Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain
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Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)
Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-
1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh
2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma
3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi
4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey
5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma
Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)
Entertainment industry is purely based on talent and audience acceptance. I don't understand what made you invoke caste here.
Sunne m intellectual lgta h caste ghusa do kahin bhi.
But In reality, bollywood has typecasted the upper caste section as casteist nd communal one.
no one is giving a high moral ground to hollywood. what i am saying is that same Indians who demand representation in hollywood back home argue that cinema is purely talent based industry. Just because few have been able o make it big doesnt mean that caste capital doesnt work in bollywood or that white privilege doesnt influence course of actors career in hollywood. Waki Bacchans, khans, kapoors ke cliques ko dekh ke pta chal jata hai how "meritorious" bolywood is.» show previous quotesafter Apu controversy there was a lot of clamor about Indian representation in hollywood, but when someone asks the same in our own country the debate veers towards isme bhi quota chahiye. Why cant we have these debates in India? if not quota atleast some sort of mechanism to increase diversity of cast in movies should be definitely adopted. It's queer that dancing and such activities were looked down upon and reserved for lower castes , but when power of market was unleashed and these activities became remunerative the same space was appropriated by privileged caste groups
Hollywood has no right to take high moral ground.They r just using that diversity to increase viewership in Africa and Asia.
Remember ,Irrfan ka 10 min role nd movie ko gazab publicity mil jaati thi India m.Real diversity hoti toh World war movies m Indian soldiers ka contribution dikhaya jata ,jo bahut significant tha.
Regarding bollywood, khans ,dilip Kumar, Madhubala ,Mithun Chakraborty ko itni importance nhi milti , bollywood m casteism or conservatism itna serius hota toh. Ab tum chahte ho ki tumhare uper hi movie banni chahiye toh kya hi kahen fir
thesleepyhead,
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)
Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-
1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh
2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma
3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi
4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey
5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma
Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)
Don't want to get into debates about reservation.
I think societal perception about reservations is not yet positive instead getting more negative day by day. So showing story of reserved aspirant can be riskier for producers (Kota factory, Aspirants ), it can be less relatable to larger audience.
@whatonly I think that is true. But what do you think is the reason behind it? Given that movies are made for mass consumption and then highlighting the characters which do not resonate with majority does not seem good from business point of view.
I too think the main reason is what you've said. It's not like writers and directors start out consciously thinking that we're going to portray only our narrow slice of reality. It's just what comes naturally to them. It's what appeals naturally to producers. We can't expect profit-loss executive decisions to factor in diversity until the general public actually starts demanding it.
Any representation that's coming now comes because some creators actually care about the importance of telling marginalized stories, going beyond the calculations of business. The whole industry isn't going to do that. So it is the age-old question of whether mass media should follow or lead society or simply reflect it.
Entertainment industry is purely based on talent and audience acceptance. I don't understand what made you invoke caste here.
The invocation of caste was done because most of the people in the industry invariably belong to the so-called "upper castes". With every caste, there is a certain worldview attached. This worldview is often reflected in the movies( the surnames are just an extension of that worldview). For diversity of expression, there should be an active debate and discussion about how more people from different walks of life can be included.
This is not asking for reservation or anything, just a step towards acknowledging the fact that an industry manned by certain communities cannot claim to represent the entire country. Some active steps are a must I feel, beginning with discussions.
no one is giving a high moral ground to hollywood. what i am saying is that same Indians who demand representation in hollywood back home argue that cinema is purely talent based industry. Just because few have been able o make it big doesnt mean that caste capital doesnt work in bollywood or that white privilege doesnt influence course of actors career in hollywood. Waki Bacchans, khans, kapoors ke cliques ko dekh ke pta chal jata hai how "meritorious" bolywood is.» show previous quotesafter Apu controversy there was a lot of clamor about Indian representation in hollywood, but when someone asks the same in our own country the debate veers towards isme bhi quota chahiye. Why cant we have these debates in India? if not quota atleast some sort of mechanism to increase diversity of cast in movies should be definitely adopted. It's queer that dancing and such activities were looked down upon and reserved for lower castes , but when power of market was unleashed and these activities became remunerative the same space was appropriated by privileged caste groups
Hollywood has no right to take high moral ground.They r just using that diversity to increase viewership in Africa and Asia.
Remember ,Irrfan ka 10 min role nd movie ko gazab publicity mil jaati thi India m.Real diversity hoti toh World war movies m Indian soldiers ka contribution dikhaya jata ,jo bahut significant tha.
Regarding bollywood, khans ,dilip Kumar, Madhubala ,Mithun Chakraborty ko itni importance nhi milti , bollywood m casteism or conservatism itna serius hota toh. Ab tum chahte ho ki tumhare uper hi movie banni chahiye toh kya hi kahen fir
Acchi movies dekho . Bachchans,khans nd Kapoors ke din gaye . Ab wo bas heritage ka part h.
Examples toh do ki koi lower caste waale ki caste puch li ho audition k time and use bhaga diya ho ?
I agree ki population k proportion m representation nhi h ,but ye kaise keh skte ho ki aisa discrimination k wajah se ho rha h.
Jobs nd education m discrimination h ,I agree. But ise solve karne k liye hi toh reservation h.
Just lack of representation doesn't mean there is discrimination.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)
Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-
1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh
2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma
3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi
4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey
5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma
Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)
Don't want to get into debates about reservation.
I think societal perception about reservations is not yet positive instead getting more negative day by day. So showing story of reserved aspirant can be riskier for producers (Kota factory, Aspirants ), it can be less relatable to larger audience.
No mate. I was not talking about showing reservations or granting reservations. All I meant was that when every series or show has a protagonist belonging to a community that percentage-wise is only 20%, is it okay?
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)
Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-
1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh
2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma
3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi
4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey
5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma
Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)
Entertainment industry is purely based on talent and audience acceptance. I don't understand what made you invoke caste here.
The invocation of caste was done because most of the people in the industry invariably belong to the so-called "upper castes". With every caste, there is a certain worldview attached. This worldview is often reflected in the movies( the surnames are just an extension of that worldview). For diversity of expression, there should be an active debate and discussion about how more people from different walks of life can be included. This is not asking for reservation or anything, just a step towards acknowledging the fact that an industry manned by certain communities cannot claim to represent the entire country. Some active steps are a must I feel, beginning with discussions.
I have a different view on this. People can get away with their worldviews in Bollywood, but not when it comes to OTT platforms, Youtube, etc.
Internet is merciless and it's extremely important to strike the cord with your audience and that's why talent assumes primary importance here.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)
Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-
1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh
2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma
3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi
4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey
5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma
Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)
Don't want to get into debates about reservation.
I think societal perception about reservations is not yet positive instead getting more negative day by day. So showing story of reserved aspirant can be riskier for producers (Kota factory, Aspirants ), it can be less relatable to larger audience.
No mate. I was not talking about showing reservations or granting reservations. All I meant was that when every series or show has a protagonist belonging to a community that percentage-wise is only 20%, is it okay?
@NOLEisGOAT this is what I was talking about.
NOLEisGOAT,
I too think the main reason is what you've said. It's not like writers and directors start out consciously thinking that we're going to portray only our narrow slice of reality. It's just what comes naturally to them. It's what appeals naturally to producers. We can't expect profit-loss executive decisions to factor in diversity until the general public actually starts demanding it.
Any representation that's coming now comes because some creators actually care about the importance of telling marginalized stories, going beyond the calculations of business. The whole industry isn't going to do that. So it is the age-old question of whether mass media should follow or lead society or simply reflect it.
I completely agree.
This is what happened to a game, called The Last of Us. It is of the most successful games out there. And in its 2nd season which dropped last year, they pushed a lot storylines which drew criticism from the majority gaming community (but demographically narrow: American). It received flak not just for woman-woman relationshipinvolving the protagonist, but also daring to incorporate many other subplots like complex nature of morality, forcing you to take different perspectives on an issue, complemented by lot of “gray” characters in general. Also, I should add that none of it was out the blue and never felt forced.
The thing is anything which deviates from the the normal, is automatically dubbed as SJW, or woke. But, the same people, would not question their notions about normality. Why is it that something is automatically the default way things should be in our heads?
The makers stood their ground in the wake of criticism. The game has now been picked up by HBO and will soon be a series, so it’s win in this case.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)
Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-
1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh
2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma
3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi
4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey
5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma
Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)
Don't want to get into debates about reservation.
I think societal perception about reservations is not yet positive instead getting more negative day by day. So showing story of reserved aspirant can be riskier for producers (Kota factory, Aspirants ), it can be less relatable to larger audience.
No mate. I was not talking about showing reservations or granting reservations. All I meant was that when every series or show has a protagonist belonging to a community that percentage-wise is only 20%, is it okay?
It isn't okay, I was talking about the makers' side perspective. Reservation line written by me was only to avoid debate with anyone.
I just wanted to say, If Abhilash was a reserved aspirant and got into service, the comment section would have been different.
For majority audience this was first experience about UPSC aspirants on entertainment media. Same for the kota factory.
The stories about aspirants who fights all the odds, prepare with jobs, no selection at last, selection in first attempt, issues faced by female aspirants etc are yet to be told. May be some day story of a tribal aspirant will be told or a northeastern candidate clearing UPSC not doing raps only.
Villanelle,SergioRamosab movies bhut dekhi hai pyasa ,pather panchali se leke nihalani ki aakrosh tak. but thats not the point while a sushant rajput is able to afford acting and dance classes, that privilege doesn't exist for a great section of society whose stories rarely find a mention in mainstream cinema.The father of Indian cinema dadasaheb happen to be a chitpavan brahmin not solely because of his talent, but also because of his privilege.no one is giving a high moral ground to hollywood. what i am saying is that same Indians who demand representation in hollywood back home argue that cinema is purely talent based industry. Just because few have been able o make it big doesnt mean that caste capital doesnt work in bollywood or that white privilege doesnt influence course of actors career in hollywood. Waki Bacchans, khans, kapoors ke cliques ko dekh ke pta chal jata hai how "meritorious" bolywood is.» show previous quotesafter Apu controversy there was a lot of clamor about Indian representation in hollywood, but when someone asks the same in our own country the debate veers towards isme bhi quota chahiye. Why cant we have these debates in India? if not quota atleast some sort of mechanism to increase diversity of cast in movies should be definitely adopted. It's queer that dancing and such activities were looked down upon and reserved for lower castes , but when power of market was unleashed and these activities became remunerative the same space was appropriated by privileged caste groups
Hollywood has no right to take high moral ground.They r just using that diversity to increase viewership in Africa and Asia.
Remember ,Irrfan ka 10 min role nd movie ko gazab publicity mil jaati thi India m.Real diversity hoti toh World war movies m Indian soldiers ka contribution dikhaya jata ,jo bahut significant tha.
Regarding bollywood, khans ,dilip Kumar, Madhubala ,Mithun Chakraborty ko itni importance nhi milti , bollywood m casteism or conservatism itna serius hota toh. Ab tum chahte ho ki tumhare uper hi movie banni chahiye toh kya hi kahen fir
Acchi movies dekho . Bachchans,khans nd Kapoors ke din gaye . Ab wo bas heritage ka part h.
Examples toh do ki koi lower caste waale ki caste puch li ho audition k time and use bhaga diya ho ?
I agree ki population k proportion m representation nhi h ,but ye kaise keh skte ho ki aisa discrimination k wajah se ho rha h.
Jobs nd education m discrimination h ,I agree. But ise solve karne k liye hi toh reservation h.
Just lack of representation doesn't mean there is discrimination.
SergioRamos,Eklavya17Is it just me or anyone else feels like, while pandemic has been hard for aspirants, the friends are getting new highs in corporate sector. Every friend of mine is getting unexpected hikes, even multiple offers.
PS: yes I know, our life should not be about comparing and blah blah blah .....................
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