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Rishi Sunak : Does a PIO as British PM make you happy?

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mightyraju,DMand2 otherslike this
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Yes

Rishi Sunak's rise has nothing to offer to us Indians at the geopolitical level 


But at psychological level, it breaks away the myth of white superiority that a lot of us still carry within us 


The British said that civilising the Indians was a White man's burden. But today, UK has reached a point where reviving its crumbling economy has come on the shoulders of a Brown Man - BROWN MAN'S BURDEN INDEED 


I am elated to witness that a brown man, whose forefathers were compared to Dogs, will now reside at the 10 Downing street. 




Neyawn,mightyrajuand21 otherslike this
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Yes

Rishi Sunak's rise has nothing to offer to us Indians at the geopolitical level 


But at psychological level, it breaks away the myth of white superiority that a lot of us still carry within us 


The British said that civilising the Indians was a White man's burden. But today, UK has reached a point where reviving its crumbling economy has come on the shoulders of a Brown Man - BROWN MAN'S BURDEN INDEED 


I am elated to witness that a brown man, whose forefathers were compared to Dogs, will now reside at the 10 Downing street. 




Reading “I am elated to witness that a brown man, whose forefathers were compared to Dogs, will now reside at the 10 Downing Street” with AP Dhillon’s-Brown Munde  being played as background music feels differently aye! 😁

mightyraju,GaneshGaitondeand8 otherslike this
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I feel both good and bad :)

Good as@Ganesh_Gaitonde has argued. Though I do not know much about Sunak, the number of people we export is tremendous! 

Bad because of the brain drain. I see most of my peers who are going to pursue master's or Ph.D. in STEM are in the US. No one wants to pursue higher studies in India mainly because of poor quality and resources. A few years down the line they might be like Pichai or Nadella or Sunak with American or British citizenship and we'll be proud! And guess what after 2-3 generations they won't be even sending remittances which we promptly write in our answers. The Indian taste and connection will also be lost so the economic benefits 

Neyawn,mightyrajuand7 otherslike this
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No I don't.

He is British, his grandparents were born in pre-partition Punjab and they moved to Kenya. His parents moved to Britain and Sunak was born there. 

Ask him his opinion on Colonialism /Jallianwala Bagh or the Bengal famine... that will settle his 'Indianess' for all those applauding and cheering his appointment as if it's something of national pride. Moreover he has reappointed Suella Braverman who was in news for her 'Indian remarks' which Sunak has termed as 'error of judgement '.

He is a product of colonialism and a child of the empire. Nothing to be proud or happy about. At best he is a brown sahib, brown on the outside and white inside. A classic product of the civilising mission, Churchill would be proud.

And he would be hanging the same board 'Indians and dogs not allowed' with anti-immigration policies given the chance. 



mightyraju,GaryVeeand8 otherslike this
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Nation is culturally defined area in which people are attached to each other by historical, religious etc links. In this case, Indians are happy because the pm of uk has roots of Indian origin. 
mightyraju,MaximilienRobespierre
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My observation is not  specifically from a political angle but a general one.


I feel UK’s overall perception and behaviour towards India is softening and becoming more favourable than it used to be before, which ultimately will help in mutual development of relations in between the two nations. 


And this change of attitude in a positive manner is what I feel is one reason why people are cherishing the fact that a brown man is sitting at the power seat of a nation where majority of the people are believers of the so called white supremacy.


There are certain examples which I would like to substantiate, and they are based on my day to day experience/observations.


For eg, KSI(a very popular London based YouTuber) laughing his arse off on memes having Indian aspects in his YT videos. He knows that Indian youth does form a considerable portion of his overall fan base (including me, eagerly waiting for his recently launched energy drink called PRIME to be available in Indian stores).


Then another example being a guy named Max(born and brought up in UK only) from a YouTube channel called Korean Englishman, wherein while enjoying Korean food while being in Korea itself, he, out of nowhere mentions he loves Indian food because he has been exposed to it, as some of his relative was from India. In this case, India had got nothing to with such mentioning, but still it got exposed to a large  number of viewers of that channel, and that too on a positive note.


Then , apart from the above mentioned things, economically, we all know how India and UK  keep on interchanging positions when it comes to the ranking of top largest economies of world. Then there is this Brexit factor as well. UK for sure realise that India is one of the emerging economies of the present times with which it has to keep cordial economic ties at all cost.


So, all in all, these are some day to day observations that make me feel why some people are rejoicing the electing of a brown person at the post of Prime minister of UK.


Also, on a side note, if UK’s education system itself is not imparting knowledge about the historic wrongs they did under the garb of Imperialism, I don’t think the common people of UK is to be solely blamed.


Rest, it is to be seen how things go in future. Nevertheless, I personally think that we Indians do deserve a formal apology by the leader/s of UK for the Jaliawalabagh massacre and the other historic wrongs they committed, so they can proceed with our future relations  by doing so. It, for sure, will be a very good thing to begin with. 

mightyraju,MaximilienRobespierre
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Rishi Sunak is as Indian as Barak Obama is Kenyan. He is born and raised in Britain. Neither Sunak becoming the PM suggests new found multiculturalism of UK. In spite of proving his competence as a Chancellor during pandemic through sound economic policies, he was sidelined by an incompetent white person- Liz Truss. 

Think for a moment Rishi acting in a manner Boris Johnson did- partygate scandal, lying to Queen. Tolerant and race neutral British people will rip him off. 

And there are many PIOs like Rishi at top political posts- Kamla Harris (USA), Leo Varadkar (Ireland). But that does not mean India has some kind of advantage when it comes to bilateral trade and security relations. Rather, Sunak has recalled Suella Braverman to Cabinet whose remarks few days back about Indian diaspora in UK are quite unfortunate. 

To me, all these PIOs holding top political and professional posts in foreign countries reflects failure of Indian economy in retaining best talent within the country. In addition to economy, backward infrastructure, conservative social attitudes and politics dominated by caste and religion are among factors that we have to witness many Indian CEOs, PMs, VPs in USA, Europe and across the world than in India.

However, I believe that this whole story is beginning to change. India is rising and it is rising rapidly.
mightyraju,GaryVeeand4 otherslike this
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@TheNotorious ksi and that korean man targets indian audience as they know there are millions of people in india with internet connections and mobile. Their sole purpose is increasing their followers and getting sponsorship. Many American and other countries travel vloggers are coming to india in this hope only. No correlation with the topic i would say


mightyraju,MaximilienRobespierre
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I'm happy, not for what's visible on the foreground incl. reasons like Indian descent, first brown UK PM etc. but what's in the background. A lot of these leaders of Indian descent are being elected to top post not just for their sheer talent but they are broadly more representative of the electorate/employee-base. So what's not immediately visible is the proportion of Indians in each of these countries/companies. Our diaspora, literally and statistically, run the economies of some of these giant countries and companies. Now, that's a great opportunity for India to tap into that wealth and benefit economically, for we still hold the world's largest poor populace.  
mightyraju,discoFighterand2 otherslike this
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@Jurgen_klopp Bhai KSI ka even I agree that to some extent it might be possible that he is targeting Indian viewers for a particular purpose but that Korean channel has got nothing to with India per se, their content is limited to Korea and it’s culture only.


And both the channels have a global subscribers base. So whatever they are conveying about India, it is not just restricted to Indian viewers but global viewers. Hence I was trying to convey how these YouTubers based in UK are affecting    India’s image in the global eyes(including UK) and that too positively. 


Basically, these creators are creating content, the viewers based in UK and other parts of the world are getting to know about India positively. Similarly, viewers at India are too feeling positive knowing the other parts of the world are getting to know about our country. 


And in this way, i feel the growing affinity between these two countries is one reason why some people here in India are feeling happy about the recent election of PM of UK.


This may sound not so relevant, apologies for that. As I wrote earlier that it was a general perspective based on day to day experiences. 


mightyraju,MaximilienRobespierre
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Tatasaid

I feel both good and bad :)

Good as@Ganesh_Gaitonde has argued. Though I do not know much about Sunak, the number of people we export is tremendous! 

Bad because of the brain drain. I see most of my peers who are going to pursue master's or Ph.D. in STEM are in the US. No one wants to pursue higher studies in India mainly because of poor quality and resources. A few years down the line they might be like Pichai or Nadella or Sunak with American or British citizenship and we'll be proud! And guess what after 2-3 generations they won't be even sending remittances which we promptly write in our answers. The Indian taste and connection will also be lost so the economic benefits 

I don't think people migrating to the US and Canada,  the skilled ones with STEM degrees, are anyway sending remittances back. Remittances are sent back by people who plan to come back someday or want to keep family back at home. People migrating to US and Canada, the skilled worker is only scheming to move his family up there.

mightyraju,DMand4 otherslike this
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Also note that India will gain little from such a Prime Minister politically. That is a side note, and should in no way diminish our happiness. Think of it - George Bush - who conventionally looks so pro-pakistan, was much better a President for India than Barack Obama whom we said descended from Africa - with which we had civilisational commonalities.

Sunak's burden is that he has the responsibility of not only being neutral, but also seen to be neutral in London. I am also not sure ( nor have the knowledge of domestic politics and political culture there ) if he could win popular vote. As he is already being criticised there that he is an appointed PM and not an elected one.

( The criticism is not fairly valid, as in a Prime Ministerial form of govt you actually choose your MPs and not your Prime Minister )

mightyraju,DMand2 otherslike this
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43% of people voting a "No".

So many naysayers and not many people giving reasons for their answer?

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Like suella bravermen who justified colonialism, he will have to justify colonialism to prove is his British-ness.
mightyraju,Lawsticeand1 otherslike this
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I am far more happy for Conservatives avoiding a mid term election than anything else. As far as my understanding goes, Conservative governments in the Global North may try pushing the hyperbole on immigration, but they are often favourable for our National Interests.Atleast, they avoid intervening in our internal matters and acting as global policing States when Conservative factions are at the helm of affairs. 

TheUbermensch,Lawsticeand2 otherslike this
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PIO have the same inherent tendency which is dormant inside almost all Indians , i.e. to seek white skin validation. It's great from the perspective of diversity and fight against racism, that a Brown man becomes a CEO or PM. But to expect that it will favour India, is a big mistake, as they are likely (and obviously should) serve their own masters. 

There have been several such examples in Bobby Jindal (governor in US), Kamala Harris, etc.

Lawstice,morsmodreand2 otherslike this
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Wholesome! We need more of this stuff.
MaximilienRobespierre,
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"Happy" toh yaad bhi nahi last time kab the, ye word dekhte hi "no" pe click thok diya :P. Maybe if it is rephrased again, response could be different. "Happiness" toh bahut close cheezon se hoti hai, in my humble opinion. Appointment of UK PM is too far away, too political and impersonal. For me, personal and political are not the same. Emotional responses to political things is too exhausting. 
Neyawn,GaryVeeand3 otherslike this
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Optimism for General Category. They can somehow escape Ambedkarite onslaught & fallout of Mandal politics to safe (& better) havens although at the cost of deracination. 
Jurgen_klopp,
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@Neyawn remove the personality/president lens of Bush vs Obama & put on the Republican/Conservative/Realist/Huntington-Mearsheimer lens vs. Democrat/Liberal/Liberal/Fukuyama lens. From the PSIR notes gyaan, personalities of Leaders do not matter so much as the institutions/think tanks driving the Foreign Policy.


Neyawn,
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