@LeoMessi After 10 years in service most of us il bcm the same.Sm topper IFS video was posted here female 1.See her way of talking,accent within 1 year ,il mak u feel she s trying 2 b special just by passing xam(in reality just an avg woman).And the real man s who keeps such nefarious tendencies at bay,if evry1 cud do tht, humbleness wont b a scarce virtue!!Nd why nly arrogance,we all shuld do reality chck 4 human values,imo civil service competitivenss has made max aspirants crooked,unconnected with society(on forum itself ask smthing abt study see the 1 lways on gossip toes ill tell evrything xcpt hitting bulls eye dilly dallying lik i just clrd dnt know why or simply not replying,interestingly previously talkd IFS wud b role model of these guys),so not r8 2blame solely urban elites just bcauz we r at the receiving end!!
bhai this is the challenge in this world. After reading this anthro i understood that what we are being taught at our school/college is just useless stuff. the world is training us to become consumers, nothing else. and in all this game society is awarding us such #jahils as u told.
“It is verysimpleto be happy, but it is very difficult to besimple.” ―
@iskool You will soon realise that what you learnt in the upsc process ie reading optionals/gs and all those plethora of theories all are bs in the real world. CSE is simply an exam and its contents/syllabus shouldn't be overrated to the extent of understanding real human societies or how it all works. Most of the theories you read in social science optionals are all irrelevant claptrap written from an outdated postmodern perspective by a highly dogmatic group world over regurgitated in a modern way in your newspapers/ca editorials most of which was 0 practical/real world application. Only thing that should matter in this exam is clearing it for an aspirant or when the reality dawns after failures/exhausting attempts leave it for a real world education in a real job/business+societal interactions and experience the reality of living in a more practical way. The covid experience is one such moment in the reality matrix that will awaken the conscience of the bot like aspirant community.
@Tangent And ths business s needed more r8 so tht people get jobs and better standard of living with wealth creation,then mass junta must hav been fooled into preparing 4 career of civils lik herd of sheep mentality??2 b frank i hav met many who dnt hav ny long term view why 1 shud prepare civils and why it s a better career option!!Substantiates why India s still at lower rungs of develop even after 73 years!!
Agree. A lot of fools like me got sucked into the hype only to realise my mistake after 3 years. There was a lot of hype amongst the middle class urban youth in the decade gone by from 2010 and a lot of decent engg/doctors got into the chakravyuh in the dp aggarwal era. However the newer generation is far more aware and values business/wealth creation than millenials like me who grew on a diet of subtle socialism and mediocrity.
@rafael @cat(Billi)She s Forbes 2020 under 30 just 4 making a s/w but enough in limelight 2 hav Photoshoot with NITI CEO and at various multilateral fora.1 cant get such recognition here so fast plus we r fooling ourselves reminding of our lack of far sightedness,may b we wud xpect our kids 2 do better😀
Hehe true and the social impact/fame after being IAS whilst being true doesn't hold true for those outside the aspirant community. I don't know any of my peers in business even knowing the full form of UPSC. Infact in places like Mumbai nobody gives a damn apart from those who work in clerical jobs/come from rural areas. That being said we must be thankful to good babus like a vinod rai or IFS akbaruddin who have had distinguished careers and set decent benchmarks for the next gen babus.
@cat such animosity for the very exam that u are aspiring for? what is the point in preparing then? how do you remain honest with your prep?Plss dont take it otherwise I genuinely want to know how u motivate urself for UPSC? or maybe UPSC is an end in itself for u?
Its been almost 5 years since I have come back to upsc as I had filled the form on the last day in a streak of personal redemption. Corona situation has given me some free time and I intend to utilise it to clear the exam as I can't take defeats/regret in the long term. My outlook towards the services is not the same as it was as a fresh college passout. I have found my footing in a different place and I like what I do. Perhaps I wouldn't join the services if I clear since my only motivation is a personal quest for redemption!If I do make the ranks I will let you know about my personal scenario. I used to be a frequent visitor to the old forumias back in 2014 and of late nostalgia has pulled me here again!
We create our own realities .. Our thoughts . being billionary or being IAS wht ever satisfies us .. whn time comes we ll be perished like millions who have . nothing ll matter .. nothing has mattered . We were born empty .. There was just awareness which observed .. Then somehow the images , events , sounds, information we observed became us .. There is still that awareness somewhr there . The pure awareness . unblemished away frm illusionary identity made of years of propaganda we have gone through ..
"Time destroys everything. Time heals everything. "
@cat all the best ....in case you clear it always remember " panch parmeshwar hota hai"
Thank you I hope you do before me though as my prep is 10% of what it used it be in the fulltime prep days so I know my chances realistically. Anyways ATB to you as well from an old man hehe!
bhaisaab khatarnaak aurat thi! socio optional tha unka. Jab crazy photon sir ne apne answers yahan dale toh boli ki tum fake ho, likes ke lie answers ghar pe likh ke daal rahe ho! decimals ke baad ke 2 digit tk data kaun likhta hai upsc me. crazy bhai ne samjhaya ki madam mein eco optional vala hun, we have to learn them by heart. boli ni tu fake admi hai.
fir jab result aya toh humne khub maje lie unke! :)😁😁😁
Epic days those. I vividly remember drking, scorpio, etat, tabahii and all the others. I forgot the ID of one IAS topper in 2014 who wrote in a very eloquent manner even while commenting, I used to beimpressed by him. The best days were immediately post prelim with discussions on controversial questions and cutoffs being the highlight of forum. Also the threads explaining difficult/technical concepts whenever asked by newbies were quality. Interview transcript threads were highly useful as well.
https://twitter.com/advocate_alakh/status/1288481214282608646Alakh Alok Srivastava@advocate_alakh"-After a lengthy hearing, Hon’ble Karnataka High Court has just now Refused To Stay #KCET2020 Scheduled To Start Tomorrow-But, it won’t affect our SC UGC Case, as both are completely differentPS- #UGC has not filed its Reply to our Supreme Court case till now. We are Waiting."
By the looks of it SC won't stay anymore exams also. Govt is hellbent on taking exams and restarting economy. People are left on their own basically.
Apparently, Shiv Sena's Youth wing Yuva Sena is one of the petitioner against UGC in exam case.
The government of the same party is hell bent about conducting MPSC in mid September. Recently, they even rejected any center change requests.
Hypocrisy ki bhi koi seema hoti hai!
No way any exam is gonna happen in maharashtra. There were chances in may itself of entire year being cancelled for state government recruitment said by the maharashtra minister himself. Other such PSCs have also cancelled exams for the year. UPSC however is a different ball game if not October we can still expect it by year end.
@Agog bhai ji a lot of it has to do with political will of the people. I don't want to sound rude, but do think about this, how many of us even caste a vote on the basis of what happens at the ground level?At the end of the day, we also have to realise, that political parties have adopted the "propaganda/foxnews/breitbart Rupert Murdoch Steve bannon" model coz it fucking sells. People don't give a fuck that fellowmen are suffering. They want cheap commercialized drama, like say the whole SSR thing. The death of someone, has been commercialized. Jo log covid mein maids ko 2 3 months ka wages nahi deke bhaga diye wohi log dhumdham se "covid diwali" aka batti jalao celebrate kiya. Ek baat socho, you remember that incident where there was that girl in some station and her mother died and that video became viral, or that case, where that father couldn't go back home in time and his son or daughter passed away? News channels, youtube and so many other platforms made millions in revenue out of the views generated from.the news, out of the clicks, out of the traffic, just out of those 2 news. Had they even shared 5% of the revenue generated of that news with those people these people would have at least jumped out of poverty bracket, wouldn't they? So, they were made a commodity, and sold and profit made out of their sorrow.Lecturing apart. We live in an apathetic world. A world where we celebrate people like ayn rand. We live in a world where people don't give a fuck about other people and corporates see people as commodities. Unfortunately for us, politicians come from the same gamut of people, they represent "US".The problem we have is lack of "good faith governance, economics, policy making", and not of "intellect or capacity"
The biggest problem in India and similar countries is the sheer population. Too many people chasing too few resources. This leads to sub par quality whilst having mass quantity in everything from food products to polity and governance. We have a mad rush for competition and one upmanship and are envious naturally when a small fraction of this humomgous population suceeds at anything but the vast majority have mediocre lives that too with 0 quality public infrastructure/support in just about everything. We even had the old bollywood movies justifying this mediocrity written by marxists like hasrat jaipuri potraying the rich guys as villains and the typical working class/mazdoors/coolies as heroes. This thing was firmy entrenched in our psyche just like ancient mythology of the generations previous to them. So there was no real motivation to create/innovate be it in the economic sphere or elsewhere. We all loved this drug of socialism while it lasted till 91(when the then FM had to go with a begging bowl to the IMF and open up unintentionally) and we reproduced like carefree rabbits generating a low level of output and 0 generational wealth for the majority in the decades gone waste. Now simply all of this has gone to another level with the worst of half baked crony capitalism being implemented as a rescue act and will accentuate the problems as the population peaks for the next 2 decades. So this is still the beginning of the rot that is somehow endemic to this once great nation relatively speaking!
@cat but bhai USA ka covid haal dekho. Population infra ki baat utna nahi hain. Let's be honest, for how so many deaths india and china may not have reported, we have handled covid better than USA, At least till now. Abhi baat to a lot of extent priorities ki hain. Whether you would be ready to insure profits and businesses for the short term and thus throw entire low income population under the Bus, as USA has done, or go for the long term approach.I am not a malthusian, in the sense I don't believe population is the problem. Socialism wasn't the drug either. Capitalism has killed millions in the last 2 decades (recessions and covid) and before that in colonialism and neocolonialism. Neoliberal bodies want us to believe there is no solution, but I think they are the problem themselvesOn this note, I won't argue with you, coz see we believe in 2 absolutely different schools of thought, so that's how it is
Communism+early Socialism of stalin, mao, Pol pot only have killed more people than ww2 ever could. Capitalism on the other hand is majorly responsible for raising the quality of living/income levels since Industrial revolution. I would add welfare policies/trickle down has also helped but only after the "pie" had gotten bigger(Refer bhagwati v Sen) The share of people living in extreme poverty has drastically reduced in the last 2 centuries relative to those centuries before free markets. This is a well established fact. The vast majority of common people lived a pathetic life throughout the feudal ages and before. Even the famed Greece and Rome of antiquity had 40% of its citizenry as slaves and "plebiaen" life was horrible. Mind you Rome was undoubtedly the pinnacle of the ancient world only comparable to ancient Egypt, greece, China and India. It got even worse in the medieval ages. Today the vast majority is way better off relative to the top 1%(tycoons) than their counterparts vis a vis their 1%(kings+clergy+noblemen)in the ancient and medieval times. Also today's 1% is a changing pool that has superior forces of supply/demand+tech and anyone with the right "setting" can get in/out unlike the olden days of dynastic rule.
@cat quantifiable data is against you.On poverty, EAT LANCET commission on sustainable diet has found a minimum of 200 rupees or 2.8 dollars per day requirement. That's higher than the IPL, if you know. Shows us how much of a joke IPL isWorld bank has studies aplenty showing how much of a joke trickle down is and that it doesn't even work, but obviously we have hacks like jagdish bhagwati still jumping high on it.Atkinson committee on poverty has asked for a movement to "social poverty", and if we fix a line as IPL+ 0.5*median income say bye bye to all poverty indicesQuantifiable data, as I have has shown that NEOLIBERALISM HAS INCREASED POVERTY WORLDWIDE IF WE TAKE CHINA AWAY FROM THE INDICES. In developed countries,<6 childhood poverty has increasedNeoliberal bodies want us to believe that labor reforms must mean going away of all protective measures for employment. But empirically it has been provenremoval of labor laws actually increases exploitation and reduces employment, so such policies are mostly junkyard stuff, sold by crony politician economist nexus to save their corporationshttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---dgreports/---inst/documents/publication/wcms_414588.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjY1vnpuP_qAhXQ6nMBHeF3A14QFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3vHNL6JYLim-PDw-JZ_CHX(If link broken, Google "Adascalitei and morano ILO labor laws and employment")Its sad that even the semblance of relief that we have today in public health care and public health institutions are all relics of nehruvian socialist era and we have added zilch in our "days of growth"Data for the above graph taken from world in inequality database
Trickle down doesn't work:
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Staff-Discussion-Notes/Issues/2016/12/31/Causes-and-Consequences-of-Income-Inequality-A-Global-Perspective-42986
None of this disproves poverty poverty reduction post IR. Labour laws is a separate issue. The argument was based on economic models and their contribution to overall poverty reduction/prosperity. What you repeating is an increase in inequality in capitalism and the garden of eden that nehruvian socialism was. So great and pure that your "hindu" rate of growth was a sub 5%for a whopping 40 odd years! Also at a point of time in the 60s Chinese GDP equalled India's then post 1978 opening up reforms they are now 5x that of India already and an economic giant. Where are we thanks to 45 years of regressive distributive socialism (ironically no growth so what would u distribute in that 0,no?) Anyways proof of the pudding is in the real comparison of India v Chinese models(not Digressive reports on labour refroms or inequality)and we can see with the naked eye the benefits of mere 13 years of early adoption of economic reforms(privatisation, contracting mainly). Now don't say but chinese are "socialist" (they are only on paper though, they have a more capitalist internal and external mkt than ours) or say oh we have better labour laws and environment thanks to Nehru?
Personally I would prefer a 5% growth rate with most of it going to the poorest rather than 10% with all of it going to the 1%Too many words, depends on how you define poverty. As I said, eat lancet commission has shown already 2.8 dollars of food requirement for sustainable diet. Yet if you say a dollar a day is poverty reduction, I can't have much to say.Also, i think on China you are necessarily wrong. A lot of chinas successes is due to a far far better human capital, that developed post GLF, and pre liberalism. Also post liberalism, China has only opened up certain SEZs to globalization. The banking sector, the crucial resources sectors remain closed, and under close govt control. When capitalists and lobbyists speak about China they forget about the 100s of PSUs that china run till date, some of them just for purpose of employment generation. In globalization, China has had huge economies of scale advantage. It opened up in such sectors that gave it a surplus advantage, but kept sectors that were underdeveloped closed. This has not been for india, where imposed globalization meant opening up most sectors bar agri and dairy, where At least we could achieve food sufficiency. Chinese growth engine was in its human resource. It is still in its human resource. In 90s neoliberal economists used to mock china, in 2000s they said china will be the failure of the century, coz protectionism.The rubbish propaganda would call china communist on some days and capitalist on some other, depending on what they wantMeanwhile you really want to see the heavens imposed neoliberalism can create? Check up Washington consensus and its effects on latin america. How it toppled regimes and privatised resources like water. How people came to streets and revolutions happened.Marcin kalecki had already shown that full employment is very much possible. But it is against the will of capitalists.Also, redistribution doesn't depend on growth. It depends on the ownership of growth. Read up on Baran ratio, compare that of India and china with that of USA and come back.Also growth depends on demand. Demand depends on expenditure. Expenditure depends on disposable income of household. Disposable income of household depends on wages. Wages, depend on the extent of laws and legal protection. If the major share of output is owned and not redistributed , sooner or later it will lead to secular stagnation and a collapse in growthWhat? We have Better labour laws now? What kool aid are you drinking? Please pass on some. Anyways, I would prefer not to respond any further. You need to study a lot more. Please comply.
You did have a 5% for most of our post independence existence but that was not transferred to the bottom 10% under the great socialist system who would be their saviour otherwise no? So where does neoliberalism bs come into the picture lol. Demand comes from I+G+X as well not just C. Also how would stifling entrepreneurial activity, restricting free market having laws like MRTP be conducive to demamd really? Also the control of chinese govt sector on economy is negligible. Chinese pvt sector has 80% contribution to GDP, 80% to employment and is a major market top 10player afor both FDI inflow as well as chinese outflow into other markets. China owns a sizeable chunk of US treasury and has a decent investment portfolio world over. Anyways you already have studied everything as a supreme aspirant so chuck it. ATB for getting selected and peace out from a mere mortal😁
@cat C depends on demand. G is dependent on government. So basically socialism. I is investment and if you know the decision of investmentDi = f (p,k,s,x) k being fixed capital, s being savings, p being ability to profit. Now that's why your 0 corporate taxes don't work, why? Coz while it improves savings, companies won't invest a penny if there's no ability to profit. What does it depend on? On ability of people to purchase the product of the company. On the demand quotient. In a country where people live on bare minimum income, they can't have enough surplus money to avail such goods and services as corporations produce, thereby declining profit. So once again, socialism.Once again you googled out a piece of headline saying Chinese private sector having 70% contribution to 80% contribution. This is exactly what you shouldn't do. For China the greatest component of their gdp and growth is HOUSEHOLD CONSUMPTION (39%) and INVESTMENT IN FIXED CAPITAL (41%) which is because there is demand in the market, so there's sufficient reason to expand production and produce more.
Your bookish theory has holes as socialism has shown its wonders in venezuela and cuba. Don't implement this bs model in this country again. Also please share data on breakup of that comsumption expenditure does it come from majorly from the 1% extremely poor in China?Or is because of the overall consumption in econmy driven by a prosperous population in general relative to our own or other lower middle income countries?About investment in fixed capital that comes from profits which is obviously like u said bcs of higher demand cycle justifying more production. Also I have never mentioned 0% taxes that's like putting words in my mouth but lower taxes in general do work. Look at big corporates earnings expectations increase post corporate tax cuts last year albeit for a quarter as covid kicked in. Chillax
Also just because there is capitalism doesn't mean free health/education isn't viable. Infact higher growth leads to higher taxes and thus more spending by govts on essential services. It is important to widen the tax net and growth will take care of the govt tax revenue. A mix of free market capitalism+welfare policies and quality public services like in nordic countries would be better than most models imo. The problem with a some people is that they have an visceral contempt for businesses/entrepreneurs and thus can never accept the fast albeit slightly imperfect train of capitalism which can be tailored according to our needs.
@cat Nordic countries? Read up on Swedish PSUs
Read up on efficiency of Indian PSUs then compare with sweden🤔
PMFJI but this could be a little more illuminating if you guys gave your precise ideas on what mix of policies you'd prefer, for, I assume, none of you is for unfettered capitalism or for good ole communism. Let's not lock horns over mere words like socialism, these have meanings all over the place.
Your assumption is correct we need the best of both worlds not absolute anything. Free markets+EoDB+Sensible regulations on One side. Skilling+free health+education is bare minimum on the other. We will need PPP as well. Another famous example is ofcompletely Jio due to which we had a mini digital revolution and the cheapest data in the world. So if the govt leverages pvt sector smartly for multiple positive externalities that would be ideal. Create synergies and win-win scenarios instead of any one model.
@cat that's coz human capital. What efficiency do you expect in a state where 20% people aren't even literate?!Also please read my edit.
Not again with your neoliberal assumption of my premise. I'm a fintech guy with expertise in finance defo not going in those highly dogmatic ideological positions and using cover of misplaced economic data. Idealogical moorings so strong can't be broken with reality of experiences.
@vision2020 let me rather ask you this. Is there a capitalist country that conducts biological experiments on its citizens for 30 years without them knowing about it? Yes. There is. Have the private sector oligarchs supported it? Yes.Welcome to land of freedomAnd this is just a small list,Just imagine if china had done the same, the whole world would have been reeing.Thus, again, manufacturing consent by moan chomsky remains a required reading
Noam chomsky waaah. Very "revolutionary" I say lol salaam👌Can't get more realistic than this.Atleast have neutral sources of info😁
@cat as I said, you need to read a lot more. You neither have data, nor data sets.And as long as rate of return of capital is more than growth nothing can happen.
And your utopia has both equality and wealth. Equality of poverty for the masses and wealth of the single party state. And yes gulag too🤤
@cat and yet gujarat is yeeting millions by the day and the only state with any defence of substance is kerala. Equality of poverty reeeeee. Stop repeating dumbass talking points like the average twitterati. Be better than that
So now you want me dragged into a regionalism fight?Typical ploy I see😏Very predictable. Na not going there.
@cat see, this is why I say you didn't study. If you had you would have known I was very clearly referring to gujarat model of growth vs kerala model of growth that is the bhagwati vs sen debate. It's sad that half of the things i write is going over your head. In other words the trickle down v socialist model of growth.
I didn't mean what you inferred though. You assume to be highly knowledgeable but it doesn't show. Keep trying trolls do better tbh.
@cat yaar blood boiling taunts na karke kuch accha points/ graphs laya kar next time se. Hum bhi kuch seekh jayenge fir uske chalte.
How can you learn from supposed neo liberals🤔Isme bhi koi conspiracy theory ghusa do good entertainment.
@Villanelle there were many such posts till 26th July this year. Well I have deleted the post as it was not appropriate for the thread. But scary if it is real profile.
From hamid Ansari to Shah faesal the list is long😂
EWS is the greatest scam in recent times. "Reservations effect merit" wale log dikh nahin rhe aaj kal....what hypocrites.
Reservation itself is a big scam especially OBC reservations. Purely political. Anyways general cat has no option but to top in any exam ie come in top 30% since no UR seats are reserved.
Ews quota ko 50percent wali limit main lao..atleast 50 percent to ho generals ko fight krne k liye
General ko koi 50% nahi tha EWS k pehle bhi they have 0 seats exclusive to them. Eventually in coming years there will be a time when majority if not all seats are taken by those who are already reserved in the 60% quota buckets since your 40%UR seats are open to all and when reserved players clear gen cutoff they have first right to UR seat. So that will be the endgame of general category and reservations. When it happens is a matter of time.
An appeal and an explantion:-
1) one of our forum members - @chanakya, started an initiative to write a full length Prelims test per day and share the analysis atDaily Prelims test - ForumIAS. we request more participation . preferable timings 3-5 everyday. for more details visit the above link.
2) The postponement petition started two days ago(https://www.change.org/postponeUPSCprelims2020) already received 3400+signatories. Please go through it and share it in your social media circles. Interestingly, I found two other petitions with similar reasons going on internet. It validates our point. Some of the forum members are DM'ming me whether they can copy the content to use in emails,tweets, quora answers. Feel free to use the content in your mails addressed to various authorities and in your tweets. Also, don't forget to go through the reasons cited by the signatories.
//Happy Sunday. All the best. Happy revising.//
Link not working can u share again?thanks
@Phagocyte bhai in my case I cant find separate room ... library was my only sahara....parents are strictly against this cse prep already done with 3 attempts ...infact since this covid started my parents are like ( tere sath ke sab kama rhe h) situation getting worse ......aab toh kabhi kabhi lagta h santizer he bechna chalu kardu....
Ye attempt dedo full josh forget results baadme sanitzer mein hi paisa hai so don't worry.
@cat yes brother trying , today I had a fight with my parents thn I decided to make account and thoda time pass kiya jaye
I was in same situation don't worry but took a job after mains failure and got some savings which I would later invest. So hope is not lost just that in covid times jobs will be hard to comeby unlike 4 5 years ago but hey starting biz would be easier relatively with cheaper loans and displacement of old businesses. So always have that in mind that all is not lost you can always win especially with your upsc knowledge be it cse or elsewhere. ATB bro!
@Dreamtobe Thanks for your esteemed information.Can you get EWS Certificate if you are into services but take Extraordinary leave (EOL) with no salary? Although your alloted income is more than 8 LPA but if because of your leave or any other reason if you don't get the salary or get less than 8 LPA for a particular year - can you get EWS Certificate for that year?I have seen many general category people of previous years converting into EWS although getting less rank but better service.Example -Will it be applicable only in your first year of service or subsequent?At what level EWS CUTOFF will stabilize for subsequent years?
ews has huge advantage those who are getting it will definetely get in at lower scores. This year many hiterto gen cat people in upsc lists above 500/600 ranks due to EWS which is unheard of otherwise for gen category. Max it used to close around 450 nowadays 350 itself.
What are the chances of prelims happening on 4th Oct??
High chances since some exam in UP and kCET was already conducted. Only thing that can go against CSE are neet/jee case and cases maybe crossing 80k-100k by september. But it seems govt wants normalcy restored anyhow so UPSC as of now is on 4th october mostly.
Somehow I am not able to believe exams will be held. I just cannot. Other exams may be, but UPSC? There are too many hurdles.
1- Limited Centres(75 odd for entire India)
2- Not a single sitting exam
3-Not a single day exam
4-Not that important as if the country will collapse.
5-Shows govt. in a poor light(I mean India has the highest young population)
6-Pandemic to worsen
last but not least,
7-I have immense faith in UPSC as an Organisation.
Somehow I am not able to comprehend.
Same right now everything seems to be opening up and restarting as if there's no thing called covid19. But intuition tells me maybe just maybe everything will be shut again. Whether it happens before october is anybody's guess.
