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There are certain services where agnipath can work and certain were it can't. We cannot adopt one size fits policy for all.  I think agnipath can work fine for irs service as after 4 year of service, they can be absorbed by corporate and industries.
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@Truthseeker9 just read an article suggesting it. It is not considered by  government yet. But  looks possible looking at intent of government to reform.


Either way civil servants are glorified clerks under political executive better if they are skill and experienced ones rather flamboyant Instagram generation of ias we are looking at. 

Instagram really hurt you. Otherwise where does instagram enter between specialist generalist debate ?

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@Truthseeker9 just read an article suggesting it. It is not considered by  government yet. But  looks possible looking at intent of government to reform.


Either way civil servants are glorified clerks under political executive better if they are skill and experienced ones rather flamboyant Instagram generation of ias we are looking at. 

Are you on instagram?

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@Truthseeker9 civil servants are just group A officers with salary of more than 15 lakhs per annum CTC. They get similar attention as 10 pass actor gets as he is public face.. he is endowed with some constitutional power and some adm power some time which is similar to MP MLA. He is just an another guy who stands shoulder to shoulder with influncials.  He has very small responsibility of managing district later may be entire ministry, if gets opp.
He is similar to just an IT guy who can be sent to abroad for some work.
He get big bunglow with servants, this is not imp, every IT guys is having 1bHK and one kanta Bai.
He gets car with some body guards. This is also just an ordinary thing as many people nowadays having car and Munna Bhaiya as body guards jo.ladke leke ayega

As diwali is coming, he will get atlest 50 kg of mithais and atlest 100 Gms in gold coins and many more that may be around 5 10 lakhs.
Diwali gift to meko bhi milta 2000 rs and ek sonpapdi ka dibba and some clients will give 1 kpg 2 kg sweets if lucky. 


CS is just an ordinary job and over rated as kejriwal is overrated at national level.. sambhal to bas municipality raha hai.




ryzenauster,
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Bhai pehle shaadi ho jaane do phir bacchon k baare mein sochna. Abhi toh attempt badhane ka govt soch rhi hogi to get political mileage instead of Agnipath 2.0
Kenshein,ryzenauster
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But tiktokker and Instagramer ban k civil servant dikha raha ki , vo kisi se kam nahi.. abhi mithe(sweet) ias ana baki hai...
ryzenauster,
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@Kenshein where's it coming from? any concrete source?


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@Truthseeker9 just read an article suggesting it. It is not considered by  government yet. But  looks possible looking at intent of government to reform.


Either way civil servants are glorified clerks under political executive better if they are skill and experienced ones rather flamboyant Instagram generation of ias we are looking at. 

Instagram really hurt you. Otherwise where does instagram enter between specialist generalist debate ?

Instagram generation does not means only Instagram and as I said skilled and experienced one. 

Btw agnipath is not about specialist. That is lateral entry thing. Looks like you have half baked knowledge. :)

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@Kenshein where's it coming from? any concrete source?


https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/after-agnipath-india-is-in-need-of-a-nitipath-for-its-civil-services-11661702562888.html

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@Truthseeker9 just read an article suggesting it. It is not considered by  government yet. But  looks possible looking at intent of government to reform.


Either way civil servants are glorified clerks under political executive better if they are skill and experienced ones rather flamboyant Instagram generation of ias we are looking at. 

Instagram really hurt you. Otherwise where does instagram enter between specialist generalist debate ?

Instagram generation does not means only Instagram and as I said skilled and experienced one. 

Btw agnipath is not about specialist. That is lateral entry thing. Looks like you have half baked knowledge. :)

You were calling IAS as overhyped clerk (generalist) and then suggested that they ought to be specialized. That’s a generalist specialist debate. Neither agnipath nor instagram has anything to do with it.

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@paranthapijja currently it is just an idea formulated by various retired civil servants in different newspaper articles.


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@Kenshein who will study for temporary job? Agnipath is only feasible for class 3 or 4 job. 


iphoole,
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@Capedcrusader1 btw  IAS is not generalist, he is specialist in management. Govt is now focusing on domains specialisation. Kitabi Gyan se and mere chote se 6 sal k managerial  exp se...generally,  Specialists are not good managers. They can be good supervisor.. isi liye corporate me bhi IIMs or mgmt grads prefer karte rather than promoting an engineer to management position. Max he can be product head rather than Gm or country head or CEO. 85 percent CEOs in corporate belongs to marketing and general management. Marketing is also similar to general management. 

Cook can be chief chef, but most of the hotels are run by entrepreneurs jinkmshayad khana bhi na banana ata hai.. 
IRMS debate bahut interesting hai .. esp by technical side hasi ati hai.. unke tark sun k


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@Capedcrusader1 btw  IAS is not generalist, he is specialist in management. Govt is now focusing on domains specialisation. Kitabi Gyan se and mere chote se 6 sal k managerial  exp se...generally,  Specialists are not good managers. They can be good supervisor.. isi liye corporate me bhi IIMs or mgmt grads prefer karte rather than promoting an engineer to management position. Max he can be product head rather than Gm or country head or CEO. 85 percent CEOs in corporate belongs to marketing and general management. Marketing is also similar to general management. 

Cook can be chief chef, but most of the hotels are run by entrepreneurs.. 
IRMS debate bahut interesting hai .. esp by technical side hasi ati hai.. unke tark sun k


I never talked about nature of ias

gentleman’s comment can be referred.

he clearly said agnipath is specialist.

shayad sarkar se pehle inse scheme pass hoti hogi 

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 @Capedcrusader1 i am supporting u bro. Kon specialist 4 5 sal k liye ayegaa... Or kon 4 6 sal me specialist ban jayega..

Specialist are career specialist.. jinhone apni jindagi usme sopi hai.. 

Apni path sirf  brute force k liye hai...Agni path implement ho hi na sakta... Buddhe tik tok pe hag nahi sakte, to newspaper me hagte hai... This is called intellectual chutiyapa. Jo buddhe ias kar rahe.. Agnipath ka idea copy kar k recommend Karo.. inko bas itna hi ata hai.. copy paste..


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@Kenshein who will study for temporary job? Agnipath is only feasible for class 3 or 4 job. 


I differ from your point of view. Indian revenue services, Indian corporate services can be ideal for agnipath like scheme. This has potential to attract candidates as corporates would always prefer background in tax related issue.Certainly not ias, ips and ifs where experience matter.

For armed forces agnipath there are still many candidates who have applied. We have 1.4 billion population and many unemployed graduates like me  would happily take class 1 job even if it is for four years and then switch to other private firms where experienced is valued. But yes doctors, iitians and iims may not prefer it.

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@Kenshein Yes ideal.. but who will go to work there. Indian account service ko consider karte

Good CA or MBA finance from IIM ?
Ya ek young chote gav ka talent, jo mahnat kar k ek level pe aa raha? Kya vo join karega for 4 years?

Such agnipath will be paradise for tier 2 3 100 college students, who just want job.. 4 year Agni path may give them job in corporate at good salary... 

Bhai tumko corporate kyu le... CA , mBA finance, CFA etc kya mazak kar rahe..


Sab dogla pan hai... 


Such agnipath will be prefered even after IBpS po job.. believe it or not... 


Lawstice,
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 @Capedcrusader1 i am supporting u bro. Kon specialist 4 5 sal k liye ayegaa... Or kon 4 6 sal me specialist ban jayega..

Specialist are career specialist.. jinhone apni jindagi usme sopi hai.. 

Apni path sirf  brute force k liye hai...Agni path implement ho hi na sakta... Buddhe tik tok pe hag nahi sakte, to newspaper me hagte hai... This is called intellectual chutiyapa. Jo buddhe ias kar rahe.. Agnipath ka idea copy kar k recommend Karo.. inko bas itna hi ata hai.. copy paste..


Bro my simple point is that the idea of agnipath is not poorly envisaged. It’s the need of the hour. 

I agree with its basic tenet. How it will unfold in CS no one knows. So clearly everyone has half baked knowledge about its nature in CS.

And as far as glorifying of Cs is concerned, is topic ko toh rehne hi do bhai 

Lawstice,ryzenauster
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@Kenshein one point I missed, bro u will go for full time bank job through IBPS or SSC... Rather than agnipath.. india me bahut capable log hai..jobs kam hai.. agnipath ko candidate  milege. Tum aj 8 hours laga k kam kar rahe upsc me success lene. People like u needed for full time career-bureaucrat rather than raat gayi baat gayi .

Govt ko itna na PTA, bhai vo private wala Banda darta na hai.. na hi kisi se control hota.. govt pressure doge to vo switch kar lege.. ek lateral entrant choda na..

Govt ka chutiyapa sirf full time wale jhelte.. sala secure job chod nahi sakte.. boss ka suno.. ya phir na suno job to secure hai...


Private is successful becos of ecology, not bcos of people.. govt ko ecology na change karni..bas people change karne.. it's like dhul chahre pe thi, ias babu ayena saaf karne wale reform la rahega the


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