Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain

The Civils Mains result has been declared. This thread is for sharing your grief , joy , mixed feelings - absolutely anything and everything.

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SergioRamos .

commented 3 year(s) ago

RYZENsaid
Guys, I want to share my story of failures. I will keep it short. I started preparation in 2014 and gave first attempt in 2015. I have given six attempts, cleared prelims every time, but couldn't clear mains once. In between I prepared for other exams such as RBI, NABARD, RAS, etc. But failed in them as well.
Being 29-year-old unemployed guy dependent on parent’s income, I always ask myself "what have I done to my life". I am being dejected, cursed and ridiculed by everyone in my family and friend circle. Only my parents have faith on me. But I have failed them as well.
I don't know whether you guys especially those with max attempts feel helplessness or not on yourself. Mujhe khud pe taras aata. I am exhausted by this exam. My shoulders feel heavy and weak. Every morning and night, I feel I cannot walk anymore. Sometimes, suicidal thoughts engulf me. I had even tried to commit suicide. But, the very thought of my parents stops me. I had understood that this exam is not only about knowledge, rather about your emotional intelligence as well. I genuinely feel, this is not an exam, rather a loop where majority of aspirants waste their productive year.
People say that you have prepared for upsc, you will excel in life even if you fail to clear. I rather doubt this same thought process. Nobody gives a damn, whether you prepared for UPSC or not. You are a failure, that’s it. You have to start the process for other exams from scratch. Even, if you go to private sector, they ask about age gap. You feel embarrassed when you report to your younger ones.
Some of you may not concede to above fact. But I know UPSC skills are relevant predominantly for coaching industry only.
I would sincerely urge the younger fellows that please don’t waste your productive age by exhausting all attempts. Discard the urge that “Abki baar to nikal jaayega”. If you have sincerely worked hard and still unable to clear. Mend your ways my dear friend. Probably, luck doesn’t favor you.
Currently, I am clueless and don’t know how to proceed. The constant failures have shattered my self-esteem and confidence. Pata nahi ab life kaha le jaayegi. I am with flow now…………………………

Accepting your failures requires great courage. You are a strong person. Thank you for sharing your experiences as these messages are necessary to remove the aura created around UPSC and help an individual to think rationally.
:)

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Hershey .

commented 3 year(s) ago

@majormiketango you can find model answers at gs score, they have given year wise and at Drishti ias platform, they have provided topic wise

Reticent,

majormiketango .

commented 3 year(s) ago

@Boltthan you

LetsGetThisBread .

commented 3 year(s) ago

Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.

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SergioRamos .

commented 3 year(s) ago

DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.

The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.

This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.

A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)

These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.

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skandagupta .

commented 3 year(s) ago

RYZENsaid
Guys, I want to share my story of failures. I will keep it short. I started preparation in 2014 and gave first attempt in 2015. I have given six attempts, cleared prelims every time, but couldn't clear mains once. In between I prepared for other exams such as RBI, NABARD, RAS, etc. But failed in them as well.
Being 29-year-old unemployed guy dependent on parent’s income, I always ask myself "what have I done to my life". I am being dejected, cursed and ridiculed by everyone in my family and friend circle. Only my parents have faith on me. But I have failed them as well.
I don't know whether you guys especially those with max attempts feel helplessness or not on yourself. Mujhe khud pe taras aata. I am exhausted by this exam. My shoulders feel heavy and weak. Every morning and night, I feel I cannot walk anymore. Sometimes, suicidal thoughts engulf me. I had even tried to commit suicide. But, the very thought of my parents stops me. I had understood that this exam is not only about knowledge, rather about your emotional intelligence as well. I genuinely feel, this is not an exam, rather a loop where majority of aspirants waste their productive year.
People say that you have prepared for upsc, you will excel in life even if you fail to clear. I rather doubt this same thought process. Nobody gives a damn, whether you prepared for UPSC or not. You are a failure, that’s it. You have to start the process for other exams from scratch. Even, if you go to private sector, they ask about age gap. You feel embarrassed when you report to your younger ones.
Some of you may not concede to above fact. But I know UPSC skills are relevant predominantly for coaching industry only.
I would sincerely urge the younger fellows that please don’t waste your productive age by exhausting all attempts. Discard the urge that “Abki baar to nikal jaayega”. If you have sincerely worked hard and still unable to clear. Mend your ways my dear friend. Probably, luck doesn’t favor you.
Currently, I am clueless and don’t know how to proceed. The constant failures have shattered my self-esteem and confidence. Pata nahi ab life kaha le jaayegi. I am with flow now…………………………

Leave this upsc hype or for that matter any govt job. For general category the percentage of selection is less than 0.1% in even a normal officer job let alone ones like UPSC or RBI. So you are not alone 99.9% will fail (basic supply-demand) . Focus on starting a business as most Indians are risk averse(fattu) and don't do it especially those from middle class. If possible find your areas of interest first, look for demand supply in that area and work on a business plan. If there's no demand, create it(but here innovation is required)! 29 is not too old. It is the perfect time to be an entrepreneur you have time till september-october when Covid starts weakening relatively because after that India is going to bounce back in terms of economy like no other and these 2 years of pain will be long forgotten by the working class nor will we have the time to look back. So do not waste your time, the time is right, sharpen your axe and go for the jugular!

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Duryodhan .

commented 3 year(s) ago

SergioRamossaid
DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.
This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.
A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)
These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.

Agree with the gender issue.

But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.

What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?

babu_bisleri,

PursuitofHappyness .

commented 3 year(s) ago

@Celeborn From 2013 onwards ,I think Mrunal has given detailed solution on mrunal.org (Not talking about his Disha book). He has mentioned sources and guess mastergiri for each question. Worth to glance once.

Jammu .

commented 3 year(s) ago

RYZENsaid
Guys, I want to share my story of failures. I will keep it short. I started preparation in 2014 and gave first attempt in 2015. I have given six attempts, cleared prelims every time, but couldn't clear mains once. In between I prepared for other exams such as RBI, NABARD, RAS, etc. But failed in them as well.
Being 29-year-old unemployed guy dependent on parent’s income, I always ask myself "what have I done to my life". I am being dejected, cursed and ridiculed by everyone in my family and friend circle. Only my parents have faith on me. But I have failed them as well.
I don't know whether you guys especially those with max attempts feel helplessness or not on yourself. Mujhe khud pe taras aata. I am exhausted by this exam. My shoulders feel heavy and weak. Every morning and night, I feel I cannot walk anymore. Sometimes, suicidal thoughts engulf me. I had even tried to commit suicide. But, the very thought of my parents stops me. I had understood that this exam is not only about knowledge, rather about your emotional intelligence as well. I genuinely feel, this is not an exam, rather a loop where majority of aspirants waste their productive year.
People say that you have prepared for upsc, you will excel in life even if you fail to clear. I rather doubt this same thought process. Nobody gives a damn, whether you prepared for UPSC or not. You are a failure, that’s it. You have to start the process for other exams from scratch. Even, if you go to private sector, they ask about age gap. You feel embarrassed when you report to your younger ones.
Some of you may not concede to above fact. But I know UPSC skills are relevant predominantly for coaching industry only.
I would sincerely urge the younger fellows that please don’t waste your productive age by exhausting all attempts. Discard the urge that “Abki baar to nikal jaayega”. If you have sincerely worked hard and still unable to clear. Mend your ways my dear friend. Probably, luck doesn’t favor you.
Currently, I am clueless and don’t know how to proceed. The constant failures have shattered my self-esteem and confidence. Pata nahi ab life kaha le jaayegi. I am with flow now…………………………

Bhai, you have priceless experience. Don’t let this struggle go in vain, channelise it, we are all with you : )

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LetsGetThisBread .

commented 3 year(s) ago

SergioRamossaid
DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.
This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.
A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)
These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.

Expected better from an indie media house (though given TVF’s viewership I don’t know if that is still an accurate title) especially since they do not need to pander to mass appeal like mainstream media has to do. If these platforms don’t showcase the subaltern narrative (flexing my woke-ese) who will, I wonder?

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skandagupta .

commented 3 year(s) ago

Witchersaid
@RYZEN Why not blame on your sky high aspirations and lust for a powerful job only, if I may say so? Two attempts are enough to prepare and if you can't then one should hunt for other job/career first and take a pause in attempts. This saves your career and later on you can re-appear after revisions. Anyway, you are never late. Empires had been decimated in past and they had rose again. Don't feel embarassed by what you have done. It's not a crime. Don't think of suicide. You will punish your parents, people who had trusted you. Instead take some counseling. Start with something new even if it is a small job/ business/profession. Money is never an issue. You can get loan upto Rs 2 lakhs in Mudra without ITRs. Keep ego aside if you have in case. Build network, file itrs and construct profile and then go for management from a good college after 3 years. Work on skills of data analytics especially. Your journey may look stagnant, may start slow but after 10 years you will be at wonderful position. I can tell you because I had been in worse position than you and this approach only has helped me move forward and successfully. Apologies if my words are harsh anywhere. I hope you have a great future.

Ha harsh words hai and I was in a similar boat 5 years ago so depression is real! But now doing relatively okay as self employed and having 2 employees also. Like modi said job seeker mat bano job provider bano. UPSC hua toh thik nahi hua to thik should be our approach especially if one is GC. This country's govt jobs and govt education is not for ones without quota only the creme dela creme of the GC make it. Unfortunately it took me 4 years to realise this fact on the brighter side the market is there for the taking with so many consumers. Just need a decent product/service which is competitive and has an edge. Job is very very difficult anyways with that gap, I struggled in 2016 when jobs were aplenty but in 2021 even the best graduates have no jobs and are running abroad so starting a business venture should be the default plan B here for every failed aspirant. As far as IT sector goes say goodbye to your job dream if your gap is more than 6 months so even 1 attempt in UPSC is gonna derail that considering the 2021 scenario and CoVID. But koi nahi businessman bano IAS YAS everyone is being paid by us only through the taxes we generate-GST/IT/CT. So for those having ego issues even after failure in CSE this is how you cope and it is based on a ground reality not societal perception. ATB.

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commented 3 year(s) ago

DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.

Agree 100%. That whole weird arc of Dhairya being exchanged between the two men to serve as another dimension of their childish fight... it was the cringiest part of a very cringy show. And the box with her name on it had a more complete emotional arc than Dhairya did in the last episode.

I really liked the part with Sandeep Bhaiyya in the last episode though. I was afraid they would portray Kusum as unfaithful for leaving him, but his character showed so much maturity and emotional intelligence in accepting the end of their relationship. Wish the show was just about their story instead of the whatsapp group leaving tantrums (LOL) of the "tripod". In a show trying so desperately to sound deep, the lines about the satellite and rocket were the only ones that stood out.

As@SergioRamos said, it's an outcome of the market in part. Women are constantly discussed as distractions and/or faithless golddiggers in so many prep circles. A lot of the incel crowd's takeaway from the Abhilash-Dhairya story seems to be "IAS bankar bhi end mein ladki nahi mili". I would love to see something about female aspirants who are just trying to achieve their dreams as normal people.

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Jammu .

commented 3 year(s) ago

DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.

Although, I agree with you on many fronts, but lets not bring the gender issue here.

Women are indeed give good roles.

Guri’s ex did make it to SPSC. Her confidence while confronting Abhilash’s negative approach is well appreciated.

Dhairya always had clarity of though. Unlike Abhilash, she read terms and conditions of fee back so well. She helped Abhilash get a new specs. She always had Plan B of going to rural areas and fight against drug abuse. She did it.

The landlady where Abhilash was staying, had more wisdom than her husband. She made him shift TV to next room.

Kusum kept waiting for Sandeep Bhaiya for years, honesty, loyalty, sacrifice is not just in everyone’s character.

Women are indeed shown in glorified manner. So what if not UPSC, their personaliy is shown way much better than Abhilash, Guri, Sandeep, SK combined. Sandeep, Abhilash were so much self centred. Men were the ones who realised their mistake at the end.

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commented 3 year(s) ago

Jammusaid
DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
Although, I agree with you on many fronts, but lets not bring the gender issue here.
Women are indeed give good roles.
Guri’s ex did make it to SPSC. Her confidence while confronting Abhilash’s negative approach is well appreciated.
Dhairya always had clarity of though. Unlike Abhilash, she read terms and conditions of fee back so well. She helped Abhilash get a new specs. She always had Plan B of going to rural areas and fight against drug abuse. She did it.
The landlady where Abhilash was staying, had more wisdom than her husband. She made him shift TV to next room.
Kusum kept waiting for Sandeep Bhaiya for years, honesty, loyalty, sacrifice is not just in everyone’s character.
Women are indeed shown in glorified manner. So what if not UPSC, their personaliy is shown way much better than Abhilash, Guri, Sandeep, SK combined. Sandeep, Abhilash were so much self centred. Men were the ones who realised their mistake at the end.

Agree with you. I only feel these glorified women should actually have been shown. Most of what we know about them (Dhairya's NGO story, Pragati and SPSC, Kusum entirely) is not seen on screen, it's shown only through discussions between the men. I want to actually see Dhairya kicking ass at her NGO instead of the continued childish fights of the guys. Better than glorifying their personalities is to just _show_ them as people!

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commented 3 year(s) ago

Duryodhansaid
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SergioRamossaid
DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.
This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.
A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)
These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?

Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??

Kaafi intellectual argument.

Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.

Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)

Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-

1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh

2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma

3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi

4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey

5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma

Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)

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Duryodhan .

commented 3 year(s) ago

SergioRamossaid
Duryodhansaid
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SergioRamossaid
DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.
This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.
A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)
These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)

Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-

1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh

2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma

3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi

4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey

5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma

Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)

🤣🤣. I am not talking about executive, judiciary or civil services.

Pure rights mile h aapko har Jagah compete krne ke. Ab apna frustration movies k caste p naa nikalo.

2-4 din baad indian cricket team m bhi reservation demand krne lagoge tum .

Regarding lack of knowledge part ,😂 abhi itne bade nahi hue ho tum ki decide krne lago ye sab. Pehle khud bhi ban jao kuch.

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commented 3 year(s) ago

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SergioRamossaid
DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.
This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.
A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)
These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?

after Apu controversy there was a lot of clamor about Indian representation in hollywood, but when someone asks the same in our own country the debate veers towards isme bhi quota chahiye. Why cant we have these debates in India? if not quota atleast some sort of mechanism to increase diversity of cast in movies should be definitely adopted. It's queer that dancing and such activities were looked down upon and reserved for lower castes , but when power of market was unleashed and these activities became remunerative the same space was appropriated by privileged caste groups

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commented 3 year(s) ago

SergioRamossaid
Duryodhansaid
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SergioRamossaid
DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.
This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.
A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)
These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
Me Bhi Kota fix ho Jaye??
Kaafi intellectual argument.
Anyway, when 20 per cent of the population is actively over-represented everywhere, from executive to Judiciary to cinema to literally anywhere, it is an important talking point. Even more so when some from that specific community feels they have done nothing wrong in the past and a sense of superiority based on the callous reason of birth.
Do some basic google, see the representation in literally every field and you will understand. So next time onwards, do not hide your lack of knowledge behind rhetoric ridicule instead and try to engage in a productive discussion. It is very easy to spew nonsense hiding behind a cloak of anonymity. :)

Now finally coming to Surname see problem kyu? Let me give you an example-

1) Permanent Roommates- Leads are Sumeet Vyas and Nidhi Singh

2)TV tripling- Leads are three siblings surname, Sharma

3) Panchayat- Lead Abhishek Tripathi

4) Kota Factory- Lead Vaibhav Pandey

5) Aspirants- Lead Abhilash Sharma

Similar examples can be given from literally any field of your choosing. So yeah Kota movies me fix karne ki zarurat nahi hai, 10-20% of the community has it fixed already. :)

Entertainment industry is purely based on talent and audience acceptance. I don't understand what made you invoke caste here.

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Duryodhan .

commented 3 year(s) ago

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DeekshitaPsaid
Been a silent trawler of this thread since it started. Sorry to backtrack the discussion a bit here but I just watched the last episode of Aspirants (yes I live under a rock) and can I just say it was underwhelming at best. Don’t get me wrong the characters are quite well-written, albeit highly dramatised. But where are the female aspirants??? Dhairya and Guri’s ex are the only two women shown in the entire series and we get absolutely nothing from them. They’re just plot devices to give more depth to the male characters. It’s not even as if a bit of character backstory would deviate from the storyline, given that Sandeep Bhaiyya is clearly a crowd favourite. Not trying to rant, but as a woman I felt that beyond the usual Laxmikant-Yojana jokes I couldn’t really relate.
The show is written by Males, for a male-dominated profession, and showcased on the internet that has way more male users than female.
This was bound to happen. These guys will rant about how females are just shown as a love interest in mainstream cinema, yet they did the same in Kota Factory and Aspirants.
A similar case can be made caste wise that how only certain surnames dominate every movie, tv series, Kota factory and aspirants are no different. :)
These are often rubbished as woke arguments because nobody wants to face the reality.
Agree with the gender issue.
But ab surname se bhi problem 🙄.
What next , movies m surnames ka bhi quota fix ho jaye ?
after Apu controversy there was a lot of clamor about Indian representation in hollywood, but when someone asks the same in our own country the debate veers towards isme bhi quota chahiye. Why cant we have these debates in India? if not quota atleast some sort of mechanism to increase diversity of cast in movies should be definitely adopted. It's queer that dancing and such activities were looked down upon and reserved for lower castes , but when power of market was unleashed and these activities became remunerative the same space was appropriated by privileged caste groups

Hollywood has no right to take high moral ground.They r just using that diversity to increase viewership in Africa and Asia.

Remember ,Irrfan ka 10 min role nd movie ko gazab publicity mil jaati thi India m.Real diversity hoti toh World war movies m Indian soldiers ka contribution dikhaya jata ,jo bahut significant tha.

Regarding bollywood, khans ,dilip Kumar, Madhubala ,Mithun Chakraborty ko itni importance nhi milti , bollywood m casteism or conservatism itna serius hota toh. Ab tum chahte ho ki tumhare uper hi movie banni chahiye toh kya hi kahen fir

whatonly .

commented 3 year(s) ago

The talent/merit thing, which is a whole other discussion, would be about the background of theactors. But when we are talking about representation, it's about thecharactersthat are created. There might be very successful examples of actors who come from non-UC backgrounds, but the caste and broader socio-cultural setup that gets portrayed in mainstream movies and shows is very very narrow.

(Of course diversity of actors and characters overlaps for other things like disability, trans representation, but can be separated in this case for caste)

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