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Mains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread

@LonewolfFeel good karne ke liye. But, people like me
are deprived of that feeling too seeing such awesome scores being predicted.
Let's just wait for the results?

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@vvvikas0078212@Haeckel@TeddyWestside@sat_009

**In recent times, there has been an increasing concern in India to develop effective civil service ethics, code of conduct, transparency measures, ethics and integrity systems and anti-corruption agencies. In view of this, there is a need being felt to focus on three specific areas, which are directly relevant to the problems of internalizing integrity and ethics in the civil services. These are as follows:

Anticipating specific threats to ethical standards and integrity in the civil services,
Strengthening the ethical competence of civil servants and
Developing administrative processes and practices which promote ethical values and integrity in civil services.
Suggest institutional measures to address the above three issues. (250 words)**

How did you guys answer this one? I've put suggestions from Ethics in Governance 4th report like constituting a Civil Services Board, diluting Article 311 wherein a CS cannot be removed by an authority subordinate to the appointing authority etc. etc. (can't remember other points now)

This case study caught me off guard!

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@bevancomCan you name?

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@ChampakThe world before and after one clears the exam is amazingly different. The realities of life must be well communicated to all the aspirants. I'm pretty sure the hype around civil services manufactured by factors like power, reputation etc. would no longer be determinants to lure youth if the ground realities are laid bare in front of them.

Also, this would help in saving many youths who plunge into the field without reflecting upon their abilities, interests, and commitment. The force of attraction is too damn high here. This needs to be checked.

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@RavsThis might sound like a cliched reply- It depends on the evaluator.

If you've refrained from making any 'non-GS' references in the body, it might just be excused. Given the vagueness of the question, I don't think it'd lead to examiner awarding less marks.

But, these kind of mistakes tend to create a certain bias in the mind of examiner while evaluating your answers. This bias could be pro-you or anti-you! It's always best to not reveal your subject expertise in GS answers even when the temptation is strong to do otherwise.

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@GloriousMess26The reputation earned by@DKTspeaks volume about his personality. He's being rightfully downvoted to oblivion!

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@ShubzHow did you complete the paper? Must be having very fast writing. I could write only 1.5 pages and 2-2.25 pages.

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@corrigible_87I write medium-sized letters with 1.5 line spacing. So, at times, even I myself feel that I didn't write enough.

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@RagsIf only you can decipher the hebrew written in this, you'd be able to know-

https://indiankanoon.org/docfragment/1530075/?big=0&formInput= scaling of marks

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@John_TitorI could never wrap my head around the very first assumption. (may be because I'm an engineer)

It is based on the assumption that any sample with finite distribution tends to be gaussian. Given the acute subjectivity in the method of evaluation (Compare Maths vs Geography) and inappropriate sample sizes ( Geography again vs Kannada literature), do you think a collection of such samples across different optionals would really be a normal distribution?

In colleges, it would work. The subjectivity in evaluation is not so much as in UPSC mains.

Care to explain?

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@John_TitorExactly! Thanks for corroborating my stand. (Finally. This view is usually not appreciated by the fraternity I've interacted with and is met with- You mean UPSC is wrong and you're right?)

Anyway. It's high time UPSC changed this method. I mean how difficult would it be to prepare a new empirical model based on statistics from post-revision period (one optional).

I have no knowledge of statistics, but still I think it could be done. Weighted coefficients could be assigned in accordance with the strength for different optionals. The sample size does not vary abruptly for any optional. It is more or less predictable. Like, we won't see 1000 people taking up Kannada literature ever!

I don't understand why there has been no action in this direction. Where are the statisticians of our country?

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And, that's why the talk of scrapping the optional paper comes. UPSC would do more good than harm by introducing a common paper like public policy or something which is actually meaningful for administration and doing away with 40 different kind of optionals.

The act of normalization fails on moral grounds when done with super-simplistic assumptions.

Grabs popcorn

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@JharsugudaJharsuguda me to hota hi nahi sannata. Abhi kaisa mahaul hai wahan?

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@Asli_hai_sabyou missed Jai Modi.

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@KatsumotoI feel bad for that 'madam'.
Keep the spirits alive. All the best to you too.

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@Biryanimafia_ 1058 candidates qualified under EWS category. 354 didn't have EWS certificate dated before the cut off date and they are being treated as General category candidates now. So, there are around 700 candidates under EWS. Lesser the number, there's greater likelihood of cutoff being low.

So, I guess logically it makes sense. The cutoff could well below the OBC cutoff.

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@Biryanimafia_ It's authentic. It's from the ongoing proceedings in the CAT regarding EWS issue. UPSC itself has mentioned the numbers.

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@vvvikas0078212Could be. No experience here. Just wanted to put out the information on EWS.

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@Biryanimafia_ I'm afraid this information is not out in public domain in so far as revealing it to non-parties (to the case). I've no idea of how the concept of confidentiality works in ongoing proceedings.
But, you can trust me?

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@Biryanimafia_ okay bhai. Nahi pata. Aap final result ke baad dekh lena numbers sahi the ya nahi.

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Result on 12th.
(Insider info)

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Sorry guys. It was a hoax. Someone is circulating an exact replica of the result. My heart stopped beating!

I'm really sorry.

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@AzadHindFauzDidn't know people will degrade to such levels of meanness.

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@bevancomBro, how childish of you to say things like that! I respect your line of thought, but how could you arrogate to yourself the right to demean those who have spent many years in preparation.

I dont blame you entirely, but for the 'direspect' part. I'm speaking my experience here. I resigned from a well-paying corporate job last year and began preparing in July,18. I had come with the same mindset as yours- to crack the exam in the very first attempt.

I think it made me have a positive outlook throughout the preparation phase. But, with each passing day, as my learning and knowledge of this exam matured, I began to realise that no one can be ever sure of cracking this exam! Ever!

I was able to write mains, but I realise that there's massive scope for improvement further. So, if@Yo_Yo_Choti_Singhsir says that this exam is kind of AFEEM, he's right. It's because you can do all the hard work and it will never be enough. There always be the scope for improvement.

I'm pretty sure (500%) that this myth gets broken for every newcomer. If you've toiled hard for one year, you'd develop a sense of liking for the exam. You'd also develop a sense of optimism that you'll be better the next year. Coupled together, these will make you stay!

I'm not waiting for mains'19 result now. It's of least bother at the moment. Because there's a lot of scope for improvement!

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@bevancomBhai, you're one funny personality.

I never asked you to blindly accept what the veterans say. I just cautioned you not to refute them as underachievers because they are not.

If you've not understood the uncertainty around the exam after all this while, there's very little hope for you. I wish that it gets broken sooner rather than later!

One need not prepare for any exam to understand humility. One should be humble from the outset. You're not! Having pride is another thing, being arrogant is another.

I think you've learned a lot and are smarter than most of us. So, I give it to you. I wish you succeed in the very first attempt, because there's absolutely no hope for you if you fail (God forbid), because you're too rigid!

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@bevancomI'm sher-locked.
Thanks.

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@bevancomI wish there are no crossroads for you. I wish you end up EXACTLY how you've planned.

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@pysh12950Tbf, the work post-selection is not the drive in his case.

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@bevancomDosti bani rahe

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One must have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star.
-Nietzsche

We have all wasted enough of our time speculating about the result. Let's live the circumstances; the present. Let's detach ourselves from worldly chaos and focus on inner chaos which brought us into preparation. Let's be a dancing star this year!

Happy New Year to all the fellow bureaucrats.

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UPSC's reply to CAT order makes it certain that theresult won't come before 6th Januarynow. They have explained that result can't be declared until final outcome of the case due to technical difficulties in ascertaining cut-offs for various categories.

The case is to be heard on 6th January on urgent basis. Previously, it was scheduled on 16th. Hopefully, the final verdict comes on that day!

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@sri-jcec15161Lawyers have received a copy of the reply submitted by UPSC requesting CAT for an early hearing.

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@sri-jcec15161It's the same source which gave the information of delay earlier in December.
When I told that result will be delayed this year, nobody trusted me.@ranyo_asokaHave I been proven right now?

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@CaesarClassic Indian culture of administration!
In my opinion, two things could be done. Firstly, a more user-friendly interface. Eg- Forms in regional languages + less complicated. In addition to this, appointment of a specially designated helper for filling out the forms by the departments.

I think doing away with middlemen would not be addressed by digitising services alone given poor digital literacy. It could be addressed only by replacing them with "state-appointed middlemen" (If I may use the word) and then, going for digitisation slowly.

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@DKTFair possibility. The word is that the bench has not gone into the merits of the case fully. Also, post-mains, more candidates have approached the CAT. So, now there are multiple parties with peculiar concerns. All of them are to be heard on 6th.
Let's be optimistic. Hope for the best.

Source: Petitioners

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Those who are overenthusiastic about CAT's ruling can go and observe proceedings firsthand tomorrow.

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Is it unethical to say "no" to a friend if he asks for your notes; the making of which has taken months of toiling, referring various books, sources etc.? The denial almost came as a reflex to me. I didn't even think about it. Is it just me or is this a usual feeling?

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@TETRACYCLINEThis delay is gonna hurt all those who are going to miss after interview?

Even if the result comes by 10th, the DAF-II would take another week before it's available and then, another 20 days (bare minimum) for its submission. I think Interviews will begin in the last week of Feb and final result by first week of May?

What do you guys think?

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Those who're avid readers must see the World Book Fair @ Pragati Maidan. It's?

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CAT verdict reserved. Proceedings closed. Can expect verdict in another 2 days. Result definitely not before 8th.

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@mannemvasukinandan701No such order yet. A brief submission will be filed by petitioners tomorrow. Petitioners requested one final submission and the bench agreed. So, verdict will be published after that.

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@AkkkuA brief submission is to be filed by petitioners tomorrow. It's not false.

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@ShubzCan't say.

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@ShubzThe fact that bench didn't rely on ex tempore judgment means that they'll take their time to deliberate more upon the matter for one day. So, it could go either way. Had it been straightforward, the judgment would've been given at the outset. The bench seemed to inclined to the concerns of petitioners. So, the case has dragged so long. But, nothing can be said conclusively. The case was debated exhaustively for 4-5 hours today.

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@CaesarThat would be UPSC. Their lawyer argued that they want to declare the result as soon as they can.

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@AnduinHahaha too early! CAT begins work from 10:30 AM.

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@ShubzNo, it won't. It's a well established principle that one cannot sleep over their rights and expect same benefits as one who fights for relief.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/No-relief-if-you-sleep-over-your-rights-SC/articleshow/482075.cms

This question was raised by the UPSC citing opening of pandora box and the CAT cleared air that there won't be any such issue. Also, once the result is declared(which is soon), the issue will become infructuous.

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@mannemvasukinandan701Possible.
Few points-
A. The petitioners asked for 2 days at first. The bench insisted it be made tomorrow only! So, the bench is in hurry now. Possibly, the leave of one of the judges was in the mind?

The bench is a division bench. One judge is on leave on Wednesday. The other is not. It could be that the available judge writes the order. Anyway, they have made up their minds. So, I believe anyone can write the order. But, I have no knowledge of how this work, so can't comment with conviction here.

B. The UPSC stated that any more delay at this stage would amount to cascading effect on future exams/processes conducted by the commission. The bench appeared to have taken note of (with seriousness) this situation. So, they want to write a judgment sooner than later.

As of now, the submission is being drafted by the petitioners, so it looks less likely that judgment will be issued today. Let's hope it's available tomorrow!

As for the details of what is the contention of the EWS candidates in this case, in my opinion, it's best to disclose once an order is produced.

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@mannemvasukinandan701The honourable Chairman of CAT, L. Narasimha Reddy.

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@cholaviet154Could you please tell what exactly you wrote? Reading on Quora/ Writing on Quora?
Can I mention writing on Quora?
(I've 2k+ followers + co-admining multiple spaces and my written answers cater to a specific group of people i.e. specific genre of writing)

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Very slim chances of result getting declared tomorrow. UPSC doesn't know whom to exclude and whom to include for determination of cut-off. This clarity will come with the judgment. If the judgment comes tomorrow (50:50 chance, because the main judge who chaired the bench is on leave), I think it will take another 1-2 days for UPSC to declare the final result. If not 2, definitely 1 day.

So, IMO Friday seems more plausible.

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@TETRACYCLINEHaan. Is week to aane ke 95%+ chances hain.

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@BlazeApathy, in our country, can be found anywhere and everywhere. But, we must understand the difference between moral apathy and systemic apathy. There is no denying that moral apathy is present. But, it's systemic apathy which is the root cause behind the graver concerns.

From what I have learnt from my sources in EWS litigation, the judges try their level best to ensure justice is not delayed. Almost all of them are great intellectuals with a sense of responsibility. It's the systemic apathy in what we study as problems plaguing the Indian judiciary, which comes as moral apathy of individual judges.

In this particular case, my source tells me that the judge is off to chair a bench in Chhatisgarh. Leave wouldn't be the correct word to use here. But, since absence amounts to taking leave, it's being used. He also adds that the current chairman is a workaholic. This case is important for our future. We don't know what important case he's been assigned in Chhatisgarh! Sometimes, while staying out, we don't get a comprehensive scheme of things.

The other aspect of the story-
Imagine the condition of the EWS candidates whose candidature was cancelled post DAF submission. Despite repeated requests to grant an interim relief early, the matter was heard on 18th September after 2 adjournments. I would say this was moral apathy on the part of judges. Probably, they could not put themselves in candidates' shoes. The candidates received their admit cards on 19th September. Till 18th, they were clueless whether they will write the exam or not.

In this case, after taking a painstaking account of things to ensure justice is done with a select few, the judicial delay has furthered injustice. The hotchpotch in every candidate's mind and the ensuing suffering as they await result would not even be accounted for. The act of doing justice will stop though, ironically, with more injustice.

The sad state of affairs in our India!

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@Ms-dhoniNo movement. Nothing from my source yet.

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@mannemvasukinandan701The second judge mentioned in the cause list wasn't Mohd. Jamshed for the last hearing. Mohd Jamshed sat on earlier hearings. On those hearings, the facts of the cases were revealed and interim relief was being explored as an option.

On 6th, a detailed debate on validity of facts and examination of various aspects was done. This bench was that of Chairman, L Narsimha Reddy and A K Bishnoi.

So, that's not a valid concern to worry about. The second judge who witnessed the depth of debate and deliberation is available.

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@tmblnd1325194Finally, the clouds have been cleared. Huge relief.

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@zombielandDefinitely not. I can give my word. My source tells there's still no movement on judgement yet. It's Lunch time in CAT. May be something in second half? Still processing result would take one day.

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The word is here. No judgement to be pronounced today. It'll be done first thing in the morning when the bench sits tomorrow with Chairman back in town. So, 10th as D-day seems more plausible if petitioners win. I think UPSC will take a day at least to sort the mess based on the order of the CAT.

If UPSC wins tomorrow, the result could even be tomorrow.

All TG sources claiming today as D-day are bogus.

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Some people are so sadist that they downvote even informational posts. lol

Opinionated, I understand.

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@DKTI'd not call this as irony, but the very nature of us humans. We are living in a post-truth era. In this era, credibility comes with certification only. Nobody is to be blamed.

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@DKTMention not. We all are tensed. At least, we all have the right to be truly informed. Correct information is the only relief until the result is declared.

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@BulbulSen
Tl;Dr: We are all working for our own sense of happiness. You may call it satisfaction/goals/pleasure/desire/whatever else.

The very fact that we have a physical form means that there must be a reasonable nexus of materialistic goals and ideational goals for us to live happily till the time we don this physical form.

Life is all about this reasonable nexus which is essentially a weighing scale. Most of us are trying to balance this scale in our own ways to remain happy. We find our balance in pursuing this goal. Some others in some other way.

Everybody is working around this weighing scale. Most try to balance it. A good mix-up of both side. Some try to go either side of it, wholly.(A tiktok lover with no intellectual goals vs a hermit with high sense of intellect)

The point being if you stop the act of working around this scale, you'd lose the sense of living. Nothing will interest you anymore and nothing will attract your ire. Those who lose sight of the weighing scale fail to see any reason to do anything. But, how will they obtain happiness? Happiness needs a via media.

The person eventually loses the sense of happiness. The next thing you do is question the sense of living. This is the tipping point. You know what happens next.

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@mannemvasukinandan701I guess we'll have to wait for one more day. The cases for final disposal are listed in cause list under 'for pronouncement'/'for final disposal'.

A judgement is always pronounced in an open court. The court fixes a date and due notice is given to the parties concerned. I think the bench needs more time to mull over the facts and arguments of the case. No order will be passed today.

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@Scorpion888The case made by the EWS candidates is strong or else it would have been dismissed by CAT much earlier. UPSC has been caught this time... Badhiya se! Despite their strong reputation, the case has dragged this far.

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@Scorpion888Yes. Plus the general elections 2019 took up few months. Departments in the states had no clarity on how the assessment would be done, what documents are to be considered etc. Everyone was busy with elections. This is one of the points raised by the petitioners.

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@BlazeCan't say with conviction. But, I'd give 60:40 in favour of candidates. Too many intricacies have been brought up for consideration. It could swing either way.

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@mannemvasukinandan701Even I wish the same. But, from my experience, the pronouncement happens in the presence of parties concerned. They must be issued written notices to be present on the designated date. This is to ensure that the facts and the arguments being quoted by the judge pronouncing the order is correct to the knowledge of both parties. At least, this is how it is done in the High Courts. I think CAT would be following the same convention.

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@rahulku049014689Forest is also in litigation.

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This wait is to continue. The order will not be pronounced tomorrow since it has missed the causelist and also, the supplementary list.

What next? Since UPSC is as eager as us, they may request a mentioning of the matter before Chairman for an urgent pronouncement. This can happen only tomorrow. If the Chairman deems fit such a request, he may pronounce the order on Monday. If no such request is made, it might take longer.

So, let's be hopeful for Monday now.

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@sernihiloUnhe nahi pata hum kaise jee rahe hain abhi.

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@John_TitorThis is what petitioners had argued for. But, the counsel of UPSC was adamant that result can only be declared after final order.

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@BlazeLike I told yesterday, let's be positive for Monday. Nothing is happening today.

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@AequitasCan't comment on that. They are not just 8 more than at least 20.

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@AequitasI personally don't think that would be the case. The UPSC secretary has himself declared the result has been delayed by the EWS matter being sub-judice and not anything else. He wouldn't have come open about the delay had the copies of litigants not been checked.

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Off-topic
Does anyone know a good screen recorder app that lets you record videos on phone?
Tried a couple, but i'm getting a blank screen on the recorded video.

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@noobdevices15031Sherlockian-level crazy!

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@STNope bro.

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@Ms-dhoniIn that case, the benefits can only be extended if a representation with a valid certificate is made to CAT citing the relief order. I don't think there would be much time to be able to do that. Once the result is declared post-verdict, whatever be the outcome, the matter will become infructuous.

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@Ms-dhoni"Sleeping over rights" does not apply to those who qualified Prelims on general standards because they were not deprived of the opportunity, unlike other EWS candidates who were being prohibited from writing the exam. They were only categorized differently for the purpose of the exam. The same opportunity was provided to them as others i.e. permission to write the exam. So, they can make a representation against this "different categorization" if a favourable judgement comes. But, if the result is declared in the meanwhile, the "sleeping over rights" thingy will come in picture as matter will be dead for all practical purposes.

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So, it's certain. Monday at 10:30 AM. Be ready?

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@Ms-dhoniI think that you're missing the fine line here. One set of EWS candidates did not make representation because they qualified on general standards. If you look at this with a different angle, this implies that the different categorization on account of them lacking certain criteria (EWS certificate) was acceptable to them. So, they went ahead and achieved the purpose (wrote the exam). They did not hold anything against the commission. They accepted their fault and the consequent tweak in the terms.

The other set of candidates were denied the opportunity to write the exam. This set challenged the decision because in their opinion they were not at fault and they did not accept the tweaked terms. A roadblock (cancellation of candidature) in achieving the purpose (mains exam) was seen as infringement and hence, was challenged in the tribunal.

Till now, the first set of candidates is okay. Both parties (them and UPSC) conceded to arrive at an acceptable position. But, if the second set is given relief, this would amount to treating the same set of people in two different manners. Thus, if second set wins, the people from the first set who make representation stating that they are eligible for benefits accorded to the second set by the tribunal can also get benefits. Obviously, in that case, they must be fulfilling the criteria laid down by the tribunal regarding cut-off date.

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@Ms-dhoniI have no knowledge of such representations being made in CAT yet. I have been following this matter very closely. Could you let me know the case number?

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@Ms-dhoniOr might be the case that they have filed it just recently. There were no such people in the last hearing.

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@bevancomThere are few absolute certainties in life. Aa hi Jana chahiye.

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@Caesaryou meant the orientation?

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@CaesarThat's just orientation. A senior guy told me. General stuff about interview. Though I've registered. Will go.

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@CaesarGreat article. Thanks for this.
I believe that nonconformity is the best way to decipher the truth in the present era. The truth is layered with lies. The crowd takes the lies and makes it a metanarrative. Nonconformists taste the truth, but it is of no avail (for society) as they're marginalized.

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Meanwhile, Iran has acknowledged the downing of the Ukranian passenger plane. A major! Possible implications?

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@BehemothYup. Modi Ji is very lucky.

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@Hermione_Granger Thanks. Just read about it. The movie would be interesting.

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@AequitasYes, the verdict will be out by 11AM. As pronouncements are listed for early in the day. If UPSC wins, the result could be on the same day.

But, if petitioners win then it might take a little longer. There are different subgroups within petitioners. It appears as of now that there won't be any blanket relief. It's up to the words of wisdom of the bench to draft a simple verdict and avoid complications.

In any case, next week se aage to nahi jayega.?

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@BGPFair chance. It's 50:50. If you further insist, I'd give 60:40 to petitioners given the strength in their arguments.

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@BehemothIf the fear is not quantified in terms of adverse circumstances one may have to embrace if all goes haywire, focus and efficiency would be very tough to extract out of mind. Getting efficiency out of that little bastard is one tough art. Fear is just one construct to get around the comfort it demands of you.

I hate this characteristic of human mind. This explains why we tend to waste 15-20 days post-prelims and we are 200% efficient a week before mains.

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@DreadfulExactly. Same case happened with a friend of mine too. The extra effort in getting the answer booklet number in the attendance sheet is done to cover for these incidents.

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@BehemothYou missed Bhakts and urban naxals.

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Since when have we been declaring state mourning over the demise of ruler/leader of a foreign state?

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@VishwanathOops. My bad. I mistakenly posted it as reply to your post. Sorry.

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@VishwanathIt's quite subjective to give any solid opinion. I tend not to opine over things I'm less sure about. I'm afraid I wouldn't be of much help here bro.

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@CaesarToo good.
Yaar pyaaz ki jagah mooli kha kar to mai pareshan ho gaya hu. Paani puri wala bhi mooli khilata hai ab to.

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@Hermione_Granger No, AMAs are done for the promotion of films, novels etc too. Hollywood celebs do it very often.

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@Hermione_Granger Almost exactly!

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https://twitter.com/kunalkamra88/status/1215517896467603456?s=19

A little fun before you hop on to bed. Night fellas!?

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@BehemothYou're right.

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@BehemothIt's going to be my signature phrase on this platform beginning now. Thanks for this.?

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The judgement is out. Petitioners have won the case. More delay in result might be a possibility now.

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@mannemvasukinandan701The judgement has been announced and hence, deleted from proceedings report.

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@Kira0705TG is total BS. Trust me on this. I've been right all along?

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@KabirAfter 6 PM.

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@majormiketangoFinal legal touch ups in CAT will take the whole day today. Secondly, only select group of petitioners are allowed. UPSC will verify them once again whether they have the certificates dated before 16th August.
So, my hunch is that it would be out most likely by tomorrow evening!

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@TaurielNo, the judgement only!

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@PrabhatAround 10-12 have gotten the relief.

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@TaurielNo. They will, in all likelihood, accept the verdict. Because, any further delay in publishing the result would allow the time for other aggrieved petitioners to file an appeal in the High Court. UPSC doesn't want any more delay to the process! The delay due to this case has affected its prestige very much.

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@TETRACYCLINEWait for the written order to be published. Any technical clarity can only be obtained from the order itself. Keep checking the CAT website.

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@LazydreamerNo bhai.

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@YashmishraBig lawyers are fighting pro bono for EWS. HC is their turf if I'm allowed to say so. This is one aspect we can't rule out as unimportant.
UPSC are much worried to finish up the process as soon as they can. Once the result is declared, the matter will stand infructuous. This is what appears from the stand counsel for UPSC has taken in the case.

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@BehemothYup, you're right.

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@VishwanathNo bhai. 10-12 candidates who have gotten the relief, even if all of them qualify won't affect the cut-off in major way. Law of averages. But, let's wait for the written order to get any clarification on whether representations have been allowed for those who didn't approach the court.

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@BulbulSenVery slim. But, if UPSC works overtime and declares the result in the middle of the night, I'd not be surprised. I think tomorrow seems to be a fair possibility. Let's wait for the published order. Tab aur clarity aayegi.

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@CaesarNo, around 100 EWS candidates were not allowed for mains. Since they have not given mains, they don't have any stand. A classic case of sleeping over one's rights.

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@Ms-dhoniCan't say as of now. Only written order will clarify things like these.

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The word is that UPSC seems to be content with the verdict, but aggrieved group of petitioners to move Delhi HC.

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I'll apprise you of any development. TG pe sirf bakar hota hai.

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@TETRACYCLINEIt seems even my source is hopeless about today. Kal ka wait karte hain ab.

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@sernihiloFor result.

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@mannemvasukinandan701No, they are not my source. My source is in CAT

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@mannemvasukinandan701Partly allowed because the prayer of petitioners wasn't accepted by the court in entirety. Only a sub-group within them were allowed based on the assessment of the bench. So, the matter shows "partly allowed". If it were "allowed", then it would have meant a blanket relief to all petitioners.

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@manav300627017Those who have not gotten relief are seeking to move HC because their EWS certificates are dated after 16 August- the cut-off set by the CAT in today's order.

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@manav300627017No bhai. Aaj nahi ayega. Let's be hopeful for tomorrow.

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@majormiketangoThey've always been.

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Hawaon ka rukh modna nahi chahta lekin my source tells me that aaj mushkil/nahi hoga. Final legal touchups take at least a day post pronouncement. The orders are vetted, sent to respondents via the registry. It takes time as it is done in batches. Registry won't discriminate between cases and expedite our case soon.

But, if TG sources are making such strong claims, I'd not make any bold claim. Let's go by the majority's viewpoint.

I won't be of any further help now as the matter has left the CAT?
Good Luck, guys.

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@ShubzNahi yaar. Ye possibility to judge ne bhi offer kiya tha. UPSC strongly refused this option. Ye to bakar hai. I assure you.

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Godi ji ke confidence ko dekh kar maine bhi apne source ko dhamka diya. He better be right about result being declared today. Izzat stake pe hai. Lol

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@TeddyWestsideI'm glad that Forum Quest has saner minds. TG pe log emotions ke saath khelte hain. Kuch logo ne 3-4 baar result declare kar diya udhar. Fake news at crucial moments like these is absolutely unacceptable.

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@Akbar_BirbalYe thread hi sahi tha bhai. But ab kya. Ab to aa jayega result?

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@jsr_raghav686Bhai. Ab to maine apne source ko bhi ditch kar diya. For Godi Media's popularity.

My source gave me credible information all throughout the course of delay. I trust him because his information is backed by sound and logical arguments and is not a mere heresay. With a 100% strike rate till now. Deep down, I still feel he's right.

Let's see.

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@CaesarPakode talwa rahe ho kya bhai?

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@Akbar_BirbalThat it would most likely be declared tomorrow. Not today! He also added some radical scenarios which in my opinion is not fit to share at the moment. Kyuki loha kaafi garam ho gaya hai. Mahaul bahot serious hai. I won't play with the sentiments of my friends. Let's enjoy the moment?

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@CaesarAbhi to High Court aur aanch laga sakta hai. Haha.

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@TeddyWestsideThat was a brilliant work! Sach me.

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@Caesar11 baje tak to Godi Media bhej denge pdf. Fir mil baithenge 3 yaar. Caesar, pdf aur Bagpiper!

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Just saw the title of the thread. It was created for "Mains Preparation and Discussion". We're not even remotely close to doing what it was created for. Lol.

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Godi Media insists that the result will be out tonight!

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@TETRACYCLINEBhai. Don't give ideas.?

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@AzadHindFauzsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:

Hawaon ka rukh modna nahi chahta lekin my source tells me that aaj mushkil/nahi hoga. Final legal touchups take at least a day post pronouncement. The orders are vetted, sent to respondents via the registry. It takes time as it is done in batches. Registry won't discriminate between cases and expedite our case soon.

But, if TG sources are making such strong claims, I'd not make any bold claim. Let's go by the majority's viewpoint.

I won't be of any further help now as the matter has left the CAT?
Good Luck, guys.

Hawaon ne apna rukh mod liya.???

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@bevancomFolks on TG have lost their minds. Any further delay is going to make things more ugly on TG. You're right. It's better to stay away from TG.

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The word is that we are heading for more delay, folks. Aaj bhi chances kam hain.Modalities are being worked out to include representations of a "select group of candidates".
Makar Sankranti manaiye aaram se.

Happy Makar Sankranti.

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For general public, let me issue a clarification that I do not have any insider in UPSC, my source is in CAT. This disclaimer is being put out so that no one lynches me later on social media for misleading them.

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@NadigVinayThis is systemic apathy bhai. Far sighted koi nahi hai. Jaise chal raha hai chalne do. Jo hoga wo dekhenge. ye attitude rahega to aisi problems hongi hi.

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@TeddyWestsideYe galat hai bhai. Isliye insiders samne nahi aate. I think bahot insiders honge. But koi samne nahi aata. Information ko apne tak hi simit rakhein!

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@TeddyWestsideIsliye maine CAT order ko public nahi kiya. Ab wo bhi viral ho gaya TG pe. Jao bhailog padh lo!

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@AzadHindFauzsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:

The word is that we are heading for more delay, folks. Aaj bhi chances kam hain.Modalities are being worked out to include representations of a "select group of candidates".
Makar Sankranti manaiye aaram se.

Happy Makar Sankranti.

Order padhne ke baad ispe clarity aa jayegi.

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@shubham-bhargava2711491Bhai. I have tried my best to let out correct information only. At times, I have held back radical info respecting the market sentiment so that feelings are not hurt unintentionally.

Uske baad bhi log TG pe gaali de rahe hain mujhe. (Not you. Just saying)

Kalyug sach me crazy hai. Ab kuch nahi bolunga. Let's hope ki jaldi aa jaye result.

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@AequitasNot all, around 10 of them. Rest others are moving HC for appeal.

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@The_Powerpuff_girlNothing. It has been categorically mentioned in the order that only such candidates who wrote mains are eligible for any kind of relief subject to certain conditions.

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@The_Powerpuff_girlYes. or at the very least, till DAF-II submission.

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@TETRACYCLINEAround 120 ko nahi mila tha. Out of them, 20 got interim relief by the CAT and wrote mains.

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@yummyYes, because the intelligent soul who has circulated this pdf has very cleverly exlcuded the final page. Baaki judgement me to bakar hai. Asli masala to last page pe hai bhai.

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@kochikaameNo, unless HC puts an interim stay. Till then, UPSC is well within its rights to follow the CAT order and declare the result anytime now.

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@yummyOkay bro. You're right. I'm sorry.

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@BehemothI knew it was you who liked that comment even before seeing it.

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@CaesarThe order doesn't explicitly mention for relief to be granted to petitioners only. It's worded very casually. All those who wrote mains and are in possession of certificate dated before 16th Aug are deemed as beneficiaries of the given relief.

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@yummyBhai. I have no knowledge of or links with Godi's version of narrative. Please don't tag me unnecessarily with other people. I beg of you.

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@deceptrixVery apt!

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@CaesarExactly bhai. Pin this thought if possible. lol.

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The word is that HC has been moved now.

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@Hakunah_MatataIt's a killer concept for social media, bhai. Been using it for the past 2 days on Twitter. There's so much peace that I can't explain.

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@madeyeMatlab other aggrieved petitioners have approached the HC.

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I just hope the matter is taken up for an urgent hearing or else further delay.

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@STIf you do, bhakts will lynch you.

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@madeyePetitioners to chale gaye! No knowledge about UPSC approaching HC. Will verify and tell. However, Tg sources are claiming that UPSC has approached the HC.

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@abhishek_pBhai. The stand of UPSC had been quite clear since the verdict. They're trying to figure out how should the result be prepared. The CAT order is worded casually and it doesn't put a full stop on the cause. That's why I told yesterday that we were being overly enthusiastic about result.

I don't know why Godi Media is playing with words here and saying that it was to come yesterday and blah blah.

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@Abraham-MaslowPlease start a new thread for interview preparation. This post will get lost amid ongoing discussion.

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@BulbulSenAam dikha kar mat bhaago yaar. Khane ke liye bhi do!

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@CaesarUnhe laga samay rehte nahi kiya to fir shaam ke peg ka intzaam nahi ho payega.

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@Lam4No, but let's go with the market sentiment?

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@STIt is a necessity to brave the Delhi weather.

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@Lam4Yes, in New India.

(I had to google to decipher the encryption. Don't make this hard.)

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@TeddyWestsideCongrats bhai.

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@keshari-siddhartha07137Bhakt spotted!

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@STYe thoda high level troll ho gaya.

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@dancingminionAnd, their polls!

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Guys, peace. Abhi weather, peg, shaadi ki baatein chal rahi thi. Ab blame-shame wala game. Purana game better tha!

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@IthriveoncocaineHelloooooooo....... from the same sideeeeee.
You too Bihari?

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Please don't make this telegram. Save your trolling for telegram.

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@IthriveoncocaineJai Shri Krishna, Yogi Voldemort!

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@IthriveoncocaineBill ka Jerry ko pata hoga!

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@IthriveoncocaineChange your alias to Ithriveonmemes!

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@VishwanathAb koi update nahi hai bhai. Mahaul garam hai! I'd be lynched.

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@IthriveoncocaineAap chronology samajhiye. Pehle Capitalism aya. Fir Socialism!

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@IthriveoncocainePosthumanism. Pure din social media pe baith ke bakar kar rha hai mankind.

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@STVikaas to Manoj Tiwari layenge Delhi me. Apni baby ko beer pila kar.

For those of you who're running late-https://twitter.com/kunalkamra88/status/1215517896467603456?s=19

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@John_TitorScience optional?

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@VishwanathMere source ne to aaj ka bhi "Kam chances" bola tha.

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@IthriveoncocaineI meant that man has become a prisoner of modern-day gadgets and tools!

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@dancingminionPrelims ki taiyari kab shuru karein fir?

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Bhai agar ye mahaul galat hua na to baakiyo ka nahi pata. Mai to bahot gaali dunga iske piche jo bhi hai.
Meri heart beat 120 ho gayi hai!

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@NadigVinayDitto.

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Few minutes kaise count karna hai ye nahi bataya insider ne?

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@HermioneGrangerSab bik gaye hain. Gormint aunty was right!

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I'm not surprised Fuhrer has so much credibility in Modi's India.

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@deceptrixBhai. I'd not call him sir. I rest my case with that.

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I was an outsider playing the role of an insider. Ye insiders insider ho kar aise khel rahe hain bhavnao ke saath.

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@CaesarFuhrer, Modi, and Godi Media and it's midnight. Could it get more evil?

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@HaltI'm here to apologize for what could've been a grave mistake on part of Netaji.

No alliance with Fuhrer. Down with Fuhrer. Down with Fascism.

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@STHow to quote 2 comments in a single post?

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@STYou've done it bro.

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@ST1 ghante ke baad yahi karna padta hai sabko?

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@STYou meander through chaos. You do!

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@ManchesterUnitedBhai! Ye kaun si language hai? Telugu?

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@bevancomBhai. Bhagwan ne aapko itna confidence bhar ke diya hai aur fir 21 rupaye ka prasad bas? 500 ka to mai chadane wala hu.

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@tssNetaji ne system ke andar ka kaam incomplete chod diya tha. Mai wo pura karunga.

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@IthriveoncocaineYe Saxena hai kya?

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@HaltAaj jaruri bhi hai.

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@tssBhai ye parallel me history ki class nahi kar paunga. Bahot tension hai.

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@Caesarruko bhai thodi der. Ab maza aa raha hai

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@STArey mai Gorakhpur math me hu. Jahaaz wala fake news tha. Zee news wale the.

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@NadigVinaykaun si documentary bhai?

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Pdf daalo bhai.

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Out!

Congrats guys.

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@RaillifeBhai, you're just being impatient. Just remember that every single person who has aced this exam was "you" at some point in time. Just keep reading your books. This is the ONLY answer to your questions.

Trust me.

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