Mains 2021 Result declared - In or Out?
So Mains 2021 has begun. Essay Paper is here
1. https://blog.forumias.com/upsc-ias-mains-2021-essay-question-paper/
2. GS Paper 1 : https://blog.forumias.com/download-upsc-ias-mains-2021-gs-1-question-paper
3. GS Paper 2 : https://blog.forumias.com/download-upsc-ias-mains-2021-gs-2-question-paper
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@Dip PIB, Film festival directorate come under IIS na. I personally like it, why are people so unhappy ?
Not many good posts. After a while, no promotion. Publications division of govt is a boring thing (think of India year book level boring). Besides, artists hate bureaucracy and you alone won't be able to change it. So, even if you become head of FTII or something like that, it may not be a very comfortable experience.
Akkku,
Wat was the issue wrt preferences?
Filled up IIS at top so got allotted. Baad mein pata chala it is a candidate of 18th-19th preference order. Spoke to some serving officers who were not happy too.
So, definitely not IIS. And Audit, defence estate, postal before this.
IIS is considered a bad service. No proper promotions, no powerful posts. BTW, don't agree with putting Defence Estates service on top. It's a poor service. You may get a nice house in the beginning (and may be a car too), but that's about it. Promotions are bad and you don't wield any power. I myself had put it on sixth place, after seeing someone's blog post, but luckily didn't get it.
Got to know when it was too late.
Defence estate for tag of CEO early in career, administrative nature of work and good defence infrastructure. But as you said about promotion, it'll remain CEO for many years. Don't have much idea beyond this.
Once the results are out, let us again discuss the preferences based on our experience and knowledge. it'll help those filling DAF II to make an informed choice.
Akkku,
Bhai order bata to kaise rehni chahiye after top five services, jiska mains hoga uske lie helpful rahega.
Depends on the following:
1.Your home state (if you want posted there, the service needs to have multiple offices in that state. Some services like railways, defence accounts have offices all over India, while some like ICAS is almost Delhi centric)
2. "Age" of the service: older the service, the better. That's because basic infrastructure will already be there (quarters, guest houses, good enough offices etc). For newer services (like ICLS), almost nothing will be there, and you will have to put in the effort and get things done from the scratch.
3. "Power" the service wields: after the top five, unfortunately services are rare in which you could do things. IRTS was considered a powerful service (but nothing can be said of the new IRMS, it's a risky choice as no details are known about the service). Accounts services will always have some power as the general dictum works well here too (those who control money will have power). IDAS is good, but ICAS not that much (Delhi centric, plus don't have Financial Advisor posts). IPTAFS isn't that good (though they like to say it is).
4. Services I consider bad are: AFHQ, RPF, ICLS(one of the newest services), ITS, Defence Estates service.
RaGa,Bhai order bata to kaise rehni chahiye after top five services, jiska mains hoga uske lie helpful rahega.
Depends on the following:
1.Your home state (if you want posted there, the service needs to have multiple offices in that state. Some services like railways, defence accounts have offices all over India, while some like ICAS is almost Delhi centric)
2. "Age" of the service: older the service, the better. That's because basic infrastructure will already be there (quarters, guest houses, good enough offices etc). For newer services (like ICLS), almost nothing will be there, and you will have to put in the effort and get things done from the scratch.
3. "Power" the service wields: after the top five, unfortunately services are rare in which you could do things. IRTS was considered a powerful service (but nothing can be said of the new IRMS, it's a risky choice as no details are known about the service). Accounts services will always have some power as the general dictum works well here too (those who control money will have power). IDAS is good, but ICAS not that much (Delhi centric, plus don't have Financial Advisor posts). IPTAFS isn't that good (though they like to say it is).
4. Services I consider bad are: AFHQ, RPF, ICLS(one of the newest services), ITS, Defence Estates service.
All the above are subject to "structural" changes, which depends a lot on the government. The present government isn't Pro-bureaucracy. Many services may even disappear from the list (already IOFS, an overcrowded and bad service, has disappeared. Railways services, once considered good, after IRMS, nobody knows, as IRMS will put engineers and CSE guys on equal footing. Similarly govt can decide to combine all accounts services together and create one common accounts service).
RaGa,The only two services, which won't see any reduction in power, in my opinion are the IPS and IA&AS. IPS, because police is a necessary evil, and "powerful leaders"(who are on the rise all over India) like to keep police on their side.IPS will see an increase in power in the future.
IA&AS will remain the same, as it's the only service in the list which has some kind of constitutional backing (CAG), and if their powers are reduced, will result in huge political furore.
plmokn25688524,RaGaThe only two services, which won't see any reduction in power, in my opinion are the IPS and IA&AS. IPS, because police is a necessary evil, and "powerful leaders"(who are on the rise all over India) like to keep police on their side.IPS will see an increase in power in the future.
IA&AS will remain the same, as it's the only service in the list which has some kind of constitutional backing (CAG), and if their powers are reduced, will result in huge political furore.
IA&AS is a powerful post..
Nice try dude..
First time heard that..
Nobody cares about them btw..
They keep looking for some calculation mistakes in accounts books.. but guess what..due to digitization that scope has ended..
All they get is chai nashta lunch from the pocket of staff members of the office where they audit ..that is all
I read in a YouTube comment that IRS(IT) is also losing charm due to face less tax assessment...i dont know.. someone please shed some light on this hypothesis.
It's true. They, as a service had become too powerful. So much so, that I heard they began harassing even top IAS and politicians using the data in their hands and get things done. In short, became a Mafia😅 (in customs too, this exists, as demonstrated by Mr Wankhede).
Earlier, the local raid teams could harass and blackmail local powerful people, as they themselves used to decide on whom to investigate and then raid. But after the faceless assessment reform, let's say you're an IT officer in Mumbai, but you won't get to investigate returns of a Mumbai business magnate, instead you will have to investigate someone's return randomly chosen by system (he may be in Kolkata or Cochin). Thus, the reform eliminated the arbitrary power of the local officer. A very good move (but heard there exists still many loopholes).
GaryVee,plmokn25688524
The only two services, which won't see any reduction in power, in my opinion are the IPS and IA&AS. IPS, because police is a necessary evil, and "powerful leaders"(who are on the rise all over India) like to keep police on their side.IPS will see an increase in power in the future.
IA&AS will remain the same, as it's the only service in the list which has some kind of constitutional backing (CAG), and if their powers are reduced, will result in huge political furore.
IA&AS is a powerful post..
Nice try dude..
First time heard that..
Nobody cares about them btw..
They keep looking for some calculation mistakes in accounts books.. but guess what..due to digitization that scope has ended..
All they get is chai nashta lunch from the pocket of staff members of the office where they audit ..that is all
IA&AS is one of the most powerful services out there. Once they write something on a file, even a minister will be in trouble. Everyone are afraid of them.
"Nice try dude"?? 😁
Don't put it then, simple. Whatever I wrote above are my opinions, based on my own experience in service. If you don't like it, don't take it (I deleted my comment because that IPS part has a predictive character).
plmokn25688524,Thanks@Philip_Marlowe and@HankShrader for that
Philip_Marlowe,The only two services, which won't see any reduction in power, in my opinion are the IPS and IA&AS. IPS, because police is a necessary evil, and "powerful leaders"(who are on the rise all over India) like to keep police on their side.IPS will see an increase in power in the future.
IA&AS will remain the same, as it's the only service in the list which has some kind of constitutional backing (CAG), and if their powers are reduced, will result in huge political furore.
IA&AS is a powerful post..
Nice try dude..
First time heard that..
Nobody cares about them btw..
They keep looking for some calculation mistakes in accounts books.. but guess what..due to digitization that scope has ended..
All they get is chai nashta lunch from the pocket of staff members of the office where they audit ..that is all
System audit can't replace human audit, unless the AI becomes powerful enough. System can throw out the discrepancies in numbers, but it requires a human to make sense of it and arrive at good conclusions.
The only two services, which won't see any reduction in power, in my opinion are the IPS and IA&AS. IPS, because police is a necessary evil, and "powerful leaders"(who are on the rise all over India) like to keep police on their side.IPS will see an increase in power in the future.
IA&AS will remain the same, as it's the only service in the list which has some kind of constitutional backing (CAG), and if their powers are reduced, will result in huge political furore.
IA&AS is a powerful post..
Nice try dude..
First time heard that..
Nobody cares about them btw..
They keep looking for some calculation mistakes in accounts books.. but guess what..due to digitization that scope has ended..
All they get is chai nashta lunch from the pocket of staff members of the office where they audit ..that is all
System audit can't replace human audit, unless the AI becomes powerful enough. System can throw out the discrepancies in numbers, but it requires a human to make sense of it and arrive at good conclusions.
Bhai IAAS ka main benefit is just fast promotions. Rest itna koi audit ka power nahi hota bas thodi nuisance value hai wo bhi bohot jyada nahi hai. People in field are well aware of rules so audit doesn't scare them much.
plmokn25688524,By the way..
Those claiming to have not joined the services after getting recommended are quiet about sharing the marks they scored..
Only talk about the posts.. because sharing marks will expose them..just like DKT
Ab itna bhi koi asambhav kaam nahi hai service mein select hokar join na karna. Agar koi already state PCS mein hai to IAAS k neeche ki service ko join karne mein jyada sense hai nahi. Aur ye "koi bhi service mil jaae" waali feeling bas rank na aane tak rehti hai. Jin din IIS/ICLS/IPTAFS type kuch join kar loge to day 1 se galiyan doge service ko aur bahar nikalne ka jugaad dhundhne lagoge.
The only two services, which won't see any reduction in power, in my opinion are the IPS and IA&AS. IPS, because police is a necessary evil, and "powerful leaders"(who are on the rise all over India) like to keep police on their side.IPS will see an increase in power in the future.
IA&AS will remain the same, as it's the only service in the list which has some kind of constitutional backing (CAG), and if their powers are reduced, will result in huge political furore.
IA&AS is a powerful post..
Nice try dude..
First time heard that..
Nobody cares about them btw..
They keep looking for some calculation mistakes in accounts books.. but guess what..due to digitization that scope has ended..
All they get is chai nashta lunch from the pocket of staff members of the office where they audit ..that is all
System audit can't replace human audit, unless the AI becomes powerful enough. System can throw out the discrepancies in numbers, but it requires a human to make sense of it and arrive at good conclusions.
Bhai IAAS ka main benefit is just fast promotions. Rest itna koi audit ka power nahi hota bas thodi nuisance value hai wo bhi bohot jyada nahi hai. People in field are well aware of rules so audit doesn't scare them much.
I don't think so. Everyone in government are afraid of "audit guys". People make sure that they are given the best vehicles, accommodation, liquor (and money too) etc, so that nothing bad gets written about them on file. So many rules are out there, and so much interpretation that it doesn't matter even if you're 100% honest; and in govt, so many are corrupt.
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