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[ Official ] How was the Prelims 2021 paper?

a bit late to the discussion but i am curious if people even actually felt the paper was tougher than last year, as the cut-offs of most institutes is 90-95 i.e similar to last year. ALso all the answer key discussions on youtube have the teachers itself getting confused/having alternating opinions but at the same time mentioning that the cut-off could be marginally higher than last year. What am i missing, there seems to be some disconnect. 
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@sunnyleony just suggesting a possibility that maybe the Lender of Last resort in the brackets is intended only w.r.t the the immediate preceding term i.e. long-term loan to banks.


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@oopsie maybe ..... but I would expect their estimates to be backed up by some survey of marks of their students. 

Personally i don't like it when some coaching institutes say there were 45 odd easy question and thus cutoff would be around 90 ... This is very similar to saying that the poverty line is at 20 odd Rs/day simply because they can by rice and dal within 20 rs. Easy/Difficult/Moderate is a bit more nuanced. Anyways this is just a vent, maybe as i feel out of my depth to confidently say i can score >100 in this kind of a paper regardless of my preparation. 

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@Qwertie nah bro ... stuck on the border .. in fact the lower end of the predicted cutoffs .... and as luck would have it am on the minority side of most of the confusing questions ... but what bothers me is even if i would have had the perfect attempt i.e excluding the few silly mistakes i don't see myself scoring above 100 comfortably if the controversial questions don't go my way. Thus the constant question in my head is "Topper Janta kar kya rhi hain ! "


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@Captainnerd don't tell me that this is also a question which is up in the air. Is this year's paper the most w.r.t controversial questions in the recent past.


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@oopsie as much as i do not wish to comment on the merit of the examination process, i definitely feel the exam setters have botched up a bit given so many interpretations/opinions to so many questions prevailing even a week after the examination.

I understand UPSC is supreme, but how could they legitimately claim that granite & schist do not form black soil when evidence to the contrary seems to clearly exist.


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How ethical is it that we sometimes try to defend our answers inspite of commonly accepted facts, given that if we had known/recollected the fact in the exam we might have marked differently in the exam. For Eg : I marked the Montagu question as neither as i forgot the fact that women were given separate electorate. If i had remembered this point I also would have marked the question as b. But even then I would try to vehemently argue my case to justify my answer by referring to various sources/keys which makes me think I am being a bit fictitious. I would think in all probability UPSC would go with commonly accepted facts coinciding with NCERT or basic understanding rather than complex mental gymnastics. This is not an observation of anyone, but purely a self reflection. Wonder how many of us arguing for a particular answer would still have marked their answer if they knew the relevant info.(whilst giving the paper) that they know after giving the test.
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@balwintejas 26th the most probable date for result is it ?


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@GOT8 my understanding would be that they are not the same, but a seperate electorate would have the component of reservation in the way it is implemented. So if women were given seperate electorate, there would be seats reserved for them and only women would be allowed to vote for those seats. So reservation is implicit.


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@GOT8 The reason why Gandhi wanted reservation instead was because a separate electorate would distance the SC community and it would be lead to more divisions going forward.

I understand that there is a differenceb/n Seperate Electorate & Reservations and it may as well be possible that UPSC might also think the same. I am only saying that my marking a particular answer was more a function of not recollecting the relevant fact rather than critically thinking this through in the exam.

PS - Even i want UPSC's Key to say neither of these, so lets hope for the best.


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@BhallaRobert WHy 3 only for LED question ? 


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If there are many people who scored 110 last year but are expecting around 90 this and also the curt off is still expected to be around last year so essentially can we conclude that there were more easy questions and more hard questions leaving less scope for guessing this year. Any other prognosis? 
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@Strugglehard British model ka there are decent number who are going with A. Puri sir also gave answer as A in hus explanation. 


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@PeLhidunga possible.. But ek baar puri sir ka explanation dekh lena.. He has an interesting point. 


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@kohliwag if they give the same question paper will u get a 100% then... I am not sure u will given so many supposedly debatable question


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@balwintejas haha.. Nice observation... But is this amount of speculation specific to this year ki pehle bhi aise hi hua karta tha. 


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@kohliwag or if they want to have make the exam similar to a GK quiz having randomness, they should at least increase the number of questions to 200 or something(along with increased time ofcourse). The more the number of questions, the randomness of people making the cutoff score based on arbitrary guesses would decrease. Or the other option being increase the -ve marking drastically so that people attempt only what they know.


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@Rambo93 they seemed to be the most reasonable in terms of predicted cutoff i.e. 88-92 … all others are like 95(+/-)2 which seems a bit high for this year... 


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@srivalliguru940 hopefully what u say is right .. fingers crossed ... let's see.


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@Rambo93 possibly yes ... but may i ask why u feel the cut-off won't drop as you yourself and many others have indicated that most people who scored >100 in previous years are languishing in the 90's range. I would assume if all high scorers are scoring lower(pretty significantly that too), the cut-off would also be lower.


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@Rambo93 yes I understand the possible variation in marks, but that does not account for the cut-off. Regardless of the variation the cut-off would still lie at a point where 9k students can be selected. The variation in the key would just swap in and swap out population of students around the cut-off. The cut-off itself should ideally just depend on the average expectation of marks of students which is lower this year than other years.

For Eg: Let's say Vision's key is accurate 100%. As per vision's key if people are scoring lesser than last year then i would assume the cut-off would also be lower.


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@WayneRooney ideally seems like you should breeze through. If you don't mind me asking, where there large number of controversial questions last year too ? and how does it compare to this year ? 


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@sleeplessnights89 check out mrunal's article on 2021 analysis. He has mentioned where this question can be found i guess.


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UPPSC Cut off prediction anyone 😜. Maybe uske questions bhi debate kiya jaaye. 


PS : I have not appeared. 

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Want to definitely meet this guy once. Either stud launda hain or gajab hi farzi .... Puchna padega ki kahaan se padta hain....  

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#Rant

The more i keep think about what i could i have done differently in the prelims exam the more i feel that nothing much could have been done. 3-4 silly mistakes which could be avoided, but ye toh sabhi ka hota hain and exam mein mostly unavoidable. Rest 7-8 questions that i could answer correctly were those where i was confused with 2 options, in fact in most cases everyone is. Just that on the given day i chose one option and if i had chosen the other i would have 4-5 marks greater than the supposed predicted cut-off . Yaar i just don't get the exam. Most of all i get irritated when i hear topper's talks saying the same things which i have mostly practiced. I know that even if i had my best day i would only be hovering around 96-98 which gives me no confidence w.r.t what needs to be prepared.

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How are people knowing the cutoff n all. Knowing that the result is coming is one thing but knowing cutoff 89+-1 is a too much info. Any possibility of it being correct.. Aise hua toh shayad hi nikle mera.. 


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@Duke just playing devil's advocate .... Yes the language used was harsh and unnecessary but let's attribute it to tension regarding results and move on. I don't we need to pile on him in multiple posts, i think the user got the point.


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@PeLhidunga yaar but i think u need not have abused him. I think he was just passing on info he had, and more importantly this is a public forum. You obviously have the option to not follow the conversation here.


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@Aurang_mirasudar 0 kaise aa rha hain ... -ve aana chahiye na :P


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@balwintejas csat mein 1 question kyun chodd diya .. shagun tha kya :P


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@Pam123 as if the number of controversial questions were not enough already.... kya bakar hain ye .... ek toh random questions are ulta woh bhi sahi se frame nhi kar rhe hain .... 


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@GOT8 since 2018, UPSC has a sole motive of killing coaching wallas. i wont be surprised if in next notification, it clearly states in "bold": "ORN ke aspas bhi dikh gaye toh tumhari shamat pakki samajhna"


not sure that is the right approach anyways. Making it arbitrary is more dangerous to people with limited means. Rather if you want to make it simple make people realize that you can get good marks w/o coaching itself, but purely relying on NCERT & Newspaper. This randomness only creates panic and students actually go more towards coaching for some guidance. Cut-off Zyada hua toh kya hoga bhai .... The quality of any examination is good if it can pick roughly the same set of people who are well prepared every time, ensuring consistency, but idhar toh people are scoring 120 once and bowing out of the process in the next. For Eg : Let's say you have JEE/CAT ... I am pretty sure even if they conduct the exam multiple times in the same year around 75% of the top rankers would remain more or less the same. DOn't think the same can be said about UPSC. 

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@kohliwag even then you would end up around 95-100 in this kind of paper .. assuming u have an above average tukka rate .... Surely that is not a sure shot to pass given in the uncertainty in so many question.


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oopsiesaid

@kohliwag even then you would end up around 95-100 in this kind of paper .. assuming u have an above average tukka rate .... Surely that is not a sure shot to pass given in the uncertainty in so many question.


the uncertainty is mostly due to aspirants piling on their own confusions in forums like this. there are only 2 questions that have possibility of genuine confusion this year - cooker and devi lal. rest is just mass hysteria

Don't completely agree. There definitely are more than 2 questions which seem to have some confusion b/n 2 options and the fact that there are some faculty supporting an alternate answer gives some credence to the students marking those options in the exam (although they might be in the minority). Jab teacher log khud argue kar rhe hain toh bhala student exam pressure mein confidently kaise mark karega. I am pretty sure there are many getting above the so called predicted cut-off have been lucky to get 5-6 questions right when they were confused b/n options. On any other day they could so easily have marked the wrong answer in this kind of paper. This i consider as uncertainty which is almost impossible to overlook in the process.

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@kohliwag Agreed. It would have been good if we had got the last year key before the prelims exam and we would have more understanding as to how UPSC thinks w.r.t these supposedly confusing questions (like Uses of AI etc.). We could then have marked answers appropriately this time (or at least would have known to leave them w/o comlete info.). Questions like mitochondrial diseases which actually require high level of biotech knowledge (i am sure none of those who marked C would know specifically of the exact processes followed pre and post fertilization), use of may in questions points to poor judgement on part of the question maker. Objective exam is not supposed to have issues of subjective interpretation particularly when people write this exam from all walks of life.


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On each comment--->it shows around 2-3k views. But only 10-15 ppl are active. 


Means--->They feel sharminda in telling score ( So they comfortably Below 85...Love those ppl )

Or they might be in Chill ZONE (which is hardly the case-->S/he could not be that frequent in reading commnets with in few minutes (if scoring 92+)-->More Power to them.


Anyways--Just few observations

NO offence, but Thoda over analysis types lag rha hain..  Don't think we can predict score based on this observation. 

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@Nivantman I think the ironic part is that you are tensed 😒. Don't worry man.. You should most likely make it. 


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@srivalliguru940 I think most are going with all the above option


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Not debating .. but i sincerely think we are overthinking w.r.t the Virus question. NCERT mein diya hain ki Virus can't grow in synthetic medium toh i think UPSC will stick by it. 

PS - I have marked D too. I desperately want u to be right too.

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was accidently binging on student responses after the UPSC exam (mainly GS1) due to stupid youtube recc. But i noticed most students felt the paper was easy or at best moderate and definitely easier than last year. Personally, I was blank after the exam as i thought it all depends on how my guesses went and definitely would not classify the paper as easy just because 5-10 questions were easy/repeated from last year. Just wondering how others felt immediately after the exam. I know it does not matter now anyways, but i have time to kill.
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@Capedcrusader1 i think u r being too conservative then and definitely under reporting u r score. Hope not everyone is doing the same.... Else the cut-off will easily be in the mid-nineties..... 


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@toooldtodieyoung why will i under report my score. and easily the cutoff will be around 75-80 questions.


oh bhai .. galti meri hain ... i did not realize that the cut-off discussion was regarding UPPSC.

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@Rahulsa now I am getting confused.. Kaunsa cutoff upsc or uppsc? 


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@sushil_21 kisi ke bolne se kuch farak nahi padta hain.. 😁


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Don't know why virus is not given as the answer by many keys but I found this to be supporting this 


I assume u are referring to the below line in the article

"These nutrients, like specific sugar and salt molecules, are extracted from tissues of suitable animals like horses, cow, goat or sheep.The virus grows in these nutrient-rich solutions." 

The extracts are not artificial/synthetic right as there are from horses, cow etc. Thus idon't think this might be thearticle to substantiate your (actually our as i have also marked D) argument.

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@Stay_happy the point is if the culture of virus is possible on a artificial/synthetic medium. I do not have the scholarship to define what and artificial/synthetic medium exactly refers to, but i would guess it has nothing to do with using substances that have biological origin.


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@Halt Not to offend you, but is it possible that this forum consists of some people who aced prelims earlier and did not have a good year in 2020 and that it is only a very small minority and the vast majority who did well earlier and are doing well this year are simply staying away/silent from/on this platform ? Are we trying to make assumptions on the exam based on cherrypicked examples of those who did not have a good year ? 

I don't have any circle of close friends in this process so am genuinely unsure of overall response (except what i can gather from this forum and bunch of demoralizing youtube vidoes which keep saying polity & economy sections were the easiest).


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@sleeplessnights89 ya commerce optional ? 


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@sleeplessnights89 agle baar ye sab material bhi add kar denge coaching waale ... :P 


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@Admgenalanezh judicial custody mein tha ki police custody mein tha ? :P


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@Hernan cortez at this rate only specialists in the relevant fields can answer UPSC paper. Nothing General about this knowledge.


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2020 was a great exception in my opinion. otherwise for tough papers cutoff of 2018 abd 2019 i.e. 98, for ur may apply for 2021 too. I have begun to got those vibes don't know why. Feeling nervous at 100 obc

Possible.. Magar just for info. Did you give the earlier attempts and wondering whether you felt this year was easier/at same level? 

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any update on telegram groups ? 
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