Kya general ki cut off 93-94 ja sakti h,Any chance anyone?Bilkul. High chances but as per official key not shankar/ vaji/ vision/ insights. There's variatio in 4 to 5 key every year. That's y we see many with 105 Could not make it and many with 95 clear it. If most of ur doubtful questions like AI, NALSA, MINISTER is wrong as per coaching there's high chance u will clear. I am also in same level...94 after dropping Gandhi irwin so I know the anxiety.
Thank you Brother for your views!
@VivekanandS it can go definitely
Ok Brother
@Carpediem There is one viewpoint which can defend the question.It says Legal service authorities in India provide free legal services to ------ which can mean any SLSA or DLSA or at national level.For transgenders-atleast it is in Delhi.If there is no state which All senior citizens get free legal aid,then I m sad that answer will be 1 n 2
In Haryana ALL SENIOR CITIZENS are eligible for free legal aid. It is given in their website.
Very Good Brother...Now we have very good chances of it being correct
@VivekanandS @shubham4_m7770 U r right and the fact is this question is just wrong.But still,the answer is 1&2Reason--UPSC is a pathetic body.It just picks things without applying brains.
Aise kaise Answer is 1 & 2
@VivekanandS @shubham4_m7770 U r right and the fact is this question is just wrong.But still,the answer is 1&2Reason--UPSC is a pathetic body.It just picks things without applying brains.
Aise kaise Answer is 1 & 2
Yes..Agree with Pathetic Part! They might go with 1 & 2
@VivekanandS all
Okay
I think we have researched the answers a lot.Now, playing answers answers game won't be of much help in terms of mental peace to anyone.It has reached equilibrium and UPSC will be the fate decider as always.
This would be my last post and kindly request everyone here to please predict the cutoff.No range just one number.(Assuming that marks r given to deserving Hindi students in Gandhi Irwin)
My take is 96.67(General)
91, given gandhi irwin is deleted. 93 otherwise.
Raison d etre -
1. Difficult qp so on avg people have 2 questions less in kitty (very similar to 2016 to 17 transition and 2017 to 18 transition). That amounts to 2.67*2 = 5.34 marks
2. Further 1 mark fall in cutoff thanks to abysmal turnouts.
Round 0.33 mark balanced out by lesser seats
So 98-5.33-1+0.33= 92 as per upsc key
92 brother??
@VivekanandS I did a small survey of 300 people only 18 of them in were EWS. The % varied from 5-7% after 50 votes.Considering the low cutoff in most of other exams especially in second year ( after the bubble that almost everyone is ews got burst) was so so low. You can expect even lower cutoff for ews than last year.Last year upsc gave a 4 month window to get the ews certificate so people thinking no matter what I will get a Ews certificate filled the form as ews, later they couldn’t produce the certificate and you a historic decline in mains cutoff for ews. This time no such provision. Expect it to be 85-87
Last year it was 90 bro!
Hello guys, i'm getting marks in the range of 85-95 in paper 1. But in csat i'm getting 62.5-65.83 in this range. I'm from ph category (mentioning this just for the sake of clarity). After seeing my marks in csat i decided i'll start preparing for 2021 now, bcz in the upsc notification it's clearly mentioned that we've to score 33% in csat, i.e. 66 marks. But yesterday i talked to one sir and he said that in ph category sometimes they relax this criteria as he has heard so this has me highly confused. As from my experience i don't think this is true so, i just want clarity so that i can focus on my next year exam. @Neyawn sir please clarify this if you've time. And i would request others as well to respond if they've any idea about the same. Thank You.
No relaxation Brother
Brothers, Experienced people kindly shed your views on cut off! Some people tell 96-97,others 92-93..It is casting doubts over certaintyPeople plzz!
Even these two range is comes under uncertainty.......how could one be certain of cutoff.....only people getting 110+ have certainty of their selection.....
Brother me talking about estimated cut off from upsc key!
Brothers, Experienced people kindly shed your views on cut off! Some people tell 96-97,others 92-93..It is casting doubts over certaintyPeople plzz!
Even these two range is comes under uncertainty.......how could one be certain of cutoff.....only people getting 110+ have certainty of their selection.....
Brother me talking about estimated cut off from upsc key!
For estimated cutoff u sought for certainty.......amazing
Anything above 100 with current keys of shankar vision or vaji have fair chance thats it......cutoff around 95+-2
93+-2..What is your take on this bro?
@VivekanandS this time paper is tough no easy questions (except one dpsp question).. Every time there will be sitters from economy, modern history, geography, map.. Now all questions are moderate to difficult... A person familiar with subjects can only answer... Every time around 10 marks come from this sitters.. Now this 10 marks is not easily available to everyone... Out of my huge experience this time cutoff will go down.. But I don't know how much..
Yes Bro..That is what I am trying to estimate..You are very True..
@VivekanandS this time paper is tough no easy questions (except one dpsp question).. Every time there will be sitters from economy, modern history, geography, map.. Now all questions are moderate to difficult... A person familiar with subjects can only answer... Every time around 10 marks come from this sitters.. Now this 10 marks is not easily available to everyone... Out of my huge experience this time cutoff will go down.. But I don't know how much..
At least by 5 marks
"At least" is very important here.Let us see how much it goes down
My take on cut off: 92-94 considering people writing mains will be lower than last year.
and those who are in the range 100-110 of coaching answer key, do not trust them. Change in 4-5 questions can bring down your score drastically. Has happened with many of my friends last year.
Lower intake will be compensated by Tougher CSAT! What Say?
@beginn371316 bhai, constitution clearly provides for judicial review! wo toh basic structure hain. SC invented Basic structure but kept things in constitution in basic structure only not the outside things of constitution. So basic structure in invented by SC not in Constitution. Judicial Review is in constitution and SC shields or protects it by keeping it in basic structure. simple as that.
Judicial review is also not explicitly written if we go by law of verbatims.
Constitution *provides* ... Yes it provides.
Constitution defines ... Sounds dubious now.
Kya kare... Yaar Angrezi ka course kar le next time .
Confusion hi confusion hai. !!
Provides Judicial review in inverted commas pushed me to mark D. Banta questions galat ho gya English k chakkar me
Exactly same thing happened with me too Bro! I can sense your dilemma.Moreover,first option going wrong added to the woes and I thought that UPSC is playing along the same lines in 2nd option too!
@Biradar Harrapan Horse is a debated issue. Thats why there was confusion over the same. However upsc picked the exact verbatim from a du book.However Desher Katha and Rukhmabai are not historical debates.. Open any standard text book and search for age of consent you will probably get the word ‘ debate’ suffixed with it.Desher katha me the man desukar himself has written about bharat bhoomi its geography, demography (22cr population) , Economic exploitation.Rukhmabai is picked from Dube again and she clearly writes about age of consent and conjugal rights . Then sekhar bandopadhya mentions same too. These two are very big names in history.
I think shankar gave All in Desher Katha in its revised as Updated through FB post.
What say?
Desher katha it’s all 123
I too was considering 3rd wrong unless I read the page of Dube's book multiple times only to find out that It could actually be true.
"Book says he meant Nation by DESH,but the context of nation has been explained in preceding lines and it goes on to say the same concept of nation must have been prevalent in marathi as well only to corroborate Deuskar's stnd on station".
I might be wrong in my interpretation!
I have been silently noticing the over analysing mania going on in this forum from last 7 days..
Bhai.. NALSA will be A and B.. Senior citizen will not be considered by UPSC. I marked senior citizen but i know how u0ac is... They dont overanalyse... And thats why they ask us to mark the MOST APPROPRIATE choice and NOT the COORRECT option.
This discussion also reminds me of where many candidates go wrong wrt prelims...
And why many are not selected year after year.. Sorry for being blunt, but thats true
No need to be sorry . I accept wht u say . But tell me how A nd B is most appropriate . Is nt transgender option as wrong as the senior citizen option ? Are we supposed to be objective or subjective like the arts people in a mcq exam ? I just put my views and forwarded it to upsc on qus being wrong . Rest depends on them . No need to be emotional on this .
Yes True..This definitely was a wrongly framed question!Transgender option is as wrong as Senior Citizen.There is no doubt in that.
I am sure that UPSC framed qn seeing that pdf of legal services authoritt where statewise beneficiaries is given..In case of delhi.. Transgender are allowed free services for upto 2 lakh i think... Correct me if i am wrong... And thats why its correct
Well Said..they might have picked verbatim from there! But There are some states including Bihar Haryana where All Senior Citizens are Included irrespective of any income.So Far as NALSA is concerned,they do not set any criteria for transgender and Senior Citizens, instead leave it to states to classify.
Correct me If I am wrong!
Desher katha it’s all 123I too was considering 3rd wrong unless I read the page of Dube's book multiple times only to find out that It could actually be true.
"Book says he meant Nation by DESH,but the context of nation has been explained in preceding lines and it goes on to say the same concept of nation must have been prevalent in marathi as well only to corroborate Deuskar's stnd on station".
I might be wrong in my interpretation!
Yes friend you are wrong in your interpretation and its not your fault that book is very difficult to comprehend.. But a patient read will tell you what she actually meant.
Also as posted before I have checked the desher katha book itself and desh has been used for bharat bhoomi. Being from Bengal I do have an advantage there to get it checked out
Also Got it confirmed by local teachers here .
Brother, Can You please interpret and make it easy for me to comprehend!
@Tokyo Haa. Ye I marked accordingly, but I guess I missed bubbling some, as I struggled to finish the paper. I had left some for 3rd round, but struggled to finish the second round only.Never happened that I couldn’t finish paper in all my attempts or mock tests, even in 2018 when I was sleep deprived.But this paper man!Everything under the sun and a new pattern and unpredictability every year cannot be tackled.Some people are good at something, others are good at some other things.At the end, it’s all about which set of people did the paper favour?
Very weird paper..Tore us apart!!
@Tokyo Haa. Ye I marked accordingly, but I guess I missed bubbling some, as I struggled to finish the paper. I had left some for 3rd round, but struggled to finish the second round only.Never happened that I couldn’t finish paper in all my attempts or mock tests, even in 2018 when I was sleep deprived.But this paper man!Everything under the sun and a new pattern and unpredictability every year cannot be tackled.Some people are good at something, others are good at some other things.At the end, it’s all about which set of people did the paper favour?
Very weird paper..Tore us apart!!
Yes...weird paper, unconventional paper, tricky, difficult, asking anything from sun...but still cut off kam nahi hoga...I don't understand the logic...either our assessment of paper is wrong our Shankar's prediction of cut off is wrong.
Shankar's prediction is wrong!
Soemetimes, Their Lower End is breached and at times Upper.How They can be trusted wholeheartedly.It just has been a convention,though fallacious,in the past few years to blindfoldedly believe Shankar's Cut Off Range as They are best amongst the worst in predicting it but This argument is not worth buying.
@chelseaboy yes cut off will lie somewhere around 93-94
Going by the Polls conducted on telegram which had good no of participants with each more than 10k, It becomes quite assured that It is highly unlikely for cut off to breach 95 marks...Below 95, nothing can be said about with conformity.
Cut off will be 92(+-2). Said this on day 1. Continuing the same till date.
Every time a tough paper has happened marks have collapsed by 6 7 marks minimum. And this is not even taking covid into account.
Absurd for people to forget 2016 ->2017 transition and 2017->18 transition.
Its not gonna be 95. Last time consensus was at 101, it fell to 98, that too with ews, which means in a normal case the cutoff might have been down to 96 or 97.
So anyone above 90 has a decent chance. A lot of 100s have taken rakhmabai and desher katha as 123, a lot of 100s have preamble as A and have taken gandhi irwin marks (which logically will be dropped 99.99%)
i would rather say a 92 93 guy who hasn't included such cheap marks has a better probability to convert than a 100+ guy with such dirty marks.
And well, last time I know people who were having scores in 90s, and had given up who made it to final list. So yeah, stop seeking validity. If are 90+ just study and inshallah!
Cut off can't go more than 93. At least 5 marks dip had to be there.
Calculate marks by shankar or insights or vision. Even if u r dead sure it has given a wrong answer take it as such...if getting more than 92 High chances u will clear.
Was this paper harder than 2018? If yes, how much?
I found it harder than 2018.
For so great exam people had, forum this season has garnered prolly the least traction in the last 5 years. Those who have been in forum since they started taking baby steps for upsc would know. Also for the first time I am seeing people so concerned about paper 2 , literally on every page we are seeing paper 2 discussion
*High quality bakar ek khwab hai*
Maybe sabka gs paper 1 achcha gaya ho... In insights poll it is showing 2k people getting 110+
Good luck believing those polls.
If you were here, you would have known how jostling the forum used to be in 2016 2017 when 110 scores were commonplace. In 2018 19 too when 100s were common forum used to be far far more active.
So why are people discussing less then....dauration for mains is less maybe the reason
Both that, and the 100 102 wala guy doesn't want to rethink answers like desher katha or rakhmabai or even the fault in gandhi irwin. His 100 102 becomes 92 94.
Can't agree more!!
In gene editing question, statement 1(reproductive cells) and statement 3(pigs embryo) mere possibilities, but statement 2(human embryo editing) alone were done by Chinese last year.
Last para in below article clearly says it w.r.t statement 1 .
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/what-is-genome-editing/article19481402.ece
So answer could be 2 only..
Ohh Is it like that??
Could this be digital signature of 2019?
In gene editing question, statement 1(reproductive cells) and statement 3(pigs embryo) mere possibilities, but statement 2(human embryo editing) alone were done by Chinese last year.
Last para in below article clearly says it w.r.t statement 1 .
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/what-is-genome-editing/article19481402.ece
So answer could be 2 only..
Ohh Is it like that??
Could this be digital signature of 2019?
Don't know what line UPSC takes..if can be means is its 2 only , if can be means is plus possibilities, it will be all..
Most Probably it will be all
@Equalizer I think NALSA question would also go...
Why NALSA would go?
Did people send representation?
@VivekanandS Bhai i am assuming that people must have sent ... Baaki NALSA is a legitimate demand...PS : I did't attempt that question
Yes..that question was wrongly framed.Transgender option is as good as All Senior Citizens
Bro upsc key matters. Marks can increase as well as decrease. That is why I worry. But one good think, most of those we think, controversial is wrong for me like AI, NALSA, MINISTER. Let's see. ATB
Ai I have searched internet extensively ..wireless electron transmission via AI is scientifically wrong statement.AI ka kam wo nhi ha..infact wireless transmission technology kabhi aye to wo AI k liye bahat helpful hoga.. reverse is correct..
And minister wala A ...upsc takes broad point of view..moreover,A galat Karna jyada controversial ha than sahi karna..it's A I think... moreover, constitution doesn't prevent an 18 yr old to become minister for 6 months because he is not a member of legislature so 25 yr criteria doesn't arise.. correct me if I am wrong..
Fate has been sealed!!
Let us move on Bhai!
Guys from insights
We will once again reiterate that cutoff marks in recently concluded UPSC prelims will be between 90-95( GM category), and most likely be either 92 or 93.
If your score is above 90 prepare well for Mains. The marks of selected candidates Indicate that you should be good across all papers in Mains and then in interview to guarantee a rank.Between you can expect prelims results between October 25 to 27.Another ten days. But don’t wait. Keep preparing.
You from Insights Coaching??
You serious about your cut off prediction??
Upsc lift qus from somewhr There can not be a article which ll say AI is effective for meaningful story and wireless transmission . It is obvious ans is B . I saw explaination of gs score for all they have shared a link . When u read that article it says how AI is writting story etc ... but surprise !! Below it written "april fool " !! Whn u have 2 search so much to prove something right and that too u find false alert .. its obvious ur ans is wrong .
Exactly... UPSC must have lifted the question from some research/news article or some book. There are many articles with titles "What AI can and can't do", " Where AI fails", "evolution of AI" etc, and many of them discuss the failure of AI "in present state" in generating creative content and expect it to be a thing of future.UPSC must have lifted it from such articles, and they even gave one very weird or outlandish option of "wireless transmission" to aid students in arriving at correct answer. So, most probably answer is "B".
And many people are searching vigorously for AI written meaningful stories, even if it writes some meaningful story, it is very rare and 1 out of a 100 (It is an exception, rather than a norm). Also most news articles and research articles point to "non-sense" content generated by AI, due to "lack of cognition". Thus the general consensus of public is AI is still premature in this arena, and UPSC will most likely go with this.
Did any coaching give option B??
-2.66 for you and me?? It is not guaranteed that they will take D..So dont worry Bro..
In Deuskar Question, I fear if UPSC will go with D.Because they are not talking about the book per se;They are referring to Word DESH used by Deuskar and DESH word was used in regional context only at that time.But Dont know about Deuskar!!
Someone shed some light!
Someone had shared a paragraph from ishita banergy book . Read it very slow twice as it can be missleading . Ans is 1nd2 as per that book.
I have read Brother.That Whole page and particularly last paragraph.If UPSC takes D, Many will get it wrong and Cut off will come down too.Let us see.
No issues Bro!!
We are co-aspirants👍
Brothers and Sisters, you should not argue on questions, but you should only post your marks as per the keys, for example I am getting
98.66 from Vision IAS, Shriram IAS, IAS BABA
101.33 from Shankar IAS
96 from Insight IAS
106.66 from ALS IAS, Civils Daily etc.
It is upto the coaching institute that they decide what is right or wrong, we all must prepare for mains.
coaching waalo ne jo cutoff boli hai wahi jayegi is baar bhi, jaisi ki har baar jaati hai.
Different coachings have different take on Cut Off:- Insights-92/93; Forum-92;; Vision-95; Shankar--97-100;Baba--95
Brothers and Sisters, you should not argue on questions, but you should only post your marks as per the keys, for example I am getting
98.66 from Vision IAS, Shriram IAS, IAS BABA
101.33 from Shankar IAS
96 from Insight IAS
106.66 from ALS IAS, Civils Daily etc.
It is upto the coaching institute that they decide what is right or wrong, we all must prepare for mains.
coaching waalo ne jo cutoff boli hai wahi jayegi is baar bhi, jaisi ki har baar jaati hai.
Different coachings have different take on Cut Off:- Insights-92/93; Forum-92;; Vision-95; Shankar--97-100;Baba--95
tumhe kya lagtaa hai, paper was easy or tough ?
agar easy tha toh 116 cutoff hogi
tough tha toh 94 hogi
moderate tha toh 98 hogi
Aram Se Bhai!!!
Lecture Dene k lye nhi bola
@Challenger_Deep from where did you got the cut off as 96.6?
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How can someone get 10 marks in Essay paper?
How is it possible? Anyone who has qualified Prelims and is getting 85 in GS-I (visible in screenshot) is definitely capable of writing an average Essay.
Does UPSC entertain rechecking pleas is such cases?
This guy is getting 127 in English. I got 112 in english and 140 in essay. Something is seriously wrong with this one.
Brother, I got 111 in essay and 153 in English.
They intentionally tell less cut off so people subscribe their test series
Dont you think there is a risk of losing credibility and faith of students?
With due respect to everyone, i scored 99.9 percentile in cat (approx 73 percent marks), and I'm getting 120 which is 60 percent, so csat definitely wasn't easy, and I know my friends who used to score well in csat have also suffered this time. The result would come soon but just wanted to state my opinion on the paper.
Best of luck to everyone, and I hope everyone on the edge makes it through.
Ps- I'm on the edge too in paper 1
Will CSAT affect cut off by at least 1 mark this time??
@Equalizer but ye vision , shankar ki key ne 1 dia hai 😏
Pata nahi bro. Either they are making silly mistake or we are making. It appears they are making. We have solved it many times.
0.25 h bhai uska ans
@csp20info ..How reliable this telegram guy is?? Has he been proved wrong in the past?What they have done is not good....not only highly unethical but also cruel.
Yes Bhai..That is true.I am just asking about his authenticity(not questioning though), he has proved trustworthy many times but ALWAYS( this I doubt sincerely)
@VivekanandS try your hands in state PCSs of Bihar, Rajasthan, UP, MP etc. as they hav consistency in conducting regular exams (if you know Hindi obviously).Same syllabus. Need few extra effort in current affairs (focused on states) which is available in monthly pdfs on many websites like adda247.I'm currently myself preparing for BPSC & PPSC.Don't loose hope.Start your prep from today. Stop wasting time.
Bihar and UP can be tried at.SSC CGL i will be focussing at.
@VivekanandS me too.
Next attempt will be your last?
I will be having my last attempt next year.Failed prelims this year.Friends, I genuinely need an advice.Whether to skip 2021 and appear in 2022 after trying my hands seriously at State PSCs and SSC-CGL which I did not do until now.
Friends Plz help me
You are...... pass out of which year ?
2015 Brother
Bhai, I believe you should take up a job, if you get. If not go for some other exam and try to clear it. Matlab jo apko lage aap nikal sakte ho kam time mein.I think skip karne mein hi zyada benefit hai. Is cycle se nikal jao.Meanwhile upsc ko part time prepare karte raho, don't neglect it totally. Part time I mean write 2 answers daily, read optional and newspaper ye sab 2 hours mein hota hai, agar sab pehle padha ho to. Baki sirf revision aur value addition karo through writting.And gradually 2022 tak saare content achese banalo, notes taiyar karo, optional ethics sab sort karo.And most importantly find the reason why you failed. I mean sit with all past 5 years papers, aur jot down karo, ki kitne total attempt hue, kitne easy question galat hue jo sabke sahi hote hai. Question approach karte waqt kaisa mindset hota hai aapka. I believe it is not the knowledge but confidence and approach jisse aapka pre nahi hua pehle.
Okay Brother..
Thanks A lot for your Suggestions
@HappyValley2020 I can relate to many things you said. I'm also an IITan. Cleared 5 Prelims and couldn't clear Mains yet. The depression and crisis is real.My 2 cents: GET A JOB! Either an educational startup, coaching content curator, faculty, whatever you can lay your hands on. You have lost the luxury of preparing without a job. Anudeep Durishetty, Anu Kumari and many other stalwarts cleared the exam while they were working.You can only prepare without a job for the first 1-2 attempts. After that, every attempt kills you a little bit. And unless you're financially, mentally, emotionally stable, you cannot give further attempts at peace. Trust me, everything will be fine. There is something called destiny.
Cleared Pre This time Bhai?
@VivekanandS it’s not tougher. It’s more competitive. Last last me 1-1 number pe 300-400 log hote hain. It’s not the cgl of 2011-2015 era anymore.
Yes Got it! Should aim for SSC or SEBI/RBI Grade B?
Which one is easier to do?
Guys I cleared with around 90 marks, thanks to SC category butI seriously have to say one thingto those who think they cleared but yet couldn't feature in the list.
Even though this is my first attempt and started prep in April what I have realised talking to people who have given quite a number of times and a few who are in the service is they have never seen so many people who claim to have cleared both CSAT and GS but still didn't qualify. I know many genuine guys who are shocked they couldn't clear and there is little chance of them flunking CSAT, IIT background with more than decent Comprehension skills. Tbh I majorly did comprehension and yet cleared. Got 80% of them right. In hindsight, it was definitely a wrong strategy but anyway I crossed the mark.
Now coming to the point, I wanted to make, I honestly believe there is something really off with the result. They published the result within 19 days in a lockdown situation. They needed to check 5 lacs copies. The data entry is done manually and these guys would have been under immense pressure to get it done. Remember this is handled by private company employees who can't be really screwed legally. Chances are high there was some mistake in data entry or worse they have just directly entered random marks in some cases without checking to meet the deadline. It has happened in other exams, it can happen in UPSC too especially when Pvt company employees are pressured to meet unrealistic deadlines.
My suggestion to you all: File an RTI asking for certified copies of your OMR. Don't ask for cut off or Model Answers.
What will it achieve: Even if they deliberately, delay the response to push it near or after the mains, if you would have actually cleared the prelims, and your OMR was wrongly marked/checked/data properly not entered, you can approach the Court for a direct attempt at mains next year. And the Court will in all probability grant that request because there has to be some compensation monetary or otherwise. Remember even after all your preparations you can actually legitimately fail prelims next year so why not waiver that stage off for you, if you genuinely deserved it this year. The process is not really that taxing. I have seen people getting things done through RTI in a breeze. And if the facts are also concretely in your favour High Courts also dispose of the Case in 1/2 hearing especially ones related to Important exams. Best of Luck if you go ahead.
Thanks.
It feels like something has been genuinely wrong in declaration of results this time.But God only knows the reality.And UPSC will skirt the issue very cleverly.
