@STnot at all bhai, as someone mentioned earlier that based on 3-4 easy questions we can't say paper was easy. Gs1 has wide ambiguity for society culture et. al. related questions, so can't be sure how it's interpreted by checker. Goodluck to all
@Kira0705times like these I hope there's a hell in afterlife, for those people who analyse mains paper without ever appearing for mains exam.
@pmishra997125I too felt in the beginning that such type of papers are aimed to reduce the prominence of coaching centres, but one of my senior (IPS 2015) told me after 2017 paper that increasing randomness in papers whether prelim or mains, is only going to increase fear psychosis among aspirants, which is the basic mantra of coaching centres.
And looking at market trend, I couldn't agree more. Markets are infested with new materials each year and new coachings prop up every damn season.
Seeing these papers, new aspirants will jump for 3 different test series instead of 1, thinking that it'll help them cover 'all possible dimensions'.
Despite upsc's best intention, I feel it's not serving the desired objective..
@Champakdon't say that mate, completing all questions was the only positive thing in this mains for me
P.S: there goes my last grain of hope...
@Champak, attesting the last part of your comment, I received 52 marks in 19q in gs2 full length vision, 15 days before the Mains and finally got 107. A friend of mine recieved 95 in same paper and finally got 92.
Man upsc is full of surprises. Year was 2017.
@Kira0705watch this 5 minute video from School of Life. Helped me focus on optional after screwing up GS.
@Kira0705does it have anything more apart from muhavre? Paryayvachi, shabd arth etc?
@DijkstraI have very similar experience, how did you score in gs2 and gs3 in 2017?
@Dijkstranice, goodluck for '19.
This query is open for anyone who may genuinely know the answer. My paper2 (law) did not go well; seeing the trend, across optionals one paper was considerably tougher. My question is, does UPSC take any measure for equalizing the effects between paper1 and paper2 or between aspirants of all optionals? Or it's majorly as it is, and quite probable one may recieve 150 and 100 respectively in each paper of optional.
While I realize no way to find out until april '2020, just here trying to seek some consolation in distress. Thanks in advance.
@John_Titorhahah, hi5!
I felt like UPSC is trying to communicate with us.
@Joeyisthebestthat is interesting, in 2017 my paper 1 went really good and I had 140 while paper 2 was just okay and score 136. Barely any divergence, though it was a pleasant surprise then, not so sure of 2019. Thanks for replying.
@zombielandidk why but understanding that variations are not drastic is a bit soothing. Thanks
@Yes_I_am_inhaan yar 2 likh lete hain...not big issue plus it's gs only so barely any advantage
@sat_009that makes sense. Let me put my second dilemma, so my optional paper2 is giving me sleepless nights as it didn't go well for me. However, past experience shows that there is not much of variation in marks.
2017: p1-140 (paper went good) p2: 136 (paper was considerably below expectations)
Another acquintance's: p1- 125 (paper went good) p2: 119 (only 210 marks attempted and other answers also below average).
this has put me in a quandary as to how optional marking works..anybody with more experience is invited to explain this..
@sat_009Law
@TeddyWestsideshort answer, yes. Long answer: depends upon the facts of the case. (Customs related issues may have slight differences in applicability of MV Act).
@K_9hahaha, good times
I invited him for Biryani and the brother told me he'd like to have it directly at LBSNAA! Sometimes I envy him, I wish I was that confident
@TeddyWestsidefunny part is that the moment @ sat commented about civility in discourse. I knew EXACTLY what dkt's reply would be.
He still hasn't shown the marksheet with 165 marks in essay right?
@K_9oh come on! With 120+ in pt, 160+ in essay and expecting 860/1500 in mains, where's the need for improvement?
@Chanakyabhai it wouldn't matter much if you had attempted all questions, without knowing much content. Little personal e.g for you: In 2017 my gs score was 91,107,94,85 and anybody writing mains that year can tell you this score is much much below average. It was my first mains and I was told attempt all questions, come what may! Now I hadn't read any newspaper or any ncert book, at all. I picked up mains365 and model answers, enrolled in 3 test series. Voila! I completed all answers and was quite positive about my performance too! Until I saw the marksheet, and I realized that completion of paper is important, but not as important as people make it to be. I barely knew 7-8 questions in each gs paper that year but had attempted all.
So, moral of the story is if u have written content in questions you attempted, stay positively hopeful! All the best to you!
@vvvikas0078212yes yes I agree, gs3 particularly was the anchor, more so considering the fact, 115+ was avg. in my friend circle. As for gs2, due to law degree I feel over ambitious, quite wrongly I suppose... ..this mains around, since I failed prelim last year so had better prep with newspaper editorials and ncert..knew roughly 13-14 questions with some credence..either way 7 mins for a answer, it is only a rat race, barely good enough time to provide unique analysis... solely my observation
Worrying majorly due to law optional, paper 2
@zombielandyes, that makes more sense..but the guidance I received then was more on the lines of "poora attempt karo, har haal mein" which I feel is more of a misguided advice, absent any caveats.
@Caesarkuch bhi baney yaar. Bas law and order me kuch compromise na ho.
Gareeb aadmi hee marta hai..
@Caesaraccha...positively kuch hona toh nhi chahiye..koi election etc. bhi nhi hai around the corner.. Plus almost every person in authority has been proactive in making statements regarding peace etc..dekhte hai kal phir
@Shubzcentre kidhar hai?
@Caesaritna difficult bhi nhi hai bhai, kuch pockets hote hain har city me, agar waha vigil tight hai aur processions pe control hai toh 80 percent chance kam ho jata hai.
Anyway. Kal ke liye double best of luck!
@DKTkya yar, itna wait kia tmhare reply ka aur tum bas itna likhe? Khair, thoda dimag tez chalao, agle baar paper complete krne me bhi asaani hogi. Ashirwad hai.
@Shubzarey chill. People in power there have very different problems
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@DKTall the best mere UP wale bhai! Kisi ka bura kyu chahenge yaar, jo mehnat kia sabko uska phal mile hamari kamna hai, sasura mains khopdia ghuma deta hai waise bhi..
@foxmulderre-election k mood mein hai yeh log
@CaesarUP me S. 144 lag gyi hai waise...exam kaise karwayenge
@K_9tum maanoge nhi
Hogya aaj ka entertainment yar
@visionmanhahah, I think someone mentioned earlier about Shankar saying 9th...so got jittery and made calls. Seems like result would be earlier than expected...sooner the better
@dr-ahmednaaz8567people sharing their expected scores on other thread, (all above 800+) is making me more anxious..I thought we had unanimously understood that papers were difficult/uncertain.
@dr-ahmednaaz8567ofcourse they do bhai, but that's after the result is declared.. Before the result if in unanimity 800+ is usual expectation then the papers weren't as uncertain as I thought..to each his own!
I have only one mains to compare with (2017-792 marks)..this time around .essay went fine, gs was like everyone else's, law paper 2 went not so good, so a bit of apprehension..what about you?
@sat_009thanks a ton! Funny thing is I can't remember how my optional paper 2 went in '17..the score was fine (136) and it didn't go well then either. I have seen 265-305 marks in law over the years, around my friend circle. Not less, never more. That's not very good but I think it's still decent for selection, may be?
Goodluck to you also. Keep holdin' that rope tight!
@Thoroughly_Screwedsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
But I want issues with ppl, fights, upsc made me a monster and I want to unleash myself forum.
In times like these,@DKTis the hero we need, but don't deserve
@TeddyWestsidethat is because you feel the cut off this year, would drop anyway
@Thoroughly_Screwediska wala maal mujhe bhi chahiye, tagda hai..kyu bhai@TeddyWestside?
@TeddyWestsidebhai aap asmaan ki uchaiyon mein posted hai, udhar kohra hee kohra hai.
Waise Result theek rha toh ayenge zaroor..
@TeddyWestsidemujhe toh question bhi nhi yaad ab. Aap answer pooch rhe
For anyone who is feeling any sense of obscurity and vagueness..
A serene message for any of us who feels 'behind in life'.
6min video:
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@Rags"can really fetch good marks if someone done well" can be said for any GS paper, and Optional Paper too
Also I understand this is a hard time waiting for result but one must remember to sober up the expectations of marks..
One IAS told me once, itna socha mat karo. Bas kaam karte raho, the U in UPSC is unexpected/ unapologetic/ uncertain.. Best wishes
@Ragsyar toppers kitne hee hote hain? I mean couple of us may get 560+ in gs, essay and feature in merit list. But that's just few tens of people, rather than a average performance..
And bhai I dis-liked because there are multiple assumptions made in that post, which may throw off an aspirant who has written only 1 or 2 Mains.. No hard feelings
And bhai no it's not impossible to score that much. But it is quite impossible to predict that one will get 560/540, beforehand. Again, my best wishes to you.
@ranyo_asokaek reliable source ne toh bahot generic baat boli aaj, UPSC ne limit 24 dec rakhi hai, so between 10th-15th aa jana chahiye...gs checking done, optional remaining...
@vvvikas0078212hahah, bhai mahaul toh wahi 10 k around banega..source code update type baatein, commission mein 3 desktops active ki khabre raat ko, kisi ka father's third cousin's second daughter's first husband as section officer will tell meeting date for result declaration
Itne se info se kahan mahaul banta hai bhai?
@bevancomin the words of Abraham Lincoln: You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Either your insider is taking you for a ride or you're taking us for one but optional papers are being checked right now..insider telling marks is believable but ONLY during/after tabulation, which will not be before 3-4 December
@ranyo_asokakhabar toh yahi hai 10-15..
@ranyo_asoka
ibteda e ishq hai, rota hai kya.
Aage aage dekhiye, hota hai kya
Ibteda: beginning
@ranyo_asokaab yahan log apna exact marks pata kar de rhe hai bhai..aur kya chahiye
@bevancomsaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
Insider info:cutoff is 778.Highest in essay is 163.Aur insider ne mere marks bhi pata laga liye hain.I m getting 848.
Khushi. .
@ranyo_asoka2 din pehle tak inhe lag rha tha per essay 24 page likh k aye hain, lekin ab seedhe marks bhi pata karliye...
Agar ham karein to karein kya bole toh bolein kya
@bevancomconsider my comment too in a lighter vein if yours was supposed to be a joke. Secondly, never claimed that technicality trumps diligence, or that I have superior knowledge or xyz, I was only pointing to the sheer irony of things in your previous comment..
All of us write to our best ability and have a lot at stake here, that's why randomly putting fake figures about cutoffs and self congratulations needed to be called out.
Sow the wind, reap a whirlwind. It's that simple.
Thanks for your wishes, I wish you good luck too.
after reading posts about ews et. al and its impact on result, don't know why but mann nhi karta padhne ka, phir se attempt dene ka, ya forum pe bhi comment krne ka... I understand the nuances of reservation policy in public employment and to a great extent I do agree with it too, just sharing the midnight exasperation here...koi bura mat maan lena bhai
@Ragsit's common knowledge yar, why else do you think Vajiram gets so many selections each year?
@Dijkstrathe said topic is there in paper only because our media isn't a watchdog of democracy anymore... pathetic line of thinking by Insights...spreading lies just to enrol 4 more kids.
I hope UPSC is not looking for 'yes sir, yes maam' types only..though looking around, one can only hope that such is not the case..
Why is it that EWS is expected to be tooo low? I personally think it would be 10-12 marks down from UR but reading all these comments made me call couple of friends who have applied under EWS to ascertain..when I asked them if certificates were too difficult to be procured, both said they had submitted certificates, and believe most would have too, their logic- "yaar upsc mein kyu koi chance miss karega? Idhar Udhar Harr side jugaad krke submit kiye lekin time se pehle".
The other logic for low cutoff for ews that baaki exam me kam gya ka jawab na bhai mere paas hai na unke pas. Bas mujhe lagta hai upsc aur baki exam me zyada similarities nhi hongi.
P.S: haalat uss paragliding video fail wale ki see hogyi hai.
Mai MC hun jo isme aaya.
@vvvikas0078212arey launde yahan sc/st ki cutoff pe pahocha de rhe. Matlab kya karu? Baap se bolu ghar bech dein, agle attempt se pehle?
@dancingminionbilkul dekhna padega phir toh!
@AzadHindFauzpls can you share the source?
@AzadHindFauzbuddy i'm not doubting the number, just want to be double sure. Eitherway, could you share the case number/name/date if you know. I have collegues practicing in CAT, will confirm myself.
@AzadHindFauzconfidentiality in ongoing case? The information you shared here is either given in pleading by party or on order of Member of Tribunal. In either situations, it's in public domain, unless required in exceptional circumstances (threat to integrity et. al.) And what are the facts of this confidential case which made CAT adjudicate on it? You're implying ipso facto excessive jurisdiction.
Nahi pata toh bol do bhai, par procedural law ka toh maan rakhlo.
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@AzadHindFauzji behtar. shukriya.
Be it their PT or Mains Test Series, if you do their material you'll score good (100+ in pt; 85+ in gs mains)...tried and tested. Ese questions poochte hain test series mein ki matlab original exam clear krne ke chances reduce ho jate hai.
But kyuki darr sabko lagta hai (including myself) every year 50pc toppers would have attempted their test series, thereby giving them legitimacy, when the result is declared... vicious cycle hai baba
P.S: I had 52 in Gs2 and 54 in Gs3 at Vision, 15 days before exam, finally 107 in gs2 and 94 in gs3 (mains '17)
@pysh12950karlo bhai. Kyuki sab karte hain. 2-3 questions bhi aagye Mains365 se toh baki logo ko edge mil jayega.
That's the only reason why most people do Mains 365...also, psychological satisfaction. In my opinion monthly magazines could be skipped, but then again I am just an aspirant like everyone else..better still if a selected person answers such question
@atuljibut 90s in 2015-16-17-18 mains would mean very different each year. So it does boil down to marking...my limited experience agrees with the general understanding that says essay ethics optional is the key... etc. Also, can't comment on paper completion in itself how effective it is since I did get 90s when almost everyone around my got 110+ in gs3 in '17. So content is indeed the King!
@utkarsh_mishraI do agree with the essence of your comment, but would still want to say from personal experience that getting 100 in Vision Tests isn't that difficult either when 18 out of 20 questions are from Mains365 across gs2 and gs3 full length, i've written over 30+ tests in 3 years time and concluded this. Along with inputs from fellow aspirants at test center... this time around I did get 90+ in Vision consistently but am honestly not positive considering the kind of questions UPSC asks and what these coaching wallahs sell us...
@atuljiI earnestly hope you're right and I am proved wrong
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I do have examples of people score 90+ consistently in test series and receiving 65 in gs1, 82 in gs2 type marks...
@utkarsh_mishrayes, I do see your point. I just have a hard time accepting Vision scores and UPSC scores as linked in any way...Once bitten, twice shy.
@zombielandmostly people do that, reading model answers, taking breaks etc. This person is a good friend, didn't do those things but yes, he did give most tests at his room instead of centre..still I don't think it would matter so much so to reduce 30 marks across papers, considering many toppers also write from home..
@ranyo_asoka60 toh thoda zyada lag rha hai bhai..! But some people spend 30 mins with a test and count it attempted toh kuch bol nhi sakte...
'17 mains se pehle, result k baad gs ke 28 ke around, (insight vision vaji) and optional k 8 likhe the... but sabse kam bhi mere gs mein hee ayesab moh maaya hai
@pysh12950correct.. but I meant my comment for mains test series only, (not whole upsc prep., strategy or likelihood of selection) I definitely believe it's farcical and borderline fraudulent.. Next attempt onwards, will practice pyq of 5 years but won't join any test series
@Ravstrue that buddy. Read/revised it this time also, but now will spend more time with pyq instead of model answer by xyz
