@prowesssaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
Q.No.-1) The Arthashashtra says "one wheel alone does not turn and keep the cart in motion". Comment. (10marks - 150wrds)
Pls post your answer as well....I would like to contribute.
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebean
Hi mam! Great to see you back.Pub ad junta in forum missed you a lot.
Waise have you appeared for interviews this year?
Thank you@mahi2501.I missed Forum too .
Nahi nahi... I’m happy with my job.
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebean
Okey.. Please help us out. Was not able to clear past mains hurdle in last 3 attempts..Pub ad being an important drag.Aapse bahut kuch seekhna.
I’m here to help you guys out. Whatever best possible I can do. Don’t know if you remember the pub adm answers thread which I started. You guys post your answers atleast so that I know whether the problem is there in content or presentation. Also I’ll share my answers with flowcharts n diagrams.
@Unicornsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
Great to see you again mam@doodlebeanand who doesn't know about your thread it's a goldmine..people still follow it with great faith..hope with your comeback you ll instill a greater energy in all of us.
Roger that! That’s the plan
@Yo_Yo_Choti_Singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@prowessI will write this in 3 4 parts
Intro - Kautilya in his seminal treatise Arthashastra mentions the statement to highlight importance of coordination and cooperation in various organs of the government and governance.
Body- As per Kautilya
Chariot of governance can't run without coordination and cooperation of multiple departments/actors/aspects of governance.
King alone can't govern. He needs cooperation of CoM and other angas (total 7) for proper governance.
If this is not done sooner or later governance will fail >>there will be Kopa/anger in public + Matsaya Nyay (anarchy and rule of force) >>the king will be at the ultimate receiving end.
Relevance of these wisdom words of kautilya today -
(Link here with all possible things in Current times like impact of emergency decision by Indira Gandhi without CoM will or Multi actor governance era of today or Success of flagship scheme depends on cooperation of silos working deptt integration or recent approach to tackle naxalism with cooperation of all rather than only one wheel ie center govt/army or GST council etc etc)
Conclusion- Thus we can say that synchronized movement of all wheels alone can move chariot of governance, development and trust with not just better balance but also with better speed, in desirable direction and for reliable assured journey.
Amazing draft...this is exactly how I would have drafted this answer... guess this is even better
@prowessyour query already answered. Pls support the answer with a nice diagram/flowchart. If you’re finding it difficult I can draw one and post. Let me know...
@prowesssaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@Yo_Yo_Choti_Singhcongrats sir for rank 104
ur hardwork & perseverance paid well...
topper from pubad yuhooooo
please do share ur strategy with us
Congratulations. Welcome to Bureaucracy.
@IWRA
Guess there’s less presence here on the thread but many people following this as silent spectators. What we can do is to take up discussion Paper wise or Chapterwise maybe... Somebody can post questions and answers as well and we can contribute by suggesting amendments in content or presentation whatever the case maybe... also we can post our answers intermittently.
@prowess
Let me post one diagram based on above answer. Maybe that will give you a hint.
@prowesssaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanmam care to tell us how to make diagrams in pub ad answers.. taking the example of first (kautilya's) question. please teach us the art of linking question/theory with present times and drawing diagrams.
ps: I'm a beginner n managing pub ad on my own. so please care to enlighten me.
@IWRAsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanyes. Good idea ma'am.
Although less presence might be due to upcoming prelims.
But a minimum level of pub ad can be done in a day despite that. Other will benefit from the approach, linkages aspect.
So, yes let's set the ball rolling.
2018 Pub ad paper can be the starting point. What say?
Good idea. Pls post the question paper here for reference ....
@Zohanmukharjee
‘When you can do a common thing in an uncommon way; you will command the attention of the world.’ George Washington Carver
@prowess
Start with 2018 question paper. Paper 1 Question 1. Whatever the quality of content be. Start making flowcharts n diagrams as well. Improvement is bound to come with each passing day. We ( me ,@IWRA,@Yo_Yo_Choti_Singh) will add and elaborate wherever the need be. Best wishes.
@prowess
It’s a good attempt provided the parent question be ‘scope of public administration’....read the question again. Don’t you think the parent question is discipline being boundary less or not??
What makes that 20 percent difference between toppers and others is understanding the question properly .... like You’re communicating with the examiner through your answer- ‘I can only see what you wanted me to see.’
@prowess
Make one more attempt please. Then I’ll suggest amendments. Believe me it’s a process and in the end you’ll turn out victorious. A day will come when I’ll be amazed at your drafting capabilities.
@pubadmn
You’ve actually touched the soul of the question. Good work. However even if the content is good you haven’t elaborated it well. If I were to correct your sheet then goodness on content will balance out with poor presentation. Hence average marks.
P.s I may sound rude. But believe me my mentor was brutal. That’s how I learnt.
@Bhagat-singh
First part answered very well. Infact you’ve given me a new perspective to look at the question.
Second part ( which is the major part) - unsatisfactory.
@prowess
I’m waiting for your refined answer.
I’ll post my take on the questions discussed and answered all day (everyday) in evenings - post Office. Best wishes everyone. We will rock
@Bhagat-singh
I’ll post my answer in evening . Till then you start working on second question .
@prowess
So I went through all the answers. Let’s break the question into two points which have the most emphasis-
-‘determined by what an administrative system does’
-‘scope of the discipline is boundaryless?’
When they ask what an administrative system does -then don’t you think we should trace the evolutionary history of the discipline like one among you very correctly did.
While tracing the evolutionary history from NPA to NPG we can witness that the scope of the discipline is continuously evolving and the boundaries changing. Like we can truly witness a stage from a lot of boundaries to more n more boundaries getting dissolved till we reach NPG which is the current stage and still evolving.
@IWRAsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
Brilliant. This is the level of clarity we need
Bhagat Singh's concluding lines of "vacillating periphery, but stable core" will do the balancing act.
Absolutely
@Unicorn
I guess it’s necessary. Who knows whether your answer will be read from first to last alphabet. Sometimes those who are evaluating emphasise more on key words. However unjust but this is how it is.
Your answer is good especially that core periphery part. But since word limit is too restricted we need to address the core (emphasis of the question) - evolutionary aspect rather than subject matter view , posdcorb etc
I’ll share someday my evolutionary history as well
. The kind of diagrams I used to make in initial days. I can assure elated you’ll feel witnessing what daily practice has done to my thought process and diagrams. Same goes for you too..... mark the date. We will talk after 6 months.
@Bhagat-singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@IWRA@doodlebeanMam i face prblm in breaking the ques in parts. In all 3 mains i hv faced this prblm and so i havent clrd mains once. Even for those ques which i have good content i dnt how to approach it, how to break it in parts.
Also i hv one doubt while writing in points do we need to just mention the point or shld we also explain tht point. . Example- Rti will increase transparency.
Is this enough or do i need to also write how rti will increase transparency. Likewise for every point in the ans.
Start breaking the question in parts and posting it here. Let’s address this problem. Start with 2018 question paper. Ho jaayega. Itna badha issue nhi hai. Don’t worry. Hindi mein translate kar liya karo question ko mann mein. This is the trick. Pata chal jaayega emphasis kaha hai.
For your second query. Question par depend karta hai totally. I’ll keep this in mind. Will address your query in due process.
@Hakunah_Matatasaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanNow I can relate where I lagged. When I read this question the only thing that came to my mind is Waldo's view of oscillating periphery and stable core and the claims from different disciplines that Public Administration belonged to their sub set.
I messed up my optional.May be you could become my knight in shining armour.
Haha... I’m so mesmerised with the kind words that you’ve used.Thank you. But this Knight may go someday, my transfer orders are waiting for MCC to get over. Till then I want you guys to participate in maximum number and ask as many queries as you want to. Yaha se 10 ka bhi selection ho jaayega to mera aana safal ho jaayega. Best wishes.
YOU CAN
Who says it’s a poor attempt. That’s exactly how I’d have attempted. Little bit of presentation and you’re good to go.
@doodlebeansaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@AryaStark19
It’s gonna be alrightGuys...
Second question tomorrow... looking forward to your answers. We need to complete this paper in 10 days.
@IWRASir aapki help chahiye hogi
@mahi2501
Some flowchart or Diagram. A quote here n there.
@IWRA
Sir Sir Sir
@prowess
One answer daily with all the effort, detailing and diagrams. One month tops. 30 answers that’s it and you’ll visualise the change yourself.
@Neyawn
We can. We will.
P.s minus the bakar thread
@Unicorn
Always here to help you. I’v suffered a lot alone in this grinding process. I know how it feels and I can assure you will not feel alone till the time I’m here. Outside this thread even otherwise if you feel low anytime during the process or want to share something I’m available to give a patient hearing and necessary advice. Take good care.
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@Unicorn
I too will be regular here..@doodlebeanshould be awarded as the best forumite.. Thank you mam
Well! A Dairy Milk Silk won’t harm on your selection
@Hakunah_Matatasaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
I will be evaluating only if I have atleast five answers here . No shortcuts to success . You cannot just read the answers and consider yourself trained . Buck up guys ...
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@Bhagat-singhrequest entity too large bol raha
Thodha dur se photo khheech ke use crop kar do... ho jaayegi upload.
@Hakunah_Matatasaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanfor once I thought that the quality of my answer is so bad that you are not even willing to comment on it.
Aisa kabhi ni hoga
Just came back. Will get back to you tomorrow morning with evaluation and my answer. Good job guys. Keep up the good work.
@Hakunah_Matatasaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
Justice done in second part. Job well done. Conclusion is impressive. However not able to understand relevance of first part of your answer. Looks like you were short of words so scribbled something from Weber for the sake of it. When you have so much to write for this answer then why to waste words on something irrelevant to thr question asked.
@Redsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
This is how I like my answers to be... TO THE POINT- no deviations. As it was a ‘Comment’ question so you’ve aptly not attempted any analysis. However more explanation is required. Mujhe do baar padhna padha to understand whether you’ve covered the demands of the question- examiner nahi padhega.. katai!!
@Bhagat-singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
You can be the next pub adm topper. Do I need to say more
P.s work on handwriting n presentation.
@prowesssaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
Could have explained your diagram more. Your diagram is just a diagram. No explanations given in answer. It can turn out to be a blunder.
@ADIsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
Some good content in answer but where’s the explanation for your diagram. Believe me it’s not self understood and more pain you’ll give to examiner to understand your answer more ‘majdoori’ he’ll deduct from your marks.
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
https://ibb.co/Vm3RhpC
https://ibb.co/NK4h8cQHere is my answer..
Sorry I was unable to directly add photos
Okkk... so first things first. In a 150 words answer you’ve mentioned other thinkers and Weber got sidelined. Examiner har baar poora answer nhi padhta . I’v read 6 answers and now I’m searching for keywords, explanations n diagrams (explanation for diagrams) ... you attempted the graphic presentation Very Well but invested the time for explanation in Simon despite it being a ‘comment’ question only .@Bhagat-singhto pls take note.
PSU example was a smart move. Kudos to that!!
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanmam directives me confusion hot.... Analyse aur comment me kya difference hai..
If the directive was analyse what difference it would have made to the answer?
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanbeautifully explained... Thank you...
But do we have time in exam to draw such crafted diagrams?
And I was wondering abhi tak ye kyu ni poocha kisine
After practising around 350 diagrams... it takes not more than 1 minute to draw a diagram for me . One nicely explained diagram channelise your thought process and cuts down time to attempt the explanation as well. You just have to see the diagram and explain. So little effort in practice and you getting good marks....not a bad deal I guess.
@Bhagat-singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanthank u mam for ur kind words. Learning a lot from you and others on this platform.
Mam wat is diffrence between NPG and good governance
Out somewhere . Will get back to you on this .
@doodlebeansaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@Bhagat-singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanthank u mam for ur kind words. Learning a lot from you and others on this platform.
Mam wat is diffrence between NPG and good governance
Out somewhere . Will get back to you on this .
Aaj election ki aap logo ki bhi chhutti hai kya yaa done with answer writing?? Bore ho gye pub adm se??
If you guys want to resume post prelims then let’s do it post prelims.
@IWRAsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@prowesseverything you wrote is right, but it is not a direct answer to what has been asked.
The introduction is coming from very far, not required for 10 markers. Make it crisp, short.
Clearly talk about efficiency and rationality...it should come out vividly and visibly in your paper. It will improve your marks
Since question directive is comment, you can share your alternate views also in the end...like bureapathology, unintended consequences, red tapism etc..can talk about works like adhocracy( Alvin Toffler), end of bureaucracy thesis ( Bennis) as the argument why efficiency is not intertwined with rationality.
Approach of Bhagat Singh in that context is best.
Sir aap aa jaate hai to bahut help ho jaata hai
@Bhagat-singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanMam what is the difference between NPG and GG
Yeah ... you mean New Public Governance and Good Governance ??
@Bhagat-singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanyes mam
Technically I don't find any ... However NPG was the starting point which led to GG .. both given by Osborne . GG was a wider adaptation to NPG diluting more boundaries , including more boundaryless organisations . You can switchover between the two while answering your questions except when the terms have specifically been used in the question .
@mahi2501
Thanks for the help mahi ...
Let some more answers come . Will evaluate them together .
@Bhagat-singhsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeanthanks mam. Actually i was confused between both as they both looked similar
You're right .. except Osborne everybody else is confused
@mahi2501said inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@Bhagat-singhanswer aaj ka?
Guys once we are done with Question paper we will move to Chapter wise discussion. This might look cumbersome now, I know I can relate. But this will definitely help 6 months down the line. Buck up pls...
@Abdullahsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
I think it is this:
https://discuss.forumias.com/profile/doodlebeana simple graph search at google led me there. Anyway, thanks for this forumias.
Jai Hind.
Just search for Public Administration discussion thread in my profile there.
@doodlebeansaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@Abdullahsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
I think it is this:
https://discuss.forumias.com/profile/doodlebeana simple graph search at google led me there. Anyway, thanks for this forumias.
Jai Hind.
Just search for Public Administration discussion thread in my profile there.
Hello everyone
I was thinking of compiling a book or some material for pub adm
-Chapter wise
-Only flowcharts and diagrams
-Connected to current affairs
You guys have a lot of material. Just practical aspect is lacking somewhere.
Guess by the time you’re done with your prelims you can get your hands on it. If you guys need anything else I can add the same. So that even when I’m not available during your mains you can get benefitted. What say!!
I know you're busy with Prelims but whenever you come across something - some quote or example in newspaper editorial or otherwise which can be used in some pub adm answer do care to share .... more than helping others it will polish your own skills . This will not take much time and atleast I can evaluate . I can assure this will be highly beneficial .
My best wishes to you all . Remember-
The master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried . (that's if you consider me to be master
)
P.s I have started with diagram work ... lets see kitna ho paata hai
@rootsaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
@doodlebeansaid inOfficial Thread for Public Administration Optional - Questions & Answers:
OMG! Is this from your notebook ,@doodlebean?
Hehe
