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Any chance of Copper smelting answer be D (1,2 and 3)?

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Guys, what about Moringa, Tamarind? What's the correct answer?

Tamarrind me kya dikkat hai?

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Pam123said

@Aurang_mirasudar how are we supposed to know that it was a mistake in exam? Doesn’t this mistake change the interpretation of the question itself? Not accusing just asking. My answer is wrong anyway


u see the key u will know..questions arent foolproof in psc including upsc....

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/sterlite-copper-smelting-plant-tuticorn-protests-5193832/

This article in no way says that co may not be released or so2 is the ‘only’ harmful pollutant that is released.

ILO comes out with health hazard manual every now and then and its categorically mentioned in that carbon monoxide is a cause of concern in copper smelting.

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atuljisaid

@Aurang_mirasudar how unfair is it if upsc is asking sahi answer mat batao beta ye batao hamare source me kya likha tha !!


Sadly this is a truth. If their source says answer is lets say ‘B’. Its ‘B’ no matter how incorrect is that.

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getting 96

considering

mitocondria (c) wrong

virus (a) wrong

state (b) wrong

concentration of wealth (d) wrong

sutlej (d) wrong

1935 act (d) wrong

cooker (d) correct

LED (a) correct

EPFO (d) correct


LED is 1,3

Usually 180 deg?.. What about the exceptions??? 


P.S. - I left this question 

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Jab International labour organisation ne apni official document me bol diya ki carbon minoxide emission is a cause of concern in copper smelting plants phir kaisa debate???
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@BhallaRobert yeah, upsc generally gives such statements correct, coz saying its "may not" release is an absolute statement and likely wrong, and while saying it "may" release keeps options open, and is likely correct.

My only confusion is wrt right to city question, almost all coaching, forum to vision gave it 1 and 2 only with reference to some sources, but an article posted here could say otherwise. Any strong idea about the right answer?


I have little idea about that question because in either case my answer would be wrong 

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Both options A and B have verbatim lifted from political theorists. 

But A is complete statement minus the part ‘states don’t necessarily need to be independent it can also be‘ nearly independent’ + It has omitted  the part that ‘Inhabitants render habitual obedience’


B has the portion ‘natural rights and means of sustenance’added on its own it has nowhere been mentioned by Bluntschli. Though he writes that state has to maintain law and order..


ab batao answer kya hoga… 




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RTC looks 2&3 and state looks ‘A’


dono gaye mere 😖

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Ok

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Do anyone have idea about ews cut off

75-77 from upsc key

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Ab as a generalist mujhe ye samjh aaya.


temperature inside pressure cooker is dependent on steam, steam is dependent on pressure.

verbatim of question and this text points to d as answer. 


May be wrong aa i scored only 50% in boards in science 😂😂

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Lets laugh on coaching answer keys 😂😂

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@Hornbill "lethal quantities" is the keyword here i guess! though i have also marked all three but lethal quantities put it in different scenerio!


Bhai ‘ may’ be use hua hai waha.. jab co poisoning is happening it may be lethal or may not be lethal.. 

U wont get a single text where it says co poisoning from copper smelting plants will absolutely not be lethal.

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GOT8said

is separate electrode same as reservation? Just asking 

The Government of India Act of 1935 extended the principal of communal representation by providing separate electorates for depressed classes (scheduled castes),womenand labour (workers). Indian Councils Act, 1909 also introduced the system of separate electorates for Muslims.



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This is what i feel the answers will be 


RTC - 2&3 ( X)

State - A (X)

carbon monoxide - D

Goi Act - B

led -1& 3 only (X)

Magnetite - D


Epfo, pressure cooker - Cant say


X - M getting them wrong 

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@BhallaRobert WHy 3 only for LED question ? 


Led are 180 degree not 360.. 


sorry i meant 1&3

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State wala question me option A and B are verbatim of political theorists.


A is of Garner and B of Bluntschli


Ab i will tell u the problem


In Option A upsc has removed the line where garner says that there has to be ‘ Habitual obedience’ from citizens


in Option B upsc has added on its own ‘ natural rights ‘ and ‘ means of sustenance’


ab dekhlo kaunsa answer hoga

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State wala question me option A and B are verbatim of political theorists.


A is of Garner and B of Bluntschli


Ab i will tell u the problem


In Option A upsc has removed the line where garner says that there has to be ‘ Habitual obedience’ from citizens


in Option B upsc has added on its own ‘ natural rights ‘ and ‘ means of sustenance’


ab dekhlo kaunsa answer hoga

No.option a is given by garner but in option b first part is by blutschli and law and order,natural rights,means of sustenance were definitions of state given by other scholars.its in a nios lesson.

As far as I know law and order was also given by bluntshli. A state has to protect natural rights google me John Locke bol raha hai.. lets see kya hoga

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Had upsc mentioned the word habitual obedience in statement A there would be no reason to debate and option A would be nailed on answer..


still A looks fav to me


- Me hoping against hop B ho jaye answer 😂😂

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A hi hoga state ka, B looks vague.


sad for me but true

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What will be the GM cut off according to you guys.


2 Questions were deleted last time but why are we assuming majority of people would get 4/4 marks in them. Generally on avg there would have been loss of 2 marks..


so in short last year effective cutoff was 94.XX


kindly guess it for this year

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I feel the same. 89+-1

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Jokarsaid

@BhallaRobert Scores were scaled to 200. So, effectively 92.57 meant 90.7 out of 196. (92.57*196/200). Thus, even if you add 2 marks cutoff would have been more or less the same. Expect it to be in the 90-92 band this year as well. 


Ok didnt know this

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@BhallaRobert i think anybody scoring 90+ with this key will sail through. 2-3 questikn will be right or wrong in upsc answer key from this one but scores will remain more or less same


Many who got 106 barely sailed through prelims last year.

I was getting 95 from vision and i got in. My final score was 92.51

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@bhuvanamalar1015412 In 2018, in this same forum blog, we were all discussing about the toughness and different pattern in the paper compared to previous years. Many were expecting the cutoff to be 90 and not more than that. But in the end the cutoff was 98. Whatever the toughness or difficultly, somehow people will get 90+ through luck or hardwork. Don’t expect cutoff to get below 90 in this competition era and decreasing amount of vacancies. If one is sure of getting less than 85, he/she should relinquish the hopes of clearing pre


Yes. But same time we saw many candidates who were scoring 110+ Last year or years before that. This time we are hardly seeing that.


Even last year the expected cutoff marks was 95 ( some claimed cutoff eill never fall below 100 and finally it was 92.51.. ) . This was when most of the elimination/tukka tricks were working. 

This year even that failed… Hardly so called tukka rules were successful  


lets see what happens this year but in no world it will go beyond 95 for me.. most probably 89-90

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@BhallaRobert i think anybody scoring 90+ with this key will sail through. 2-3 questikn will be right or wrong in upsc answer key from this one but scores will remain more or less same


Which key?

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This year I have 82.67 from vision key . EWS category. 

This wait is excruciating 
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GOT8said

@kohliwagBrother... can we add 1. copper smelting as (d) and 2. magnetite as (d) in score as per UPSC PYQ trend and answer key? -- or still these are in doubtful stage


Copper smelting is D… 

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GOT8said

@BhallaRobertsir.. high chances to get in


Hope so

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@BhallaRobert I think what upsc intended to check was, whether candidates know that most of copper ores are sulphur based and not carbonate based. And to make sure, that candidates don't take it otherwise and get confused, they consciously mentioned the word lethal amount there. This is exactly what they have done in the indus river question as well.


No offence bro but like really??? 🙂. .. Anyway 1 week to go lets wait and watch. 

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Last year there was a question on Desher katha .. Whether by desh he meant India or only bengal

The original book was downloaded and translated from Bengali to English…From there it was crystal clear that by Desh the author meant entire India

Still people here were like no desukar is wrong , me bol raha hu na desh matlab only bengal. Dosent matter whatever he wrote in book 😂😂


is saal Copper smelting and State wale q ka bi yehi haal hai 

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Bhai constitutionality Of any law/act can be heard by constitutional bench if it requires constitutional interpretation


. It dosent necessarily has to be an ‘Constitutional amendment’  only

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https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/421-constitution-bench-matters-pending-in-supreme-court-326649 


Total constitutional amendments se jyada to matters pending hai almost 4 times

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ash25said

@GOT8  needs to be seen in context of difference between Indian and British system. Only seeing it in isolation is making second statement tricky 


Yes only India is the country where this provision is there and the word ‘ Necessarily’ is not there.. then it would have ben wrong..

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@Shubz true cutoff will be in the range 92-93 ..they just need 3800 students 


They needed 4000 people last year too and that was the time when most of the tukka techniques were working..


still cutoff was 46%.

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next charcha: Right to City 1 and 2 confirmed hai ya nahi? 

Abi koi aayega wo apna logic and source deke bol dega so and so hi answer hoga…


towhat i have learnt in past few days is khud se decide karlo . Like be honest with urself..


i marked state ka B and tried my best wo sahi ho jaaye 😂😂. But then B is vague and a defn of ideal state… ab one can still be paranoid and say B is answer… 


phir unke minus 20 ho jayenge final score me


so all and all find the source and decide urself 

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@indian1234 Yes, there are 91 more disputed questions. Wait till prelims result, I am sure someone will even claim that Right to Privacy is a part of Article 19 with some random source and proof.😂



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Kisko kya right karwana hai bolo.
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To the question of mitochondrial diseases, kindly consider that Q is not talking abut mitochondrial dna but mito disease and mito. diseases can also be caused by nuclear dna which is transmitted by father too. just have a look at this govt. website    

Primary Mitochondrial Disorders Overview - GeneReviews® - NCBI Bookshelf (nih.gov) i am surprised no one except vajiram read the question carefully (sorry for giving fresh nightmares to few of my fellow aspirants, but truth must not be hidden lol)

Kya answer diya hai bhaji ram ne?

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To the question of mitochondrial diseases, kindly consider that Q is not talking abut mitochondrial dna but mito disease and mito. diseases can also be caused by nuclear dna which is transmitted by father too. just have a look at this govt. website    

Primary Mitochondrial Disorders Overview - GeneReviews® - NCBI Bookshelf (nih.gov) i am surprised no one except vajiram read the question carefully (sorry for giving fresh nightmares to few of my fellow aspirants, but truth must not be hidden lol)

Kya answer diya hai bhaji ram ne?

(A)

Vaji ne statement B wrong kiya Mrunal ne A wrong kiya… 


dono ko mila do. answer D


yeah + 2.67


#SarcasmIntended 

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Results tomorrow as said on tg by a credible source
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Godi media on telegram get it right almost all the time… Usne bola kal to kal… 
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My Convo with an aspirant ( Not serious about upsc) today


me - Kitne bane

him - 90 tak ban jayenge

Me - felt hurt ( as i am scoring only 83 from vision) , kaunsi key se bane 90?

him - bhai jyada key dekha nai idhar udhar se dekha

Me - Accha .. phir bi ek key se to milaya hoga na pura..

Him - ha bhai, lekin wo kuch kuch mera galat kar de rahe question 

me - to tumne count kaise kiya

Him - Bhai mere answer sahi hai wo alag alag key ne sahi bataya, To sab milake 90

me - aise kitne q hai

him - laghbhag, 10-12

me - okkkkk


#20NumberKamHoGaye



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there are many people like this man 


Yes. Plus even upsc key can also play spoil sport with 4-5 Q … so all in all u see this heavy increase / decrease

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LEAVING THIS PLATFORM FOR EVER


NO ONE LIKES ME HERE

Sed lyf!!

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Is it putting under the charge of prime Minister and charge under cabinet secretary is same thing??if it is same,then option 2 is correct, of it is different, then no. 2 option is wrong.

It came under charge of prime minister in 1985 not 1970

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Vision key is best this year, i have done my own research and tried to be as neutral as possible. 

Their research on keys this year is very good. I dont see more than 2-3 questions changing from their key


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@BhallaRobert which are those 2-3 questions ? 


That cant be said. What i mean is ones overall score is going to be very near to vision key.. +- 5.33

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@BhallaRobert bhai vision mere kuch sahi kara rha h jo main galat aur ulta bhi ho rha h. But vision galat niklega ye pakka


Mere lowest vision se hi aaye.. 82.67.. 


lekin jab maine individual research kiye questions pe i found ki jo mujhe bahot time spend karne ke baad pata chala they had already arrived to that point in their key.


to it felt like donkey work 

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GOT8said

@BhallaRobertChenab or Satluj ? bda confusion hai... Khullar ko man sakte hai kya.. source


Maine chor diya tha ye question. ( Thankfully)

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atuljisaid

@BhallaRobert at 82.7 how hopeful are you? Bcz I am almost same as well...considering every doubtful wrong which in my case are cooker, epf, co smelter, state definition, federal,  14vs32 and virus culture.


I am from ews category thats y i am hopeful. 


Last year i was getting 95 from vision ended up with 92.51 ..


at 82.67 in general i feel 2 (net) incorrect answers atleast have to go ur way..


Cutoff for me would be - 88-89

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Speed of light is ALWAYS same ,,, due to this I marked light year as C - लाइट travels in straight line as speed of light is different in different mediums 


Don't know what is settled opinion

Maine bi exam me yehi sochke galat kiya ki its different in different mediums. But then light bends also when it travels from one medium to other.. ( Rarer - Denser)


when u are talking about astronomical distances we consider light travels in straight line. Answer will be D (100%)

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Is it putting under the charge of prime Minister and charge under cabinet secretary is same thing??if it is same,then option 2 is correct, of it is different, then no. 2 option is wrong.

It came under charge of prime minister in 1985 not 1970

So A or D can be the answer?

Iska D hai answer… (99.9%)

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Led wale q me mujhe laga ki 360 degree hona ek light ka advantage hota hoga


so i considered statement A wrong as govt is promoting led lights, so it has to advantageous right??


Ab bahar aake pata chala ki being 360 deg is not advantageous.. there is not of energy wasted in 360 deg light. 


Sothe intention was right but execution was wrongcozlack of knowledge.Ab amazon se 360 deg light dhundke koi fayda nai.. 

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Guys getting 107 (Vision) but only 96.66 (Forum) The difference is in: Moringa, Women reservation, Cabinet Secretariat and Chenab. Which key do you guys reckon is more reliable? 

1935 act is B . 100%

Gopalaswamy is D 

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Last year result came at 8:05 pm. So lets wait
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