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"There is a reason why Indians have high hopes in government sector jobs, because it has stability, despite salary being low and working condition not upto the mark"
I beg to differ from this. The reason why Indians (most) are obsessed with government job is because it is a quick and cheap way to make money. You go to a 'Peshkar' in court, he will ask you money to put a date. An Official selling stamp of Rs 50 will charge you Rs 100 in name of 'Chai Paani'. You want to clear some dues in 'treasury office', you will have to do it by greasing the wheel. This is the truth of government service where for getting a single signature of an official, one has to take care of associates.
@AureliusMRegarding social security net, I do agree to some extent. However, Private sector also has a good social security net. The informal economy is where we are big time lacking this. And about cut throat environment, it depends on work culture of company to company. The thing is the current system in government service is not upto the mark. And, if by paying more money or due to privatisation, one can get optimum service, many will want that. People who cant afford those, there comes the duty of government to make the service affordable without compromising the quality.
@KratosOfPUBGBhai, I have seen you making personal comments. Please put your thoughts by respecting others opinion. All of us here have 'common sense' and yes, we don't use 'socio-economic' everytime. :)
The argument of cheap and quick money does not hold ground. Lakhs of students apply for post of teacher where extra source of income is almost nil. (Those who r not headmaster)
The main reason is higher pay for lower skill atleast at lower levels. For instance a driver in open market can get maximum12 k to 15k. But in public sector it may go upto 35 to 40k with many additional benefits.
sjerngal,All the so-called "efficient" PSUs have either captive markets, or some kind of monopoly/previleged access to resources. This way, anybody and anything can be profitable, as long as there's demand.
"I know many public sector clerks who are hardworking, but they are failed by their bosses" is a self goal, as an argument.
Someone mentioned failure of post Soviet countries due to privatisation. Well, the history books say something different. It was the earlier communist honchos who ended up running these businesses. The "connections" didn't 'wither away' like the communist party. In short, the earlier system continued under the garb of "privatisation". That's not what you mean by competitive market. That's why the government has to ensure a level playing field and proper competition. Whichever countries that have succeeded in the modern world in a sustainable way, this is the major factor if you see.
Social security is no longer an aspect for choosing public sector jobs, after the 2006 NPS trouble. It's contributory pension now. What's the difference with private sector there?
Someone said, the lower level workers are hard working, but the higher level people don't make decisions quick. Well, you've explained the phrase "bureaucratic" here, my friend. Nobody wants to take a decision, because anyways you will get fixed salary, then why change things and risk trouble later? Simply walk along the age old path, that's the safest thing in bureaucracy.
There's a story about the new collector. When he joined office, saw that there's a watchman guarding the green bench on the lawn. He saw it for the next two days too, and became curious. He asked the guard, why he is standing there and why nobody sits there. He innocently answered, "I don't know sir, this is my job. The guy before me also had the same job". So the collector called the guard before him. He also said the same answer. The curious collector disentangled the whole thing and finally got to know that some collector decades ago asked the bench to be painted and asked the guard to watch over it (so that nobody sits on wet paint). He got a sudden transfer and the "ritual" continued. An exaggerated story, but pretty much sums up bureaucracy.
Good point of people applying for teacher where extra income is almost 'nil'.The argument of cheap and quick money does not hold ground. Lakhs of students apply for post of teacher where extra source of income is almost nil. (Those who r not headmaster)
The main reason is higher pay for lower skill atleast at lower levels. For instance a driver in open market can get maximum12 k to 15k. But in public sector it may go upto 35 to 40k with many additional benefits.
People have suffered enough from hands of babus. So, they themselves want to become babus and do the same. This is the sad truth :(
I have seen people asking not the expected salary for the post applied rather how much 'upper waala income' one can get from that service. Be it for peon, driver, clerk or teacher.
Philip_Marlowe,Good point of people applying for teacher where extra income is almost 'nil'.The argument of cheap and quick money does not hold ground. Lakhs of students apply for post of teacher where extra source of income is almost nil. (Those who r not headmaster)
The main reason is higher pay for lower skill atleast at lower levels. For instance a driver in open market can get maximum12 k to 15k. But in public sector it may go upto 35 to 40k with many additional benefits.
In answer to this, I would like to highlight the issue of poor status of government schools. Even if the teacher is not earning extra, many of them are just there for passing time and chilling instead of providing education to kids. I consider this as a way of making cheap money. Because, without doing anything and being absent for long period, you are still getting full salary.Plus, there is a lot of quid pro quo among headmasters and teachers in school admissions, mid day meal, money for purchasing clothes etc.
People have suffered enough from hands of babus. So, they themselves want to become babus and do the same. This is the sad truth :(
I have seen people asking not the expected salary for the post applied rather how much 'upper waala income' one can get from that service. Be it for peon, driver, clerk or teacher.
Please dont make extrapolation regarding out incomes. By that logic if someone feels happy at job then his salary should be reduced as happiness can be considered as extra income only. By your logic if salary of teachers is reduced to 5k per month with no additional support still lakhs will apply for that post as it allows chit chat (out income).
Reagrding MDM n other scams: black money remain limited to headmaster n his associates. Very few cabdidates think of such things while applying for teachers job.
Peopel r dying for job of government teacher because it allows people with poor skill to get good salary. For same skill they may get salary of less than 10 k in open market but 40k in govt. I hv never seen highly skilled teachers @ reputed private schools (good salary) applying for govt. teachers post.(* experience related to bihar governments decision to give teachers job to trained candidates.)
Good point of people applying for teacher where extra income is almost 'nil'.The argument of cheap and quick money does not hold ground. Lakhs of students apply for post of teacher where extra source of income is almost nil. (Those who r not headmaster)
The main reason is higher pay for lower skill atleast at lower levels. For instance a driver in open market can get maximum12 k to 15k. But in public sector it may go upto 35 to 40k with many additional benefits.
In answer to this, I would like to highlight the issue of poor status of government schools. Even if the teacher is not earning extra, many of them are just there for passing time and chilling instead of providing education to kids. I consider this as a way of making cheap money. Because, without doing anything and being absent for long period, you are still getting full salary.Plus, there is a lot of quid pro quo among headmasters and teachers in school admissions, mid day meal, money for purchasing clothes etc.
People have suffered enough from hands of babus. So, they themselves want to become babus and do the same. This is the sad truth :(
I have seen people asking not the expected salary for the post applied rather how much 'upper waala income' one can get from that service. Be it for peon, driver, clerk or teacher.
Generalization of teachers is not good. I have seen teachers in government schools working very diligently whatever duties are assigned to them. They are burdened with examination duties, election duties, even census works are carried on by them. The success of major government programs like MDM etc are due to the exemplary work done by thousands of teachers out there.
On the other hand there were also teachers in my private school who just came to class, read the chapters, whiled away their time, picked up their salaries and went happily to their homes. There are people like this on both sides - Government as well as private. The thing is we should not put everyone under the same blanket.
brownianMotion,RaGa
Ok bro. Maybe I was wrong.Please dont make extrapolation regarding out incomes. By that logic if someone feels happy at job then his salary should be reduced as happiness can be considered as extra income only. By your logic if salary of teachers is reduced to 5k per month with no additional support still lakhs will apply for that post as it allows chit chat (out income).
Reagrding MDM n other scams: black money remain limited to headmaster n his associates. Very few cabdidates think of such things while applying for teachers job.
Peopel r dying for job of government teacher because it allows people with poor skill to get good salary. For same skill they may get salary of less than 10 k in open market but 40k in govt. I hv never seen highly skilled teachers @ reputed private schools (good salary) applying for govt. teachers post.(* experience related to bihar governments decision to give teachers job to trained candidates.)
I'm sorry about the personal shots. I just got frustrated watching people defend a system which has failed across space and time and oppose a system which has succeeded across space and time.
I've personally seen people do the bare minimum in their jobs. I've personally pretended to be overworked and overburdened with work. Learned this trick from other seniors. Performance based promotions and incentives, if implemented can propel our country towards prosperity as it has done for every single developed country today. It's the single most important thing needed for development. You need to put in place a system that makes sure everyone is doing their jobs well and giving it their full attention. Otherwise people will play pubg at government salary.
Socioeconomic is a great argument. You should use it twice in each paper to ensure you don't overdo it, but still make clear which side you're on.
My point was not to generalize anyone or anything. I respect all professions and teachers most.Good point of people applying for teacher where extra income is almost 'nil'.The argument of cheap and quick money does not hold ground. Lakhs of students apply for post of teacher where extra source of income is almost nil. (Those who r not headmaster)
The main reason is higher pay for lower skill atleast at lower levels. For instance a driver in open market can get maximum12 k to 15k. But in public sector it may go upto 35 to 40k with many additional benefits.
In answer to this, I would like to highlight the issue of poor status of government schools. Even if the teacher is not earning extra, many of them are just there for passing time and chilling instead of providing education to kids. I consider this as a way of making cheap money. Because, without doing anything and being absent for long period, you are still getting full salary.Plus, there is a lot of quid pro quo among headmasters and teachers in school admissions, mid day meal, money for purchasing clothes etc.
People have suffered enough from hands of babus. So, they themselves want to become babus and do the same. This is the sad truth :(
I have seen people asking not the expected salary for the post applied rather how much 'upper waala income' one can get from that service. Be it for peon, driver, clerk or teacher.
Generalization of teachers is not good. I have seen teachers in government schools working very diligently whatever duties are assigned to them. They are burdened with examination duties, election duties, even census works are carried on by them. The success of major government programs like MDM etc are due to the exemplary work done by thousands of teachers out there.
On the other hand there were also teachers in my private school who just came to class, read the chapters, whiled away their time, picked up their salaries and went happily to their homes. There are people like this on both sides - Government as well as private. The thing is we should not put everyone under the same blanket.
» show previous quotesMy point was not to generalize anyone or anything. I respect all professions and teachers most.I wanted to point out inherent inefficiency in government services everywhere, be it in Judiciary, Offices etc. Teacher point was selectively put to counter my argument.
Got it. But what exactly is inefficiency? Is it lack of profit?
RaGa,Ok, I will just give few example so that the discussion is just not on teachers. I am sorry if anyone got hurt due to statements on teachers. I respect teachers most.
This is based on my own experiences and few of my friends who are working at PSUs or government departments to point out the inefficient system
1. Fire Safety engineer at Bombay High - A minor fire was there. The seniors did not want to report it because it can have a negative impact on their career profile.
Result - A major fire took place few days later and my friend had to put his own life at stake to douse that fire. And yeah, they gave him an award for his bravery.
2. Biometric Attendance system not working at a renowned PSU - No one to correct it so that it can reveal the truth of their attendance. My friend took and tried to correct it. Nothing happened.
3. The street light in my locality failed. I wrote a mail and few of locality members visited the main office. No one came to fix that light. The employee came after 20 days and asked Rs. 100 for 'chai paani'
4. Friend travelled in a train. Asked TTE to somehow give a confirmed birth from RAC. A waiting ticket person paid 100 and got the confirmed birth
5. Poor person wanted to get date at civil court. Peshkar asked him to pay Rs. 100. Person had come on cycle from ~20 KM. He had to give that money. In lunch, he had brought roti, namak and achar. Trust me, I am not making this up.
6. Friend wanted to submit his affidavit in SDM court. The peon asked him to pay 500. As per him, There were more than 100 affidavits submitted in that office that day.
This is how inefficient our things are. Privatisation may not be the solution but the current solution is rotten to the core. Just do the bare minimum and stick to the traditions. You will go high. :(
Ok, I will just give few example so that the discussion is just not on teachers. I am sorry if anyone got hurt due to statements on teachers. I respect teachers most.
This is based on my own experiences and few of my friends who are working at PSUs or government departments to point out the inefficient system
1. Fire Safety engineer at Bombay High - A minor fire was there. The seniors did not want to report it because it can have a negative impact on their career profile.
Result - A major fire took place few days later and my friend had to put his own life at stake to douse that fire. And yeah, they give him an award for his bravery.
2. Biometric Attendance system not working at a renowned PSU - No one to correct it so that it can reveal the truth of true attendance profile. My friend took and tried to correct it. Nothing happened.
3. The street light in my locality failed. I wrote a mail and few of locality members visited the main office. No one came to fix that light. The employee came after 20 days and asked Rs. 100 for 'chai paani'
4. Friend travelled in a train. Asked TTE to somehow give a confirmed birth from RAC. A waiting ticket person paid 100 and got the confirmed birth
5. Poor person wanted to get date at civil court. Peshkar asked him to pay Rs. 100. Person had come on cycle from ~20 KM.
6. Friend wanted to submit his affidavit in SDM court. The peon asked him to pay 500. As per him, There were more than 100 affidavits submitted in that office that day.
This is how inefficient our things are. Privatisation may not be the solution but the current solution is rotten to the core.
Good points. However similar inefficiencies are in the private sector too.
1. Wanted to get my washing machine serviced. Kept complaining to the company, no response. 6 months went by. Posted on social media, bam next day guy arrives with all his tools like he would invent washing machine.
2. People jump ahead in line in the recruitment process through referrals. I am sure that's not very efficient.
There are many more examples similar to this. Yes a blanket privatisation is definitely not the solution. The current system should be made more efficient.
Its just that those who want to do something, they are punished somehow.» show previous quotesMy point was not to generalize anyone or anything. I respect all professions and teachers most.I wanted to point out inherent inefficiency in government services everywhere, be it in Judiciary, Offices etc. Teacher point was selectively put to counter my argument.
Got it. But what exactly is inefficiency? Is it lack of profit?
KratosOfPUBG,Yes, your point 1 is spot on. You can use social media to raise your grievances in private sector. Because, for them their brand image is paramount. In government departments, there is nothing like that.Good points. However similar inefficiencies are in the private sector too.
1. Wanted to get my washing machine serviced. Kept complaining to the company, no response. 6 months went by. Posted on social media, bam next day guy arrives with all his tools like he would invent washing machine.
2. People jump ahead in line in the recruitment process through referrals. I am sure that's not very efficient.
There are many more examples similar to this. Yes a blanket privatisation is definitely not the solution. The current system should be made more efficient.
Hopefully, those of us who get selected will give their best to change this scenario and will work towards achieving antyodaya:)
Anyone having trouble retaining attention in studies...? Clocking 12-14 hours during mains weeks has come down to 1-2 hours max now. Last year I wasted 3-4 months in similar situation so I can see a disaster in making but cant avert it...
History repeating itself first as tragedy and now as farce....
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Anyone having trouble retaining attention in studies...? Clocking 12-14 hours during mains weeks has come down to 1-2 hours max now. Last year I wasted 3-4 months in similar situation so I can see a disaster in making but cant avert it...
History repeating itself first as tragedy and now as farce....
make daily plans and for a week or two sleep for 9+ hours. This will have two benifits, one you will wake up relaxed and two the guilt of oversleeping will hopefully encourage you to give most of rest hours to productive work.
Jajantaram Mamantaram
nerdslayer,sjerngal
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