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[official][prelims 2023] How was prelims result? In or out?

@seesat Regarding the African countries question; In Sudan sometime back, Omar-al-Bashir was toppled by armed forces chief Burhan. Also, this should clear https://www.nytimes.com/article/burkina-faso-africa-coup.html?auth=register-google
Rest I agree except prisons act and mercury question.


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@Neyawn In GS I  Set A Q54 - Don't we use a gyroscope for determining the rotation of mobile devices? Also, can anyone else share their logic for this question?
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@Hetampuriya You can check Vision's for CSAT. They have provided reasons too.


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@seesat Can't say but should depend on CSAT on how much the cut-off reduces imho. Should not be more than 80.


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@TomiokaGiyu Get your point, but the question says 'In how many of the above actions is the function of accelerometer required?'; doesn't it mean to say that an accelerometer should be necessary?


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@seesat Would depend on the definition of coup I think, here is what the NYT says - "An unusual coup unfolded in Chad in April 2021. A president who had ruled for three decades was killed on the battlefield, and his son was quickly installed in his place — a violation of the Constitution."

"News of the death of Mr. Déby, 68, was broadcast to the nation on state television by a group of military officers, who also announced that the president’s son would succeed him and head a transitional military council that would lead to new elections in 18 months."

That sounds like a coup.

Also - https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/12/06/chad-deby-coup-leader-democracy/


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@seesat Scoring ~85 in worst case. From answer keys, 100-116. Minimum from Vision and maximum from Forum.


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@seesat Depends on CSAT to a large degree. Comprehension easier than last year. Maths definitely tougher. Felt few questions to be JEE mains level for combinatorics and number theory. Was definitely not expecting such a paper


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Had some doubt in other questions too.
Besnagar question - Vajiram says all 3
UNOPS - would rapid transit be included
GCM - Does it cover internal migration
Ocean contrast in Geography
Due process of law
Scheduled areas - Minimum level


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@quasiwin Have marked 3 for HFC problem. Most coachings say 4 though 


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@quasiwin MSME - went with B but think D is correct
Due process of law - same
UNOPS - have marked 3
Scheduled areas - PESA says that the lowest should be village-level gram sabha 
"It (PESA) also directs the state government to endow powers and authority to make Gram Sabha and Panchayats function as Institutions of Local Self Governance, specifically on matters of enforcing the prohibition of sale and consumption of intoxicant; ownership of minor forest produce; power to prevent alienation of land and restoration of unlawfully alienated land, management of village markets, control over money lending, etc."


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@AbhayBhandari Regarding the 4 countries in Africa?


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@AbhayBhandari Just not sure about desert expansion in Guinea for 3rd option.


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For the China irrigation question; almost all the coachings have referred Ashok Gulati's article but what is the original source of that data. Any inputs ?


Edit - Found a link : http://english.scio.gov.cn/m/pressroom/2022-11/08/content_78508226.htm

It says 50% irrigated land for China. Govt link. Should the answer be A then?

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@Immortalknight Answer should be A in this case. I hope UPSC doesn't use that Ashok Gulati article to frame the answers, but can't be sure about that.


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For the Gandak question;

The source cited says Gandak. Burhi Gandak just flows close to the lake. https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/kanwar-lake-birds-paradise-lost-44693

The source says " Kanwar jheel, as it is locally called, is located 22 km north-west of Begusarai town. It is a residual oxbow lake, formed due to meandering of Gandak river, a tributary of Ganga, in the geological past. "

Vision says " Kanwar jheel, as it is locally called, is located 22 km north-west of Begusarai town. It is a residual oxbow lake, formed due to meandering of Burhi Gandak river, a tributary of Ganga, in the geological past. "

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@quasiwin For the question regarding Schedules Areas, 
Check this out
https://www.latestlaws.com/bare-acts/state-acts-rules/rajasthan-state-laws/scheduled-areas-state-of-rajasthan-order-2018 One of the entries says Peepla village in Rajasthan implying a village can be declared as a Scheduled area.


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@Najdorf depends on where you look. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3096006/

Says no safe level of mercury.

Also the article implies that above 20 micrograms is definitely dangerous but not that below it is safe.

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@LightYagami Which one?


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@seesat 22(5) and 22(6) provide for making a representation against the order.


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@seesat Doesn't exemption mean that states will not allow legal representation to be made for the case under preventive detention?


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@seesat Doesn't exemption mean that states will not allow legal representation to be made for the case under preventive detention?


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@babajikibooti NCERT says a somewhat different thing as regarding the difference was over power to amend FR and not over the interpretation of FR. Also, in 42nd CA, the only thing related to FR was that DPSP would have primacy. On the other hand, the 1st amendment changed RTE, FoS, and RTP for reservations, limit freedom of speech, and land reforms. Also, https://theprint.in/past-forward/how-nehru-added-conditions-apply-to-article-191a-india-lost-way-to-gates-of-freedom/1043270/


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@babajikibooti In the screenshot, it says between 1970-75 but 42nd was passed in 1976.


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There were analysis where one even claimed that clear csat and you will write mains, as it will be tough for upsc to find 15k students clearing csat. Jhut ka dilasa dete h, atleast they should have done some research.. 

Why would UPSC give 15k results in that case? Also is there a minimum number of people that should qualify prelims?

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Pam123said

Mere csat me Insights se 64 aa rhe lekin Vision aur forum se 70 aa rhe hain. Kya chances hain clear karne ke? Vision forum aur insights me accurate key kaun si hai? 

Sab mai galtiyan h. Also in vision they have given two options for 2 answers, so how are you calculating?

What did you mark in "vernal window" question ? 

A should be correct for that imo.

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@Simplex What was the IFoS cutoff last year; Also what can be the cutoff this year for IFoS?


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Pam123said

Mere csat me Insights se 64 aa rhe lekin Vision aur forum se 70 aa rhe hain. Kya chances hain clear karne ke? Vision forum aur insights me accurate key kaun si hai? 

Sab mai galtiyan h. Also in vision they have given two options for 2 answers, so how are you calculating?

What did you mark in "vernal window" question ? 

A should be correct for that imo.

I have marked "A" in that question. But Vision's key says "D". 

It was a/d afaik

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@Srinjay it was a and d visions key makes more sense for csat last year i was getting 75 from vision key and there were few doubtful passages ended up getting 74 finally so have trust over it 

Rest household finance mein a mark kara hai what do u think is right there i think vision has marked a though .

Baki lets see kya hota hai


Had marked D though, but seems A is correct because innovations are not implied in the passage.

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@The Force what is the expected date for results ?

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Pam123said

@Srinjay hmm i need one correct from above 2 vernal and household finance 😊to get those magical 66 marks both mein a and a mark kara hai.... although gs mein bhi border hai but still failing in csat would hurt more 


Same to Same 😂

About that statesman q, many have given a but vision and Rajeev nv has cited b as answer. Any thoughts on that q?

Have marked b, seems correct 

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https://www.barc.gov.in/technologies/mvdk/index.html

Honestly, would depend ki kaha se uthaya hai sawaal.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3096006/


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What are the authentic sources for constitutional amendment question (1st vs 42nd amendment) and the due process of law?


THE CONSTITUTION (FIRST AMENDMENT) ACT, 1951

Statement of Objects and Reasons appended to the Constitution (First Amendment) Bill, 1951 which was enacted as the Constitution (First Amendment) Act, 1951

STATEMENT OF OBJECTS AND REASONS

During the last fifteen months of the working of the Constitution, certain difficulties have been brought to light by judicial decisions and pronouncements specially in regard to the chapter on fundamental rights. The citizen's right to freedom of speech and expression guaranteed by article 19(1)(a) has been held by some courts to be so comprehensive as not to render a person culpable even if he advocates murder and other crimes of violence. In other countries with written constitutions, freedom of speech and of the press is not regarded as debarring the State from punishing or preventing abuse of this freedom. The citizen's right to practise any profession or to carry on any occupation, trade or business conferred by article 19(1)(g) is subject to reasonable restrictions which the laws of the State may impose "in the interests of general public". While the words cited are comprehensive enough to cover any scheme of nationalisation which the State may undertake, it is desirable to place the matter beyond doubt by a clarificatory addition to article 19(6). Another article in regard to which unanticipated difficulties have arisen is article 31. The validity of agrarian reform measures passed by the State Legislatures in the last three years has, in spite of the provisions of clauses (4) and (6) of article 31, formed the subject-matter of dilatory litigation, as a result of which the implementation of these important measures, affecting large numbers of people, has been held up.

https://www.india.gov.in/my-government/constitution-india/amendments/constitution-india-first-amendment-act-1951



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Please give me your final answers for these questions


1. Prisons

2. Gandak and Kanwar

3. Village level councils

4. Rule of Law

Gandak should be B for sure, rest I am not sure;

Prison, have marked A; Village level marked A; Rule of law - C

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seesatsaid

@Sangaideer squirrel, prison, migration pact imo....but who knows......


what should be the answer for GCM? A?

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@Srinjay yes.


just open this official website & read 23 objectives: it clearly mentions local migrations........ don't know what is the issue...


Did you file representation. Don’t think this would be the answer. Marked A myself.

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@Omen hfc and fluorocarbons are different 


It says hydrogenated flourocarbons though

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HFC - Lubricant question.


We need to carefully read the question. The question is not asking whether HFC can be used as lubricant or not. Question is simply asking whether HFC can be used in "making" of Lubricant or not. Catch is in the word "making".


For example Electricity can not be used as lubricant. But Electricity can be used in making of Lubricant. The word "making" has made the question very broad.


Also it is noteworthy that, though HFC can not be directly used as lubricant, but HFCs can be used in making of spray based lubricant. There are many spray type lubricant which uses HFCs. 


For reference I'm attaching the question below. You can notice the word "maing" in it.

Q. Consider the following:
1.Aerosols
2.Foam agents
3.Fire retardants
4.Lubricants
In themakingof how many of the above are hydrofluorocarbons used?


By this logic answer should be - "D" (All four correct).


Though UPSC might as well give answer as - "C" (Three pair).

I think that it is a bit of a stretch. It would imply that HFCs are used in making any good that requires refrigeration.

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1. stupa

2. literary works- nagasena or nagarjuna

3. Due process of law

4. Prisons

5. Amendment question

6. finance bill/money bill

7.community reserve

8.scheduled areas

9. indian squirell

10.HFCs

11. gandak river

12.carbon markets

13. chad/guinea/mali/sudan

14.besnagar/bhaja/sittanavasal- some are claiming shaivite cave shrine is in besnagar

15. GCM(internal migration)

16.temperature contrast (summer/winter)

17.accelerometer

18.pulsars - right or wrong

19.MSME loans

20. SHG

21. preventive detention/PoTA

42(+14) marks - difference in answer keys of various institutes

1,13,18,20 seem settled.

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1. stupa

2. literary works- nagasena or nagarjuna

3. Due process of law

4. Prisons

5. Amendment question

6. finance bill/money bill

7.community reserve

8.scheduled areas

9. indian squirell

10.HFCs

11. gandak river

12.carbon markets

13. chad/guinea/mali/sudan

14.besnagar/bhaja/sittanavasal- some are claiming shaivite cave shrine is in besnagar

15. GCM(internal migration)

16.temperature contrast (summer/winter)

17.accelerometer

18.pulsars - right or wrong

19.MSME loans

20. SHG

21. preventive detention/PoTA

42(+14) marks - difference in answer keys of various institutes

1,13,18,20 seem settled.

Pulsar is right or wrong?

right

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@Srinjay what are answers for 1,18,20. For 13, I guess it is D


stupa - B; pulsar - A; African countries - coup; SFG - Only 2

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@adi5manit330 But there is another thing. Finance bill HAS to be passed in 75 days..........so I guess JS is necessary if deadlock isn't solved till then.....


But maybe I am again mixing things up...........

75 days limit was introduced during the British period. Don't think it would have implied joint sitting at that time as Viceroy had far more powers.

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Guys,

kisi ne wo China India proportion of irrigated land pe representation file ki hai kya?

P.S: Options debate nahi karna tha.......Bas ye jaan na tha ki log sirf yaha pe discuss karthe hai ya representation bhi file karthe hai.

P.P.S: I have filed representation on that finance bill and money bill Q

@Immortalknight had said that he will file for A as the answer. Also, what have u argued regarding money bill question?

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Point 50 says consumer lists are not intangible. So the answer to intagible question can be 2?also in hindi translation its written dark suchi.

None of the keys have considered it

In the same document "Intangible Assets 7. Enterprises frequently expend resources, or incur liabilities, on the acquisition, development, maintenance or enhancement of intangible resources such as scientific or technical knowledge, design and implementation of new processes or systems, licences, intellectual property, market knowledge and trademarks (including brand names and publishing titles). Common examples of items encompassed by these broad headings are computer software, patents, copyrights, motion picture films, customer lists, mortgage servicing rights, fishing licences, import quotas, franchises, customer or supplier relationships, customer loyalty, market share and marketing rights. Goodwill is another example of an item of intangible nature which either arises on acquisition or is internally generated."

https://www.mca.gov.in/Ministry/notification/pdf/AS_26.pdf

Also what you are referring to might be for internally generated customer lists.

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Also, do these representations work? 

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In the same document "Intangible Assets 7. Enterprises frequently expend resources, or incur liabilities, on the acquisition, development, maintenance or enhancement of intangible resources such as scientific or technical knowledge, design and implementation of new processes or systems, licences, intellectual property, market knowledge and trademarks (including brand names and publishing titles). Common examples of items encompassed by these broad headings are computer software, patents, copyrights, motion picture films, customer lists, mortgage servicing rights, fishing licences, import quotas, franchises, customer or supplier relationships, customer loyalty, market share and marketing rights. Goodwill is another example of an item of intangible nature which either arises on acquisition or is internally generated."

https://www.mca.gov.in/Ministry/notification/pdf/AS_26.pdf

Also what you are referring to might be for internally generated customer lists.

I think he is correct. Because the option was mailing list of clients, which is an internally generated customer list I guess. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/intangible-assets

"Mailing list is also an intangible asset."

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Also, do these representations work? 

Monday Tuesday ko idea lagega ...😂as per cse update group bas 4-5 days aur 

Sure?, nhi to next week aise hi bitega.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/UPSC/comments/14488nc/unfair_csat_matter_listed_before_central/

UPSC CSAT listed before Central administrative tribunal. Do u think anything will happen?

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Aisa na ho ki aaj hi result aa jaaye ya kal morning me?

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Also, why is there such an arbitrary number 23, like why not 25 or 30 or 20. Seems like someone scored 46.xx; and also, has this happened before?
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These are their demands : Got from reddit 

The interim relief prayer is to put a stay on publishing of the result, and the relief sought by the petitioners is either 4 of these:


a. It is prayed that the tribunal may direct the commission to reduce the cut off for Paper II CSAT from 33% to 23%.


b. Alternatively, since this exam contains questions that are out of syllabus and questions that are not Class X level, same may be examined by an expert committee and then further action regarding these questions be taken on the basis of recommendations of the committee.


c. Alternatively, this tribunal should direct the commission to conduct re exam for Paper II (CSAT) as part of Civil Services Preliminary Examination 2023.


d. Pass any such order as this Hon’ble Tribunal may deem fit and proper in the facts and circumstances of the present case.

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Hope there is no re exam/ expert committee BS. It would just be prolonging the anxiety.

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I didnt attempt this Question but just solving it now

Most coachings have copied from FE article with old data

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Non-engineering ke liye csat ka 23% karna hai toh engineers ke liye gs ka 70 kar do. Common But Differentiated Responsibility :grin:

Marks add hi kr dete hain tb 

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Any update on the hearing?
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Pam123said

Any update on the hearing?

After 11, we will have a fair idea.

Any updates?

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saw this in one of our TGs. Koi insider hai they said.

Does it mean petitioners lost? BTW this comment is from yesterday and 52% is not too bad. People were saying >75%.

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