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brownianMotionsaid

Ok, I will just give few example so that the discussion is just not on teachers. I am sorry if anyone got hurt due to statements on teachers. I respect teachers most.

This is based on my own experiences and few of my friends who are working at PSUs or government departments to point out the inefficient system

1. Fire Safety engineer at Bombay High - A minor fire was there. The seniors did not want to report it because it can have a negative impact on their career profile.

Result - A major fire took place few days later and my friend had to put his own life at stake to douse that fire. And yeah, they give him an award for his bravery.

2. Biometric Attendance system not working at a renowned PSU - No one to correct it so that it can reveal the truth of true attendance profile. My friend took and tried to correct it. Nothing happened.

3. The street light in my locality failed. I wrote a mail and few of locality members visited the main office. No one came to fix that light. The employee came after 20 days and asked Rs. 100 for 'chai paani'

4.  Friend travelled in a train. Asked TTE to somehow give a confirmed birth from RAC. A waiting ticket person paid 100 and got the confirmed birth

5. Poor person wanted to get date at civil court. Peshkar asked him to pay Rs. 100. Person had come on cycle from ~20 KM.

6. Friend wanted to submit his affidavit in SDM court. The peon asked him to pay 500. As per him, There were more than 100 affidavits submitted in that office that day.

This is how inefficient our things are. Privatisation may not be the solution but the current solution is rotten to the core.

AureliusMsaid

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brownianMotionsaid

"There is a reason why Indians have high hopes in government sector jobs, because it has stability, despite salary being low and working condition not upto the mark"

I beg to differ from this. The reason why Indians (most) are obsessed with government job is because it is a quick and cheap way to make money. You go to a 'Peshkar' in court, he will ask you money to put a date. An Official selling stamp of Rs 50 will charge you Rs 100 in name of 'Chai Paani'. You want to clear some dues in 'treasury office', you will have to do it by greasing the wheel. This is the truth of government service where for getting a single signature of an official, one has to take care of associates.

@AureliusMRegarding social security net, I do agree to some extent. However, Private sector also has a good social security net. The informal economy is where we are big time lacking this. And about cut throat environment, it depends on work culture of company to company. The thing is the current system in government service is not upto the mark. And, if by paying more money or due to privatisation, one can get optimum service, many will want that. People who cant afford those, there comes the duty of government to make the service affordable without compromising the quality.

@KratosOfPUBGBhai, I have seen you making personal comments. Please put your thoughts by respecting others opinion. All of us here have 'common sense' and yes, we don't use 'socio-economic' everytime. :)

The argument of cheap and quick money does not hold ground. Lakhs of students apply for post of teacher where extra source of income is almost nil. (Those who r not headmaster)

The main reason is higher pay for lower skill atleast at lower levels. For instance a driver in open market can get maximum12 k to 15k. But in public sector it may go upto 35 to 40k with many additional benefits. 

Good point of people applying for teacher where extra income is almost 'nil'.

In answer to this, I would like to highlight the issue of poor status of government schools. Even if the teacher is not earning extra, many of them are just there for passing time and chilling instead of providing education to kids. I consider this as a way of making cheap money. Because, without doing anything and being absent for long period, you are still getting full salary.

Plus, there is a lot of quid pro quo among headmasters and teachers in school admissions, mid day meal, money for purchasing clothes etc.

People have suffered enough from hands of babus. So, they themselves want to become babus and do the same. This is the sad truth :(

I have seen people asking not the expected salary for the post applied rather how much 'upper waala income' one can get from that service. Be it for peon, driver, clerk or teacher.

Generalization of teachers is not good. I have seen teachers in government schools working very diligently whatever duties are assigned to them. They are burdened with examination duties, election duties, even census works are carried on by them. The success of major government programs like MDM etc are due to the exemplary work done by thousands of teachers out there.

On the other hand there were also teachers in my private school who just came to class, read the chapters, whiled away their time, picked up their salaries and went happily to their homes. There are people like this on both sides - Government as well as private. The thing is we should not put everyone under the same blanket. 

My point was not to generalize anyone or anything. I respect all professions and teachers most.

I wanted to point out inherent inefficiency in government services everywhere, be it in Judiciary, Offices etc. Teacher point was selectively put to counter my argument.

Got it. But what exactly is inefficiency? Is it lack of profit? 

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brownianMotionsaid

Ok, I will just give few example so that the discussion is just not on teachers. I am sorry if anyone got hurt due to statements on teachers. I respect teachers most.

This is based on my own experiences and few of my friends who are working at PSUs or government departments to point out the inefficient system

1. Fire Safety engineer at Bombay High - A minor fire was there. The seniors did not want to report it because it can have a negative impact on their career profile.

Result - A major fire took place few days later and my friend had to put his own life at stake to douse that fire. And yeah, they give him an award for his bravery.

2. Biometric Attendance system not working at a renowned PSU - No one to correct it so that it can reveal the truth of true attendance profile. My friend took and tried to correct it. Nothing happened.

3. The street light in my locality failed. I wrote a mail and few of locality members visited the main office. No one came to fix that light. The employee came after 20 days and asked Rs. 100 for 'chai paani'

4.  Friend travelled in a train. Asked TTE to somehow give a confirmed birth from RAC. A waiting ticket person paid 100 and got the confirmed birth

5. Poor person wanted to get date at civil court. Peshkar asked him to pay Rs. 100. Person had come on cycle from ~20 KM.

6. Friend wanted to submit his affidavit in SDM court. The peon asked him to pay 500. As per him, There were more than 100 affidavits submitted in that office that day.

This is how inefficient our things are. Privatisation may not be the solution but the current solution is rotten to the core.

Good points. However similar inefficiencies are in the private sector too. 

1. Wanted to get my washing machine serviced. Kept complaining to the company, no response. 6 months went by. Posted on social media, bam next day guy arrives with all his tools like he would invent washing machine. 

2. People jump ahead in line in the recruitment process through referrals. I am sure that's not very efficient. 

There are many more examples similar to this. Yes a blanket privatisation is definitely not the solution. The current system should be made more efficient. 

PhilOchssaid

Anyone having trouble retaining attention in studies...? Clocking 12-14 hours during mains weeks has come down to 1-2 hours max now. Last year I wasted 3-4 months in similar situation so I can see a disaster in making but cant avert it...

History repeating itself first as tragedy and now as farce....

masteroptimistsaid

is there anyone who sleeps in the day and remains awake throughout night?

I got 99 problems but being nocturnal ain't one :p

tarun17said

Is there any free online certificate course on social/developmental issues? Pls share if anyone has an idea

Minimum fee also fine 

masteroptimistsaid

in order to prepare psychologically for impending failure in upsc cse  i steadily embraced nihilism atleast partially. we all shall die irrespective of anything. it gave me real peace but sadly also made me lethargic. i remember leaving questions in upsc because of lack of interest and fighting spirit . this carelessness and dull attitude is due to nihilism. so while nihilism is great it has it's own shortcomings.

masteroptimistsaid

in order to prepare psychologically for impending failure in upsc cse  i steadily embraced nihilism atleast partially. we all shall die irrespective of anything. it gave me real peace but sadly also made me lethargic. i remember leaving questions in upsc because of lack of interest and fighting spirit . this carelessness and dull attitude is due to nihilism. so while nihilism is great it has it's own shortcomings.

Duryodhansaid

masteroptimistsaid

in order to prepare psychologically for impending failure in upsc cse  i steadily embraced nihilism atleast partially. we all shall die irrespective of anything. it gave me real peace but sadly also made me lethargic. i remember leaving questions in upsc because of lack of interest and fighting spirit . this carelessness and dull attitude is due to nihilism. so while nihilism is great it has it's own shortcomings.

In that context,ur nick is quite interesting. 

Sorry but kal hi pdha tha -  आँख के अंधे, नाम नयनसुख. 

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Duryodhansaid

masteroptimistsaid

in order to prepare psychologically for impending failure in upsc cse  i steadily embraced nihilism atleast partially. we all shall die irrespective of anything. it gave me real peace but sadly also made me lethargic. i remember leaving questions in upsc because of lack of interest and fighting spirit . this carelessness and dull attitude is due to nihilism. so while nihilism is great it has it's own shortcomings.

In that context,ur nick is quite interesting. 

Sorry but kal hi pdha tha -  आँख के अंधे, नाम नयनसुख. 

ye kya bakwaas items padhte ho,kaam ki cheeze padho duryodhana warna phir Mahabharata me parajaya hogi😂😂😂