I somehow strongly feel that UPSC is not going to postpone if the epistemological model of cases getting to their peak by May (be it middle or end) stands true. And even if it does, delay would not be of more than a few weeks.
Reasons:
1. Oxygen shortage is a matter of just a week or two to get sorted- both due to internal ramped up production and establishment of supply chain and foreign aids. Add to that all sorts of aids coming up from over 2-dozen countries.
2. Vaccination- is the key differentiator this time than last year cuz vaccines are working and is a formidable option this year.
3. Last year's experience and chutzpah - if UPSC could conduct the exam last year immediately after the peak, they have no incentive to postpone it this year. Do any of you remember what shady and outright false statements were given by UPSC in the SC last year a day before Prelims- just because they didn't want to disturb the overall calendar and this goddamn exam- and still have hope that they care for you, of your well being or your rights?
4. We being a nation of dead morality and UPSC being nothing but a reflection of the society- Last year, so many aspirants suffered unimaginable hardships just in order to reach their centres. Many died due to infections. Was there any empathy for any of them? Or accountability for the gross violation of their fundamental rights? Is there any accountability of any body/Govt for the thousands people today dying due to holding of elections/rallies or massive religious congregation? Do you think it ever will be? There's no value of human life in our underdeveloped country aspiring foolishly to be a world beater.
Now on, I don't have mere goal to crack this exam just to serve the nation (hardly the miniscule good souls get to actually serve the nation but only the political masters and the sold-out institutions; and if anyone dares to do sth extraordinary out of serving spree, he's shunted out or suspended) but also, very importantly, to live a safer and a more secure life cuz in this nation of fuckin unequals, your position might decide whether your mother gets a bed in hospital or expires on the road gasping for oxygen by the time the next calamity strikes- becoming just another statistic (lucky for you if Govt counts it in!) or a mere spectacle for others.
So, the highly revered commission will have no hesitation to conduct the exam if the public transport is running everywhere a week before the exam date- yes that would be the only criteria, even if you have to parade through a line of burning pyres on pavements on the way to your respective exam centres.
Haha, it's not that. It's just a reflection on horrible state of things.Sleep? I can't when I see your dear ones dying but that not getting included even in the statistics.If you can after that, lemme know in the DM!
Ok ,then continue. Perhaps,it will make you feel better.
Yup, it's cathartic.
With all due respect, If this is your idea ofgetting psychological relief, Somehow i find this problematic.Bhadaas nikaalo. But don't go to such extremes. Generalize what you want to say. Because when people read stuff,they are simultaneously forming images in their head.And my heart skipped a beat, when you forced me to form an image of something that I dread.
No hard feelings. You were emotional. It was an outburst. Just a general advice. Even as an aspirant when you have to convince someone with your arguments (including the examiner who will check your paper in future), you will have to focus on how you present them.
Peace.
A major reason for why we are seeing this day is due to that "Be nice, Don't speak harsh truth" attitude.
Had some of the adroit asvisors and ministers of the Leader been able to speak "No sir, this / that step is wrong... it might spell disaster with bodies strewn on the streets" instead of being "nice and presentable" with their words/argument, we wouldn't be seeing this day.
Whatever scenario brought dreaded chills to you is not hypothetical anymore, it's happening to our countrymen in hordes while we are debating on niceties.
As they say, you can either do plainspeak who shows the mirror or be an Ostrich. We don't need any more ostriches. We don't need to be ostriches anymore.
All our problems start and end with population. We are 17% of the global population living in less than 2.5% of the land area. Not even the best governments and bureaucracies of the world can save this country(or such similarly configured ones) when such a pandemic happens. Our systems were inadequate even before COVID-19 this just made it collapse fully. No aspirant should wreck their heads over a simple supply demand issue be it jobs(including the less than 0.1% success rate of UPSC), healthcare, education or infra in general, our population is the number 1 problem-always was and will remain till we stop breeding like rabbits(even though TFR is down still another generation will suffer till we peak). So stop worrying, take care of your and your families well being by following protocols and do not panic by watching media/social media 24*7. This was bound to happen and god forbid a major disaster like a mega quake(predicted this century in north india) happens will repeat because of POPULATION. TC everyone and ATB!
Agree.
How many of my friends on forum has taken any dose of vaccination ??
Do share your feedback like side effects , efficacy % and immunity developed.
A Frontline worker here.
Efficacy: >99.9% in preventing hospitalisation
Immunity: Above figure says all about it. I haven't seen/heard a single vaccinated person around me going to hospital/ICU/dying even after getting positive. Current concurrence in scientific-medico fraternity is that immunity from vaccine should last for more than 6 months at least.
Side effects: None (Personal observation : only 10% people around me showed some slight fever/ arm sore which got over within a day)
Feedback: Prioritise vaccination at your home this way: Old>Comorbid people of any age>young
I somehow strongly feel that UPSC is not going to postpone if the epistemological model of cases getting to their peak by May (be it middle or end) stands true. And even if it does, delay would not be of more than a few weeks.
Reasons:
1. Oxygen shortage is a matter of just a week or two to get sorted- both due to internal ramped up production and establishment of supply chain and foreign aids. Add to that all sorts of aids coming up from over 2-dozen countries.
2. Vaccination- is the key differentiator this time than last year cuz vaccines are working and is a formidable option this year.
3. Last year's experience and chutzpah - if UPSC could conduct the exam last year immediately after the peak, they have no incentive to postpone it this year. Do any of you remember what shady and outright false statements were given by UPSC in the SC last year a day before Prelims- just because they didn't want to disturb the overall calendar and this goddamn exam- and still have hope that they care for you, of your well being or your rights?
4. We being a nation of dead morality and UPSC being nothing but a reflection of the society- Last year, so many aspirants suffered unimaginable hardships just in order to reach their centres. Many died due to infections. Was there any empathy for any of them? Or accountability for the gross violation of their fundamental rights? Is there any accountability of any body/Govt for the thousands people today dying due to holding of elections/rallies or massive religious congregation? Do you think it ever will be? There's no value of human life in our underdeveloped country aspiring foolishly to be a world beater.
Now on, I don't have mere goal to crack this exam just to serve the nation (hardly the miniscule good souls get to actually serve the nation but only the political masters and the sold-out institutions; and if anyone dares to do sth extraordinary out of serving spree, he's shunted out or suspended) but also, very importantly, to live a safer and a more secure life cuz in this nation of fuckin unequals, your position might decide whether your mother gets a bed in hospital or expires on the road gasping for oxygen by the time the next calamity strikes- becoming just another statistic (lucky for you if Govt counts it in!) or a mere spectacle for others.
So, the highly revered commission will have no hesitation to conduct the exam if the public transport is running everywhere a week before the exam date- yes that would be the only criteria, even if you have to parade through a line of burning pyres on pavements on the way to your respective exam centres.
With all due respect, If this is your idea ofgetting psychological relief, Somehow i find this problematic.Bhadaas nikaalo. But don't go to such extremes. Generalize what you want to say. Because when people read stuff,they are simultaneously forming images in their head.And my heart skipped a beat, when you forced me to form an image of something that I dread.
No hard feelings. You were emotional. It was an outburst. Just a general advice. Even as an aspirant when you have to convince someone with your arguments (including the examiner who will check your paper in future), you will have to focus on how you present them.
Peace.
A major reason for why we are seeing this day is due to that "Be nice, Don't speak harsh truth" attitude.
Had some of the adroit asvisors and ministers of the Leader been able to speak "No sir, this / that step is wrong... it might spell disaster with bodies strewn on the streets" instead of being "nice and presentable" with their words/argument, we wouldn't be seeing this day.
Whatever scenario brought dreaded chills to you is not hypothetical anymore, it's happening to our countrymen in hordes while we are debating on niceties.
As they say, you can either be plainspeak who shows the mirror or an Ostrich. We don't need anymore ostriches. We don't need to be ostriches anymore.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing . Last year , majority of students wanted no further postponement of interview and prelims . Now ,you are blaming UPSC for being cruel .
Recently , capf ac physicals were being conducted . Some students were worried due to upsurge in covid cases nd wrote to ITBP to postpone the process. But you know what ,most of the candidates didn't want it to be postponed . On telegram group , most of candidates were mocking(kya officer banoge tum, covid se dar gye) others for wanting it be postponed . Same candidates r now mocking our govt for this covid crisis. you see,it is very easy to blame the institutions .
When govt expedited the approval process for vaccines ,not just oppositions parties but even many'' intellectuals'' were causing vaccine hesitancy among the people . Will they ever be held accountable for that crime ?
We all deserve each other ,Govts , bureaucrats nd honorable citizens . I agree, this is the biggest crisis that our generation is facing and Govts failed us big time . but self realization is very imp. GOVTs and bureaucrats have almost zero accountability nd this has to change but Hum log bhi unke takkar ke hi hain .
No one is presenting a rosy picture here. No one is asking you to be silent and avoid asking harsh questions .As I said, please continue if it helps you.
Disagree vehemently with some elements in your first two para.
But that's okay. I prefer to choose silence now. ☮️
I have a query...
if it comes to choosing between:
1) RBI manager,
2) State PCS top service (Deputy Collector) in one's own state (say in UP/Bihar) or
3) other Group A services from UPSC (say other than top 5-6 services),
which one would you prefer and why?
Criteria to consider be: Overall work satisfaction opportunity, Power & actual social status, Diversity in job profile, Facilities & perks, Work Life balance & avenue to earn lil extra so your life style & monthly earning can match that of your college mate who is working in a decent MNC (not supporting wholesome loot like we read in news (e.g. MP IAS couple or that Odisha cadre IFS guy) but come on, who can subsist a family of 4 with 60k pm?... so being practical here here observing ground reality rather than bookish ideal- pls don't pounce upon me).
Pls opine.
I have a query...
if it comes to choosing between:
1) RBI manager,
2) State PCS top service (Deputy Collector) in one's own state (say in UP/Bihar) or
3) other Group A services from UPSC (say other than top 5-6 services),
which one would you prefer and why?
Criteria to consider be: Overall work satisfaction opportunity, Power & actual social status, Diversity in job profile, Facilities & perks, Work Life balance & avenue to earn lil extra so your life style & monthly earning can match that of your college mate who is working in a decent MNC (not supporting wholesome loot like we read in news (e.g. MP IAS couple or that Odisha cadre IFS guy) but come on, who can subsist a family of 4 with 60k pm?... so being practical here here observing ground reality rather than bookish ideal- pls don't pounce upon me).
Pls opine.
In my batch of Deputy Collector/SDM in UP, noone who has UPSC Interview call this time, is even considering any service below IRS. There are around 30% people who will leave ONLY for IAS (due to different reasons). My preference would be-
1. IAS-IPS-IFS
2. SDM UP= IRS - myself talked to several senior officers in both services and it actually boils down to what kind of job you would like. IRS is anonymous desk job but you will not feel a kind of inferiority probably which you might in SDM later vis a vis IAS. There are all kind of people, ones who left IRS to join SDM and others who left SDM to join IRS, so it's a personal choice. Read in old forum thread once that Neyawn sir prefer IRS over SDM, many in my batch probably prefer latter :p
3- Other top service like IAAS
4- RBI
5- Rest Services in UPSC
In Services like IAS,IPS,SDM I think salary should be of least concern to you. Moreover starting is not 60k but around 70-75k. Also my seniors say ki itna bhi kharch nhi ho pata hai, it is more than enough! :)
Few more queries:
1. Why keeping RBI so low? Given it has so much progression potential, recognition, much better perks and emoluments right from Day 1.
2. Doesn't IRS have that lingering inferiority all life vis a vis the top 3 services given all these services work in districts and must be hitting each other frequently for official or non official purposes? Here they belong to same batch, commission and everything, so how can your colleagues vying to leave state services to evade inferiority actually leave inferiority?
3. "In Services like IAS,IPS,SDM I think salary should be of least concern to you." Can this be elaborated a little?
4. If most of the aspirants are so hell bent on following zero corruption, why do we get most of the IAS or IPS in our society who have built properties worth millions of dollars? I live in a state capital, and here everyone knows which officer has which prime property and everything. Why is there such a mismatch between the ethical framework of aspirational period and job period?
5. How can it be justified that a civil servant working 12-15 hours a day handling cooker pressure situation performing such enormous tasks as maintaining legitimacy of the state, controlling law and order be paid a fraction of the money being paid to his counterpart in private sector?
6. How is it justified that the governments of the day (Centre or state) which fight elections on back of Big Black Money, run parties on back of Big Black Money and buy MLAs with huge sums be made guardian of enforcing financial propriety among the executive class - who actually carry the burden of daily governance?
7. What are the avenues to earn the lil extra by means of establishing business (like teaching, entrepreneurship..) while being in govt service ?
8. Why do the junta think earning Big Fat salary via working at an MNC (Say Apple or Reliance) is epitome of honesty and integrity while that MNC is being able to pay that big fat salary due to profiteering business model which is based on nothing but dishonest practices like monopoly, crony capitalism, etc (I mean how is Apple justified in selling its iPhone for INR 1 lakh when sum of its cost of production is just a fraction of it, and still call its business model an honest one?) Why are we so blinded by quirks of Capitalism that we collectively justify all its evils and dishonesty in garb of profits which is always deemed to be just and honest.
9. Why noone raises questions about severe inequality between salary of govt sector and the counterpart in private sector whereas it's been established that raising salaries actually helps in rooting out corruption? (Western nations don't pay peanuts to govt workers while their MNC counterparts making a killing... if there can be parity, why can't the same be demanded in India?)
Don't pounce on the messenger but the merit/dismerit of the message, please. It's just a theoretical debate most of aspirants have in mind.
This is a sad reality brother.Service and all talks of moral uprightness are good for GS4 only.In reality, majority of public servants are corrupt to the core.Case in point being this covid crisis. Where I know many IAS misusing their influence to get beds and oxygen for their kith and kiln.And talking to many after services, it feels that many young promising officers transform into power hungry and money seeking zombies.PS: not all are like that..
"In reality, majority of public servants are corrupt to the core. "
"it feels that many young promising officers transform into power hungry and money seeking zombies. "
That means
1) the aspirants were not so honest in the first place, or that they didn't quite know themselves during the highs of the preparation phase. Or
2) The realities of the respective services and the society, are starkly different than what we are thinking it out to be.
3) The officers are actually being paid so little for the volume and importance of work they are assigned and the mental pressure it takes that either they are unable to carry out a decent lifestyle (why is a kid of an officer not justified in getting admission to the best private schools and colleges whose tuition fees will eat most of their father's salary while the colleagues of his father can easily afford that along with a lot other perks in life) or feel grossly violated for whatever reasons.
4) The system is such that an upright officer cannot do anything even if s/he tries to. Think of cut money that a DM has to offer to the political party in power to fight next elections, otherwise he will be transferred out as Director of xyz unknown deptt. Or that the whole functioning of the zila will come to grinding halt due to same penny salary issue (How can you expect a Data operator to run his family with salary of INR 12000 sitting in CO office making certificates unless he earns few extra thousands to send his kids to a better school? Should that Operator be chided too, that he should have gone for an MNC job if he couldn't run his family with peanuts received with his Govt job?).
Not justifying anything but trying to give food for thought to our future collectors expecting them not to become zombies unlike their preceding 70 odd batches of officers.
Add a whole string of other relatively honest people fighting elections like Jay prakash Narayan of Lok Satta party in Andhra.
Or the whole bogey of hospitals and doctors today who are hand in glove with mafia of Remdisivir, Oxygen, Ambulances, etc. notwithstanding a few odd good souls.
Time to self introspect.
Even as India grapples with the ferocious second wave of Covid-19, the government Wednesday warned that a third wave of the pandemic was “inevitable”, although a time-frame for it could not be predicted.
“Phase three is inevitable given the higher levels of circulating virus, but it is not clear on what time-scale this phase three will occur. We should be prepared for new waves,” K Vijay Raghavan, the principal scientific advisor to the Centre, said during a press briefing.
Even as India grapples with the ferocious second wave of Covid-19, the government Wednesday warned that a third wave of the pandemic was “inevitable”, although a time-frame for it could not be predicted.
“Phase three is inevitable given the higher levels of circulating virus, but it is not clear on what time-scale this phase three will occur. We should be prepared for new waves,” K Vijay Raghavan, the principal scientific advisor to the Centre, said during a press briefing.
Yikes. I’ll have to literally wrap my grandma in bubble wrap if this becomes a thing. :/
I thought of doing it, but got a little late. Grandpa already infected by Covid, grandma is safe , I guess have to do this.
My neighbor's grandfather died of asphyxiation due to bubble wrapping mechanism but yeah he remained corona free till his last.
So, don't know if it is a good idea afterall.
Just read the whole justifying corruption stuff and this is so fun. :D Trust me, I can't stop smiling. Someone mentioned salaries. Just throwing in some data from an ex civil servant about the LOW salaries of a Indian civil servant. https://qr.ae/pGtnnb So damn low. I feel bad for the officers in my city, may be they need help. And mind you these numbers do not include the ridiculous amount of power differential Indian civil servants have with their western counterparts. And the social status differential.
Ram ji please kripa karo apne desh pe thodi to, saari sadbudhi satyug ke liye hi thi kya!
Just went through that buffoon Awdhesh Singh's answer trying to make a point that Indian Civil servants salaries are higher than their American counterparts adjusted for perks, CTC and PPP using some charts and calculations.
Anyone with basic arithmetic proficiency can see how he errs in his calculations in his answers. (How he arrives at 300000$ figure for top salary of Indian CS is mind boggling!?).
Anyway, it's laughable on part of such a seasoned bureaucrat to even think of such anomaly (in American and Indian Govt salaries) in first place, but he actually goes on and makes a buffoonery of himself making wrong calculations to justify his point.
Anyway, the debate here was not to justify corruption per se but to have a debate on aspects of it.
And no debate can take place unless you have two sides to put their arguments henceforth.
It's useless trying to debate on core issues affecting every aspiring officer and society with the Neros singing their flutes of speckless orgasmic semblance of honesty while avalanche of corruption has been wrecking the kingdom for decades and wholly sullied the very ground they are standing on.
You shall be hung until death if you try Socratian didacticism or play the devil's advocate in order to reach the purer final truth because the moment you speak, your eyes shall be gouged out and tongues slit lest it disturbs our flute sessions.
:)
☮️
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-slips-6-spots-to-86th-rank-on-corruption-index/articleshow/80533471.cms
PS: We are a society of utter honests, we have absolutely honest aspirants, honest tax payers, honest common man but we don't understand yet how we transform into corrupts whenever we get some power or avenue be it in bureaucracy, politics, judiciary, business, etc. Batch after batch, year after year... the story doesn't change much. Heck, it's getting worse.
That's the mystery. But lest you speak...
I hope people realise that deleted comments aren't that deletedi dont believe you
Neither do I !
;)
per capita gdp of korea 31k USD, for india its 2k USD. what this data points to is not indian civil servants being overpaid but general population being too poor aka inequality , as far as i can infer.Just read the whole justifying corruption stuff and this is so fun. :D Trust me, I can't stop smiling. Someone mentioned salaries. Just throwing in some data from an ex civil servant about the LOW salaries of a Indian civil servant. https://qr.ae/pGtnnb So damn low. I feel bad for the officers in my city, may be they need help. And mind you these numbers do not include the ridiculous amount of power differential Indian civil servants have with their western counterparts. And the social status differential.
Ram ji please kripa karo apne desh pe thodi to, saari sadbudhi satyug ke liye hi thi kya!
Just went through that buffoon Awdhesh Singh's answer trying to make a point that Indian Civil servants salaries are higher than their American counterparts adjusted for perks, CTC and PPP using some charts and calculations.
Anyone with basic arithmetic proficiency can see how he errs in his calculations in his answers. (How he arrives at 300000$ figure for top salary of Indian CS is mind boggling!?).
Anyway, it's laughable on part of such a seasoned bureaucrat to even think of such anomaly (in American and Indian Govt salaries) in first place, but he actually goes on and makes a buffoonery of himself making wrong calculations to justify his point.
Anyway, the debate here was not to justify corruption per se but to have a debate on aspects of it.
And no debate can take place unless you have two sides to put their arguments henceforth.
Are waah boss ab Awadesh buffon ho gaye, thodi der pehle tak to state ki legitimacy vagarah sambhal rahe the, chalo leave buffon to hai. This world bank study is also behaving similarly and adding an infographic from that study here.
In my understanding, The comparison has to be in the ratio right? My Family income with a family of 4 is one lakh rupees and elder brother gets 70k as pocket money. Rest all 3 get 10k. The ratio of elder brother's pocket money to family income is 7:10. My aunt in mumbai has a family income of 12 lakh rupees with family of 4. Elder brother their gets 3 lakhs as pocket money. The ratio of elder brother pocket money here to family income is 1:4. Now I cant' say that the my elder brother is not overpaid, its just my family being poor. One has to see things in context for every country to make it comparable. Please correct me if I am reading the data wrong.
Yes, you are interpreting the data wrongly on many levels.
It's the pay disparity between Govt sector and the equivalent jobs in private sector is what gives rise to corruption.
This isn’t a firm belief, just want to ask people’s views on this.I feel that our society can’t function without corruption. Corruption has many hues to it, like someone mentioned about the ill practices in large companies, call it profiteering, crony capitalism, bribery, they’re all forms of corruption. I’ve first hand seen what opportunities lie in the government sector to make money, seen many earn a lot, seen some earn just enough. Some are ‘ethical’ in their demands, some are brutal.Since we’re talking about the top echelons of government service, I’ll confine my comments to this strata.Nearly all postings in government service have a cost [no empirical data to confirm this, simply my observations because out of the many cases I’ve seen, barring 3-4, I’m yet to see a posting which wasn’t given in lieu for money or as a punishment(ignoring early postings in IAS, IPS, IRS, State Admin, Police etc.].Before I jumped into UPSC preparation, I was about to start my training for a job which was absolutely tension free, enjoyable, a lot of free time, a lot of travel and the salary growth was phenomenal (₹1.5 lakhs/ month at joining and after 6-ish years, around ₹7-8 lakhs/month). I thought a lot about what I really wanted from life. Flashy cars, clothes, gadgets or giving something back to the society.Salary in Govt. services is just about okay if you compare to what I left behind. I won’t be able to drive any German beauties, I wouldn’t wear expensive watches,I wouldn’t stay at posh hotels. But I realised, I don’t need it. Come to think of it, you can easily lead a comfortable life if you’re able to control your desires. So yeah, personally I’m convinced that I would be very comfortable with what’s on offer.Now, what we’re pursuing, it offers us immense opportunity to bring about changes. Not like ‘duniya hi hila denge’ type, but realistically, wherever you’re posted, you’ll have so much potential to work with. That excites me and I suppose it’s the same for everyone else too.ButThe reality is that you’re part of a system. A system which won’t hesitate in chucking you out if you are a rebel nut in the vast array of gears. To get and remain at good postings, you need to grease hands of the higher ups (again, very rare exceptions do exist). To do good work you have to remain at good postings.What I personally believe is this, if you have your heart in the right place, you’d know what to do. Temptation is an alluring slope but it is a slope nonetheless. If the corruption you indulge in doesn’t at large bring you any ‘personal’ gains, you’re doing it to remain a part of the system, continue doing good work, I would say that it’s justifiable in the grand scheme of things.Not saying that you necessarily have to participate in corruption but a lot of times you would have to turn a blind eye. I’m not saying this as a firmly established principle but just saying that I don’t have a hard stance that I won’t indulge in any corruption or I would definitely indulge in corruption.I’m only clear on one count, I personally am not going to take/ use any sort of illegitimately earned gains.Would love to have some learned opinions on this.
One comment which started with realism but unfortunately veered away towards idealism towards the end.
What pains me is the spirit of total rejection of corruption as a concept in a country which lies so low on integrity parameters with all wings of democracy and otherwise taking dives of corruption day in and day out.
And the same hypocrisy of some 'uber honest aspirants' here and of the society in general, actually, amuses me!
man is selfish, selfseeking, avaricious by nature. what was hobbes prescription to deal with it? did he endeavour to change the very nature of men? no. that's impossible, but what can be done is creating a system of checks and balances that atleast eliminates the worst form of corruption the type that costs lives, while benign form of corruption is allowed to exist. Even in society we have brothels and intoxicants , despite all religion and every learned man considering them evil. Follow aristotle- golden mean is the golden rule. Dont be plato, his idealism and holy ideas came to be used to justify fascism.
"benign form of corruption is allowed to exist"
Thank you.
So, here's the cheatsheet on corruption (no pun intended) deduced after this series of dialectics:
1. Corruption cannot be eliminated from our society, it can only be reduced or harmlessly transmuted.
Comment: Whenever there is sovereign power (be it democracy of US or India, or autocracy of Saudi or China), there will always be individuals at the top and the brokers who, due to very beastly nature of man, will resort to corruption. That notion of sovereign power changes from time and place (e.g. Saheb and bada babu duo in a Certificate office are de facto sovereigns in matter of issuing certificates)
2. In order to reduce corruption, we must study the core reasons causing corruption and try practical fixes instead of acting as epitome of integrity and repeat same old cures which are obviously not working on the ground.
e.g. Pay disparity wrt Priavte sector is indeed an issue which fuels corruption in Govt sector employees, especially at the lower end jobs. And increasing salary will actually help inreducingcorruption amongsome %of workforce.
Same way, harsher punishments must be ensured for acts of corruption, more so in higher echelons of the ladder.
Then, Something must be done to root out the elephant in the room, the extent of black money in elections which is a big fountainhead of corruption in India.
Same way, technology can be employed in a massive manner to cut corruption. Case studies of IRCTC ticket booking and online passport making process offer much hope.
3. Corruption is a very complex issue which encompasses historical injustices, generational inequality, subtle forms of daily corruption in kind or cash. We should give up our hallowed sense of righteousness and propensity to seek solutions in black and white like a non sensical moron.
Many developed economies of today which were at similar development stage as India is now (e.g. USA in 1910s and 20s) underwent the similar stage of corruption in jobs, crony capitalism, etc. You can refer to "The Billionaire Raj" by James Crabtree on this topic.
Some may also argue that overall poverty levels (and ensuing actual inequality or perceived sense of future inequality) and underdeveloped state of the economy is the major contributor to corruption, especially at lower levels - which actually pinches the common man in a more visible manner.
It was nice interacting, fellas, and going through your impassioned raw idealistic arguments as well as the grounded realistic ones. What else is needed for a person in quarantine needing some break from monotony of Netflix and chilling.
Shubh Ratri.
Some more juicy topics for future can be :
"Why Hindu Rashtra is the destiny of India and it may not be a living hell afterall"
Or
"Why policy of positive discrimination/reservations must continue in society till humanity exists in pursuit of eternal social justice".
