in that epfo source that you shared, it’s apparent that the notification is applicable to establishments with 20 or more workers only. So it’s clear that it’s not applicable to ALL casual workers. Hence, can we conclude that statement 1 is wrong ? Kindly clarify sir
the question is not actually talking about epfo in general. The question clearly mentions, “ with respect to casual workers employed in India “. So the question is about casual workers in general and not epfo.
I totally agree with you. Pollution itself is a negative concept and hence the word “ lethal “ need not be seen as an extreme statement I believe. Moreover the word “ may “ makes the statement a possibility and hence should be considered correct.
bro the only question from my side regarding casual workers is, why are NCERTs talking about informalisation of workforce ? It’s because all the workers are not having social security coverage. I inferred from those topics that ALL workers ( obviously casual workers are more vulnerable ) are not covered under epf.
I request you to correct me if I’m wrong.
yeah dude entitlement confers a right upon us to claim it. Whereas many casual workers, Especially those working in establishments with less than 20 workers don’t have right to demand epf. Hence first statement is wrong
bro, can we consider 1and3 for pressure cooker ? Weight of the lid vs on the lid changes the entire meaning. Because the question isn’t general and is based on a scientific concept, I guess 1 only should be correct which isn’t given.
In the above two pictures it’s evident that Ahmad shah durrani occupied territories and gave it to Ali Muhammad leading to “ formation “ of rohilkhand kingdom. ( and not emerging as in the case of arcot and Mysore in the first two statements ) hence I feel it should be 2&3.
Kindly correct me if I missed anything
bhai arcot sultanate was established in 1692 whereas Hyderabad state was established in 1724. Arcot become dependent of Hyderabad for sometime that’s it.
bro I have just posted two pics that’s it. There is lot more similar info on the internet.
My only point is, Ahmad shah durrani was instrumental in the formation and consolidation of the kingdom of rohilkhand.
Yeah anyways results are going to be out within a week
moreover, the first Pic that I shared is thr official website of rampur district court
I feel the same. It seems institutes are unable to judge the difficulty level of the question paper correctly. Moreover, as you have mentioned, people are giving contradicting views on many answers but still predicting similar and elevated cut offs.
Guys when the entire Meaning of the 3rd statement is changed, even 1&3 seems to be wrong. 1 only should be the answer which isn’t given. According to me, there are high chances for pressure cooker question to be deleted.
yeah that’s true. But I hope, they cancel the question due to two reasons :
1. the word “ maximum” is missing in the question. The maximum temperature doesn’t depend on temp of the flame ( it’s given in UPPCS 1995 prelims which is being quoted by few people ).
2. Upsc didn’t even copy the question from
that guide correctly. It’s given as weight on the lid in both uppcs as well as that question bank.
So there is a mistake in the question as well as the options. So let’s hope it gets deleted. The worst possible thing is, they ignore the concept as well as generalist approach and just give the answer as 1&2. But that’s meaningless. So let’s see.
All the best
bro, I think there is a difference between coparcenery rights and property rights in general. And from what I have read, mitakshra allowed a woman to have share when father and sons are distributing the property but not coparcenery rights ( that means she can’t demand for a share ). Moreover statement 3 talks about “ property held by “ and not about the property rights of men and women.
how is that ? Statement 3 talks about
properties held by men and women, it’s not about having share in the property.
Let me know if I’m missing any point in that.
You can in the last para of mitakshra. They can be coparceners after 2005 amendment.
And also statement 3 is about properties held by man or a woman and how is it talking about inheritance rights of women ?
exactly. And nobody is focusing on the language of statement 3. It talked about properties held by men and women. It didn’t talk about the property rights or inheritance rights of them. Hence the language itself makes it wrong.
And mitakshra has some property rights for women especially when father and sons are distributing. They can get a share.
Guys, pollution is a negative concept. The spirit of the environmental legislations such as EPA, water act, air act etc is broadly to control pollution. It’s because pollution by nature is lethal. And the statement says, “ May release “ lethal quantities which is highly probable. Let’s not see lethal as an extreme word when pollution itself is a negative concept.
Can you tell me the book name
no man ! I have spoken to a history professor. He has shared some write up. It’s clearly mentioned that Ali Muhammad got Back katehar due to Ahmad shah Abdali invasion and then he changed the name to rohilkhand.
The word “ formed “ in the third statement is making it different from the first two statements.
good chance that it’s going to be 2&3. Never expected that UPSC would play with the language this way !
Yeah bro. Even I was trying to know the correct answer since a week. And I was getting similar info. But after seeing that document, it was more or less clarified that it’s 2&3
Even in my own google search, I found this long ago. This was directly from rampur district court website. And the word “ formed “ is making it different from the first two statements. Emerge is something very specific. Formed can be a little more general. see nizamat of arcot was formed in 1692 whereas state of hyd was formed in 1724. Arcot become dependent on hyd for sometime.
Ohk ok. We need more clarity on this question. By the time we get it, I think results will be out :D
I wanted to ask someone about this. How are people saying that 90-92 is edge ? Or below 90 have less chances etc ? I am not seeing too many people crossing 95/100 even after taking few doubtful questions right. And almost nobody crossing 105 and comfortable with CSAT as well.
Last time I saw many people crossing 110 and even 120-130. And ofc quite a good number of people above 100. But cut off ( even if we consider the questions were not deleted ), didn’t cross 95.
So honestly speaking, this time I guess the cut off is being misjudged.
Yeah that’s what I was saying. The statement given is not about emerging. It’s about formation. See Hindi translation. It’s given as “ ghatan “ which means to build.
Abdali played a role in consolidation of katehar into the kingdom of rohilkhand. examiner played with the language in this question I feel
bro as per me, you should get around 100, because I don’t see any point in taking smelting, magnetite and Chenab as wrong. And epf is 2&3 as per many people that i spoke to, even lawyers and chartered accountants. And see Hindi translation. He gave it as “ hakhdar “ for casual workers which is not true.
And obviously today we are getting some clarity that arcot is 2&3
yeah this is something that I have come to know today. After deleting so many questions, people are quoting scores as less than 90. Something that we don’t generally expect to happen
hey, you seem to be experienced. What do you think about the cut off marks this time ? Do you really see many people scoring above 95/100 ?
Lol. Indeed that’s true man. Either people are scoring in 80s or not sure about CSAT even after scoring above 95.
Guys, honestly speaking, if this is the case where everyone is removing all their doubtful questions and then quoting scores to be between 85-90, then there is less chance for the cut off to go below 90.
Because since morning I have come across 4-5 similar people. They have been quoting scores like 86,88,89 but these are after considering almost 5-6 questions as wrong !
alright. Because you see, we people generally come to know the answers of most of these doubtful questions based on past experience. But this time to my surprise I’m coming across good number of people who are taking all doubtful as wrong ! Something that generally doesn’t happen. This is Probably due to 2020 prelims marks.
yeah actually the thing is, many people were complaining that their marks in 2020 got reduced by 10-15 marks. Even if we consider two deletions, This can happen only if questions like carbon nanotubes, artificial intelligence etc go wrong based on “ best possible option “ principle. In that case, magnetite pollution question is something that has to be doubted this year.
not 11-12 but somewhere 5-6 for sure. They are quoting 86-89 after deleting them. Ofc we can’t say that everyone is calculating that way. But this makes us question our own confidence that cut off is surely going below 90.
Federalism question means that independent judiciary question right ? Is that disputed ? Omg
and regarding article 14, no idea. I didn’t attempt it. It was confusing for me
but this time copper smelting and magnetite questions are much more predictable then AI question of last year. And I feel that it’s D in both the cases without much dispute.
come on yar, as someone said in the morning, if given a chance people are going to dispute right to privacy as well 😛
it seems he is saying it in a jovial way. He meant that, he spoke to many people who are serious aspirants and they are scoring less. Hence cut off can go down to 85.
I personally agree with him indeed. I feel that only those people who are hopeful are commenting here. Most of the people who score well generally are in 80s. A few are crossing 95 and ofc not more than 2-3 above 100.
i don’t think so. There won’t be too many people of this sort. And you can’t trust everybody too as there can be cases where scores are inflated.
Same here. I feel that it’s D because, the word “ may “ in the statement talks about the possibility of such a thing. It’s a sensible statement. I don’t know what UPSC is going to give.
it may release bola na bhai. What if there is a leakage and carbon Monoxide is released. It’s lethal in small quantities actually. It’s far more lethal compared to carbon dioxide.
im scoring decent but applied only for forest service. These questions matter !
Wbu btw ?
we need not take it as incorrect actually. Copper smelting, magnetite, Chenab, epf etc are common sense and ncert based. But things like pressure cooker, Iyengar committee, arcot are quite confusing. Pressure cooker is the most controversial this year as per me.
Institutes are confusing us on those obvious questions as well. That’s the issue
Which questions are dicey in your case ? I mean which can take you to 96 or bring you to 86
Yeah epf is surely right. See Hindi translation. They said “ hakhdar “. Which is wrong. So it’s 2&3.
Yeah every institute is looking at that article which shows that they are eligible. They are not able to discriminate between eligibility and entitlement. And yeah 20 workers or more is also important here.
no idea. I have marked D, but took it wrong. As per me, conceptually it’s 1&3. But weight of the lid doesn’t matter, weight on the lid matters though. So it’s technically 1 only. But I don’t know what UPSC is going to give.
UPSC doesn’t give keys based on Supreme Court verdicts. We need to stick to basics. Moreover, I saw that article only once. And to my knowledge, it shows that there is no discrimination between contract workers and permanent workers.
Yeah that’s probable. But the steam is not pushing the lid up, but it’s pushing that weight we put. So weight of the lid might not matter. But once again, not sure :)
hi, if you don’t mind, may I know how your peers have performed and how many of them are crossing 100 ? And also, have you applied for forest ?
hi, if you don’t mind, may I know how your peers have performed and how many of them are crossing 100 ? And also, have you applied for forest ?
ohk Mayank. And as far as keys are concerned, people are in an opinion that vision is more reliable this time. All the best :)
they are saying “ May”, which shows that they are not pointing at some general rule. Had they said “ they release Lethal quantities of CO as pollutant “, then it’s surely wrong. But they talked about a possibility of such a thing happening
I totally agree with you that maximum temperature is independent of the temp of the flame. But the word maximum is not
mentioned in the question. I raised this point a week ago but it seems you ignored.
Till the temp reaches its maximum in the cooker, temp of the flame matters right ? Because that’s how we are passing on the heat to the cooker. Moreover, does the weight of the lid matter ??
What’s the answer according to you ? 1&3 ? I accept that it’s correct conceptually. But can we say that statement 3 is fine ? Weight of the lid doesn’t matter really I think. Look into this as well, so that we can atleast confirm that D is surely wrong
I genuinely feel that this question should be omitted. Even Devi Lal and palm oil tree are fine to some extent. But the language of this question misguided most of the science students as well. It was unclear
@oopsie yeah
Yeah but when there is a genuine error, why shouldn’t they do it once again and be careful while setting the paper from 2022 !?
yeah, let’s assume that someone by chance knows about Elections in 1989 and 1991. He would obviously eliminate statement 2 first. But are you sure that it’s wrong ?
for cooker ? Hope so bro. But they asked that question based on a concept. Hence there is a high chance for it to be 1&3. But statement 3 is wrong. So let’s see
@oopsie wow man, then it has to be deleted
hey Sushil bro, address this doubt. Are you sure that he didn’t CONTEST from 3 seats in 1991 ?
statement 2 is factually incorrect. That Devi lal contested from three constituencies in 1989 and not 1991 as mentioned in the question. That’s what few people are presenting here today.
data being presented by others shows that he didn’t even contest from three seats. If that data is authentic, the question is wrong
I talked about it before as well. I know that 1&3 are wrong and hence the answer is 2only. But when the statement itself is wrong, upsc can’t give it as right answer na bhai ? But people here are still ascertaining if it’s really wrong. So let’s have some patience
yeah let’s see bhai. While trying to make analytical and difficult questions, it seems they ended up giving wrong questions.
that speaks a lot about the difficulty level of the paper sir. Can you please let me know how are people scoring in your circle and how many around or above 100
ohk sir, that means that most of the experienced people are below 90 and this probably reflects the possible cut off score. Anyways, all the best sir :)
epf, copper smelting and pressure cooker must be those questions which are creating such a huge difference. Right ? But many have opined that toppers key is sensible this time expect for that pressure cooker question.
I had this question too. Because it seems most of the people are scoring well with toppers. And it’s Shankar key and vision key that’s bringing them into danger zone
yeah bro. Look I can’t trust vision too. It gave me 112 in 2019 but ended up getting 102.67. You can’t trust vision too completely.
Honestly speaking, I feel that it’s going to be less than 88. Most of my senior friends are scoring not beyond 90 from any key !
Yeah ofc. Btw there is a considerable difference between toppers key and being ifs key. Both are toppers in prelims btw !
Yes. We can’t just apply theory and predict cut off. Practically, when most of the people in our circle are struggling to cross 100 and just few are in 90s, how can we expect the cut off to be above 90 ?
@monisha27 just google it. Being ifs has their own website
hi, I can understand what you are going through as I experienced a similar failure in 2018. Prelims has finally become a matter of luck than knowledge or hard work. Unpredictability of answer keys is an another factor that’s creating anxiety in everyone. So just remember that everyone here is going through the anxiety and please don’t worry. All the very best :)
btw, if you don’t mind me asking, what’s your probable score ?
Sir as per my sources, the answer is 2&3 for casual workers. I got it confirmed from a person working in epfo since 7years.
It was ncert based bro. Ncert said it was constitutional right. Ncert now says it’s 2&3 as well. It’s about casualisation of workforce and them being outside social security net. Kindly once go through ncert Indian economic development employment chapter.
So I have applied the same logic here. Ncert first. Btw I was the victim of RTV question in 2017.
What do you feel about toppers key bro ? Is getting 100 above with toppers key not so trustworthy as per you ?
hi, May I know what answers you have marked for causal workers, copper smelting and arcot questions ?
yeah I got it sir. But honestly, few answers of vision and Shankar seem to be incorrect. Because I generally look into these ambiguous questions in detail and come to some conclusion. And to my knowledge, vision and Shankar have overthought on few questions :)
if you score 104 after considering as above, you are surely in for ifos I believe. All the best sir :)
do you really think there will be 660 people from UR category all over India in this paper, that too who have applied for ifos and scoring above 105 ?
I’m asking because I don’t have much knowledge about this.
And also, since last 3-4 years we used to see many people in 115-130 bracket. We are not finding even half of that number crossing 100 ! Shouldn’t we consider this for forest cut off ?
guys it’s applicable and also those are eligible. But they are not entitled. SC judgement talks about the establishments with 20 or more workers only. Not everyone
