Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain
The Civils Mains result has been declared. This thread is for sharing your grief , joy , mixed feelings - absolutely anything and everything.
Even more important than JEE preparation years is how you spend the next 4 or 5 years. If you do not study and barely manage to pass the courses in your college, CSE is bad news. It will take years before you realise the kind of bad habits you picked up there and it will affect your CSE preparation.
I agree 100% : )
Would be really interested in your comments on this guys.
(Larger context- Indias global image: how the world sees india should define how india sees the world)I believe it is only on account of cultural differences.
I like curry, I do like roaming around without t shirt while in farms back in village
This is not something that we should hide or feel ashamed. There are bigger things to worry when dealing with Japanesse, the foremost among them is not being punctual and I have personally felt humiliation many a times on this account, they often show watch as a gesture : )
cultural differences yes. but i just felt the vlogger made some relevant points and raised genuine concerns. especially considering he would have to face direct brunt of the stereotyping unlike us. personally i felt it was in poor taste. but honestly im not surprised. as much as we admire the japanese or other great powers, i feel we should be cautious about how they, as a nation, view us. nobody is our 'friend'. especially not if they look down upon us in this way. i may be overthinking but i feel east asians dont see india/indians in good light. thats what i have gathered from several hours of youtube vlogs :P
Yes stereotyping is bad, I am so much sorry for Japanesse :D
I found the video more of clickbait kind of, and accordingly content was prepared.
Indians there could help them realise the true spirit of India through their deeds
This fellow in video forgot the doctrine of Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam and speaking stuffs like his tax money is gift to old age pensioners. That was bad aspect.
East Asians, I am not sure how they look us, but there are so many other big nations playing a role out there, that India’s contribution is definitely marginalised
Spoken like the true shoulder angel. Thats a real positive and constructive way of looking at it. I agree. But i would still give the benefit of doubt to the vlogger because he has skin in the game. I was not commenting on his presentation of facts. He was being diarespectful and paranoid. Im just interested in the worst case scenario. How does India deal with a negative image? We have problems at home no doubt. But mockery in the guise of freedom of expression will have more harm in the long run. We must be prepared is all im saying.
thepolicydreamer,JammuWould be really interested in your comments on this guys.
(Larger context- Indias global image: how the world sees india should define how india sees the world)I believe it is only on account of cultural differences.
I like curry, I do like roaming around without t shirt while in farms back in village
This is not something that we should hide or feel ashamed. There are bigger things to worry when dealing with Japanesse, the foremost among them is not being punctual and I have personally felt humiliation many a times on this account, they often show watch as a gesture : )
cultural differences yes. but i just felt the vlogger made some relevant points and raised genuine concerns. especially considering he would have to face direct brunt of the stereotyping unlike us. personally i felt it was in poor taste. but honestly im not surprised. as much as we admire the japanese or other great powers, i feel we should be cautious about how they, as a nation, view us. nobody is our 'friend'. especially not if they look down upon us in this way. i may be overthinking but i feel east asians dont see india/indians in good light. thats what i have gathered from several hours of youtube vlogs :P
Yes stereotyping is bad, I am so much sorry for Japanesse :D
I found the video more of clickbait kind of, and accordingly content was prepared.
Indians there could help them realise the true spirit of India through their deeds
This fellow in video forgot the doctrine of Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam and speaking stuffs like his tax money is gift to old age pensioners. That was bad aspect.
East Asians, I am not sure how they look us, but there are so many other big nations playing a role out there, that India’s contribution is definitely marginalised
Spoken like the true shoulder angel. Thats a real positive and constructive way of looking at it. I agree. But i would still give the benefit of doubt to the vlogger because he has skin in the game. I was not commenting on his presentation of facts. He was being diarespectful and paranoid. Im just interested in the worst case scenario. How does India deal with a negative image? We have problems at home no doubt. But mockery in the guise of freedom of expression will have more harm in the long run. We must be prepared is all im saying.
Yes, I agree with you. Bad image is being spoiled on our nation. Recently, CNN news coverage in USA made it a clickbait headline “Covid surges in ‘Hell’ of World” while referring to India while reporter was in Varanasi.
But studying int’l affairs in past one year made me realise other nations are equally doing bad, it was just the perception that they were working upon.
Like Black lives matter, racism, vaccine nationalism (in fact patenting) have exposed the faultlines there.
But yes in our home, this freedom of expression will taunt us every time when wall of fame would speak wonders : )
NOLEisGOAT,
representation ki baat toh civil service reforms , indianisation of administration, simon commission ki zamaane se chali aa rhi hai. if the presumption then was that only Indians can work for interest of indians, then why cant that principle be extended to women, obcs, muslims, sc/st etc The doors of private sector are open for meritorious candidates , state institutions cant be compared with ordinary private sector jobs. Because unlike private sector, State wields coercive power and performs the function of redistribution and for that to be fair, representation is important. State decisions have the potential to create life and death situation for the proverbial last man. Private sectors cant deprive anyone of food , and other welfare measures but state can.@necromancer Sir General Category ke liye "Reserved" nhi hai 50% seats which means OPEN FOR ALL ie 100% population on 50% seats, itne hi capable ho toh 50% pe fight krro rather quota seats. Jali ho toh pani daal lo. Peace.
Jitne log yahan marginalised groups k neta ban rhe hain ,inme se bahut se fake non- Creamy layer certificate banwakar genuine non- Creamy layer students ki seats kha jaate hain. Fir social media pe har baat m proportional representation ki demand karte hain.
People talk about concentration of wealth, progressive taxation, inequality , and somehow seem to justify 20% people being occupying>40% while OBCs who constitute 50% of population have only 22% strength in central services. AB kya chahte ho 20% ko 60..80% seats mil jayeparadoxically , while reservation continues to be rebuked, bashed, and criticised, we see reservation only increasing and being extended to new sections like EWS. Ab toh log reservation for locals in private sector ki baat kr rhe
A good discussion on caste based reservation system and the required changes in it.
Although, I agree with you on many fronts, but lets not bring the gender issue here.
Women are indeed give good roles.
Guri’s ex did make it to SPSC. Her confidence while confronting Abhilash’s negative approach is well appreciated.
Dhairya always had clarity of though. Unlike Abhilash, she read terms and conditions of fee back so well. She helped Abhilash get a new specs. She always had Plan B of going to rural areas and fight against drug abuse. She did it.
The landlady where Abhilash was staying, had more wisdom than her husband. She made him shift TV to next room.
Kusum kept waiting for Sandeep Bhaiya for years, honesty, loyalty, sacrifice is not just in everyone’s character.
Women are indeed shown in glorified manner. So what if not UPSC, their personaliy is shown way much better than Abhilash, Guri, Sandeep, SK combined. Sandeep, Abhilash were so much self centred. Men were the ones who realised their mistake at the end.
Absolutely loved this discussion! Amazed at the depth of the arguments. Especially those of @whatonly @Villanelle @DeekshitaP probably because I agreed with them more. :P
@Jammu , your observations made me think. Thank you! But here’s what I came up with.
I think women are given good roles as well. They are portrayed as good and talented people. You’ve pointed out the examples. However, on a closer analysis, we can find that:
“Guri’s ex” clearing SPSC was a plot device to prove the hypothesis that relationships at ORN don’t last; a hypothesis discussed by a number of males at a tea shop.
Dhairya’s clarity of thought was also a plot device to show that she was the answer to the problems Abhilash was facing. Behind every successful man, there stands a woman types. While I agree with this general statement, I don’t think most women aspire to be the answer to a man’s problems. To a lot of them, I believe lack of clarity of thought/ misplaced priorities on the part of a male might be a huge turnoff.
The landlady does get the husband to shift the TV to another room. However, that is only when Abhilash starts bringing her stuff, and tries to step into the shoes of her absent son. Here, the landlady is portrayed in a good light when her motherly instincts kick in.
Sandeep Bhaiyya loved the exam and the idea of clearing it more than he loved her. He could have married her much earlier if it was so important to him. Hence, he made a choice. He made his priorities clear despite knowing her limitations. It’s not portrayed in the show as such, but I think we can assume he isn’t a bumbling idiot. Kusum’s honesty, loyalty and sacrifice towards a man who couldn’t sacrifice for her shouldn’t really be celebrated in my view. Rather toxic, that relationship. She made a poor call, I think. But in the show, her dutiful nature is portrayed in a good light.
Finally, after all, it is a show about “men realising their mistake at the end.” Also, I don’t see why all the women in the show had to be fair, fit and conventionally pretty.
Even more important than JEE preparation years is how you spend the next 4 or 5 years. If you do not study and barely manage to pass the courses in your college, CSE is bad news. It will take years before you realise the kind of bad habits you picked up there and it will affect your CSE preparation.
Couldn't have said it better !
I was enrolled into Aakash IIT-JEE coaching. I wanted to make a career in sports though. I was one of those tall, lanky guys during my formative years ; one of those blokes who somehow manage to be in the school's football team, cricket team, volleyball team and even win a bunch of medals at district and state level track and field athletics meet (200m and 400m were my forte). Of course i failed AIEEE miserably. 86789 was my magic number. Somehow, I managed to clear SRM university's own entrance exam and got a seat in SRM Engineering college, Chennai.
And now that i was "free", I spent all my time in various sports oriented activities in College. Morning were reserved for track and field practice. After Classes, it was time for football. And after returning to our flats, it was time for e-sports --FIFA , Counter strike and Crysis. I captained my college football team, won a bunch of tournaments, travelled extensively with the team (including Manipal, Vellore and Symbiosis) and made a bunch of memories that remain etched in my mind to this day.
Fast forward to 2017 when i quit my job, took the plunge and moved to Delhi -- Guess what was the first thing I did ? I got in touch with Arsenal Delhi (for the uninitiated, Arsenal is a Premiere league club based in London and there is a fan based club in Delhi....goes without saying that I am a die hard arsenal fan) and started playing football regularly with them. I used to be more eager about the evening football matches than the morning classes at Vajiram. I used to be more chuffed about what happened in the Mid week champions league matches than which editorial is worth making notes out of. I was more pumped about Yuvi making a 150 at Cuttack or Nadal winning his 12th French open title.
It took me 3 years to let go off my "Inner Engineer" and realize that CSE requires qualities, habits et al. that I simply didn't have. I was too fickle (probably still am), too instinctive and way too whimsical. I struggled to sit for long hours. Basically, I was the perfect anti-thesis to an ideal CSE-Aspirant. And all this because of a whole lifetime of nuances, perspectives and ways of living i picked up subconsciously in my formative years including college years.
Do I still think I can curb my instincts and do the necessary, as I enter the 5th year of my tryst with UPSC ? I do.
Is it easy to tame a mind that was trained in a particular way for 24 years ? .............
Although, I agree with you on many fronts, but lets not bring the gender issue here.
Women are indeed give good roles.
Guri’s ex did make it to SPSC. Her confidence while confronting Abhilash’s negative approach is well appreciated.
Dhairya always had clarity of though. Unlike Abhilash, she read terms and conditions of fee back so well. She helped Abhilash get a new specs. She always had Plan B of going to rural areas and fight against drug abuse. She did it.
The landlady where Abhilash was staying, had more wisdom than her husband. She made him shift TV to next room.
Kusum kept waiting for Sandeep Bhaiya for years, honesty, loyalty, sacrifice is not just in everyone’s character.
Women are indeed shown in glorified manner. So what if not UPSC, their personaliy is shown way much better than Abhilash, Guri, Sandeep, SK combined. Sandeep, Abhilash were so much self centred. Men were the ones who realised their mistake at the end.
Absolutely loved this discussion! Amazed at the depth of the arguments. Especially those of @whatonly @Villanelle @DeekshitaP probably because I agreed with them more. :P
@Jammu , your observations made me think. Thank you! But here’s what I came up with.
I think women are given good roles as well. They are portrayed as good and talented people. You’ve pointed out the examples. However, on a closer analysis, we can find that:
“Guri’s ex” clearing SPSC was a plot device to prove the hypothesis that relationships at ORN don’t last; a hypothesis discussed by a number of males at a tea shop.
Dhairya’s clarity of thought was also a plot device to show that she was the answer to the problems Abhilash was facing. Behind every successful man, there stands a woman types. While I agree with this general statement, I don’t think most women aspire to be the answer to a man’s problems. To a lot of them, I believe lack of clarity of thought/ misplaced priorities on the part of a male might be a huge turnoff.
The landlady does get the husband to shift the TV to another room. However, that is only when Abhilash starts bringing her stuff, and tries to step into the shoes of her absent son. Here, the landlady is portrayed in a good light when her motherly instincts kick in.
Sandeep Bhaiyya loved the exam and the idea of clearing it more than he loved her. He could have married her much earlier if it was so important to him. Hence, he made a choice. He made his priorities clear despite knowing her limitations. It’s not portrayed in the show as such, but I think we can assume he isn’t a bumbling idiot. Kusum’s honesty, loyalty and sacrifice towards a man who couldn’t sacrifice for her shouldn’t really be celebrated in my view. Rather toxic, that relationship. She made a poor call, I think. But in the show, her dutiful nature is portrayed in a good light.
Finally, after all, it is a show about “men realising their mistake at the end.” Also, I don’t see why all the women in the show had to be fair, fit and conventionally pretty.
All those who started the discussion and gradually convinced others about the prevailing gender issues be like :
A question always comes to mind and today I would like to ask.
@NOLEisGOAT and@AzadHindFauz, since you guys prepared for JEE as well, does the prior experience of preparing for a competitive exam helps in UPSC. If yes, to what extent?Or, since you guys already had hustled so much for 1-2 years in isolation, does going back to a similar experience is harder due to mental fatigue?
Others who also prepared for any competitive exam earlier, please share your experiences as well. :)
I also prepared for JEE and am right now in IIT. Having given a competitive exam earlier and cracked it, I think it gives confidence and mental clarity (in terms of efforts needed to be put). I don't mind studying in isolation and I have also realized that consistency and discipline in study is the key. Also preparing for JEE develops a certain analytical attitude where you begin to find reason behind things (the WHY aspect), solve a problem from multiple angles (probability and trigonometry questions would always have multiple approaches to answers).
SergioRamos,
@RYZEN which optional ?
Kahin History bol diya to we both will cry rivers tonight I feel! :P
History optional k sath bahut dardnak kahaniya sun li hai ab to. jab 2017 me pehli baar history k logon k marks dekhe the to rona hi aa gya tha.
Agar aaplog bhi aise bolenge toh humlog kaha jaenge😂
Bahut mushkil se mai khudko convince kiya hu
your writeup took my back 5 years.
No compromise with bench should be done. I always remain mentally prepared for faulty bench and subsequent action of getting it replaced. Go inside exam hall 20 minutes early check your seat and if there is any problem raise your request with teacher (in all probability he/she will try to ignore you) if they don't replace your seat go to UPSC personnel at centre they are mostly old age person and are very helpful request him politely, most of the time these person will solve your issue without any problem.I need some advice. I always wanted to know how do you guys mentally prepare for things beyond your control and not be anxious?To give you an example, I found my bench in the essay paper this year to be very shaky. Being the 1st paper, I kinda went blank for 5-10 minutes thinking how am I going to write 9 papers on this! This definitely cost me some marks. Another example is when someone switched a noisy pedestal fan in prelims this year right behind me and despite my pleadings, didn't budge. 3-4 minutes lost there as well.Long story short, how do I calm my mind in such situations? I've been a perfectionist all my life and any slight tweaking in the surroundings throws me off. I want to change this ASAP! Hope this made sense! :pAny suggestions are welcomed.@SergioRamos @whatonly @Patootie @Villanelle @Sherkhan1428 @NOLEisGOAT and others.
EiChan,@RYZEN which optional ?
Kahin History bol diya to we both will cry rivers tonight I feel! :P
History optional k sath bahut dardnak kahaniya sun li hai ab to. jab 2017 me pehli baar history k logon k marks dekhe the to rona hi aa gya tha.
Arrey ap aise na kahiye. History le liya hai ab! :P
EiChan,@RYZEN which optional ?
Kahin History bol diya to we both will cry rivers tonight I feel! :P
History optional k sath bahut dardnak kahaniya sun li hai ab to. jab 2017 me pehli baar history k logon k marks dekhe the to rona hi aa gya tha.
Arrey ap aise na kahiye. History le liya hai ab! :P
haaha bhai humne bhi li hai. ab darna kya :-P
EiChan,
BlueLotus,nerdslayer
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