People have lost lives.
ORN and KB are beyond the carrying capacity.
Municipal Infrastructure needs a rethink and requires large public funds.
Classes and Libraries happen in basement because they are noise insulated and cheaper than regular floors. After the fire incident in Shubham Palace, upper floors were considered off limits for classes as fire moves upwards.
What is the final solution to all this ?
What is the
But@Neyawn sir,
I hv 1 question.
Why you didn't goto protest site to support the students?
What is the reason? Like jhojha sir you are afraid?
Your repeated crossing of the informal red lines of civility needs to be called out.
Anyone can question@Neyawn (we all do) but your only purpose of coming on forum seems to be to mock and provoke him (With a popcorn in your lap). You already have been branded in the minds of most users as the “Gossip Girl” of this blog, more interested in the Gossips of UPSC industry than the substantive aspects of preparation.
At least have some amount of respect for a mentor or a guide, who even if for his own interest has helped you or helped thousands in some or the other way.
Also respect the sensitivity of the topic: It’s not a juicy topic for us to derive pleasure
The question you posed could have been framed in a more civil manner. What is this language : "Are you afraid like Jhojha sir"?
I don't know how you handle such continuous provocations from him/her @Neyawn
Gaitonde’s Den: https://forumias.com/post/detail/Gaitondes-Den-1727638216
Boy? Girl? You are a sword, that is all.
Gaitonde’s Den: https://forumias.com/post/detail/Gaitondes-Den-1727638216
@Ganesh_Gaitonde this person have some malicious intentions. In some previous threads he/she was continuously poking about some useless stuff, and his/her only interest was continuously provoking people into insensible gossip(which he/she inferred through youtube or some kind of cult following of a new mentor in the market without any logical argument.
Its true this community provides a good platform to discuss things and even allows people to criticize its policies and programs for better course outcomes and a feedback mechanism withoutmoderation, but this doesn't come at the cost of disrespecting the person.
Many years back, @Neyawn was targeted personally by someone in poor taste on a prominent social media platform. Many of his students raised voices against it, including many top rankers. Things were nasty back then, as they are now, only thing we do is not paying heed to it.
As said by some seniors and even @Neyawn quality of discussions on this platform has seen considerable decline( not decline i guess, inactive to be precise) post 2018-2019 especially after the telegram boom, but still provides a great platform to learn from the journey of warrior veteranswho gave heart and soul to this process, even some threads which appear after 2–3 months provide valuable insights. The most important is the way it provides a great avenue to interact with a good chunk of serious people in the process.
@Neyawn I know you have a lot of load on your shoulders, but this community will thrive only if you remain quite an active member, because aspirants like us come and go with our experiences, but you stay here with some old and many new members.
Finally, I am writing my views on this topic after reading about a lot of things. I am not a famous person but still this incident has affected me a lot and hence, I am voicing out the same here.
The tragedy which happened in ORN was not only unfortunate but could have been avoided if we had adopted continuous accountability measures instead of the current episodic accountability system in place.
Let's just dig deep into the issue:
- The administration (public and private) waits for a disaster to happen and then takes countermeasures. The system doesn't take action till there's a social media outrage over it.
- Till about a month ago, no one cared about UPSC aspirants and their conditions. I remember visiting ORN to meet a friend in May 2024. [I was planning to shift there. One of my friends was already there and we both had been planning to give offline mocks. This is because I come from a city where guidance related to UPSC is limited to royal entry reels, topper motivation reels etc. None of the good coaching institutes have their centres here even though it is an important and well off city of the country]. I remember the rooms in Mukherjee Nagar were partitioned by a "cardboard". The room was like a confinement chamber. The summer made the room hot, closed room made it humid and the "common" bathroom smell added to the misery. But the rent? 9.5k per month. The next room (in ORN) was demanding 18k per month as room rent. I had convinced myself thinking that "Part of the journey hai, sab toh kar hi rahe hai" but unfortunately that's what every serious aspirant who comes to the UPSC hub thinks. They think this is the system here so we have two alternatives- either protest about the inhumane condition OR study. If aspirants had protested to prevent such an incident, the administration would have ignored it saying, Kuch hua kya abhi tak burra?. This is the attitude which needs to change in India irrespective of the political parties in power. We wait for the burra to happen. Those who dissent, criticize and point out the flaws in the system are called variety of names and are eventually silenced. When disaster strikes, these people lament about the fact that they told the administration beforehand.
- Recently, the govt came out with a bill to regulate coaching institutes now. But question is: The coaching industry has thrived ever since the exam started. We are bringing a bill now? After more than "75" years of independence? After the death of 5 aspirants?
- Take the Puja Khedkar controversy. Clearly, the girl is from a rich family background and most of the candidates who qualify do have a good background. The sad reality is: these people can afford to play with the system. For all we know, she will hire a top lawyer and keep the case in limbo. The way our judicial system is, we know what will happen. That's why when a person who is an autorickshaw driver's son/daughter or any child of a socially disadvantaged group makes it to the list, their tale is romanticized and "news" is created. We overlook the fact that they are outliers! Infact everyone who gets into the list is an outlier! We can't take their example and set out to prepare.
- Neither UPSC cares nor you would care why a person failed. In the end, it just matters whether you are in the list or out of the list. People will come to listen only to the victorious ones and not the ones who failed (obviously because of the number). Infact, people romanticize the 1st attempt mai clear karna stuff so much that it is annoying. I remember a faculty saying you are not a serious aspirant if you have taken 2 or more attempts. But the reality is that there are serious aspirants often end up reading "all" the recommended books so that their selection is guaranteed. To ensure this guarantee, a prominent faculty often brings out 2000 pages of Economy notes every year and claims that if you don't read those, you won't clear Prelims. The thought of not clearing Prelims and becoming an IAS in the first attempt invokes fear and anxiety in the minds of the aspirants. That's where some 'dubious' coaching institutes come in the picture and claim "Guaranteed Prelims and Guaranteed Mains" programmes. Hence, aspirants end up joining them.
- Next- privilege, a person from a good background irrespective of their reservation category might end up scoring better than the one who is not from such a background. People from far off areas come to ORN and Mukherjee Nagar thinking that they will crack UPSC and serve their country. But now the sad reality is: the underprivileged kid is overexploited in the city whereas privileged kids are provided all types of facilities when they sit for the exam.
- Personal story: [When I used to live in Dhanbad, I had to travel 4 hrs to my Mains centre in Ranchi. And guess what, there was only one centre for all of Jharkhand. So people from far off areas had to take hotel rooms in Ranchi for a period of almost one week. It costed me around 12k to survive there just to give Mains exam. I consider myself privileged enough that I could afford that amount. But when I got there, the hotel room was in a basement with no ventilation with snails creeping out of the toilet (So yes, not only coaching institutes but hotels are also opened up in basements). Fortunately enough, I met a college friend in the exam hall itself and we took a room together. But all of this chaos was during Mains! Now everyone saw just the end result and not the story behind it. My point is we have to take into account the privileges one had while they prepared for an exam. If you can't control the privileges part then focus on insulating your prep from such psychological turmoil. I couldn't do it in that attempt and hence, I couldn't clear (In addition, to other factors like strategy)].
- Again, no offence to anyone who has a good background but let's just acknowledge our privileges and paint a true picture of things instead of romanticizing stuff.
- Recently, a girl had committed suicide in ORN (I can't recall her name) when her "landlord" asked her to leave. In her suicide letter, she also writes about planning to become IAS in the "1st attempt". She was from a humble background (Not affluent). People, who come from Tier 2 or Tier 3 cities where guidance is close to zero, learn from online sources. That's where YouTube comes in the picture and role of teachers like Vikas Divyakirti and Awadh Ojha assumes importance. These people have painted a rosy picture and this picture became these people's dreams. When the reality strikes, this dream breaks. When it breaks, there's anger. I am sure some clips might have been quoted out of context but it is what it is.
- Next, will UPSC and DoPT accept their mistakes? What about the allegations of fake OBC and PwD certificates? Everyone clearly knows why the notification said only Puja was such an exception and everything else is fine - it will open the Pandora's box. The administration knows that protest and outrage won't last for long no matter how emotional the incident is.
Coming to the education part:
- Oh the rot runs so deep here! Coaching institutes are present because the formal educational system is highly inadequate to address the demands of education.
- We reduce syllabus in the name of reducing pressure on the student. But did the syllabus of competitive exams change? Did the syllabus of UPSC become less hard? or Did life become less hard? NO. So who will fulfill that gap? Coaching institutes.
- But yes, some coaching institutes are good and do really help the aspirants. But why are they not part of the formal educational industry? Why do most students sit at the last bench in their college but fight for the first bench in a coaching institute? Why are we paying lakhs of money in addition to our college degrees?
What needs to be done? The solution?
- Broadly, accept mistakes! Look beyond money! (Why did the recent landslide happen when Kasturirangan and Gadgil Committee recommendations had clearly pointed out environmental issues in their respective reports? Groups protested against the Committee being "too environment friendly"! Govt overlooked it. What happened? Tragedy. Now tell me who are we going to blame?).
- Practice what you preach(Ethics).
- Learn to take responsibility! I loved how Shri Swati Maliwal, MP in Rajya Sabha, framed it, "When a road is built, all local politicians would fight about the fact that the road should be named after them. But when the same waterlogged roads are clogged and tragedy strikes, these leaders are nowhere to be seen".
- There are no technical suggestions here because the bureaucrats know about that better but please practice compassion. In the tussle between Delhi govt and the Union govt, the bureaucrats are having a field day. They don't listen to the ministers. The same suggestion is for the coaching institutes.
- Without adopting transparency and accountability in the UPSC exam process, we can't talk about reducing the number of attempts and reducing the age limit. There are many people who realise what they want in life later on. In addition to this, people from underprivileged background have to work first and become financially secure and then think about what they really want to pursue. (It is easy for the ivory tower bureaucrats to give such recommendations but please get down from your holy pedestal and accept the reality).
For people writing Mains this year, UPSC won't give us extra time just because this incident happened. So we have to study despite what is happening. UPSC doesn't care about your circumstances, it cares only about the outcome. So prepare keeping that in mind. (Remember people who had their last attempt during the Pandemic period suffered but did they get extra attempts?). The least we can do is voice out our concerns on online platform.
Aspirants in ORN and Mukherjee Nagar, take care. As I live far away from Delhi, I am voicing out my view here.
My heartfelt condolences to those who passed away (Tanya, Nevin, Shreya, Neelesh and the one girl who committed suicide due to high room rent). May their soul rest in peace.
"More work, less talk".
I will be back!
Current building laws allow coaching only on GF and FF. But right now they are allowing on higher floors. But that can change anytime. Also the law is not clearly written anywhere, but this year May ( I met@Tata and did not know that the popular member was from classes , so when he messaged I called him to MCD office to witness first hand the power of bureaucracy - and after the meeting he decided it was better to be a bureaucrat ). So when I argued before the court that nothing in Master Plan stops us ( I had spent 3 days underlining and going through it ) , the DC cited some other clause where something else was written.. So in Master plan also different things are written in different places.. so state is free to use clause which is convenient to them.
And for GF and First Floor, you will have to outbid Tanishq, Haldiram, Maruti, Hyundai Kalyan Jewellers etc. In our building Best IAS was able to outbid Haldiram ( a 6000 crore turnover company ) , so Haldiram shifted.
It isnt for nothing they say that fact is stranger than fiction.
@Neyawn if I may humbly say something.
You're someone who's seen all the three stages of this exam. You've seen thousands who've cleared and you've seen ten thousands who had it in them but couldn't clear. You clearly understand that beyond a point it's luck. There are so many bright candidates who lose out because things just weren't in their favour in that hour.
Let's be real, forum can only support people to pass the exam, it cannot guarantee ranks to people.
While I agree that forum sets high standards, but without utmost humility, i would like to say that you're being very passionate about what you're selling which clearly involves luck to some extent. Being so passionate in this tricky edtech sector can blind you from potentially seeing pitfalls. It's good to be passionate to that extent in arts and sports, but when it comes to business we need hold our emotions back, be a little flexible with approaches and try to be as inclusive as possible (because TAM is what'll help you to dampen the unforeseen shocks in the market).
As long as you're doing good work, results will come. It shouldn't matter whether you have 200 selections or 700 selections out of 1000. No aspirant looks at those metrics while deciding to invest in you. They look at perceived brand value and trust in the community.
Make education accessible and affordable (to the extent that works for your business), it'll help you to keep swimming against the tides for a long time.
In the era of internet, decentralisation is the way. With the advent of AI, offline centers for teaching will be a part of history in the next 5 yesrs. We'll have offline centers only for mentorship, counselling and doubt clearance.
In the long run, it'll also help you to optimize costs and achieve better efficiency.
Don't worry about results neyawn, you're anyway doing good work, so people will still trust forum even if the selections come down from 700 to 200. People will trust the processes at forum more than the outcomes when the public perception is built, marketed and sold transparently.
This is the right opportunity for you to strategise for the future. Decentralisation and customer centric initiatives is the way forward. When that happens, people will pay whatever you ask and will keep the business afloat.
As business owners of edtech, it would be unethical to impart education to only the bright ones. It's the easy way out. And it won't work for long too. Because the market is super dynamic, what works now don't work 5 years down the lane.
Try to build courses for everyone who wishes to be a part of this journey towards bureaucracy. That market size will take care of most adversities.
Would love to see forum all across India. And also, with the giants of funded edtech falling down, there'll be enough vacuum in the market to accomodate and accelerate the growth of a trusted brand like forum.
Keep innovating and executing. ORN has fallen, the plans for next 10 years should be the things to discuss in the boardroom now.
Wish you the best and loads of strength in these testing times. Supporting forum always ❤️
To the people, it's a request, please be a little kind towards forum,@Neyawn was once an aspirant like all of us. Let's support this community in these tough times and make it better. Your love and support will only make things better for everyone.
PS, also@Neyawn iasmocks is defunct 🙂
If we need to rethink if we need another Rajendra Nagar or not .. making students argue here won’t help .. self introspection is necessary as an institution…For anyone appreciating FRC and gurugram centre.. I would like to bring it to light that classes in gurugram centre too happened in basement with a narrow exit.. I don’t think it would have appropriate fire safety.. also the roads there as well would get waterlogged at bare minimum rain.. it is also essential to rethink as an institution if you are shifting out why not change modus operandi and find a classroom in a more sanitary and ventilated environment which is capable of holding the crowd of 100-150 students at once..and also ensuring there safe exit in case of a disaster .. while I appreciate the institute for their guidance but would feel ethically wrong in not raising this issue.. as a student I wanted to avoid saying anything as I want to concentrate on my studies and also know no change would be seen.. but I am just unable to be at peace when you try to have better than thou attitude
The point of GGN expansion was to have a place similar to ORN so that students do not feel a massive difference, minus the clutter and congestion.
But with the tragedy that has unfolded, things change. Forever.
Classrooms are made in basement to have sound insulation and save costs. It is also true that roads get waterlogged, and after todays rain, it was scary to think that if someone touched a pole or a wire or a gate that would be in touch with a exposed cable.
Finding a classroom in a more ventilated space - the only option is to have it in Sahara Mall or Vipul Agora mall. Also to meet the safety standards they have to be out and out commercial properties - which would mean, in the case of GGN it would require a travel by the auto.
The conventional model of coaching is to have it near walking distance to save time. That was the whole idea of residential. or even coaching. Travelling far away from your home to a place, not with the goal of taking an auto to travel to coaching classes.
We will probably have to have something within 5 kilometers range of where things are currently. Also when landlords will make property meeting such standards, it will cost nearly 2.5 times. We will have to let go of many students with that kind of fee escalation to factor in the costs.
In fact, every single property will be violative of some municipal law, which opens it to sealing by some or other agency.
Already the landlords in ORN and the whole adjoining area has increased rents of other floors dividing the rent of the basement among the existing tenants, so do not be surprised of this
There are so many compliances that there will always be some compliance we will not be able to meet. Its a structural problem which we cannot solve. Or solve at a cost that will make things super unaffordable. Or we only get rich kids, who may not deliver the results.
Some students have reached out offering college buildings to be used for classes. Some people from Akshardham temple committee had come who have large campuses for such works and have showed interest in providing cheap accommodation for aspirants in Gujarat. Let us see what the future holds.
I do not have a holier than thou attitude. I am clearing saying there is a problem. And we're a part of it. And there is a major part we cannot solve because only the state has the capacity to solve it. And solving the city's infra problem will require taxpayer's money, not student's fees.
I am no knight. Do not call me Sir|Philosophy behind ForumIAS
hello@Neyawn
Not active on this platform, but I have seen forumias grow from guidance ias to shop no 6 to 19, PUSA road. I have worked with vision ias in academic capacity, and unacademy in mergers and acquisitions and finance and now i am working with an investment advisory firm. I am no longer in the exam cycle and decided to not pursue a corporate career.
You may or may not remember me, but I have been your student ( with Himanshu Gupta, AIR 27 ) in your ethics class. If you could recall, I and Himanshu came to see you after he got rank 27. I am also a CS engineer.
I have seen forum grow and there are parts that I have admired and parts where I think you may need some consultancy. Seeing things from vantage point of forum purely as a business.
Pls do not get me wrong. I have worked with several founders, and seen some of the scale massively and some of them fail. As your student i appreciated your enthusiasm and passion. ( I am from that era when minal karanwal, akshay , nikita , aditya from your cgp / foundation classes cleared the exam, and the academy was still very small )
Here is some inputs for you which may help you think with more clarity, and from where i can see ( i have worked in fund rasining , acquisitions of about a dozen start ups and more than half in edtech sector )
1. as far as i can remember , sometime around 2022-23, your average revenue per user was about 13,000/user/annum. This was abysmal considering that you are an offline player, and if you somehow do not increase this then sooner or later either you will be in trouble or you will need to raise funds (= trouble ? ) . You are now a full pledged coaching and your customers see you in the same way as vajiram. whose average revenue per user exceeds 1,35,000+ / per user / year. it is likley that big players will now squeeze you out...u will also have to find ways and means to reach the AMRPU to 5000 immediately and scale it to 10,000 if u want to do things offline.. or u will have to become an online player.. as u may not survive two winters..
2. I was in ORN just after this incident, and I was a bit cut off from preparation days, but I saw that around your vajiram , nest and "srishti" have taken away all of real estate. which means if you dont have your own building, you wont be able to expand. I also came to know that some of these building dont have students but have been taken by some coachings to increase cost of doing business for you and other small players.
3. Your current revenue model is difficult to sustain as with less than 1500 / user /month earnings - which is your average figure, you will not be able to pay rents. I am sure than with basements sealed, landlords would have distributed rent across other floors. Corrent me if my information is incorrect, but your rental expensiture as a business is anywhere about 1,65,000 to 1,75,000 per day. Which is why you are most riled about the recent regulations.
4. I have always enjoyed your write ups , but here is the thing. Even during our time, when you had shifted to your center in pusa road, you were too enthusiastic about SFG - which often came at a cost to other programs. I remember even our classes would be cancelled but never sfg ( I sat in the park to write sfg ). I do not see you successfully scale even sfg program, and while, as far as i can remember the average fee / day was 60 rs/day, it is now around 100/day. It is a matter of time that you will either have to increase the price or close it down. Your passion and obsession as a founder with some programs, which is common to every passionate founder, may be detrimetal to ur own organisation.
5. Do not take this in the wrong way, as I would love to see forum grown and expand, but what I feel is that forum has focussed on results and getting good students. I remember even in 2018-19 time you were very keen on ranks and results. But a coaching will not simply run because of rankholders. it will run because it solves the problem of masses with respect to ias preparation. Trying to play god by selecting few students and then getting selections ( such as natasha goyal , IPS last year ) is not what will help forumias in the long run.
6. I often see your being critical of "srishti". what I think as an investor today that they have built a brilliant business model. They are stable and will not be affected by results / ranks shifting here and there. also they are doing above average job in terms of education. on social media they are no.1 and that counts. when i meet people no one knows forumias , but everyone knows drishti folks. i think that is a big front where forum has completely failed.
7. i see your frustration sir, with respect to quality of students. what you are missing is that markets have changed. it is no longer 2017-18-19 where less than 40,000 to 50,000 are preparing for civils. today people are preparing for civils in lakhs. and thats a market. And when they find affordable edtech courses such as unacademy, studyIQ etc, they take it - even if the quality is not of upsc standards. Your concenrs as a teacher are valid that Youtube, Unaca, StudyQ etc students are just wasting time, they have not got into rigorous preparation. but you see the student today has choice. I saw your comment that if sfg is expensive then there is no point doing it. Why such lack of business approach and lack of emotional intelligence? the students today are not coming from vajiram having paid 2 lakhs so they will find you cheap. they are coming from studyQ and have paid 20K for 2 year course and find you expensive. It is a business problem you have to solve.
8. Lastly, you have not been able to solve the reach problem of forum. I have watched your tete a tete with toppers and seen that u ask everyone how did u come to know about forumias, and they say - everyone knows about it, and somewhat your ego is satisfied.. but dont get me wrong.. people know forumias... after spedning 2-3 years and having paid 2-3 lakhs in coaching.. so when they come to u .. they have no money left to spend.. but as a businessowner that is your problem... not their..
9. you seeking opinion of students is also IMO a bit childish. during preparation, do u think anyone knows about business? i read somewhere that students are demanding that landlords take cash rent. and they are tagging FM to stop that. once govt will put its eye, now landlords will take rent in cheque + 18% GST which student will have to pay,, and probably they dont know about it yet..
10. Forum has done a brilliant job in terms if quality... not sure about all india,,, but in delhi you have beaten vision in mains test series... last year my junior from college got selected and she was praising your content like anything... but thats it!... u will have to take quick decisions and as@Pizzza has said,, focus on making education affordable and increase the scale.. ranks will keep coming and going..u hv enough ranks to satisfy ur ego or ambitions
i hv tried my best to be constructive,, and i hope that u take in the right spirit.. u may want to take some consultancy with respect to forum...u know how to reach me.. adios.
While it is possible to do classes in online mode, having bunch of people around studying and with common goal helps, so the need for offline at least in the beginning year of preparation.
And if things are good ,then things become crowded.
We thought that we will get people selected from a residential academy. We succeeded in parts. We thought we will make a less congested Rajinder Nagar. And with the fall of ORN, we need to rethink if we even want another Rajinder Nagar.
I am no knight. Do not call me Sir|Philosophy behind ForumIAS
Institutes have become too big, hold significant financial, legal and human resources. They should serve as platforms on behalf of the student fraternity. They should take up the matter legally and lead the protests to bring about systemic reforms. Will Forum IAS do so?
Issues in the ORN are known to everybody here (rents, illegal construction, waterlogging, naked wires, women safety…) , but what are legal mandates and Safeguards, students and parents are unaware of this. As the full page ads of institutes are published, there should be a detailed explanation on legality of such issues, as awareness for the students residing there, as a caution for the parents wanting to send their children there, and as an eye opener for the authorities.
Clearly, the institutes have become profit making machines, churning out crores each month. A big portion of profits should be shelved out for the welfare of students, as a social responsibility. Students are migrants in search of dreams. Hostels and libraries be constructed for the poor and disprivileged. Will Forum IAS do so?
- Access to teachers be democratised. We need guidance and support at each step. But here, teachers don't really care for it.
- Mindset shift is the biggest need of the hour. Education has come to be seen as a money game. Two considerations can be seen here,
Start by cleansing the mindsets, and separate the profits aside when running the education institutes.
Education be seen as imparting knowledge, developing intellectual capabilities in students and shaping their personalities, and not just preparing them for rat race.
Coaching institutes should consider themselves as a major stakeholder in the education policy of the country.
And finally, fees for the MGP be reduced.
One thing that is disturbing is focus has shifted from MCD to coaching institutes, not giving them clean chit but state of Urban infrastructure and civic amenities is in rumbles across length and breadth of the country. This has to be taken care of. It is a time taking process but it has to begin somewhere.
Regarding over congestion of Karol Bagh, ORN etc. the only feasible solution is to move out. That has to be done with a consensus between civic authorities and coaching institutes. It can solve the problem of accommodation as well if planned accordingly. DDA/MCD along with institutes should look for alternative land where this can be done.
Decentralization of centers has to be there, one way can be live streaming of few classes from Delhi centre and few offline classes where teacher is present at regional centre(if availability of teacher is an issue). For this a shift in attitude is required, it will happen gradually.
What measures are taken by Forum ias for classroom students bcoz a class was conducted in the basement.
There are 3 major safety protocols that need to be followed for safety in classrooms as per law
1. Two gates - entry and exit gates wide enough on each floor
2. Setting up network of water sprinklers in the class with separate water tank for fire
3. Adequate fire extinguishers as recommended by DFS
All the above are in place in all classrooms where the size is above 100 yards.
No FIRE Noc is needed for floors on L1 and L2 as per DFS in case of any event, the height of building is low enough to facilitate emmergency rescue.
NOC is issued to buildings and not to coachings. Commercial buildings where we hold classes are built as per the building code
I am no knight. Do not call me Sir|Philosophy behind ForumIAS
In DU north campus areas of kamla nagar, shakti nagar, etc. the pg rent issue is not as rampant as in case ORN, students there love their freedom and are also very goal oriented (tho there are exceptions), the place seems super student friendly, even the food is good quality and pocket friendly. But, the situation changes for worse in case of ORN, depressed people, evil landlords, congested and polluted roads, i wonder if it is the upsc-coaching-landlord nexus that has made the plight of students at ORN deplorable. Not pointing fingers at coachings (you have enough people to do that), because an overwhelming majority of students themselves see this exam only as an opportunity to gain social prestige rather than, becoming an IAS who works selflessly to improve the system, you take away the perks and emoluments and see how many stay. Offline environment encouraging the lazy lot to slog is no excuse to choose offline over online, if that is the case these feeble brains will break the minute they face resistance as an officer, eventually bandwagoning with corrupt forces. What you need is a system, there are 100s of aspirants who crack the exam from their homes. self-imposed discipline is all you need. If you still choose to go for offline for whatever consideration, feel free to do so, but remember. then you'll be the price taker with little to no bargaining power. Expanding to different pockets of Delhi will not serve the purpose, because eventually those areas too will go beyond their carrying capacity.
Long story short ->the nature of the exam, the competition, lack of equally good opportunities and the glory associated to it has made ORN what it is today. Bubble that was ORN was waiting to burst.
PS - sorry i digressed a little towards the end, i don't intend on demeaning anyone, i just want people to reconsider their priorities, because the goal is to working towards a better India, be it via UPSC, MBA, entrepreneurship, etc.
I don’t think institutions are not empathetic. You cannot just blame them because they are charging you some money. They are after all delivering services. The top management definitely are running the institutions with a profit motive. But from my personal interactions, the teachers & mentors were efficient, empathetic and humble unlike our college professors.But the professors don’t earn as much as probably the coaching people make and in India whoever makes money has to be branded a Devil.The real culprit is the administration. Who is the enforcer of rules ? The systematic corruption in the administration is to be blamed. They take bribes, do nothing and then just arrest a SUV driver for the death of our brothers and sisters. Ridiculous!Who is to be blamed for the death of the bright mind who was electrocuted last week ? Who is the real culprit?A culpable homicide case should be registered against the officers who inspected the premises, those who were responsible for enforcing rules and those who took bribes.Overall, I don’t see this as an ORN problem. Indian cities and urbanisation is haphazard. Unless and until we decentralise things, nothing will change. We need big ticket reforms like Social Accountability bill that allows public to launch enquiries against officials.If the officials were efficient, coachings will become efficient too. If there are proper rules and enforcements, even coachings will adhere to set norms and standards. But there is NO ENFORCEMENT at all.I don’t think coaching can do anything except maybe involve the students on a platform and become the AGONY AUNT’s like the Jeetu Bhaiya on Kota factory. They are far powerless than we can imagine. Most might think that administration is in the pockets of these big institutions. Well, I don’t think so. They are equally harassed by the incompetent and corrupt officials.You remember how Vision IAS was raided by IT department for an ideological comment by their teacher.However, the distrust between coaching and students is rising day by day. Slowly and steadily, people are looking at most institutions as part of the GREAT COACHING MAFIA. Transparency and communication is the only way this can be bridged
exactlyy! And the sad part is, these issues have always existed but it took 4 deaths to cause an outrage!
- @Neyawn sir,
What Next?
1- As we know Kota, Rajasthan is one of the most crowded cities for students. Approximately, 10 lakh students stay and in one coaching approximately 2 lakh students enroll every year BUT WHY THERE are NO ISSUES LIKE FIRE, WATER, etc?
Because coaching institutes bought new lands and then they made awesome infrastructure that fulfilled all the safety norms. Buying new land and setting large infrastructure was also challenging for them and at that time there was no land available in Kota (like right now in Delhi) but they chose to buy land in the outer area of Kota (8-9 KM from the Railway Station) and now this place is known as New Kota where coaching industries run.
2- Just take an example of any Kota's institute like Desonance. The main building of Desonance includes 7-8 exit gates on each floor, 1 very wide ramp, more than 2 lifts, Cycle Stand, etc.
3- I understand that Delhi does not have so much land but nowadays a voice is coming to shift in Narela. If there is sufficient land then it would be nice.
4- One request is that please try to provide a library facility also.
Except the land owners of ORN, no one is happy. Students have to pay high rent for shitty rooms. You look to the sky and its covered with multiple kind of tangled wires.
Pusa road might have land rates shooting over 100crs, hence institutes and libraries adopt measures to cut cost.
I wonder what made this place a 'hub' for IAS coaching!
Perhaps institutes should collude and shift to some place else. Making it a planned 'hub'. This sounds too utopian though.
@Neyawn maybe start with your institute first. Lead by example , avoid using basements for classes ( forumias has a basement) . Advertise that you are not doing that. Stop charging high fees for every course of the earth . The prices of sfg are very high . The answer check-ing quality of awfg is very poor . Similar to dristi ias you people also started posting mock interviews of students with a sole intention of garnering more views / market more coursesSorry for the 15m answer for a 10 marks question. I hope I won't be charged for getting this answer checked .
The basement issue is over. No classes of Forum will be held in basements.
If you and other people think that SFG is expensive that we'll close that as well. It won't be possible to run it. Because it will require us to have large seating capacity. And SFG in onlin mode wont work for many students.
Interview videos i think are harmless and don't even attract views.
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