CSE 2022: Plan/ Strategy/ Daily Routine
This is an everything thread for all stuff 2022. You can post your daily goals, end-of-the-day updates, weekly targets or any weird thing you use to measure your progress. You can put into words & post the soul-sucking sadness that is threatening to devour you & your productivity. You can write what made your day & let others experience the happiness too, at least vicariously. This is a thread to pick each other up. This is a thread to keep each other accountable. This is a no-judgement zone.
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“This is one more piece of advice I have for you: don't get impatient. Even if things are so tangled up you can't do anything, don't get desperate or blow a fuse and start yanking on one particular thread before it's ready to come undone. You have to realize it's going to be a long process and that you'll work on things slowly, one at a time.”
— Haruki Murakami, Norwegian Wood
I think I've shared this stuff in the past. I was just going through this book again, and I felt like sharing this, again. xD
Background- Chandrashekhar and others joined Congress
This part gives me chill. Moreover that "elites among elites" and "subaltern among subaltern" compels you to think something which you already know, but don't think on those lines enough. How a person from modest of the background assumed the PMO, how few months of his prime ministership changed the course of India, and how the budget introduced by Dr. Manmohan Singh in 1991 was supposed to be introduced by Chandrashekar's Govt and YET Luteyns never did justice with this man. (and if you'll search at right place, you'll know why)
This month until now has been heavy on me, the days seems dark, and nights darker. Probably going through this book again may help me come out of slumber.
Please share such anecdotes or so, keep this chat lively :). Baki padhai karne ki koshish toh hoti hi rahegi :D
What book is this? :)
Chandra Shekhar : Last Icon of Ideological Politics.
Seeing the title of book, PSIR peeps may get intrigued and bring in End of Ideology Thesis xD. Perhaps that was the time when ideology was cherished and ideological conviction was treasured.
Chandra Shekhar : Last Icon of Ideological Politics.
Seeing the title of book, PSIR peeps may get intrigued and bring in End of Ideology Thesis xD. Perhaps that was the time when ideology was cherished and ideological conviction was treasured.
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
Chandra Shekhar : Last Icon of Ideological Politics.
Seeing the title of book, PSIR peeps may get intrigued and bring in End of Ideology Thesis xD. Perhaps that was the time when ideology was cherished and ideological conviction was treasured.
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
Aahh, DY Chandrachud gives me hope. He and his father, both gave interesting judgements at interesting times. Remember Minerva Mills case from Laxmikant? At that time Y.V. Chandrachud was the CJI. I believe it was the most imp case after Kesavananda Bharati. Minerva Mills ensured that India remains a democracy.
So far as, Gogoi's interview is concerned. I believe you are talking about the NDTV's one, not the ZEEnews one , because they were diametrically opposite. I sense his Offensive egoistic stance at the interview was essentially manifestation of his insecurity.
And Personal is Political, has to be political. Without bringing in these issues in public discourse, there'll be no prospects of end to gender specific barbarism.
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
Reminds me something..I think we have a similar point here..was having a conversation with one of my friend last year..I asked him "Why male ego is so deep routed that it leads to such disastrous outcomes like gangrape.. workplace harrasment.. domestic violence etc"..??
I wanted to explain him..that there is a common thread among males..and that is habit of "ना नहीं सुन ना है"..I hope you people remember..When I was not active for 4-5 days.. completed a series named." MINDHUNTER" ..it actually proves my point..(EGO PROBLEM)
And you are right..what will we expect from normal people if the so called "Educated elites" holding such strong position will behave in such absurd manner..! People think the same as what is shown to them..! Nobody wants to understand anything on grassroot level..
I don't remember exactly..but there was a column in magazine (THE HINDU)..A lady(I guess from BBC or may be an Indian Author) she went to these guys and asked..why rape happens or what is the mentality (even if you will be punished) so one of them replied.." गुस्सा आता है जब औरते ना बोलती हैं। हमे आदत नही है ना सुन ने की." I thought ohh haan(since childhood if you will see the same thing happening with your mother and sister you will be exactly the same)and "CHANGE" is not the new normal..:)
Sorry people..have written a lot..I know..:)
Sorry sorry..But Actually saw the post and it reminded me of the conversation I had with my friend... Although the conversation was so long( and proved my point also) but still have so many ques..
Bahot zyada likh diya hai..:)
Forgot to mention.. Honourable DY Chandrachud (literally have changed the image of CJI) he really gives us hope of a better judicial system and better judgements( and he is on the way..)
There are few judgements which actually deserves a huge round of applause..:)
Background- Chandrashekhar and others joined Congress
This part gives me chill. Moreover that "elites among elites" and "subaltern among subaltern" compels you to think something which you already know, but don't think on those lines enough. How a person from modest of the background assumed the PMO, how few months of his prime ministership changed the course of India, and how the budget introduced by Dr. Manmohan Singh in 1991 was supposed to be introduced by Chandrashekar's Govt and YET Luteyns never did justice with this man. (and if you'll search at right place, you'll know why)
This month until now has been heavy on me, the days seems dark, and nights darker. Probably going through this book again may help me come out of slumber.
Please share such anecdotes or so, keep this chat lively :). Baki padhai karne ki koshish toh hoti hi rahegi :D
What book is this? :)
Chandra Shekhar : Last Icon of Ideological Politics.
Seeing the title of book, PSIR peeps may get intrigued and bring in End of Ideology Thesis xD. Perhaps that was the time when ideology was cherished and ideological conviction was treasured.
Good to know I’m not the only one who reads books on politics :P
If you’re reading for pleasure, do check Jugalbandi out if you find the time!
Not a PSIR person but ideology has clearly become less relevant today then ever before. Perhaps some sociology folks can tell us why’s that! Happy reading :)
Reminds me something..I think we have a similar point here..was having a conversation with one of my friend last year..I asked him "Why male ego is so deep routed that it leads to such disastrous outcomes like gangrape.. workplace harrasment.. domestic violence etc"..??
I wanted to explain him..that there is a common thread among males..and that is habit of "ना नहीं सुन ना है"..I hope you people remember..When I was not active for 4-5 days.. completed a series named." MINDHUNTER" ..it actually proves my point..(EGO PROBLEM)
And you are right..what will we expect from normal people if the so called "Educated elites" holding such strong position will behave in such absurd manner..! People think the same as what is shown to them..! Nobody wants to understand anything on grassroot level..
I don't remember exactly..but there was a column in magazine (THE HINDU)..A lady(I guess from BBC or may be an Indian Author) she went to these guys and asked..why rape happens or what is the mentality (even if you will be punished) so one of them replied.." गुस्सा आता है जब औरते ना बोलती हैं। हमे आदत नही है ना सुन ने की." I thought ohh haan(since childhood if you will see the same thing happening with your mother and sister you will be exactly the same)and "CHANGE" is not the new normal..:)
Sorry people..have written a lot..I know..:)
Sorry sorry..But Actually saw the post and it reminded me of the conversation I had with my friend... Although the conversation was so long( and proved my point also) but still have so many ques..
Bahot zyada likh diya hai..:)
Forgot to mention.. Honourable DY Chandrachud (literally have changed the image of CJI) he really gives us hope of a better judicial system and better judgements( and he is on the way..)
There are few judgements which actually deserves a huge round of applause..:)
Agreed totally!
I think we as society, need rethinking. I don't know if even its possible because we ourselves are product of such conditioning and somewhere deep down the same blood and thinking flows and we might just do same or close to it. This needs to change.
And don't be sorry saying it was too long or anything else, I am happy we are able to start a conversation around these topics and moving on from a monotonous routine of posting routines.
Of course , he will be our CJI in future, can't just wait for that. After having some bad experiences with CJI's, particularly the last 3-4, from CJI Ramana I am seeing some change. Hopefully trend continues, independence of judiciary secured and rights protected.
Looking forward for some more fruitful discussion guys! :)
P.S - I have another topic for discussion, would be posting tomarrow.
Background- Chandrashekhar and others joined Congress
This part gives me chill. Moreover that "elites among elites" and "subaltern among subaltern" compels you to think something which you already know, but don't think on those lines enough. How a person from modest of the background assumed the PMO, how few months of his prime ministership changed the course of India, and how the budget introduced by Dr. Manmohan Singh in 1991 was supposed to be introduced by Chandrashekar's Govt and YET Luteyns never did justice with this man. (and if you'll search at right place, you'll know why)
This month until now has been heavy on me, the days seems dark, and nights darker. Probably going through this book again may help me come out of slumber.
Please share such anecdotes or so, keep this chat lively :). Baki padhai karne ki koshish toh hoti hi rahegi :D
What book is this? :)
Chandra Shekhar : Last Icon of Ideological Politics.
Seeing the title of book, PSIR peeps may get intrigued and bring in End of Ideology Thesis xD. Perhaps that was the time when ideology was cherished and ideological conviction was treasured.
Good to know I’m not the only one who reads books on politics :P
If you’re reading for pleasure, do check Jugalbandi out if you find the time!
Not a PSIR person but ideology has clearly become less relevant today then ever before. Perhaps some sociology folks can tell us why’s that! Happy reading :)
Arey wah. Have read this. It gives a great insight into a not so coherent relationship between Sangh and Vajpayee. Nevertheless want to get my hands on a book by same author. This book is about former PM Narsimha Rao, "The Half Lion". He assumed the mantle at the time of uncertainty in every domain of life, yet completed a full term, thanks to the well nourished "multi-linguistic" political acumen.
It's good to see people reading about politics. Perhaps hume budhapa aaraha hai? XD. They say upsc acts as age catalyst xD
Background- Chandrashekhar and others joined Congress
This part gives me chill. Moreover that "elites among elites" and "subaltern among subaltern" compels you to think something which you already know, but don't think on those lines enough. How a person from modest of the background assumed the PMO, how few months of his prime ministership changed the course of India, and how the budget introduced by Dr. Manmohan Singh in 1991 was supposed to be introduced by Chandrashekar's Govt and YET Luteyns never did justice with this man. (and if you'll search at right place, you'll know why)
This month until now has been heavy on me, the days seems dark, and nights darker. Probably going through this book again may help me come out of slumber.
Please share such anecdotes or so, keep this chat lively :). Baki padhai karne ki koshish toh hoti hi rahegi :D
What book is this? :)
Chandra Shekhar : Last Icon of Ideological Politics.
Seeing the title of book, PSIR peeps may get intrigued and bring in End of Ideology Thesis xD. Perhaps that was the time when ideology was cherished and ideological conviction was treasured.
Good to know I’m not the only one who reads books on politics :P
If you’re reading for pleasure, do check Jugalbandi out if you find the time!
Not a PSIR person but ideology has clearly become less relevant today then ever before. Perhaps some sociology folks can tell us why’s that! Happy reading :)
Arey wah. Have read this. It gives a great insight into a not so coherent relationship between Sangh and Vajpayee. Nevertheless want to get my hands on a book by same author. This book is about former PM Narsimha Rao, "The Half Lion". He assumed the mantle at the time of uncertainty in every domain of life, yet completed a full term, thanks to the well nourished "multi-linguistic" political acumen.
It's good to see people reading about politics. Perhaps hume budhapa aaraha hai? XD. They say upsc acts as age catalyst xD
That book is on my list too! And yes, budhapa aa raha hai clearly but now we’ve come too far to reverse the trend so might as well embrace it :P
Looking forward to more book excerpts on the thread :D
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
This discussion compelled me to come back to forum :)
Totally agree with what you have written about Justice Gogoi. The NDTV interview was such an eye opener although it was out there in the open since long time, to see him give voice to it and confirm everything that was said, is shocking. I think it is fitting that privilege motion has been moved against him in the RS.
Nemo judex in causa sua -No one should be a judge in their own case is one of the basic principles. Convened a special bench and headed it himself ?How intimidated the woman must have been in those proceedings ? Why does the procedure allow for this to happen even ? No, we are not going into the merits of the case here. The procedure was definitely problematic. Can nothing be questioned because it might undermine the independence of judiciary ?
Join you all in looking at Justice Chandrachud with hope. Whenever I am bored of studying from the book, I listen to his speeches. They are well articulated and sensitive towards the marginalised sections.
An excerpt from one of his speeches -
"The film(The Great Indian Kitchen) charted out the compounding indignities that the bride faced in unpaid and thankless labour that was exerted in domestic chores and cooking. The denial of her ambitions to work a job of her choice, and finally, the harsh isolation and associated untouchability when menstruating. The movie poignantly engaged with the news of the Supreme Court judgment and juxtaposed it with the livid reality of this woman who was not asserting. She was not asserting the right to go on the pilgrimage but was fighting a much deeper battle as her existence was diminished by her gender. This is a stark reminder for how mere legislative or judicial intervention does not automatically upend the inequities that are entrenched in our society."
I would recommend this Malayalam film if you haven't watched it yet. It was so close to reality that I had tears in my eyes in many instances.
Reminds me something..I think we have a similar point here..was having a conversation with one of my friend last year..I asked him "Why male ego is so deep routed that it leads to such disastrous outcomes like gangrape.. workplace harrasment.. domestic violence etc"..??
I wanted to explain him..that there is a common thread among males..and that is habit of "ना नहीं सुन ना है"..I hope you people remember..When I was not active for 4-5 days.. completed a series named." MINDHUNTER" ..it actually proves my point..(EGO PROBLEM)
And you are right..what will we expect from normal people if the so called "Educated elites" holding such strong position will behave in such absurd manner..! People think the same as what is shown to them..! Nobody wants to understand anything on grassroot level..
I don't remember exactly..but there was a column in magazine (THE HINDU)..A lady(I guess from BBC or may be an Indian Author) she went to these guys and asked..why rape happens or what is the mentality (even if you will be punished) so one of them replied.." गुस्सा आता है जब औरते ना बोलती हैं। हमे आदत नही है ना सुन ने की." I thought ohh haan(since childhood if you will see the same thing happening with your mother and sister you will be exactly the same)and "CHANGE" is not the new normal..:)
Sorry people..have written a lot..I know..:)
Sorry sorry..But Actually saw the post and it reminded me of the conversation I had with my friend... Although the conversation was so long( and proved my point also) but still have so many ques..
Bahot zyada likh diya hai..:)
Forgot to mention.. Honourable DY Chandrachud (literally have changed the image of CJI) he really gives us hope of a better judicial system and better judgements( and he is on the way..)
There are few judgements which actually deserves a huge round of applause..:)
Agreed totally!
I think we as society, need rethinking. I don't know if even its possible because we ourselves are product of such conditioning and somewhere deep down the same blood and thinking flows and we might just do same or close to it. This needs to change.
And don't be sorry saying it was too long or anything else, I am happy we are able to start a conversation around these topics and moving on from a monotonous routine of posting routines.
Of course , he will be our CJI in future, can't just wait for that. After having some bad experiences with CJI's, particularly the last 3-4, from CJI Ramana I am seeing some change. Hopefully trend continues, independence of judiciary secured and rights protected.
Looking forward for some more fruitful discussion guys! :)
P.S - I have another topic for discussion, would be posting tomarrow.
Now that it's getting interested..why can't we discuss few topics on a regular basis or on every alternate day..!!
Any issue..be it current or may be any sociological issue.. anything.. atleast it will be better and there will be a change also..from our normal routine..! We all should interact and share our views in a limited manner jisse padhai ka time bhi save ho and discussion bhi ho..
And btw..I always think to say this to you all..
Healthy discussion should be started on this thread..!
I agree with you..:)
Hey :)
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Members have time and again raised the issue to remove the people who are not contributing.
I hope you'll understand. We grow together as they say aggregation is the law of nature :)
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
This discussion compelled me to come back to forum :)
Totally agree with what you have written about Justice Gogoi. The NDTV interview was such an eye opener although it was out there in the open since long time, to see him give voice to it and confirm everything that was said, is shocking. I think it is fitting that privilege motion has been moved against him in the RS.
Nemo judex in causa sua -No one should be a judge in their own case is one of the basic principles. Convened a special bench and headed it himself ?How intimidated the woman must have been in those proceedings ? Why does the procedure allow for this to happen even ? No, we are not going into the merits of the case here. The procedure was definitely problematic. Can nothing be questioned because it might undermine the independence of judiciary ?
Join you all in looking at Justice Chandrachud with hope. Whenever I am bored of studying from the book, I listen to his speeches. They are well articulated and sensitive towards the marginalised sections.
An excerpt from one of his speeches -
"The film(The Great Indian Kitchen) charted out the compounding indignities that the bride faced in unpaid and thankless labour that was exerted in domestic chores and cooking. The denial of her ambitions to work a job of her choice, and finally, the harsh isolation and associated untouchability when menstruating. The movie poignantly engaged with the news of the Supreme Court judgment and juxtaposed it with the livid reality of this woman who was not asserting. She was not asserting the right to go on the pilgrimage but was fighting a much deeper battle as her existence was diminished by her gender. This is a stark reminder for how mere legislative or judicial intervention does not automatically upend the inequities that are entrenched in our society."
I would recommend this Malayalam film if you haven't watched it yet. It was so close to reality that I had tears in my eyes in many instances.
Great Indian kitchen has been one of my favourite movies, loved it! I remember how with each passing scene of seeing the woman in the kitchen, I grew more and more irritated and empathetic at the same time. With every detail whether eating food on dining table, to the leakage problem to that worst part during menstruation I grew a lot irritated, my anger towards the boy and his family knew no bounds. It made me angry, sad and empathetic at the same time.
Now that it's getting interested..why can't we discuss few topics on a regular basis or on every alternate day..!!
Any issue..be it current or may be any sociological issue.. anything.. atleast it will be better and there will be a change also..from our normal routine..! We all should interact and share our views in a limited manner jisse padhai ka time bhi save ho and discussion bhi ho..
And btw..I always think to say this to you all..
Healthy discussion should be started on this thread..!
I agree with you..:)
It isn't like topics, rather its your mind. You feel something has impacted you just say it here. We all are here to listen. The above one impacted me a lot, so yeah, speak your mind.
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
This discussion compelled me to come back to forum :)
Totally agree with what you have written about Justice Gogoi. The NDTV interview was such an eye opener although it was out there in the open since long time, to see him give voice to it and confirm everything that was said, is shocking. I think it is fitting that privilege motion has been moved against him in the RS.
Nemo judex in causa sua -No one should be a judge in their own case is one of the basic principles. Convened a special bench and headed it himself ?How intimidated the woman must have been in those proceedings ? Why does the procedure allow for this to happen even ? No, we are not going into the merits of the case here. The procedure was definitely problematic. Can nothing be questioned because it might undermine the independence of judiciary ?
Join you all in looking at Justice Chandrachud with hope. Whenever I am bored of studying from the book, I listen to his speeches. They are well articulated and sensitive towards the marginalised sections.
An excerpt from one of his speeches -
"The film(The Great Indian Kitchen) charted out the compounding indignities that the bride faced in unpaid and thankless labour that was exerted in domestic chores and cooking. The denial of her ambitions to work a job of her choice, and finally, the harsh isolation and associated untouchability when menstruating. The movie poignantly engaged with the news of the Supreme Court judgment and juxtaposed it with the livid reality of this woman who was not asserting. She was not asserting the right to go on the pilgrimage but was fighting a much deeper battle as her existence was diminished by her gender. This is a stark reminder for how mere legislative or judicial intervention does not automatically upend the inequities that are entrenched in our society."
I would recommend this Malayalam film if you haven't watched it yet. It was so close to reality that I had tears in my eyes in many instances.
I think of Gogoi and it makes me want to puke. Disgusting. I know the power of words like 'disgusting' and how as aspiring civil servants, we should not be this strong in our opinions. But I reserve the word for this one case. And then he goes on to justify all he did in the name of some higher purpose. Gautam Bhatia has several posts on Gogoi's tenure. Giving a link to one post.
https://indconlawphil.wordpress.com/2019/11/17/a-little-brief-authority-chief-justice-ranjan-gogoi-and-the-rise-of-the-executive-court/
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
This discussion compelled me to come back to forum :)
Totally agree with what you have written about Justice Gogoi. The NDTV interview was such an eye opener although it was out there in the open since long time, to see him give voice to it and confirm everything that was said, is shocking. I think it is fitting that privilege motion has been moved against him in the RS.
Nemo judex in causa sua -No one should be a judge in their own case is one of the basic principles. Convened a special bench and headed it himself ?How intimidated the woman must have been in those proceedings ? Why does the procedure allow for this to happen even ? No, we are not going into the merits of the case here. The procedure was definitely problematic. Can nothing be questioned because it might undermine the independence of judiciary ?
Join you all in looking at Justice Chandrachud with hope. Whenever I am bored of studying from the book, I listen to his speeches. They are well articulated and sensitive towards the marginalised sections.
An excerpt from one of his speeches -
"The film(The Great Indian Kitchen) charted out the compounding indignities that the bride faced in unpaid and thankless labour that was exerted in domestic chores and cooking. The denial of her ambitions to work a job of her choice, and finally, the harsh isolation and associated untouchability when menstruating. The movie poignantly engaged with the news of the Supreme Court judgment and juxtaposed it with the livid reality of this woman who was not asserting. She was not asserting the right to go on the pilgrimage but was fighting a much deeper battle as her existence was diminished by her gender. This is a stark reminder for how mere legislative or judicial intervention does not automatically upend the inequities that are entrenched in our society."
I would recommend this Malayalam film if you haven't watched it yet. It was so close to reality that I had tears in my eyes in many instances.
Justice Chandrachud in an absolute nerd-crush of mine. This is one Justice Chandrachud quote that I had kept in my notes for the clarity and freshness in his writing. This is from BK Pavithra-II case. A breath of fresh air on the discourse of Merit and Efficiency.
“Article 335 cannot be construed on the basis of a stereotypical assumption that roster point promotees drawn from the SCs and STs are not efficient or that efficiency is reduced by appointing them. This is stereotypical because it masks deep rooted social prejudice. The benchmark for the efficiency of administration is not some disembodied, abstract ideal measured by the performance of a qualified open category candidate. Efficiency of administration in the affairs of the Union or of a State must be defined in an inclusive sense, where diverse segments of society find representation as a true aspiration of governance by and for the people.
Our benchmarks will define our outcomes. If this benchmark of efficiency is grounded in exclusion, it will produce a pattern of governance which is skewed against the marginalised. If this benchmark of efficiency is grounded in equal access, our outcomes will reflect the commitment of the Constitution to produce a just social order.
Hence, while interpreting Article 335, it is necessary to liberate the concept of efficiency from a one sided approach which ignores the need for and the positive effects of the inclusion of diverse segments of society on the efficiency of administration of the Union or of a State. Establishing the position of the SCs and STs as worthy participants in affairs of governance is intrinsic to an equal citizenship. Equal citizenship recognises governance which is inclusive but also ensures that those segments of our society which have suffered a history of prejudice, discrimination and oppression have a real voice in governance. Since inclusion is inseparable from a well governed society, there is , in our view, no antithesis between maintaining the efficiency of administration and considering the claims of the SCs and STs to appointments to services and posts in connection with the affairs of the Union or of a State.”
“Administrative efficiency is an outcome of the actions taken by officials after they have been appointed or promoted and is not tied to the selection method itself. The argument that one selection method produces officials capable of taking better actions than a second method must be empirically proven based on an evaluation of the outcomes produced by officials selected through both methods.
Arguments that attack reservations on the grounds of efficiency equate merit with candidates who perform better than other candidates on seemingly “neutral” criteria, e.g. standardised examinations. Thus, candidates who score beyond a particular “cut-off point” are considered “meritorious” and others are “non-meritorious”. This is a distorted understanding of the function “merit” plays in society.
A “meritorious” candidate is not merely one who is “talented” or “successful” but also one whose appointment fulfils the constitutional goals of uplifting the members of the SCs and STs and ensuring a diverse and representative administration.”
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
This discussion compelled me to come back to forum :)
Totally agree with what you have written about Justice Gogoi. The NDTV interview was such an eye opener although it was out there in the open since long time, to see him give voice to it and confirm everything that was said, is shocking. I think it is fitting that privilege motion has been moved against him in the RS.
Nemo judex in causa sua -No one should be a judge in their own case is one of the basic principles. Convened a special bench and headed it himself ?How intimidated the woman must have been in those proceedings ? Why does the procedure allow for this to happen even ? No, we are not going into the merits of the case here. The procedure was definitely problematic. Can nothing be questioned because it might undermine the independence of judiciary ?
Join you all in looking at Justice Chandrachud with hope. Whenever I am bored of studying from the book, I listen to his speeches. They are well articulated and sensitive towards the marginalised sections.
An excerpt from one of his speeches -
"The film(The Great Indian Kitchen) charted out the compounding indignities that the bride faced in unpaid and thankless labour that was exerted in domestic chores and cooking. The denial of her ambitions to work a job of her choice, and finally, the harsh isolation and associated untouchability when menstruating. The movie poignantly engaged with the news of the Supreme Court judgment and juxtaposed it with the livid reality of this woman who was not asserting. She was not asserting the right to go on the pilgrimage but was fighting a much deeper battle as her existence was diminished by her gender. This is a stark reminder for how mere legislative or judicial intervention does not automatically upend the inequities that are entrenched in our society."
I would recommend this Malayalam film if you haven't watched it yet. It was so close to reality that I had tears in my eyes in many instances.
Justice Chandrachud in an absolute nerd-crush of mine. This is one Justice Chandrachud quote that I had kept in my notes for the clarity and freshness in his writing. This is from BK Pavithra-II case. A breath of fresh air on the discourse of Merit and Efficiency.
“Article 335 cannot be construed on the basis of a stereotypical assumption that roster point promotees drawn from the SCs and STs are not efficient or that efficiency is reduced by appointing them. This is stereotypical because it masks deep rooted social prejudice. The benchmark for the efficiency of administration is not some disembodied, abstract ideal measured by the performance of a qualified open category candidate. Efficiency of administration in the affairs of the Union or of a State must be defined in an inclusive sense, where diverse segments of society find representation as a true aspiration of governance by and for the people.
Our benchmarks will define our outcomes. If this benchmark of efficiency is grounded in exclusion, it will produce a pattern of governance which is skewed against the marginalised. If this benchmark of efficiency is grounded in equal access, our outcomes will reflect the commitment of the Constitution to produce a just social order.
Hence, while interpreting Article 335, it is necessary to liberate the concept of efficiency from a one sided approach which ignores the need for and the positive effects of the inclusion of diverse segments of society on the efficiency of administration of the Union or of a State. Establishing the position of the SCs and STs as worthy participants in affairs of governance is intrinsic to an equal citizenship. Equal citizenship recognises governance which is inclusive but also ensures that those segments of our society which have suffered a history of prejudice, discrimination and oppression have a real voice in governance. Since inclusion is inseparable from a well governed society, there is , in our view, no antithesis between maintaining the efficiency of administration and considering the claims of the SCs and STs to appointments to services and posts in connection with the affairs of the Union or of a State.”
“Administrative efficiency is an outcome of the actions taken by officials after they have been appointed or promoted and is not tied to the selection method itself. The argument that one selection method produces officials capable of taking better actions than a second method must be empirically proven based on an evaluation of the outcomes produced by officials selected through both methods.
Arguments that attack reservations on the grounds of efficiency equate merit with candidates who perform better than other candidates on seemingly “neutral” criteria, e.g. standardised examinations. Thus, candidates who score beyond a particular “cut-off point” are considered “meritorious” and others are “non-meritorious”. This is a distorted understanding of the function “merit” plays in society.
A “meritorious” candidate is not merely one who is “talented” or “successful” but also one whose appointment fulfils the constitutional goals of uplifting the members of the SCs and STs and ensuring a diverse and representative administration.”
I totally agree that having Justice Chandrachud in SC gives hope for justice to be seen for marginalized communities and to all and not only to the privileged or person in power.
It was a wonderful excerpt, amazed by the personality he was, the way he communicated and definitely want to read more about him.
I guess I am also in the same phase of days dark and nights darker, but I guess its getting better with time.
I guess when one keeps going, days do start becoming brighter. Each day is a new struggle, mentally and physically. Its same for all of us.
Take your own sweet time, give your mind the rest it deserves, give it time to heal if something's bothering and then get back to work. All the best.
About sharing stuff one thing has been bothering me since a long, want to just share - So after our ex-CJI released his book, saw his interviews. I was astonished by the way he communicated, he was aggressive and offensive, we just don't expect people from such high positions to communicate in this manner. Anyways that's not bothering.
So I decided to read about the sexual harassment case, and not just going by whether the allegations were true or not, what bothered me was the way it was handled. The woman was denied lawyer to represent her, there were no external members, the proceedings taken forward without the participation of the victim and of course the verdict was given. There was just one member who objected to women not being the part and that was Justice D.Y Chandrachud ( he gives me hope, some of his recent judgements are my favourite, I remember smiling once while reading his judgement, as he just gave me hope, that things could be better, can't remember the case though)
The below article mentions that, after refusing advances of the Gogoi, the woman did not ring the bells immediately and at the right time, she did it after her husband and brothers-in-law were were removed from their job. Why were all of that happening at the same time? She removed from her job, then her husband and their her brothers-in-law. What struck to me was that A man's ego was so hurt with that refusal of advances that he had just tried to destroy the life of the powerless woman? If male ego is such deep rooted and seen even in men of that stature and position, being highly educated, then what can we expect from the normal people?
The issues is in conditioning of child, parents refuse things children ask more so if they are men, they think its their right to ask things and get things. When they get a NO, they are not used to it, and then we see what we see all day.
Yeah, too much of ranting, but it was there. I hope we make this place a safe space for women soon!
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-justice-sacrifice-sexual-harassment-allegations-ranjan-gogoi
Read this for a better understanding of what I wanted to say.
This discussion compelled me to come back to forum :)
Totally agree with what you have written about Justice Gogoi. The NDTV interview was such an eye opener although it was out there in the open since long time, to see him give voice to it and confirm everything that was said, is shocking. I think it is fitting that privilege motion has been moved against him in the RS.
Nemo judex in causa sua -No one should be a judge in their own case is one of the basic principles. Convened a special bench and headed it himself ?How intimidated the woman must have been in those proceedings ? Why does the procedure allow for this to happen even ? No, we are not going into the merits of the case here. The procedure was definitely problematic. Can nothing be questioned because it might undermine the independence of judiciary ?
Join you all in looking at Justice Chandrachud with hope. Whenever I am bored of studying from the book, I listen to his speeches. They are well articulated and sensitive towards the marginalised sections.
An excerpt from one of his speeches -
"The film(The Great Indian Kitchen) charted out the compounding indignities that the bride faced in unpaid and thankless labour that was exerted in domestic chores and cooking. The denial of her ambitions to work a job of her choice, and finally, the harsh isolation and associated untouchability when menstruating. The movie poignantly engaged with the news of the Supreme Court judgment and juxtaposed it with the livid reality of this woman who was not asserting. She was not asserting the right to go on the pilgrimage but was fighting a much deeper battle as her existence was diminished by her gender. This is a stark reminder for how mere legislative or judicial intervention does not automatically upend the inequities that are entrenched in our society."
I would recommend this Malayalam film if you haven't watched it yet. It was so close to reality that I had tears in my eyes in many instances.
Justice Chandrachud in an absolute nerd-crush of mine. This is one Justice Chandrachud quote that I had kept in my notes for the clarity and freshness in his writing. This is from BK Pavithra-II case. A breath of fresh air on the discourse of Merit and Efficiency.
“Article 335 cannot be construed on the basis of a stereotypical assumption that roster point promotees drawn from the SCs and STs are not efficient or that efficiency is reduced by appointing them. This is stereotypical because it masks deep rooted social prejudice. The benchmark for the efficiency of administration is not some disembodied, abstract ideal measured by the performance of a qualified open category candidate. Efficiency of administration in the affairs of the Union or of a State must be defined in an inclusive sense, where diverse segments of society find representation as a true aspiration of governance by and for the people.
Our benchmarks will define our outcomes. If this benchmark of efficiency is grounded in exclusion, it will produce a pattern of governance which is skewed against the marginalised. If this benchmark of efficiency is grounded in equal access, our outcomes will reflect the commitment of the Constitution to produce a just social order.
Hence, while interpreting Article 335, it is necessary to liberate the concept of efficiency from a one sided approach which ignores the need for and the positive effects of the inclusion of diverse segments of society on the efficiency of administration of the Union or of a State. Establishing the position of the SCs and STs as worthy participants in affairs of governance is intrinsic to an equal citizenship. Equal citizenship recognises governance which is inclusive but also ensures that those segments of our society which have suffered a history of prejudice, discrimination and oppression have a real voice in governance. Since inclusion is inseparable from a well governed society, there is , in our view, no antithesis between maintaining the efficiency of administration and considering the claims of the SCs and STs to appointments to services and posts in connection with the affairs of the Union or of a State.”
“Administrative efficiency is an outcome of the actions taken by officials after they have been appointed or promoted and is not tied to the selection method itself. The argument that one selection method produces officials capable of taking better actions than a second method must be empirically proven based on an evaluation of the outcomes produced by officials selected through both methods.
Arguments that attack reservations on the grounds of efficiency equate merit with candidates who perform better than other candidates on seemingly “neutral” criteria, e.g. standardised examinations. Thus, candidates who score beyond a particular “cut-off point” are considered “meritorious” and others are “non-meritorious”. This is a distorted understanding of the function “merit” plays in society.
A “meritorious” candidate is not merely one who is “talented” or “successful” but also one whose appointment fulfils the constitutional goals of uplifting the members of the SCs and STs and ensuring a diverse and representative administration.”
Should be just have a Justice DY Chandrachud Fanclub here? So many of us have nerd-crush on him.
Agreeing totally about finding Gogoi disgusting. He had the audacity to actually justify all his wrongs. One shouldn't be surprised. About his accepting of RS seats being one of them. He wanted to work for Assam and Judiciary, but how? By sitting at home, following covid protocols at home and attending just 6 session because doctors advised him so. Okay!
Rashmirathi,THE_MECHANIC
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