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[ Official ] How was the Prelims 2021 paper?

@GOT8 u could file representation by today, as both A and B do seem correct now


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@GOT8 did u file a representation for State definition?

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@GOT8 why dont  u do it, with ur given sources, might be helpful.


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@Shubz oh ok. thanks.


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@BhallaRobert yeah, upsc generally gives such statements correct, coz saying its "may not" release is an absolute statement and likely wrong, and while saying it "may" release keeps options open, and is likely correct.

My only confusion is wrt right to city question, almost all coaching, forum to vision gave it 1 and 2 only with reference to some sources, but an article posted here could say otherwise. Any strong idea about the right answer?


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 if Q can be cancelled(as claimed by some over 2020),do you guys think pressure cooker one will most likely be coz its a misprint(weight of lid instead of weight on lid) ? Otherwise, it'll be 1 and 2. I dont think it can be 1,2,3 due to the misprint. 


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@Guesswhoshere whistle weight is part of lid ,isn't it .it comes attached


both types of pressure cookers are there. But i guess the common standard ones do have removable whistle weights. 




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Meanwhile, the pressure cooker



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@BhallaRobert i agree with all, except the Right to City coz almost every key says 1 and 2, citing various sources and explanations. But yeah, i did see an article which says otherwise. But yeah only confused wrt that, rest of Q, im at peace

It'll be comical for him and sad for me, if his 20min video explaining this concept is false.          
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I wish all people substantiate their arguments like you. haha.

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@Guesswhoshere some guy on some other platform was telling with confidence that this was a trap by UPSC :P i mean this question 


It was. Trapped him. lol.

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this is given in ncert, still let upsc decide but must probably it will be B

tumhare muh main ghee shakkar

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State is a political organisation not a community of people right? Anyway, i marked B thinking this. Let it be. We will know when we know. 
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State wala question me option A and B are verbatim of political theorists.


A is of Garner and B of Bluntschli


Ab i will tell u the problem


In Option A upsc has removed the line where garner says that there has to be ‘ Habitual obedience’ from citizens


in Option B upsc has added on its own ‘ natural rights ‘ and ‘ means of sustenance’


ab dekhlo kaunsa answer hoga

No.option a is given by garner but in option b first part is by blutschli and law and order,natural rights,means of sustenance were definitions of state given by other scholars.its in a nios lesson.

send the screenshots of this nios doc u are referring to

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@bhuvanamalar1015412 used same reasoning and marked 3 only. 
counting it as wrong (but have a feeling that it might turn out to be right)

https://legodesk.com/legopedia/intestate-succession-and-inheritance-under-hindu-law/ there were two types of succession under mitakshara.only in joint property sons get birth right but in a property acquired by father they don't get birth right .I feel now 2 is certainly wrong .

so acc to you, answer is 1 and 3 or 3 only? 

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@BhallaRobert Scores were scaled to 200. So, effectively 92.57 meant 90.7 out of 196. (92.57*196/200). Thus, even if you add 2 marks cutoff would have been more or less the same. Expect it to be in the 90-92 band this year as well. 


correct.

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@bhuvanamalar1015412 In 2018, in this same forum blog, we were all discussing about the toughness and different pattern in the paper compared to previous years. Many were expecting the cutoff to be 90 and not more than that. But in the end the cutoff was 98. Whatever the toughness or difficultly, somehow people will get 90+ through luck or hardwork. Don’t expect cutoff to get below 90 in this competition era and decreasing amount of vacancies. If one is sure of getting less than 85, he/she should relinquish the hopes of clearing pre


In the same forum, people were discussing cutoff to be more than 100 last year and it went down to 92. The thing is everyone is inflating score by taking that key which is giving them maximum marks and then counting those positive which they find it here and there. Remove these 9-10 answers and surely most will come down to below 90. So everyone who is getting 80-100 is safe and unsafe at the same time and should continue studies. 5 questions in your favor and your score will go up by 13 marks from 82 to 95. 

reminded me of Shrodingers Cat experiment. The Box will open in a week, and only then we will know which kitties are alive and which are dead. Till then, as you said, safe and unsafe at the same time.

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@prachimalik1121311 wow that escalated fast. sorry if i offended you somehow. i know tensions are running high and people are on edge. but i was just settling the question


"unsettling" the answer was more like it. Lol. Kidding. 

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Regarding the Indus question, I have 2 questions. You can add your suggestions.

Q. "With reference to the Indus river system, of the following four rivers, three of them (1)pour into one of them which joins the Indus direct. Among the following, which one issuch river that joins the (2)Indus direct ?"


It says'pour into', does it say 'meet' ? Pour should means 'drains into'.

Does it say three of them pour one by one ?

What do you mean by"direct". Chenab river firstly meets other rivers. how it can be direct ? Hindi Translation says " Jo sindhu nadi seyseedhi milti hai".  

http://117.252.14.242/rbis/basin%20maps/indus_about.htm

we Jhelum peeps have nothing to contribute to this question. 

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Book : The History of India - Britannica Educational Publishi.pdf  (pg 311)


This will definitely my last comment in this thread. Guys, I am scoring well enough , but used to come here after writing mains mock answers. You people are good. 

on ending note I want to say that my Arcot Question also turned wrong. Answer isNotA. I am quoting the source from where it is taken. Please search "Arcot" in it. You will find the word "emerged" and Nawab. 

right ans kya hai acc to the source?

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@Strugglehard British model ka there are decent number who are going with A. Puri sir also gave answer as A in hus explanation. 


saw his explanation just now, interesting twist

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Book : The History of India - Britannica Educational Publishi.pdf  (pg 311)


This will definitely my last comment in this thread. Guys, I am scoring well enough , but used to come here after writing mains mock answers. You people are good. 

on ending note I want to say that my Arcot Question also turned wrong. Answer isNotA. I am quoting the source from where it is taken. Please search "Arcot" in it. You will find the word "emerged" and Nawab. 

So answer would be 2 only right??

our goal is to make 2 and 3 right. lol. keep digging.

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to my surprise, it’s actually 2 and 3 ! 


haha, you're kidding right? 

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no man ! I have spoken to a history professor. He has shared some write up. It’s clearly mentioned that Ali Muhammad got Back katehar due to Ahmad shah Abdali invasion and then he changed the name to rohilkhand. 


The word “ formed “ in the third statement is making it different from the first two statements. 

oh man i really hope that's the case, im sitting on edge around 90-92 GM. Hoping any one doubtful question goes my way(though so far, all are expected to go against me). 

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next charcha: Right to City 1 and 2 confirmed hai ya nahi? 
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federalism ka toh saaf saaf likha h laksmikant me. KI "independence ofjuduciary" is a feature. ye bhi doubtful hai??


Laxmikanth main "Bicameralism" bhi diya hai . Both are features of federalism, but the Q is which is more essential. Most likely A hi hai, but B can't be 100% ruled out as its a matter of interpretation in end. Its subjective. 

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@Guesswhoshere sab UT ka represenatation nahi h parliament me..


UT is not linked to federalism. UT are under Centre. States are constituent units(India is Union of States)

PS i still think A is likely answer, please everyone dont worryyyy.

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who is saying this? who is godi media? trustworthy source?

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Expected result date wale telegram channel ka link ya naam bta do pls

send it to me too pls

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@Denisovan2019 😂😂😂😂i marked Jhelum in Indus question I am still thinking why 🤣🤣


haha finallyyy. I thought I am the only one who did this remarkable act. Only silver lining of marking jhelum is not losing hair and sleep finding the answer between satluj and chenab.

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@Guesswhoshere i marked jhelum too. sahi h na jhelum?


 i mean, rivers change course all the time, in past, Jhelum could have directly flowed into Indus. The Question doesn't mention the geological time-period clearly. Question may be cancelled. Lmao. 

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I just learnt that 2021 exam was prank exam..real exam will be held on oct 31..😎

wow, you dont know how to keep a secret do you? It was a "SURPRISE". Thanks for ruining it. 

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guys, stop fighting, lets compromise and agree its Jhelum. Peace.
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@Salwal so what's the answer? Is it Chenab?


as per the latest source, it seems like its Jhelum, surprising.

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Anyone please tell me....in fig tree question of paper 2.....in the passage it's written, that fig trees are present in urban and agricultural landscapes where other large trees are absent. Why can't I say that fig trees grow where other large woody species are absent. 


Option -1,3 and4 is right only.....but statement 2 also has some weight yaar

nope. statement 2 is wrong. one can't assume ki fig trees grow where others dont. 

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@sleeplessnights89 Rank 1 disputed Q (UPSC bhi sochti hogi kya Q banaya... confuse hi kar dia)


they will be forced to choose Jhelum in the end as a compromise. I saw this coming. Go Jhelum

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@prachimalik1121311 appeared like a landmine to me.didn't attempt


yeah i stepped on the landmine, lost 2.67 toes. 

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Is that only me who choose concept of welfare as answer for concentration of wealth? 😐

yes. only you could do such a horrendous act.

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The answers to all the Questions are determined prior to the publication of papers. They deliberate only upon technical errors (translation errors, error in language of Qs (like role of congress in 1823)). It is not that they are discussing answers of our controversial questions. TG groups are baseless now.

This would make sense. Its unlikely that they discuss answers post facto. They aren't answerable they can publish whichever answer they deem as correct and I dont think they are arguing with themselves on what answers to choose, voh aspirants nahi hai.

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6 years of upsc prep, today its either pack up or one final battle. Big stakes.
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Im really nervous. Normally i would buckle up for next attempt if things dont go my way, this time ill have to pack up my books (and have no idea whether to dump them or give them to raddi), empty rented accomodation(in 2 days coz i dont wanna pay november rent) and move back to home. Its gonna be a significant moment. After missing mains cutoff by 3 marks last year, I really wish i get one final chance at this exam. Anyway, life is still gonna be great, happy, productive and merry nonetheless. Thanks for the support shown by many. Wishing the best of us. 
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GOT8said

@Guesswhosherehave faith brother... 

how much u are scoring as per Vision?


havent tallied with many keys, 2 keys i did, i was getting between 90-92 GM. I realised im gonna be borderline, so didnt bother checking many keys. 

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