[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021 - ForumIAS

[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021

@Equalizer bhai agar 10 questions me D maar diye tukke me or usme 4 bhi sahi nikle to net score +4 hi rahega. So is hisab se cutoff pe fark padta hai har saal. Ab general or obc wale 80+ question attempt karte Hain so get safe score agar unke attempt Kam Hain or koi logic nahi baith raha h to they go with either D or eliminate extreme words statements. Net score plus me hi rahega. I have seen this type of habbit in my friends. He scored 114 this time, last year 108 by using this trick. 


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Csat k right 2 privacy question me 1,2 sure hai Kya passage not talked about any institution 

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does upsc csat answer key differ from various coaching keys? have to get 11 correct out of 21 RC questions to clear csat but through various keys getting only 10 correct. 

Yes last year I referred pt education csat key, actual key changed in 9 questions 

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@Carpediem what should be answer for right 2 privacy Wala question? 


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@Rakhmabai I have marked A. 


I attempted 39 questions from CL and shankar getting 26 correct in both. To qualify I need 4 more passages to get correct. Kuch question CL ke alag Hain shankar se. 

I relied on right 2 privacy(d) ,asset allocation(a), fdi volatile(a), pds(d),dam(c), gas based economy 2nd part (a)

I need 4 in my favor in these questions 

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@Rakhmabai I have marked A. 


I attempted 39 questions from CL and shankar getting 26 correct in both. To qualify I need 4 more passages to get correct. Kuch question CL ke alag Hain shankar se. 

I relied on right 2 privacy(d) ,asset allocation(a), fdi volatile(a), pds(d),dam(c), gas based economy 2nd part (a)

I need 4 in my favor in these questions 

Asset allocation is A.....refer to@Aurang_mirasudar  articles ...

Right to privacy is A 

Refer to links he provided.. I also checked today very useful...verbatim uthaya hai bhai

Bhai Pura 1000 words k articles me or only 50 words k passages me answer change nahi hote Kya. I mean in newspapers articles context we can understand by reading 1000 words but it us very difficult to have same context in 50 word passage. 

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@Rakhmabai Please don't rely on CL answer keys. Even I got panicky when I checked. I cross-checked their previous Csat answerkeys (2018 and 2019) with the UPSC answer key. They mostly get 5-6 RCs wrong. 

For, Asset allocation- have marked B( though now I believe that the answer is A)
FDI-B
Dam: D 

Didn't attempt the question on gas based economy.


When I was returning to the centre for 2nd paper my friend shared answer of 2 gs questions I said I marked A in minister Wala and D in G 20. I felt very low suddenly after knowing the answer and It cost me easy 2 questions of Quant. Lesson learnt not to discuss any question in between the gap. 

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@Aurang_mirasudar reconsider the passage of economic freedom. The 2nd part says when govt decides to tax the higher income of educated individuals at higher rate it makes little sense to invest in education. Also in first part it says whenever lower tax rate it makes sense to invest in education. Don't you think answer 1 has to be in the answer. 

In malnutrition passage no mention of pds as such and union govt in the passage, also second option girls should delay marriage and 1st pregnancy is nowhere talked about in passage so 1and 2 not be in the answer 



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@Aurang_mirasudar reconsider the passage of economic freedom. The 2nd part says when govt decides to tax the higher income of educated individuals at higher rate it makes little sense to invest in education. Also in first part it says whenever lower tax rate it makes sense to invest in education. Don't you think answer 1 has to be in the answer. 

In malnutrition passage no mention of pds as such and union govt in the passage, also second option girls should delay marriage and 1st pregnancy is nowhere talked about in passage so 1and 2 not be in the answer 



Can anyone throw some light on this@Equalizer @Carpediem  @Muqaddam 

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Csat paper k lie representation de skte h?  English passage questions? 

Bacche keh rhe h yhn pr ki complete paragraphn k basis ko na dekhke upsc pure articlr k basis p decide krti h.  But bina answers die hum kaise object krskte h. 

Mera 1 question correct s csat margin p atka h.  

Representaion dena chahiye? 

Please reply

That's what I m feeling too 

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sirsaid

I have doubts in 3-4 questions

1) factors affecting rice price --In my opinion Government trading should not b there as There is no such thing(FCI do not have any profit loss account, MSP is not trading, APEDA is  involved in basmati but  not direct trade but promotion of export etc)

2)non financial debt waala question I have marked Treasury bills only(it purely depends on what UPSC wants to ask so pure luck factor here ,lets see)

3) Growth rate in rural employment has decreased (in my opinion this isn't correct as post liberalization growth in employment has been seen across india(india is still 70-80% rural and without rural job growth overall job growth isn't possible,jobs shifted from agri to non agri)

4) Minister waala question I have marked 1 only though it seems it is wrong 

5)There is no minimum no of days parliament is required to meet in a year(All coaching rely on IE article and no other sources) ---Atleast twice in a year itself mean MPs will have to come 2 days???

Completely agreeing with you on rural economy, almost completely on minimum parliament and partially on rice and non financial debt. 

This 2 day concept is very vague. 

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This time upsc has played with the mind of the aspirants especially in science and tech. It knows very well log all correct manenge, lets play with them. And it has made coaching keys unreliable. 

Indeed. All coaching teaching students in S&T mark only ALL. cheat, hack, these may work for a year but not always. 

Thousands of aspirants cleared prelims every year by using this trick either D or eliminate extreme statements. 

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@Rakhmabai If There is no minimum no of days parliament should meet then answer can be ZERO DAYS also but thats not the case. Parliament must assemble atleast twice . 


Meating at least twice in a year does not mean 2 days as such. You are just viewing 6 as 9 from your side. 

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@Equalizer actually trading by definition means buying and selling for profit, government do intervene through open market sale but that is to only drop the prices by boosting supply but they do not engage in buying, they only purchase through msp which was already there in option, thud to my understanding government trading should be eliminated.


Question asked about factors for change in price of rice. So even if govt using omo to drop the price hence this is a factor which question asked. 

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@rishi258  financial sector. 
'It depends on upsc interpretation, though i feel upsc 3only manega. '..yes its 3 only..😀

@Aurang_mirasudar yaha already non financial sector likha hua hai bhai. according to your article all correct hota but upsc k question me sirf non financial debt likha hai which can be both debt held by non financial sector OR debt taken from non financial sector. 
It depends on upsc interpretation, though i feel upsc 3only manega. 



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Bhai I think gas renewable ka D hoga. Even though the passage you shared says 

You have to bring renewables at the right time so you aren’t trying to bring them to market before they are actually ready,” Mr Carroll said. “In which case you are left with inefficient and costly subsidies for technologies that may be irrelevant in the near future.”


But this is just an instance that if renewables are employed early, it can lead to this. But the option in statement 1 says "Govts often provide inefficient and costly subsidies". There is no proof in the article that government is providing such subsidies "often" or rarely .


Bhai aise written khojoge to kisi ke answers na milenge passage me. Bas itna likha h ki govt invested heavily on renewable energy but business houses wary of investing too much at a time when technology is not too ready. Note heavily word by govt 

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@beginn371316 bhai, constitution clearly provides for judicial review! wo toh basic structure hain. SC invented Basic structure but kept things in constitution in basic structure only not the outside things of constitution. So basic structure in invented by SC not in Constitution. Judicial Review is in constitution and SC shields or protects it by keeping it in basic structure. simple as that.


Judicial review is also not explicitly written if we go by law of verbatims. 

Constitution *provides* ... Yes it provides. 

Constitution defines ... Sounds dubious now. 

Kya kare... Yaar Angrezi ka course kar le next time .

Confusion hi confusion hai. !! 


Provides Judicial review in inverted commas pushed me to mark D. Banta questions galat ho gya English k chakkar me 

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What I marked. Attempt 39 total 

Passage attempt : 24 and Quant  : 15. 

Quant correct :11 out of 15. To qualify I need 19 correct in passage out of 24 

Labour : D

Privacy :D

Wetlands: C

Asset :A

Biotechnology : 1st D, 2nd C

Fdi :A

River interlink :A

Education & tax : D

Urban bodies user charge :1st A, 2nd B

85% agriculture :1st B, 2nd D

Spanish :D

Malnourishment :D

Pusa arhar :C

Dam :C

Liberalization : 1st C, 2nd B

Bank credit :C

Gas based economy : 1st C, 2nd A

Solid waste management :C

Religion :B 

From career launcher and shankar both getting 26 correct 

@Aurang_mirasudar @Equalizer 




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What I marked. Attempt 39 total 

Passage attempt : 24 and Quant  : 15. 

Quant correct :11 out of 15. To qualify I need 19 correct in passage out of 24 

Labour : D

Privacy :D

Wetlands: C

Asset :A

Biotechnology : 1st D, 2nd C

Fdi :A

River interlink :A

Education & tax : D

Urban bodies user charge :1st A, 2nd B

85% agriculture :1st B, 2nd D

Spanish :D

Malnourishment :D

Pusa arhar :C

Dam :C

Liberalization : 1st C, 2nd B

Bank credit :C

Gas based economy : 1st C, 2nd A

Solid waste management :C

Religion :B 

From career launcher and shankar both getting 26 correct 

@Aurang_mirasudar @Equalizer 




Education and tax answer is C bhai ....shankar also changed and Rau, ksg and aurang also gave C

Yes its C. D is what i marked 

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I'm sorry, can anyone please tell how many wrong questions I can do. I attempted 48. 15 or 16?

With 16 incorrect net score is 66.6. Still clear 

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Does upsc dropped any question in csat out of error or something in last 5 years 
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@mayank_vats20248505 yes EXACTLY! I got so tired explaining people this question!! Invitation for Congress to RTC was never a part of the pact. And if you remove 1, answer can only be 2, 3 and 4. Also another interpretation is "Accepting Gandhi's suggestion of police excesses" was part of pact. But that was however declined by British government later.

Thanks for sharing the source. But people were saying this question would be cancelled due to faulty hindi translation. Any idea?



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@Rakhmabai Focus on mains..lets hope u clear


OK thanks 

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Tokyosaid

My 2 cents with regards to cutoff

Last year (2019) Everyone knew the cutoff was going to be 95-104 , thats A range of around 10 marks, Shankar ias prediction was 99-102 i.e. A range of 4 marks.  In short they covered the 40% range of probable cutoff and still got it wrong😂


which factors can lead to increase in Cut off this year

Decrease in vacancies - Yes

Tukkafication - No!!! There were many questions the answers to which was not a simple D. Also in 2018,2019 you had similar Dfication sentiments running around


which Factors can lead to decrease in cutoff  

1.The toughest csat in recent history . According to a survey 46% of students are either failing or in borderline in paper 2

2. Lack of sheer number of absolute sitters. 

3. Almost 2/3rd of Questions had multiple statements . People didnt had the luxury of time in this paper

4. Inflation - People despite getting a 100% conformity that their answer is not the best answer are still counting the marks for that question. This leads to overall inflation in market

5. Last year 40% of people on Telegram posted their scores tobe above 100 , the sample was 12000 votes. This year 40% of people on telegram claiming their score to be above 95


The overall cutoff has to be - 95 (+-1)

What is borderline case in csat....?? Even a person with 80 is also borderline...since noone is sure of passages 

After reading those articles shared by aurang you will be dead sure of the passage answers 

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Tokyosaid

My 2 cents with regards to cutoff

Last year (2019) Everyone knew the cutoff was going to be 95-104 , thats A range of around 10 marks, Shankar ias prediction was 99-102 i.e. A range of 4 marks.  In short they covered the 40% range of probable cutoff and still got it wrong😂


which factors can lead to increase in Cut off this year

Decrease in vacancies - Yes

Tukkafication - No!!! There were many questions the answers to which was not a simple D. Also in 2018,2019 you had similar Dfication sentiments running around


which Factors can lead to decrease in cutoff  

1.The toughest csat in recent history . According to a survey 46% of students are either failing or in borderline in paper 2

2. Lack of sheer number of absolute sitters. 

3. Almost 2/3rd of Questions had multiple statements . People didnt had the luxury of time in this paper

4. Inflation - People despite getting a 100% conformity that their answer is not the best answer are still counting the marks for that question. This leads to overall inflation in market

5. Last year 40% of people on Telegram posted their scores tobe above 100 , the sample was 12000 votes. This year 40% of people on telegram claiming their score to be above 95


The overall cutoff has to be - 95 (+-1)

What is borderline case in csat....?? Even a person with 80 is also borderline...since noone is sure of passages 

After reading those articles shared by aurang you will be dead sure of the passage answers 

Those who have cleared csat previously and has attempted sufficient number of questions...just don't calculate Ur marks..

also answer to those RC should be based on comprehension only and not on the whole original article.

I hope you are right but after reading those articles I have little hope left that answer will be changed when ditto verbatim is lifted. I checked previous year csat passage questions also upsc have some answers which are not directly relevant to the passage may be it was written on that article where it was lifted from. 

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UPSC_CSAT_Pre_2020_Keys_Set_A.pdf 

Vajiram csat key. Few mistakes in RC 

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Tokyosaid

UPSC_CSAT_Pre_2020_Keys_Set_A.pdf 

Vajiram csat key. Few mistakes in RC 

Bhai what do u mean by few ...4 toh sidhe he galat diya hai.....

Bhai 4 ko few kehne ki adat dal lo RC inke bas ki baat nahi hai 🤣🤣

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lo..here we go again with RC passages 🤯😩😜@Rakhmabai 

Kuch kuch hota hai@Aurang_mirasudar tum nahi samjhoge. Ek question ki keemat 🤣🤣🤣

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@Rakhmabai Before appearing for Prelims exam, I was like dude work hard and don't be on border line, then start for mains from the very next day.
After Prelims- 
GS1- 113-117
GS2- Pakistan wala border line jo change hota rehta hai,
Jo socha tha wo to hua but jo nahi socha tha wo bhi hua


That is the case with most of us 

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Tokyosaid

@Equalizer that’s what I’m saying. It does not change. 

UPSC ‘strategically’ gives only those paragraphs that capture the entire essence of the article. 

One more reason why UPSC relies on the whole article for RC answers is because it wants to avoid students contesting their answers. If UPSC itself decides the answers to RCs, there’ll be no uniformity and its too much discretion in their hands. But if UPSC shifts the burden to the article author, it’s much easier. 

And we all know how conservative UPSC is. It does not take chances. In 2018, UPSC said Aadhaar could be connected to ‘any electronic device.’ We all know that’s patently wrong but since Nandan Nilekani himself said it in an article, it’s right for UPSC! 


If indeed essence does not change, no need to look at the whole article. We can still arrive at the answer by reading only the comprehension.

Yes bhai...article se sirf we get to know the right answer ...no doubt u can arrive only by reading the passage....jo question theek hua hai..woh passage parh kar he hua hai

Bhai now they are giving difficult options to choose between either 2/3 options. I have cleared csat in all my previous attempts by relying on RC and some Quant. From 2019 onwards choosing RC  answers is way more difficult now. Now that I knew that they pick verbatim from articles and we need to know the essence of that article based  on that I m feeling scared for the next attempt as well. 

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@Tokyo aurang ka keys kaha pe milega?


i think aurang ki keys me kuch typo hai...from article study.... nutrition question Ans: B     

Dam Question Ans: D.... rest is fine....not sure about economic liberalization part, i think from article it can be A or C

Yes its typo, he rectified in later comments

I depend on any one question to get in my favor may be Biotechnology Wala where actual article talked about people's  participation 

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That dam Wala question in RC is C or D.

Aurang posted once it's C then D. What will be the answer. anyone@Equalizer @Aurang_mirasudar  

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@Rakhmabai it’s D! All options given verbatim in the article. I marked it C though :((


I Also marked C 

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From now on if anyone post any question as doubtful or post any random source to get it correct.

He/she has to give 2 examples of any topic of ethics that can be used in ethics answers to compensate the time waste of other fellow aspirants commenting on their post. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Aurang_mirasudar 

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This thread is something like masturbation(proving self answers correct) thinking it as Sex(UPSC answers). XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
                             

Hahaha 

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This thread is something like masturbation(proving self answers correct) thinking it as Sex(UPSC answers). XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
                             

Take it in lighter mood guys! I'm also one of the doubtful folks like you!

Do char din or chala to part 3 of constitution dpsp ho jayega yaha 

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AI question on bahubali style

Upsc as a Maharaj bhallal dev and bahu as aspirant

Upsc : bahu ye Kya vyavhar hai tum pidit(coaching) ko dhamka rahe ho ho 

Bahu: vinti karne se Sach bahar nahi aayega Maharaj 

Upsc : apni hadhh Paar kar rahe ho bahubali 

Bahu: AI k option D deke aap pehle hi haddh Paar kar chuke hain Maharaj 

Bahu : galat answer tha tabhi sabhi coaching k key ladkhada rahe the, AI ka D jhoota sabit hua 

Upsc: Maan bhi liya AI ka answer C Hai to iska faisla kise karna chahiye tumhe ya Maharaj ko ya tum khud ko Maharaj samjne lage ho

Upsc to bahu : bahiskarnam 






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I am starting with reading ncert again. If you are interested ping me.  Daily reading one ncert chapters and discuss what is important in it for exam purposes. 

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