@Dreadfulsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
Thanks bro.
Ppl say half truth n dialogues about hardwork n ignore luck.
If hard work alone n no luck then g Atal Bihari Vajpayee waited 40 years to become PM but Rajeev Gandhi got it so easily. Was A B Vajpayee lazy n Rajeev the most hardworking in India that time.
In 2009 election Manmohan became PM n the ine who worked the hardest throughout his life for PM post ie Advani never became PM.
I don't want to engage in useless debate here but labour is over exaggerated n luck ignored.
luck comes into play when two or more people are at the exact same level and you can't explain why one fared better than the other(s).
regarding vajpayee and rajeev gandhi, they were not placed similarly. one had to make a place for himself, the other was a scion of you-know-which family. so talking about luck doesn't hold here.
For Manmohan too, same thing can be said. his character as a silent, wise and acquiescent person was the factor in sonia gandhi choosing him for the prime ministerial post. advani as a personality does not enjoy the popularity which is required to become a pm, taking into account that he is not from a gandhi family, or one of its sycophants, or one who is in their good books (manmohan).
this exam ages you...not only physically, and even if not physically for some, who are lucky enough to sail through early on...but this exam ages you mentally too.
mentally not as in you becoming more mature and so on. but more like you become old from inside. your desires are smothered, your hopes falter, your confidence plummets, and all that remains is your fragile self.
it's tragic that many have went into oblivion with their unsung tears. it's still more tragic that many will follow.
i can relate to the ending scenes of 'the irishman' where frank sheeran seeks solace in the soothing words of father. consolation is the prize, aarghhhhh.
fall down 7 times, stand up the 8th time... yeah yeah... now stop with this bs.
the story of unfailing resilience is so overrated. any person has a threshold beyond which he is bound to break down. no one can be infinitely elastic.
those who stand up the 8th time, and find what they seek for, might be the ones who wouldn't have stood up the 9th time, had they fallen down the 8th time. but now that they were not tried further on, they walk away wearing the shibboleth of perseverance and resilience.
everything has a limit.
@mannusaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
Now, It is going too sentimental and heartbreaking.......!
yes... watch 'modern love' if you got the time. bahut achha hai...
@mannusaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
ambedkar's account is a great 'conspiracy theory' which every historical narrative is.
btw, what's wrong in becoming better (give up eating beef) to fare better than a competitive religion (buddhism)?
ambedkar has become the demi-god, the centre around whom the dispossessed rally. like the kaaba in mecca around which the muslims rally during their haj pilgrimage.
at this point it's necessary, i feel, for ambedkar to enjoy this divine status, as it helps in eradicating the caste system. but at some later time, when the caste system has been blown to smithereens, we must make ambedkar questionable again, even if we have no questions for him.
@Jharsugudasaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
is it true that the examiners are ideologically biased and reward/ penalise answers accordingly?
also, is it true that the government of the day selects mostly those examiners who are amenable to its ideology?
Every person is ideologically oriented and everyone believes what they think as rational and true. So yeah, there is the possibility that you might be right winger and if your paper goes to left winger examiner then you could be butchered. Same goes opposite. Its not just abput ideology but it reflects in every dimensions. Like even if you are hindi medium student from bihar and if your paper goes to person from banaras, he will ultimately think ki "कितनी अशुद्ध हिन्दी लिखी है" and will cut yyour marks.
No idea about examiners. I dont know whether govt choose the examiners or upsc does that work.
agreed.
and yes, possibly the upsc does that work of selecting the examiners. but if the government asks the upsc not to have jnu profs as examiners, i think upsc would go with that, don't you think?
“A representative from India at the UN Assembly began his address thus: ‘Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Rishi Kashyap of Kashmir, after whom Kashmir is named. When Rishi Kashyap struck a rock and it brought forth water, he thought, “What a good opportunity to have a bath.” He took off his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Pakistani had stolen them.’ The Pakistani representative jumped up furiously and shouted, ‘What are you talking about? The Pakistanis weren’t there then.’ The Indian smiled and said, ‘And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech saying that Kashmir has been an integral part of India all along.”
― Khushwant Singh, Khushwant Singh's Joke Book 9
@Ragssaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
ghar wale want the assurance just after the exam that the result will be positive.
ghar wale (gw): kaisa hua exam?
me: thik hua
gw: achha hai...tab ho jayega na?
me: dekhte hain
gw: exam deke toh pta lag jana chahiye ki ho rha ya nahi
me (mann hi mann): khud deke dekh lete, pta chal jata
at times, they don't even want to live with the uncertainty that we who have taken the exam go through. they want perforce to be assured, not realizing that giving them beforehand assurances only increases the pressure...
anyways
@STsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
everything of finesse that amit shah does is spoiled by the crudity of his face
You have a good command over English language! Good.
thanks
@Ravssaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MycroftHolmesyeah, wear all your attempts like medals.
In my case, i have kept my UPSC journey a secret. Only my family knows about it.
No relative, not even my best friend, no shit.
maintaining such secrecy in digital times like ours should avail you directly to be appointed a raw agent.
in my home, even clearing prelims makes my father do such stunts as even a way younger me would fear to do
at a tea stall, some friends were praising shashi tharoor for his 'brilliant speech in lok sabha.' their faces were lit with the light of pure delight for this man.
hearing their discussion, a guy beside them got agitated. he said, 'is desh ki vidambana hi yahi hai ki angrej toh chale gye lekin unki hukumat nahi gayi...'
the friends were startled at this uninvited aggression. they all looked at him.
the guy continued, 'aap log bas koi achhe kapde pahan kar acchi angreji bol de toh uske kaayal ho jaate hain... are aisa kya bol diya tharoor ne jo subah subah uski mahima mandan kar rahe hain?'
'toh angreji bolna gunaah hai kya?' one of the friends said.
‘gunaah toh nahi hai, lekin koi uplabdhi bhi nahi hai,’ the guy said. ‘baat kaise kahi ja rahi hai usse jyada mahatvapurna kya baat kahi ja rahi hai, wo hai. aisa agar nahi hota na toh europaai sabhyata ke sabhi log hum sab se ujjwal hote kyuki wo sab toh angreji bolte hain na.’
‘are premchand, toh aap bhi kuchh angreji padh lijiye.’ the friends smiled at this reply of one among them.
‘nahi kuchh bol pa rahe toh vyang hi toh karenge na… are aap log shakespeare ki thee thou anyhow padhke vidwan bante firte hain… kabhi nirala, nirmal varma, muktibodh jaiso ko bhi padhiye,’ the guy said.
‘aap bhi kabhi nabokov ki lolita padh ke dekhiye… aur suniye, naam sunke sankoch mat kijiyega… manohar kahaniya nahi hai,’ someone else from among the friends said.
‘haan haan aapki quality pta chalti hai, premchand toh padhe nahi honge lekin manohar kahaniya ke baare me itni pta hai… aap log me se kisi ka English literature vaikalpik vishay toh nahi hi hoga lekin mera hindi sahitya hai, samjhe na.’
‘haan toh aap lijiye optional bhavnaaon me beh ke, hum log toh rationally decide kiye hain.’
‘ye aapki galatfahmi hai ki bhavnaaon me behne se number nahi aate hain. Aap log bhi unme se hi honge jo prarambhik pariksha me agar puchh diya jata hai ki Mricchakatika kisne likhi toh bhramit ho jaate hai ki bhasa ne likhi ki sudraka ne.’
fearing that the squabble might go out of hand, the tea seller, trying very hard not to offend them, requested them all to continue their ‘vaartalaap’ at their place, as ‘logon ke baithne ke liye jagah nahi hai.’
both side departed with the feeling that they had won, and that given more time, they would have thoroughly routed the other side.
@vvvikas0078212said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir Sudraka ke bare me ya Premchand ke bare me English vale bhi bhut jante h.Mrichhkatika vaise Sanskrit me maine pdha tha.Hindi medium valo ko pta nhi kyu itna gussa hai
Great!
@capricornapesaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir - with everyone pouring their heart out during the days of result shows our desperation and helplessness.
Ab bas aa jaye.
really man, waiting for results has freaked many of us. na toh kuchh karte banta hai, na na karte hi banta hai. haai haai ye majboori...
@kochikaamesaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir jisko Jo bhaasha bolni hai bolo Yaar. Never understood why people tend to get angry over whether someone speaks mother tongue or not. English is thriving for two reasons in my opinion:-
- Hindi is not the mother tongue of more than half our population and many don't understand it well. English acts as a uniting language in many ways
- There's dearth of quality science work in Hindi. Someone opting for engineering or medical would have difficulty finding Hindi books for the same.
If someone really wants to promote Hindi, he/she should ensure quality translations are available for academic works or else next generation will continue to prefer English medium of education.
like you, i too find anger or violence over mother tongue unjustified. but i disagree with the two reasons that you have given, which according to you, contribute to the popularity of english language among us indians.
to your first point, people use english not only when it is needed for effective communication, but often because speaking english is considered a gateway to elitehood. and that is why, north indians, who can speak and understand hindi very well, shy away from hindi or feel underconfident in speaking it.
to your second point, yes hindi has not made its forays in explaining science, but more than the engineering or medical students, humanities students are found relatively stronger votary of english. eg. du or jnu students in contrast to iit or aiims students.
i am not making any value judgements here. to each his/her own. but it's what it is.
@kochikaamesaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir I really liked Atal Ji and even NDA 1 for that matter. It's the 'Chanakya' who's spoiling everything and potentially taking the nation down. I've heard from many gujju friends that he has a history of doing similar things in Gujarat.
to be so hateful, not against an individual but against a community, not because that community did something bad to you, but allegedly did bad to your community -- to be so hateful for that reason is nothing but perversion.
'अयोध्या, 1992 / कुंवर नारायण'
हे राम,
जीवन एक कटु यथार्थ है
और तुम एक महाकाव्य !
तुम्हारे बस की नहीं
उस अविवेक पर विजय
जिसके दस बीस नहीं
अब लाखों सर - लाखों हाथ हैं,
और विभीषण भी अब
न जाने किसके साथ है.
इससे बड़ा क्या हो सकता है
हमारा दुर्भाग्य
एक विवादित स्थल में सिमट कर
रह गया तुम्हारा साम्राज्य
अयोध्या इस समय तुम्हारी अयोध्या नहीं
योद्धाओं की लंका है,
'मानस' तुम्हारा 'चरित' नहीं
चुनाव का डंका है !
हे राम, कहां यह समय
कहां तुम्हारा त्रेता युग,
कहां तुम मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम
कहां यह नेता-युग !
सविनय निवेदन है प्रभु कि लौट जाओ
किसी पुरान - किसी धर्मग्रन्थ में
सकुशल सपत्नीक....
अबके जंगल वो जंगल नहीं
जिनमें घूमा करते थे वाल्मीक !
@ManchesterUnitedsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@tsswhy are you quoting me with all this?
I am very neutral about all the things happening around!I just questioned the word “goon”.
I think Mr.Shah can sue the guy who called him goon for defamation.
no, mr. shah can't sue the guy, because the guy did not mention his name explicitly. he only said, 'the most powerful man in the country,' which is subjective. to ambani, he himself might be the most powerful man in the country.
any content, for it being considered defamatory, must fulfil three requirements:
- presence of defamatory content
- the claimant should be identified in the defamatory content
- the defamatory content should be published, so as to make it available to people other than the claimant
point no. 2 doesn't hold here.
@Jharsugudasaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
the heart is beating furiously now. hooofff...
Any news about result today?
no, but others above are saying so
@bevancomsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
Bhai log life mein bahut kuch sahi nahi hota.
They were given numbers by people of india to do this and they r doing it.
I was in full favour of abrogation of article 370 and even for nrc for assam but cab isnt understandable and neither is nationwide nrc.
As for misguiding youth we r already misguided.I had the chance to study in the elite institutions of the country and had the chance to interact with even more.What is taught in the name of so called humanities optional subject is demeaning of our armed forces and only teaches the good deeds of few people who were there when ncert curriculum,ignou curriculum was designed.
I even had the chance to read whole of ignou course for socio and sometimes feel pity and sad of the way our freedom fighters other than gandhi r portrayed and the extreme negative light in which hindu religion is portrayed.
I had the chance to listen to officers sitting in MEA feel sad of thier extreme orientations.
I had the chance to read the subject "social transformation in india" in one of elite institutions of social science and felt sad of the way kashmir situation is shown.They always talk of pampora case and without proof profs point fingers at army but never told about what had happened before army went there(read girija tikoo gruesome death and rape).They point what is happening today but I know the horrific reality when I ask people like parents and grandparents who had to leave their home,business etc which they had built over years in middle of night.
So dear friends things r never fair in life.
I also feel sad of they way tina dabi is able to get thru pre while someone close to me could not as she was from general category.
I also feel being cheated when obc friends of mine with much better salaries than mine were able to get into better iits and iims than mine with 78 percentile while i could not at more than 99.
I feel cheated when previous goverments brought such a scheme where my sister could only get into lady hardinge medical college with better marks while someone from other caste with lesser marks managed aiims.
I feel cheated when a leader says minorities have first right over nations resources as someone in power needed votes from specific community.
I feel cheated when I paid 8 lakh tax last year while someone with a 35k stipend protests for a increase in fees from 10 rupees to 600.And this 8 lakh was because my parents worn torn clothes 20 years back so that they can save money on their childs educations since the day she is born.
So friends somethings are not fair and mistakes do happen in life whether being born in a specific group,or mistakes from people.
Mistakes might have happened in passage of these bills but government was given power by people of India to enact laws and it is within their right to do so just as it was within right of vp singh govt to bring quota as it was within democratic framework or virtual collapse of abdulla govt in 1990 as it was elected with democratic framework
Jabh pehle mistakes huyi to everybody was quite and we consider it as normal and instead consider what is happening today as mistake.Who knows what happened yesterday was a mistake and what is happening today is correct.P.S-To comment a move as good or bad we must have knowledge from not only what hindu has been writing but from a wide wide wide range of sources extending over years books and authors.And I believe most of us(99.999999%) arent qualified to do so(including me) don't have it.
So yes some moves will be good for some and bad for otbers.Just as in past even bad moves got passed and many including family suffered so as this time shall also pass.Unlike comments on the top this was not neutral and was not written as a upsc answer.These are not there to hurt anybody feelings but was a compilation of my experiences and extensive reading of social topics,newspapers and lextures since 2011
victory has defeated you
@Caesarsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir spanish thrillers are very interesting, watch 'the invisible guest' if u haven't.
yeah man, 'the body' was the first spanish movie i watched and it was great. but haven't watched 'the invisible guest' because i read 'badla' is its remake only, and i have watched 'badla'.
btw, watch 'the best offer,' if you haven't already. very fine movie really.
@tsssaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir are ye the body milega kaha.. online ha ya Netflix??
netflix ka toh pta nahi, lekinfmovies2.to/ fmovies.top par online mil jayega.
the mukhiya in one of my friend's village in bihar has terrorised the people there. the friend says that this mukhiya has won previous four local elections. he wins by very fine margin like 7 votes, 50, 80 votes. only once did he win by 700+ votes.
the most important detail is that he rigs one of the polling booths, which is located in his ward. during elections, the polling officers are satisfactorily paid and his family members, who abound, are present in the voting room. people fear for their well being and out of this fear, they vote for the mukhiya. in total, he rigs close to 500 votes.
in local elections, they still use the ballot paper, so muscle power and vote manipulation becomes easier to do. he has the required numbers in his family to intimidate anyone, and pays off the relevant authorities.
due to close to 20 years in power, he has amassed huge wealth, and has also cultivated a lot of connections to higher relevancies. his two sons are spoiled and debauched, rude and violent. they beat up anyone even without any reason.
if it helps in understanding their moral constitution, the mukhiya's wife had eloped with somebody in her pre-marriage days; the daughter and the elder son followed suit.
their association with studies is as far away as pakistan's dream of occupying kashmir.
for giving the genuine beneficiaries of social welfare programmes like pm awas yojana, kisan credit card etc their due, they take money, and even after that they don't give them their promised benefits.
people are afraid and scared. the friend says that the atmosphere of the area has degenerated. the mukhiya and his family dominates the village gossip, whether in homes or in public places.
he says it feels like living in jungle with a cruel lion at the helm. he is banking on clearing civil services so that he may restore normalcy.
@STsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@atuljisaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
Results are probably near...anxious times..anyone veteran here jisne kbhi mains me socha ho ki haan paper toh achhe gaye the ..selection for interview is highly probable...then na hua ho ? What were your thoughts? What might have been the mistakes?
Happened last year.. Had given everything to Preperation.
Notes Revise, Test Series. Got 772, cut-off was 774. Felt devastated. Literally shattered. Tabse ab tak self-belief has been on a lower side.I knew GS-2 went disaster after leaving 30 marks. But felt little confident in GS-3 and GS-4 and little satisfied in Optional.
Lekin GS-1,3 aur 4 sab dooba aur saath mein main bhi doob gaya. Was very difficult to recover and thought to skip 2019 attempt. But then u know family pressure and all to get rid over this prep phase, so gave 2019.
oh man, really brutal. hope that you get in comfortably this year.
what do you think went wrong last year for you?
@TETRACYCLINEsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
bhai maine v ph kiya abhi same line week call krna bhai is week nhi ayega
ya to ye bnda chutiya kat rha
ya agar sahi bolrha to boht muskil me bitne wale hai agle kuch din
kynki last two yrs ki trend ke hisab se aj ana chahiye
bhut busy sound kar rha tha. workload badha hoga un logon ka. mujhe lag rha jaldi ayega.
@Caesarsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir regret & remorse are very strong negative emotions, dont let them overtake you, atleast be happy that u are more aware than most of the people u encounter in everyday life.. And you are doing something u want to do & something jiske pre me hi aadhe log form bharke exam dene nahi aate
true words caesar ji...bahut hi consoling viewpoint hai...
@STsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
my only regret is that my youth is getting wasted in upsc preparation. after you have prepared well one time, additional learning in further attempts is minuscule. so, don't even have the satisfaction that although at the cost of the prime time of my life, i am doing something constructive. bhakkkk
Dekho boss.. You are mixing two things..
Youth getting wasted is a concept not known to Indian Social System. Kyunki Youth ka kaam mehnat karna hi tha as per Purusha Dharma. Aur sir aap mehnat kar rhe ho.
Youth enjoying the best of life and earning money is more is more of post world war Western Materialistic philosophy. (even we had charvak)
Aap India mein rehte ho jahan civil services mein success is cherished Indian value. Playing cricket and being on top of your game is also another cherished dream and value.
Being successful doesn't come easy. Virat Kohli ko hi dekh lo.. See his earlier 2010,2011 innings, you would see So So Many flaws in his technique. But guy worked off his youth practicing and see the result..
Same goes for you.. Hustle everyday !!
PS: Dieting is tough. Very very Tough.. Tongue is one of the sense organ. Aur usko deprive karna is really tough.
st ji, ab kya bole... bilkul sehmat hain aapse.
but kuchh ladke ladkiya india me reh ke western philosophy ko imbibe kar liye hain. aur unko dekh kar thoda self-pity hota hai kabhi kabhi. kya karein, dil toh bacha hai ji...
@Ravssaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir same bhai.
Jawani barbaad ho rahi hai yahan.
ravs ji, aapka toh future HUGE hai... aap toh budhape me jaa ke president ban jaoge. lekin hamara kya hoga
@STsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@STsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
my only regret is that my youth is getting wasted in upsc preparation. after you have prepared well one time, additional learning in further attempts is minuscule. so, don't even have the satisfaction that although at the cost of the prime time of my life, i am doing something constructive. bhakkkk
Dekho boss.. You are mixing two things..
Youth getting wasted is a concept not known to Indian Social System. Kyunki Youth ka kaam mehnat karna hi tha as per Purusha Dharma. Aur sir aap mehnat kar rhe ho.
Youth enjoying the best of life and earning money is more is more of post world war Western Materialistic philosophy. (even we had charvak)
Aap India mein rehte ho jahan civil services mein success is cherished Indian value. Playing cricket and being on top of your game is also another cherished dream and value.
Being successful doesn't come easy. Virat Kohli ko hi dekh lo.. See his earlier 2010,2011 innings, you would see So So Many flaws in his technique. But guy worked off his youth practicing and see the result..
Same goes for you.. Hustle everyday !!
PS: Dieting is tough. Very very Tough.. Tongue is one of the sense organ. Aur usko deprive karna is really tough.
st ji, ab kya bole... bilkul sehmat hain aapse.
but kuchh ladke ladkiya india me reh ke western philosophy ko imbibe kar liye hain. aur unko dekh kar thoda self-pity hota hai kabhi kabhi. kya karein, dil toh bacha hai ji...
Dil ko bacha hi rakhna sir ji !! aur aaj friday hain.. 1-2 peg laga hi lijiye.. company naa mile toh bataiye agar dilli mein ho..
dilli nahi hain, abhi ghar aaye huye hain. aur ghar par agar peg lagayi toh jitna jaldi nasha chadhega usse jyada jaldi mere father nasha utaar bhi denge.
@ranyo_asokasaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
yeha baar baar type karne se result toh aane wala nhi hai..better visit frnds,movies, or find time to talk to one own self(self exploration) n make time meaningful..all the best...
ji bhai, thanks for the advice
some people find meaning in everything that happens around. like if upsc is maintaining uncertainty on result date, then it must be to test our patience.
the same people would also explain any misfortune as bad karma from previous births.
can't we just agree that some things are just absurd? that they don't have any explanation. that they must not be explained, or else, they become meaningful, which they weren't really. they happen because they happen. they have no preceding cause.
like the upsc result date... they don't announce the result date beforehand because they don't announce it. it's just their whim.
@Caesarsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir was thinking the same, they dont sit in the morning like we need to test students patience, so lets delay the result
@zombielandsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir aspirants can find meaning in anything. in prelims exam they will put emphasis on smart study. read selectively. if questions come from these materials, then it is called by them as "smart study". if questions r out of these selective materials then "U" in UPSC is called unpredictability.
People can find meaning in all the questions. just read comment section below questions papers at insight. they will give links of some newspaper to show how these questions were in news. newspaper ranges from hindu to express to down2earth to al-zajeera.
if upsc is delaying result then they r checking patience of candidate. in service such qualities r needed.
mtlb upsc kuch bhi kare uska bohot deep meanong log nikal lenge. Pre ka paper random bna denge toh woh isliye krte h kyuki service m randomness se deal krna hota h. mtlb kuch bhi...
bhai woh log sarkari karmchari hain. cse jaise 20 aur exam conduct krna hota h. hmare liye result day special hoga. unke loye normal day h. isliye stop making meaning out of their each action.
yes, have seen insights' comments section below mains question papers. they seem to say as if the questions were all very obvious. quoting hot topics and producing a relation between that topic and some question. for every hot topic they have quoted, 10 more hot topics may be quoted from which question didn't come.
but in hindsight, everything seems obvious. in hindsight we bash nehru for this or that mistake which seems obvious to our current pm. but things must not have been that obvious at that time.
@Behemothsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
what you all are doing for interview preparation in case you make it to the personality test ??
reading books, as a hobby. read something funny today:
"We are forever moaning about corruption in our country—we are amongst the ten most corrupt nations of the world. Corruption is all-pervasive; there are no miracle cures for a disease which has afflicted our society for ages. But we can find solace in the fact that things are much worse in Pakistan, our closest neighbour and chief rival. There also seems to be a significant difference between the patterns of corruption in the two countries. In India, the creamy layer of the government, the judiciary and civil service, is comparatively clean. It becomes murky in the middle, and it is in the lower ranks that corruption becomes rampant … In Pakistan, it is the other way round. The top layer is massively corrupt; the middle and lower layers are less corrupt. Also, they have more corruption-related violence than we have. We indulge in character assassination; they dispense with niceties like characters and just get down to assassination."
Khushwant singh
@Behemothsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir Some interesting books?? Recently I picked up "The monk who sold his ferrari".
yes yes, recently i read 'mother night' by kurt vonnegut. slim book of about 170 pages. mindblowing and so interesting with lots of humour.
@vvvikas0078212said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@CaesarThey will ask what sort of books. Fiction/ non fiction. Why fiction or non fiction. Latest book you have read. Your favourite author? If Indian, then they may ask something related to him. Like if u say Arundhati Roy, they may ask about Naxal controversy. They usually don't go into literary aspect, unless koi literature vala na baitha ho. Baki risky to saari hobbies hi hai. You should prepare min 25-30 questions on each hobby you write.
have nothing else to say@Caesarbhai.
@ManchesterUnitedsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@Jayson_BourneBecause even if people with “humanitarian” views agree or not non Islamic religions have been persecuted historically in Pak and Bangla equal to ethnic cleansing and lakhs of them have no one to turn to except India!
Yes I second the concerns of Assamese for sure,they are the worst affected demographically.
But not the concerns of Indian citizens of a particular faith taking to streets outside NE and burning things like goons and chanting shit!
but it's also true that different islamic sects too have been persecuted historically in pak and bangla, like ahmadiyas. also, as kaushik above says, people have suffered persecution not only on the basis of religion but also on the basis of language. so why give priority to religious persecution and not even take into consideration the linguistic persecution?
and by granting indian citizenship to non-muslim illegal immigrants, the question arises whether india is a hindu haven (majorly)? to me, people of different religions but who are of this country are more important than people of my religion but who are from other countries.
and if our fellow hindus can celebrate this bill because it grants persecuted hindus from these countries citizenship, then our fellow muslims too can protest this bill because it doesn't grant persecuted muslims from these countries citizenship.
this discrimination is most palpable in north east where after nrc, the ineligible hindus will get citizenship inspite of failing in nrc, while muslims won't be able to do so.
so in north east, there are two protests: one is by the ethnic communities there who fear that their social, economic and cultural identities is at stake after this citizenship bill (they want it repealed in toto). and the other is by the muslims who are protesting the discriminatory nature of cab (they want the discriminatory part repealed).
@ManchesterUnitedsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir Religious persecution and sectoral conflicts are different!
Will any country grant asylum to Dalits of India because the way they are treated everyday?
Terrorists in Pakistan bomb their own schools,if thats the case whole Pakistan needs asylum.
how is religious and sectoral persecution different? because i think that in both cases, the suffering is similar. in both cases, the persecuted people are hounded out of their homes, beaten, killed and chased out of sight. in both cases, it's their lives which is at stake and both need safe asylum.
and regarding dalits, it only shows our hypocrisy that although we don't have enough decency to treat our fellow countrymen with grace, but we are so wide-hearted that we will open our gates to those who are suffering outside. yeah yeah...
@Ravssaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
Lagta hai history optional hai aapka.
Anyways, 1949 se pehle ki baat mat karo bhai, constitution aane ke baad ki baat karo.
Shaheed Bhagat Singh fought against a Non-democratic government. Usko aaj ke protests se compare mat karo.
ravs ji, more than fighting against non-democratic government, bhagat singh was fighting against exploitation.
"But in order to be correctly understood we must explain it further. Let us declare that the state of war does exist and shall exist so long as the Indian toiling masses and the natural resources are being exploited by a handful of parasites. They may be purely British Capitalist or mixed British and Indian or even purely Indian."
-- bhagat singh
aur exploitation toh aaj bhi hai, bhale hi government democratic hai...
@Ravssaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
Log yahan discussion ko alag direction mein le jaakar apni knowledge dikhaate hain. Yeh maine pehle bhi kaha tha.
Mudde se bhatak gaye ho aap log...
Political accountability ensure karne ke "tareeke" pe charcha kar rha tha main.
Protests are wrong.
Constitutional means are right.Bass yehi kehna tha.
GRETA KI TARAH AAP LOG BHI CHILL KAREIN.
koi old fashioned movie bhi bataiye chill karne ke liye
@Hermione_Granger said inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@MadamSir he was using his name pejoratively.
yes, agree. but the thrust of his comment was not to question capability, but to only show similarity of thinking process with the people he named.
@LightYagamii think constitutional provisions are being fulfilled.
reasonable classification is allowed under right to equality, art 14. and persecuted religious minorities are justifiable reasonable classification, although we'll have to wait for what the sc has to say.
regarding secularism, the provisions in art 25-28 are subject to the provisions of part 3 of the constitution, that is fundamental rights, and again reasonable classification applies to it. it was what indu malhotra said in her dissenting judgement in sabarimala case. that right to equality cannot be the sole benchmark to ascertain whether provisions of art 25 are violated or not.
and regarding international peace, it takes two hands to clap. if nehru failed to stop indo-china war, and thus unable to secure international peace, is he thus to be blamed for violating constitution? if pakistan were to attack us because the recent move in kashmir, would you say that we shouldn't have taken that move because it doesn't secure international peace? we do what we have to do within constitutional limits.
@Katsumotohector and the search for happiness
@DKTjab chitragupta chitra gupta ho gya toh mujhe lga ki wo hi bandi ban ke ayega idhar... lekin ye toh kuchh aur ho gya
@ManchesterUnitedsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@CaesarPreemptive strike by pro CAA people!
brother, the problem with this is that there might be people who won't have valid documents but who nonetheless are indians. as they are indians and not immigrants from ban-af-pak, they won't get respite through cab even. what would the government do to them?
before introducing cab, the government should have created a safe and full-proof register of people's identities. without that, egregious errors are inevitable.
@ManchesterUnitedthat brings the second problem with the picture you shared. 'were you persecuted just for your religion?' asks one of the box.
as you know, there isn't any document to prove that the person was religiously persecuted or not. so, even if sections of religous minorities from the three countries came to india for reasons altogether different than religioius persecution, say economic factors -- even then, they would claim that they were religiously persecuted to get indian citizenship.
again, lack of any valid document to prove persecution would be misused, don't you think so?
which creates a sense that cab is being introduced to grant citizenship to the six communities based only on their religion, because that's the only thing that can be proved.
We are still, what we learn in political science, a prismatic society. A society where tradition and modernity coalesce to produce modernisation of tradition. So we witness such ascriptive identities as caste, gender or religion providing the basis for our modern polity. And the consequence is their politicisation.
This traditional way of making the world meaningful through those identities has not only been institutionalised but is pervasive in our attitudes too. Our mind has still not forgotten the habit of deducing from who people are by birth to what they are worth. As a result, our society is a status society, still a feudal one.
And in any such society where modernity is still nascent, where law is not impersonal but is often bent to personal ends, where the force of the state can be commandeered by those etched in the state machinery — there emerges a nobility of the powerful. This nobility is the very law unto itself in an otherwise lawless land. It presides over the fate of many, acting as a putative god.
It’s then the desire to become a member of this nobility, to not become a potential victim of anarchy, to become powerful in a power-driven society, which explains why many of our families want us to get into the services. It’s the reason why although UPSC is just an examination, clearing it is considered a victory over fate.
It’s all in the reward which passing this examination accrues, that makes the endeavor worthwhile.
@Caesarsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
@Phooooofor once I thought it was a critique of our political culture
yes, it is in a way, though more broader than political culture. it's about our society. and what we desire is a function of what society we live in. so a critique of our society also explains our own desires in a way.
With all due respect, sometimes forum exhibits mob mentality. Elevating one to a legend and relegating the other to misery over an argument. It is akin to a debate where the audience cheers one speaker and boos the other. That is why a generous host asks the audience to be civil even when any side makes apparently ludicrous claims. Don't cast aspersions on anyone's character and make him sore for his argument. Arguments come and go, but we live all the while.
In matters of love, women feel entitled. Unrequited love is not for them to pine, but for men. They choose any man to love, and anticipate of being reciprocated with a surety. The irony would have been comic, had men belied women's anticipation; but the fact to contrary, it's tragic.
Men should be as good as women in rejecting each other.
@kochikaamebhai aap jaise philosophical word ka use kiye hain, waise toh ye gaali lag rhi hahahah... lekin hota toh hai aisa. aur god forbid agar kisi ladke ne ladki ko reject kar diya toh ladki toh aise dekhti jaise ladke ne newton ke law ko reject kar diya, earth ko flat bol diya... hahahaha...
@kochikaamebhai bahut heavy heavy baat kar gaye aap.
it's not to say that i deny it. i am not discounting the struggle and suffering of women.
but we can create space to make fun of their idiosyncrasies nonetheless.
aur mai toh galti se bhi pyaar ki ganga ke paas nahi jaata, haath dhone bhi nahi. haha ... upsc ki train derail ho jayegi.
By the way
PM Modi must be the most vilified prime minister in the history of our country. Portraying him as India's Hitler and what not.
How strong our democracy is, has come to be measured by how virulent the dissent is, more apt if it comes out of JNU. But an important measure of democracy has to be the capacity to accept the outcome of elections when anyone opposed to you wins. The anti-BJP parties and allied hucksters would not concede that. They are day-in day-out demanding azadi. But haven't they heard yet that freedom is a state of mind hah...
The government is ever in protest-dousing mode as the protesters have made protests as part of their daily routine. So that they protest against nationwide-NRC which is not in place yet, and against CAA which is discriminatory becauseaisa lag toh rha hai
@Kira0705Hi, if at any time you feel that my words are pungent, know that I would have spoken them in a very soft manner. Now,
About vilification: please recognize the spirit of my statement. I was not comparing. You are reducing my argument to absurdity by doing so. I said 'MUST BE the most vilified' which is a way to tell that it is a supposition which seems to be true. And by your comparison, it is still not evident that Modi is not the most vilified. You are just saying that others too have been vilified, but who is the most vilified? Too much nitpicking for my taste.
Portraying Indira Gandhi as Hitler can never have good reasons. With all that she did, she was not Hitler even by far stretch. Portraying her so only exposes the imaginative bankruptcy of her critics.
Yes there should be consensus, but it cannot be obtained if there isn't. And if there is no consensus, should the country be on standstill till the time that we arrive at a consensus? That is why laws are passed by majority and not through consensus. Consensus is almost impossible to attain.
On the one hand, people say dissent is the touchstone of democracy. And on the same hand, they say there should be consensus in democracy huh...
The safeguard of rights of minorities is really an indicator of the strength of secularism. But it also is the responsibility of minorities not to be swayed by the mendacious propaganda by opportunists. The opportunists who quote Sachar Committee only to portray Muslims as victims, but not doing anything to improve their lot. In fact, to let them be 'in gutter if they want to be' (Arif Mohammad Khan)
Yes protests are not new, but protest against imaginary acts, and against acts which the protesters haven't even taken the pain to read about, are surely a novelty.
Oh my, oh my
Now that the Kangaroo court has issued its judgement, we hope that it won’t delay much in deciding what is to be done with the bigots. It was never a life worth living, but such delay mars our will to live.
Also, very deferentially, with our torso bending as much as Amit Shah bends his to Modi ji, we seek to be shown clemency, that is, if it’s possible. We are sure that this august court which is the fountainhead of everything humane, does believe in the idea that the erring ones can learn not to err. To wit, that the condemned are capable of expiation.
As a proof of the realization of our mistaken ways, and the consequent willingness to eschew them, we intend to put before the hon’ble court a very encouraging development: we have discovered that our souls have been caged by this government. So we are very eager to demand our azadi.
If this court would be lenient enough to allow us to accompany our saviors who have gathered in the sacred places of ramlila maidan, barricades and so on, and from there are demanding azadi for us fallen mortals — if we are allowed, we shall make gongs of our vocal cords, and shall consecrate the occasion holy with our ceaseless blare.
Some of us are even saying that India’s soul which, as a matter of fact, got lost after 2019 election, can be recovered back through devoted pilgrimage to the shrine of JNU. And many of us have agreed.
We understand that the words of a condemned lot is contemptible, but without us, would not justice itself lose its relevance? Without us unjust beings, would you not too, o judges, become unemployed?
As an aside, as you justices are personages with too much content and too less conceit, it is our expectation that a joke at your expense would not ruffle you too much.
@kochikaamewahi. isse pehle toh budhiya maai ke karan arjun bhi aa gaye the.
@BulbulSendon't feel sad man. time moves in spirals. so that our future happiness will erase out our present misery. can even make it beautiful in retrospect.
by the way, i really recommend you to watch 'after life' by ricky gervais. a mini-series of 6 episodes each 30 minutes. funny, sweet, heartbreaking and overall very uplifting.
what brilliance!
@kochikaameall the best kochi for whatever you do in future. aap jahan bhi jayenge, apna parcham lahrayenge.
