@SergioRamos Come to United!
Two teams that have exceeded the expectations so far in Euro are the Netherlands and Italy (especially Italy; might even see a repeat of 2012) and probably the most underwhelming team have been English (with all the hype). Why is Southgate not giving Sancho, Grealish, etc a good run?@AzadHindFauz @Jurgen_klopp @babu_bisleri @SergioRamos
Two teams that have exceeded the expectations so far in Euro are the Netherlands and Italy (especially Italy; might even see a repeat of 2012) and probably the most underwhelming team have been English (with all the hype). Why is Southgate not giving Sancho, Grealish, etc a good run?@AzadHindFauz @Jurgen_klopp @babu_bisleri @SergioRamos
Southgate is just a coward manager. He's being conservative in not giving them game time. Apparently, they are not fit for playing in such a major tournament straight away (he said). I don't understand this logic at all. Grealish carried Villa single-handedly last season. Sancho is a proven match-winner for Borussia. Had he given time to them and England performed poorly, he would have been criticized even more. That's what he must be thinking!
Sterling should sit out tonight if England wants to win this one. I think Sancho might get some game time tonight after all the criticism Southgate has been subjected to for not playing him.
totally, his logic of not considering them fit to play on the big stage is beyond me...I mean Rice and Phillips never played in europe but they are doing fine then why not Sancho? Having said that I still can't believe England have trusted their golden generation to this bloke while a certain Arsene Wenger is sitting at home :P
Two teams that have exceeded the expectations so far in Euro are the Netherlands and Italy (especially Italy; might even see a repeat of 2012) and probably the most underwhelming team have been English (with all the hype). Why is Southgate not giving Sancho, Grealish, etc a good run?@AzadHindFauz @Jurgen_klopp @babu_bisleri @SergioRamos
Yeh brilliant logic southgate ka meri samajh ke to bahar hai.
England are woefully underperforming and it is down to Coach's stubbornness. Idk what system is he trying to implement. Even Kane looks isolated at times.
yeah in last game against Scotland Kane was woefully isolated
Two teams that have exceeded the expectations so far in Euro are the Netherlands and Italy (especially Italy; might even see a repeat of 2012) and probably the most underwhelming team have been English (with all the hype). Why is Southgate not giving Sancho, Grealish, etc a good run?@AzadHindFauz @Jurgen_klopp @babu_bisleri @SergioRamos
Southgate is just a coward manager. He's being conservative in not giving them game time. Apparently, they are not fit for playing in such a major tournament straight away (he said). I don't understand this logic at all. Grealish carried Villa single-handedly last season. Sancho is a proven match-winner for Borussia. Had he given time to them and England performed poorly, he would have been criticized even more. That's what he must be thinking!
Sterling should sit out tonight if England wants to win this one. I think Sancho might get some game time tonight after all the criticism Southgate has been subjected to for not playing him.
totally, his logic of not considering them fit to play on the big stage is beyond me...I mean Rice and Phillips never played in europe but they are doing fine then why not Sancho? Having said that I still can't believe England have trusted their golden generation to this bloke while a certain Arsene Wenger is sitting at home :P
He was offered the job, but he said that an Englishman would be more suitable for the role. Clearly, he was wrong!
damnn clearly he didn't wanna be knighted :P
@KingSlayer23 english teams are very much overhyped every tournament...media gives them too much attention like its coming home........i dont think mason mount, declan rice are that much good player to start in euros where they will compete against likes of kante, pogba, wijnaldum, veratti, rodri....plus gareth southgate is too defence minded manager,there was no use of playing rice and phillips against small teams like scotland
italy was pretty much good team since mancini took over and i think they went quite under radar in qualification
well, normally we do see that defensive teams in international tournaments go all the way but what Southgate is trying to do is either too high of a tactical genius for us simpletons or simply no tactics at all :P
and about Italy... I can't believe I am rooting for them now.... I have disliked them since Euro 2012 :P but this time they are a delight to watch
@KingSlayer23 mate Portugal won the last Euro solely riding on their defence.
yeah, that's why I said that in international tournaments defensive teams do go the distance. Although it was not all about defence for Portugal, like for instance, the 3-3 game against Hungary was the big turning point in the group stage, but yeah you are right by and large their defence was a big factor for them in scrapping results against Poland and Croatia
Am I wrong to think that this group stage is far more exciting than what we have had at previous major tournaments? Is it because of the formats(4 3rd placed teams going through)?
yeah the format makes it interesting...it was the same case in Euro 2016 too especially the group with Hungary and Portugal
@SergioRamos They might still all go through
All?
I meant all three of France, Germany and Portugal
don't sleep on hungary
What's wrong with Spain these days? They try to play tiki-taka but now they don't have the players for it so it just looks like boring, uninspired possession football.And as I say it they put up a smashing performance :)
Honestly I always found them boring :P even in 2010-2012 period…ball leke nachte rehte the bas …Germans were much more of a watchable team
baaaaaaaaaad move....will reduce excitement of knockout stages. Better to do away with two legs anyway
manchester city have bid 100 million for grealish ..plus they are ready to pay 100million plus player for kane.......seems like covid financial crisis didnt hit manchester city.....ffp rules now look completely uselessA good case on why Super League needs to come into place?
Clubs need ways to better financial health in the current UEFA structure true...but seriously Super league is something that feels terribly wrong for football in general...Anyway... a huge sigh of relief for us United fans...Fabrizio Romano tweeted that city has opened no bid for Grealish yet because the club's board feels it will be impracticable to sign both Kane and Grealish
@Jurgen_klopp Only 9:30 kick offs for now. Will watch the semis and the finals.
same
@KingSlayer23 what a match ...3-3
I knew there were more goals in this one but this was just plain crazy! Also france crashes out! What a tournament it is…world champion gone, defending champion gone, world cup runners up gone…IT IS COMING HOME
Best video from yesterday
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1409620060725985281
Football bloody hell
Also, I really love how Pickford becomes prime Lev Yashin in English shirt
Bringing on Emre Can when you desperately need a goal is peak Löw. At least that’s what the unforgiving internet believes.I for one don’t think Germany were that bad. They did create better chances in the 1st half and had that Muller chance been converted it might be a different story altogether. In the end it was their most suspect position that let them down, their central defence.I do hate how Southgate plays so defensively and still churns out results. I mean, he gets the job done but give me my dose of fast, breathtaking attacking plays dammit!The football fan inside me has been absolutely spoiled with what happened yesterday :|
Bruhh you mean Tho-miss Muller :P
also…..Southgate is peak English football…. It was exactly like it used to be playing Stoke on a cold December night or rather how it is now playing Burnley late in the season. Get a low block scarp out results and a pretty good result they did get today
@KingSlayer23 yeah sancho would be good transfer for united...plus arsenal are also buying very smartly....grealish and kane one of them would be at city from this season....every top 4 contender is getting strong apart from liverpool
Liverpool with their players fit is anyway a threat to everyone…can’t see Grealish in a city shirt🥺🥺
this tournament must have been some serious shiz....Greece emerging winners in the end. That England Portugal game was also real cracker with tussle between ROnaldo and Rooney.
@KingSlayer23 probably? Mate he’s already scored!
Yeah well 😂
@SergioRamos gonna enjoy defending against farmers next season :P
@SergioRamos is going to beat the crap out of people who foul Neymar! :P
Lmao
There will be a brawl for penalty duties too :P
@SergioRamos gonna enjoy defending against farmers next season :P
Ungrateful Madrid supporters be like -
They will sign one big CB definitely….Alba is there already who can play CB easily but i think one big signing is due from Madrid…we know how big Perez’s ego is he will be itching to get another galactico like signing. VVD anyone? 👀
btw looks like Arsenal are going for the big catch with Lacotelli@AzadHindFauz @Arsene
@KingSlayer23 Most probably MBAPPE......some are saying he is not signing contract extension .....lets see.....i hope he chooses liverpool(his fav team in fifa) over Madrid
damnn I hope that never happens lol :P btw do Liverpool have funds to afford mbappe?
All football fans here ..what do you think are main issues holding Indian football team to qualify for World cup ....or any 1 player from ISL from joining clubs even smaller in europe(PL,LALIGA,BUNDESLIGA)....
I recently watched INDIA VS IRAN where gurpreet singh was playing next level, plus recently one more player brandon fernandes has played brilliantly. I think players like them can easily play for smaller clubs ...what do you guys think?
Iain Hume once said-Indians are physically as good as anyone, technically as good as anyone but tactically they are far behind than others
@necromancer in attack bruno fernandes was also bad...
Yeah but Santos deployed him in a wider role rathe than his preferred secondary striker or CAM where he performed all season. To me Portugal’s debacle was more tactical rather than anything else , Santos simply can’t handle this much talent. I really wish they had hired Mourinho before the Euros
@KingSlayer23 jose mourinho will still criticize him.....
lmao, he literally dropped this performance in Rome, a day after Jose landed there :P I can bet on the life of Cersei that he suffered a stroke last night after the second assist
In all seriousness Maguire - Shaw is the best CB_LB partnership in prem, If we get varane too and one proper CDM to unlock the French national version of Pogba...I might just pin my hopes for league title this seasonYou're forgetting one key ingredient - the manager. I have absolutely zero faith in Solskjaer to deliver trophies. His in-game management in crunch situations is appalling. Give this squad to a top manager like Conte or Allegri or Zidane and we'll instantly challenge for PL and CL.
This is something that I’ve been saying to my friends for a while now and totally agree with you especially after EL final but then last league season his man management did show promise so let’s give him a bit of benefit of doubt, the current system is of his making and changing manager will throw away all the progress. This season will be his make or break season especially after the backing he is getting from board
@KingSlayer23 robert lewandowski....
I think last year was his absolutely with the sextuple but the French didn’t do ballon dor
@KingSlayer23 kasper bwoy said "has it ever been home"
jis thali meh roti khata usme hi ched krr rha
😂😂😂 I am getting major upset vibes for today’s game already
@KingSlayer23 italy vs england would be a good final,,,
italy vs denmark would be one sided .....moreover i think england will win easily tonight....kane hattrick incoming
It's happening!
Pasta vs Shepherd pie in Finals
Shocking WC 50 years ago. But its not surprising. They won 2019 cricket WC through a weird rule. And yesterday, I felt bad for Denmark. Definitely, not a penalty and Arsene Wenger says so :P
Yeah that’s true but then England have been on the adverse side of many such decisions in post too…so i guess universe is balancing its entropy :P
The only thing left for Messi is to do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke :p
Someone(Man City) get him to the PL please.
PSG or Man City better be coming. Barca sadly doesn't have the money, team environment or vision to do justice to Messi anymore. Bartemou really left us in a very bad place.
The last thing Messi would do is to play alongside Icardi. City should go for it. Messi, Pep, KDB combination would be brutal.
You really wanna see 🐐 to get his nose rubbed to ground by slabhead in Manchester derby ? 😂
@MikeWozniak he wants to leave idk why Levy is busting his balls
Levy has dragged Spurs from being irrelevant to being in a CL final, regularly challenging for Top 4 and finishing above Arsenal for almost every season recently by being a ball-buster. No way he's changing. He's also not going to sell Kane to a PL club without making them pay over the top and Kane's not going to train until he gets his move. It's going to be tasty!
Kane has missed another training session, I feel this is ungentlemanly behaviour by the club since the player rather openly made his decision (also the captain). It will ruin the locker room for them.
Also what do you think are our realistic chances in getting a proper CDM this window?
@MikeWozniak he wants to leave idk why Levy is busting his balls
Levy has dragged Spurs from being irrelevant to being in a CL final, regularly challenging for Top 4 and finishing above Arsenal for almost every season recently by being a ball-buster. No way he's changing. He's also not going to sell Kane to a PL club without making them pay over the top and Kane's not going to train until he gets his move. It's going to be tasty!
Kane has missed another training session, I feel this is ungentlemanly behaviour by the club since the player rather openly made his decision (also the captain). It will ruin the locker room for them.
Also what do you think are our realistic chances in getting a proper CDM this window?
I kinda disagree here. Only one who's ungentlemanly here is Kane. He's under contract with Spurs, he doesn't have a release clause so Spurs are under no obligation to sell him, and it is his duty to report for training. Grealish has been training with Villa since Monday, and his deal is almost close to completion whereas City haven't even sent a proper bid to Spurs.
As for CDM, there are not many around and those who we've been linked with (Camavinga, Saul, Goretzka) are all B2B midfielders so my hopes are not high. Looks like another season of McFred double pivot :'(
Damnn…that double pivot Mcfred. It’ll be better to cash in on pogba this window only then, because he needs someone like Kante to fully utilise his offensive game. It would be good for finances and we might be able to strengthen some other position
@KingSlayer23 nah he's going to PSG. Pep will just have to make do with 100-million Grealish and 150-million Kane. Poor guy. Barely get to improve his already small squad.
crackhead has squad depth deeper than the god forsaken Mariana trench
Man is 20% done into equalling PL assist record after playing just 68 minutes 👀 SURE AS HELL WE ARE!
Tactical poverty
lol never thought of it that way, but yeah! How many ready for match tmrw? I am literally dying to watch it but gotta prep for Mains!So ole used Conte's 3 at back-formation to beat spurs and get Nuno sacked and take conte off the market to secure his own job. I have never seen such 4D chess machination before. The man is bulletproof. Probably second only to Itachi Uchiha in terms of IQ.
same, will try to get more work done before kick-off, although I am getting a bad feeling about the match
Though I know some of us are busy preparing for mains and also this is football related thread, I can’t help myself but to express my excitement on how this F1 season has turned out to be. Lately F1 has become very boring with Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton dominating year after year. But I have been following only these past 5-6 races and wow what a thrilling season this has turned out to be.
I hope Max does win this weekend. He has been phenomenal this season. He deserves the championship for the consistency he has shown over these past few years. There are shades of Senna and Schumacher with his aggressive attitude and “crash or yield” driving style.(I do agree he went bit too far in Saudi GP) And not to mention his immense control behind the wheel. What a grip this guy has.
Lets hope we have a great finale (and a safe one too)
Drive to survive will be a box office this season
Though I know some of us are busy preparing for mains and also this is football related thread, I can’t help myself but to express my excitement on how this F1 season has turned out to be. Lately F1 has become very boring with Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton dominating year after year. But I have been following only these past 5-6 races and wow what a thrilling season this has turned out to be.
I hope Max does win this weekend. He has been phenomenal this season. He deserves the championship for the consistency he has shown over these past few years. There are shades of Senna and Schumacher with his aggressive attitude and “crash or yield” driving style.(I do agree he went bit too far in Saudi GP) And not to mention his immense control behind the wheel. What a grip this guy has.
Lets hope we have a great finale (and a safe one too)
Drive to survive will be a box office this season
haha yea! But I’m very astonished to see the way they portray Max in DTS, particularly his relationship with Ricciardo.
I think he won’t feature in DTS as he said he will boycott them.
I’ll be honest…I had completely stopped watching F1 after Indian GP was removed from calendar. My interest in this sport was purely re ignited because of DTS and I actually made a very negative perception about Max because of this. Turns out he is a pretty solid lad
All, what is your Top-4 PL prediction ?City
Liverpool
Chelsea
Arsenal/West ham
West Ham is doing quite well. Just not consistently though, and squad depth is an issue for them. But Moyes has done really fantastic job. Just remembered it now, he was Manutd manager. Think that club has much deeper problems than just a manager.
Unpopular opinion- SAF didn’t leave behind a sustainable winning team, just made sure he won with whatever players he had at his disposal.
Also I personally think they shouldn’t have bought Ronaldo as they were doing perfectly fine and it was more of emotional buy and kind of disturbed the harmony.
If west ham can get Lingard in this window then it’ll be a boost for them…lingard wants to leave as well so yeah that’s possible. Also Moyes would have been the favourite to get United job next summer had not been a failure in his earlier spell. Although i do feel that he got neither enough backing nor enough time but that’s a different story.
United have a much deeper problem than just a managerial issue. For instance for far too long Ed Woodward with 0 footballing knowledge was at helm of footballing affairs, only very recently he delegated power and appinted a director of football and a technical director. I’m big fan of Juve and Bayern in the aspect…they have pavel nadved and oliver kahn at CEOs respectively which shows the character of club. Ragnick is trying to re build a character that had been missing from this club and in long term i think it is very good idea that they have offered him a powerful role in the board. At the moment though it’ll be a massive challenge to salvage this season.
And about Ronaldo…well look we have to acknowledge that last season the side was good but it was lacking a cutting edge in big games. Look how they crashed out of UCL after being top of thier group in 4 games. Ronaldo adds that predator mentality and without his goals this side would be bottom of ucl and probably 14-15 in PL. The major error in recruitment last season was prioritising Donny over a pure DMF which has been a major flaw in the shape of this team.
@KingSlayer23 Yea totally and without having to worry about tests that we would have to write on weekends.
Yesss
hopefully United beats west ham and makes the top 4 scenario more interesting. Although ronaldo is doubtful with an injury
@KingSlayer23 Yea totally and without having to worry about tests that we would have to write on weekends.
Yesss
hopefully United beats west ham and makes the top 4 scenario more interesting. Although ronaldo is doubtful with an injury
Damnn….I should have said ki I wish interview call aa jaaye 😂✌🏻
@KingSlayer23 Lol, Just one weekend already.My take:
Arsenal was on course for easy top 4 (3rd place was doable too) had we not messed up this transfer window.
Honestly United, Spurs arent there yet. Majority of the points that these clubs have scored in PL were won with margin and that is not sustainable in long run. For spurs, they are just one player injury(Kane) away from massive decline in performance.Arsenal, on the other hand, except for rare cases, have been quite dominant in their wins but unfortunately we have been on the losing side of the margin.I dont need to look at points, I just look at the game. In 2 years time, I can see Arsenal challenging City and Liverpool would be back to fighting for top 4 spot. Manutd too can challenge but that wont be possible if they dont do structural revamp like Arteta did. Chelsea are heavily reliant on few players like Kante and in recent games he looked to be slow and their striker problems seem to be a perennial one.PS: I could be wrong though. Anyway lets see what the table looks like in May.
The reason I changed the prediction is because :
1. United doesn’t have a structural issue while Chelsea’s offence is largely totally missing and spurs have thin squad depth. United have neither.
2. United’s main issue have been man management and a tactical transition. For instance after Ralf’s arrival first two games were pretty decent and then suddenly covid hit and there was a 14 day gap after which next 2-3 games were largely underwhelming because of rusty players and difficulty in adopting new tactics. However since then there have been signs of improvement e.g. Bruno Fernandes back in form with direct involvement in 5 goals in 3 games, Fred is also doing much better in distributing the ball, Dalot is turning out to be pretty much of a revelation in his position. Etc
3. A game like the one against West ham can be a massive boost for mentality of players. Look last season they started abysmally but that one game where they came back from 0-2 down to win 3-2 against southampton changed the dynamic of the team and they finished 2nd. They don’t need to dominate the games, results can be built by scrapping wins in tight spots too which I feel this team has the potential to do.
4. Another factor is some of the underperforming players have finally started to perform which gives me a lot of hope. Further unlike last season there is no issue of some players being burnt out due to excessive play time which actually cost them the Europa league final
Does anyone else feel Arsenal are driven a lot by emotions and mentality instead of the quality of the players?
Certainly you need to have a minimum requisite ability, but after that on different match days the team performs starkly different not because of the players or the tactical setup but their mentality.
A decently good squad against Nottingham, poor gameplay because the players didn’t seem up to it. A depleted squad against Liverpool 4 days later, went down to 10 men and churned out an exceptional performance. Same story against City, despite not having anywhere the same level of excellence they gave City a run for their money.
Tottenham game, at home, important match, churned out a great 1st half display. United game, very important, hadn’t won at Old Trafford since several years, United in a poor form, recently sacked their manager, went 1-0 up with a near fluke and then eventually lost. For most of the game it felt like Arsenal didn’t believe in themselves, I believe a win at OT wasn’t out of the reach if only they weren’t scared(?).
Everton game, possibly the worst performance in the league this season. A very winnable game lost due to mental complacency.
A lot of the Arsenal players are just not right in the head. There seems to be a clear void of leadership. I like Xhaka but he’s not going to become captain anytime soon, plus he’s a very polarising figure so maybe it won’t happen again at all. Apart from him, mentally strong individuals are in short supply here at Arsenal.
At one time I was growing in confidence about a top 4 finish but recent results and developments have ended that optimism. Nothing short of a near miracle can ensure a ‘good’ transfer window. Haven’t plugged the midfield gap, still don’t have a striker, don’t have a decent backup for Tomi.
The Vlahovic saga was pretty embarrassing and now unless Edu does a deadline day Wenger, Arsenal would definitely miss top 4, an omission of their own making entirely.
Arsenal does have a squad problem exacerbated with a mentality issue. Further on top of it the deficiency of a pull factor (Vlahovic saga) and you may or may not agree but Arteta is not the long term solution, he is in the same league as OGS and/or Lampard(Yes, despite the FA cup and CS success) and eventually, I think Arsenal will remove him to have a better competitive chance. Apart from this yes definitely a leader is needed in the dressing room.
@KingSlayer23 I thought United fans would be quite familiar with his ‘quality’ :PLukaku was always hyped to be in the league of top strikers. I don’t think he is at that level or if he would ever get to that level. A striker who demands a very specific playing style can’t ever be one of the best. Benzema has versatility, Lewa has versatility, Lukaku can’t even get his first touch right. He’s majorly a bully striker who isn’t even clinical.Chelsea’s striker woes seem to be never ending, not that I’m complaining :P
Lukaku was decent under Mourinho but OGS shifted to a style where he was not supposed to play purely a striker and rather an inside forward. Anyway, He is more of a player with attributes in getting behind the defenders as was used by Conte but the way he is struggling this bad is actually shocking.
@KingSlayer23 I disagree on Arteta. Sure he isn’t a Guardiola, Klopp or Conte but he certainly isn’t in the league of OGS (can’t say much about Lampard, haven’t watched his teams enough)Arteta certainly has tactical nous and his style is distinctly visible in the team now. OGS wasn’t ever tactically excellent and he also lacked the requisite coaching competence (as corroborated by sources inside the club)Right now it’s more of if the club can support the manager with signings he wants because he’s the first manager in the last 5-6 years at Arsenal who’s atleast given a good competition to top clubs.
Look, OGS did a lot of good despite the shortcomings of the coaching staff, the team Mourinho left behind had become highly dysfunctional and the way he revived the team last season in Prem was commendable (especially after the abysmal start and that 1-6 hammering). Everyone is entitled to their opinion so I can't say you are wrong but I don't think one can reach the final of the Europa league or score 9 goals in one PL game or defeat Guardiola 3 times a season, etc, etc. without distinct tactical clarity. He had a playing style but he didn't have the cutting edge coaching ability to win trophies.
Personally, I would not mind if Arsenal continues with Arteta for several years :P
Arsenal does have a squad problem exacerbated with a mentality issue. Further on top of it the deficiency of a pull factor (Vlahovic saga) and you may or may not agree but Arteta is not the long term solution, he is in the same league as OGS and/or Lampard(Yes, despite the FA cup and CS success) and eventually, I think Arsenal will remove him to have a better competitive chance. Apart from this yes definitely a leader is needed in the dressing room.
I was a huge critic of Arteta, but thats from my limited understanding of game from tactical perspective. Since last season, I have paid attention to tactical aspects of his game (despite being football player in college) and I am still to fully grasp them. Now I am starting to realise why he is so rated well and why he is best bet for Arsenal long term ( thought I personnally believe he will replace Pep - yes, he's that good). You seriously cannot compare with OGS and Lampard from tactical perspective. To be honest I was big Lampard fan but he has been a huge disappointment. Lampard may be good in man management but thats only one aspect of it. I hope he has learnt his mistakes and does well in Everton.
OGS is definitely better than Lampard but surely not at Arteta's level. He has been clueless sometimes, or maybe I wasnt that proficient enough to grasp it fully. Anyway, he did relatively okay but I believe ManUtd have supported him and spent well on transfers.
I feel league competition truly tests your team's ability from all aspects. And cup competition tests your managers tactical intelligence. Mou, Tuchel, Diego Simeone are brilliant in this and thats why you would see them winning CL games frequently despite having weaker squad. Pep, Klopp, SAF, Wenger (initial years) were amazing squad builders and you can see them winning league frequently.
Arteta was initially emphasising on tactics, and he did well by winning FA cup, reaching UEL semis, but he has been quite poor in squad building initially and thats where Arsenal did so bad in PL in last 2 seasons. He has seemed to realise this and Arsenal have been diverting their focus to long term goal of league win and results are there to see in the first half of this season. But again this transfer window has been a big mess. So maybe next season. I dont know.But I fully agree with you that Arsenal lacks a good squad and a leader but thats ok because many of our players are quite young.
Anyway I would just wait for couple of years, and see if I am wrong completely right or wrong about Arteta.
Lot of people rate tactically arteta.. which is all fine given that he is from guardiola school of management. But tell me one thing..what is the point of tactical prowess if you finish 8th in the league for 2 consecutive seasons? OGS in my opinion should not have been given a long term contract in first place but he still finished 2nd and 3rd and secured UCL for consecutive seasons. In my opinion that does count for something plus in last season till January United were pretty much in the title race. Which manager of Arsenal has even done this much since Don Wengz?
I’m not even saying that OGS was a great manager (in my opinion in fact he was nowhere near United class) but I see absolutely no point when people rate him even lower than lampard and Arteta. But anyway only time will tell what Arsenal can produce in long term under him, from what I’ve seen in last 6-7 years I don’t think the board will back him for long. Those days are gone when managers used to have several seasons before pressure started piling.
@KingSlayer23 I disagree on Arteta. Sure he isn’t a Guardiola, Klopp or Conte but he certainly isn’t in the league of OGS (can’t say much about Lampard, haven’t watched his teams enough)Arteta certainly has tactical nous and his style is distinctly visible in the team now. OGS wasn’t ever tactically excellent and he also lacked the requisite coaching competence (as corroborated by sources inside the club)Right now it’s more of if the club can support the manager with signings he wants because he’s the first manager in the last 5-6 years at Arsenal who’s atleast given a good competition to top clubs.
Look, OGS did a lot of good despite the shortcomings of the coaching staff, the team Mourinho left behind had become highly dysfunctional and the way he revived the team last season in Prem was commendable (especially after the abysmal start and that 1-6 hammering). Everyone is entitled to their opinion so I can't say you are wrong but I don't think one can reach the final of the Europa league or score 9 goals in one PL game or defeat Guardiola 3 times a season, etc, etc. without distinct tactical clarity. He had a playing style but he didn't have the cutting edge coaching ability to win trophies.
Personally, I would not mind if Arsenal continues with Arteta for several years :P
Mate I don’t think you got what I’m saying. I mean OGS isn’t tactically ‘excellent’. He definitely knows his stuff which helps in getting the results you’ve mentioned. But at the same time he also oversaw some pretty pathetic games. Sometimes it’s weird seeing so many United fans defend OGS despite him clearly not being enough. I’m not even talking about things from a results perspective. If you look at results, Arteta due to his 8th place finishes shouldn’t have a job. I tend to view things in context, so even if Emery had better or similar results compared to Arteta, with him the team wasn’t on any well defined path.
OGS always gave me some Wenger vibes. On days the players clicked, they produced some excellent free flowing football. However with how modern day football is, Wenger wasn’t able to replicate his earlier success and couldn’t sustain his brand of football since it requires the young hunger, innocence etc in the players. Idk if this makes any sense but in OGS and Wenger, I see an attitude of keeping football a ‘beautiful game’ instead of the tactical intricacy it has become nowadays.
United under Ole had a well established squad and I believe he should have delivered much better results. If I remember correctly, he did oversee that game against PSG. Compared to that game, in 2021 his squad didn’t have a visible identity, it was the same overall. As much as I hate United, they didn’t progress under OGS. With Arteta, despite what a lot of people think, there’s a stark change in how Arsenal played in the win against City (2020, FA cup) and the loss against City recently. Despite losing, they actually took the game to City and dominated for a lot of the game. Arsenal currently have the youngest squad in the league, there are serious depth and positional problems and despite this, he’s got the team playing some structured football again.
Ultimately football is a business and it’s the fine margins that will decide the future of managers so I’m not too attached. You may feel my opinion about OGS and Arteta is wrong but it’s not just my own belief. I trust the word of people who’ve been in this game for years when they say how tactically adept someone is. I watch almost all United and Arsenal games, even when exams are near :P plus I try to be as free from bias as I can be.
I’ll judge Arteta when he has a complete squad at his disposal which will definitely take another summer transfer window. On the same note, I hope Rangnick doesn’t move upstairs and continues his manager role at United :P
Like I said in the last comment: if you all think that Arsenal is making incremental development under Arteta and are on a well defined path then yeah he must be doing the right thing.
i do not defend OGS, in my opinion he was never a United class manager ( I personally wanted either Enrique or Tuchel in 2019) but I give him credit where it is due. Mourinho left a dysfunctional squad with plenty of deadwood, OGS did some okay recruitment and some very good recruitment and managed to secure UCL consecutively.Now, It was clearly not enough because each season it was like beginning from scratch and trophies were not coming.
Lastly, I love how everyone is so enamoured with United not improving that they are all jumping at Rangnick not doing well in first 4-5 games 😂
I would have no issues with him continuing as manager next season and even in long run.
Kulusevski + Bentacur wow
Fabio Patrici means business
Luis Diaz + (potentially) Fabio Carvalho to liverpool
top recruitment again
@KingSlayer23 That I think is because of the potential the England team has. They have one of the best squads. But Alas we all know they will never win😂
True, they have definitely some above average individual talent but as a team heavily underperforming
Lets revive this thread as world cup is coming.
Which team are you supporting guys ?For me i just hope that any one from messi or ronaldo wins this time, which is tough tbh...!!!!!
Brazil looks most balanced right now but Argentina can turn up the heat anytime with that little man going on rampage...However I am rooting for dutch right now
