Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain
The Civils Mains result has been declared. This thread is for sharing your grief , joy , mixed feelings - absolutely anything and everything.
12432TrivendrumRajdhani,
All discussions here regarding women & related issues + Malyalam movies = Great Indian Kitchen. It's a good watch.
I think it’s supremely underrated. It was a wonderful depiction of reality. I watched it with my Mom and Dad.
Many people, my Dad included, thought that the movie was highly repetitive because of the great number of scenes with women doing household chores. I thought that was the brilliance of it though. The monotony that the average Indian woman grapples with is so real.
Needless to say, the vocal feminists in the house (my Mom and I) made our displeasure known to Dad. :P
@Honest_Homo since you brought up the judiciary, the story of Justice Fathima Beevi, the first of those 8 women is very interesting and inspiring :)Also lawyer Saurabh Kirpal whose appointment as a judge has been blocked for a few years now - he would be the first openly gay judge in the India if confirmed.We at least have a few examples of transgender individuals in positions of some power and dignity. Lawyer Swati Bidhan Baruah from Assam is a very inspiring and powerful example.The women of the Constituent Assembly are endlessly awe-inspiring. This is Hansa Mehta presenting the Indian flag to the assembly on August 15th, 1947. Still gives me chills each time.Recently there was the story of the Madras HC judge who publicly said he wasn't aware enough of LGBTQ+ issues and that he would learn more about it. That really stood out to me, because it's so rare to see that kind of humility and sensitivity, even if it's only a start.Just wanted to mention some examples that we can use to help ourselves feel hopeful. :)
I remember watching this video for the first time and it filled me with a very strange feeling. One can gauge the sense of pride in Hansa Mehta's voice. On a personal note, my grandparents narrate it to me that when Pak tribesmen and army attacked J&K in October 1947, there were numerous women brigades that took charge and acted as a line of defence for their families and villages. I know of a few stories that have always awe inspired me. Ordinary lives have the most extraordinary stories. Speaking from purely law perspective, it's high time India gets a woman CJI, it's high time gender shackles irrespective of orientation get broken not only in judiciary but every organ of govt and life, it's high time amendments are made to recognise marital and men rape a crime under IPC and the list continues. We've come far from where we began. We have a long way to go, still.
@12432TrivendrumRajdhani How aptly put with a unique sense of balance in opinion which is rare to find. Thank you!
To my mind, any idea, belief, system or institution that one holds dear or sacred must be put to individual tests or public scrutiny in due time for all of us to evolve. Nothing above individual liberty!
Obc,SCs nd STs are also selected on the basis of merit. They compete with each other in their quota. So according to u ,that system is also unfair.
Then what r the solutions, randomly selecting anyone or giving preference to those who r at the bottom of merit list. Imagine,in the sc merit list , candidate who score the least marks is given preference, would that be fare? How would the sc candidates who have scored more will feel?
Again, as someone summed it up correctly,fair mix of merit nd affirmative action is required nd that is being followed as well . 60% reservation affirmative action,open 40% for merit. But the success of system has to be judged not just by its intentions but also by its consequences. This is why, rationalization of reservation system is required.
Dude, any system which confines merit to the unidimensional concept of marks is going to be unfair.
Now, coming to solutions, I suggest-
- A 360°report card for hiring rather than relying solely on marks scored in a single exam.
- A broad based definition of meritocracy which promotes equity. Focus should be on "compassionate meritocracy" and "bottom-up meritocracy"
- Curriculum which focuses more on inclusivity, social justice and human rights.
- Strengthening our education system and human capital, so that more and more people get equality of opportunity.
- Nordic education system offers a really good example of an inclusive education system.
Lastly, I did not intend to imply that there are no faults in reservation policy system in India, it more often than not falls prey to populist demands. There's a need to audit the existing reservation system. Any measure which makes the benefits more targeted needs to be encouraged.
@Honest_Homo since you brought up the judiciary, the story of Justice Fathima Beevi, the first of those 8 women is very interesting and inspiring :)Also lawyer Saurabh Kirpal whose appointment as a judge has been blocked for a few years now - he would be the first openly gay judge in the India if confirmed.We at least have a few examples of transgender individuals in positions of some power and dignity. Lawyer Swati Bidhan Baruah from Assam is a very inspiring and powerful example.The women of the Constituent Assembly, 15 among 299, are endlessly awe-inspiring. This is Hansa Mehta presenting the Indian flag to the assembly on August 15th, 1947. Still gives me chills each time.Dakshayani Velayudhan was the lone Dalit woman in the Constituent Assembly. Her story, as much of it as I found online, is nothing short of amazing.Recently there was the story of the Madras HC judge who publicly said he wasn't aware enough of LGBTQ+ issues and that he would learn more about it. That really stood out to me, because it's so rare to see that kind of humility and sensitivity, even if it's only a start.Just wanted to mention some examples that we can use to help ourselves feel hopeful. :)
Also, Menaka Guruswamy and Arundhati Katju – A couple who
fought hard to get Section 377 of IPC repealed (Yes, the same lawyers who gets
credit for bringing the landmark judgment of Navtej Singh Johar v. UOI.)
Just look at this beautiful address made by them at Oxford Union,
to understand their full journey.
Just_relentless,
Is it only me or does the NITI Aayog's plan for the Great Nicobar Island appears really ill thought ? For one, it's going to practically destroy the ecology of a very sensitive region. Second, earthquakes and tsunamis ! Third, indigenous communities like Shompen and Nicobarese who are already prone to changes in the environment will be further threatened. Wildlife - leatherback turtle etc, other plant and animal species of the tropical evergreen forests.
And more importantly, it makes ZERO economic sense. If they're developing it into a port, Singapore is just nearby so why would any ship spend huge amounts in docking at a minor port in Nicobar ? No nearby markets, industries etc that other ports can't cater to. So at best, it is going to be a regular functioning port drawing taxpayer's money and never the grand invention it is being projected to be.
Just my opinion, will be thankful if someone can share theirs. Wish to understand the logic behind the plan.
Okay, this is nothing pertaining to the ongoing discussion. I just felt sharing it here, as I feel much more safer here vis a vis any other platform.
I was reading about 15th Finance Commission (FC), when this thread was witnessing it's peak on gender discussion. While revising the FC's ToR, recommendations, constitutional provisions etc (you know, the usual stuff), I realised something interesting.
I dunno how and why, but my mind automatically posed me a question: why there are no women member in 15th FC?
The feminist in me could not resist the temptation of digging more on this. And I am extremely proud while I say this being a man myself. Having constantly been involved with women's issues of various manifestations, both in my personal and professional capacity, I might be tad bit more attuned to the problems women face both generally and in specific situations.
I started my research, and here is the conclusion- It was disheartening to obs that only one women (Smt Sushma Nath 14FC), SINCE 1947, was found worthy to find a place at FC, despite India producing a galaxy of stalwart women economists and public finance experts.
Why I am writing this? What's the purpose of retreating this fact? The answer is simple- Glass ceiling hurts. Everyone.
It's because of these reasons, the question of marginalization should never be absent from our radars. Specially when we all are eying for positions of power in society.
I understand that not everybody feels comfortable with loaded terms like feminism, especially because it is grossly misunderstood, but I believe all men and women should have at least a basic and sympathetic comprehension of women's issues if we are to progress as a society. I hope all of us can consciously give it a thought, without preconceived prejudices and with well-informed outlook.
Let me share with you all something really personal. Everyone has that one single spark, which propels one to really work hard for this exam. Everyone is driven by that one incentive, which serves as a reminder to bounce back from your low points. For me, the main aim for sitting for civils is exactly this. Of all the marginalities, issues faced by women is something very close to me. I don't want that every other girl in my village faces the same fate, pertaining to hinderance in her higher studies, which was faced by my sister. I don't want to see the discrimination, I know someone who faced, when all the resources in her household was readily spent on his brother's convent english education, while she was forced to study in a resource less sarkaari school, despite she toping every exam she wrote. I don't want to see a similar fate of my friend, who was married off to a stranger, against her wishes, while she was at peak of her studies. I don't want that a girl faces restrictions, which I know someone faced, when she was all set to represent her school at the state level, just because "her periods clashed with the tournament" and those blood stains stained her career forever. I don't want a similar fate, which a close relative of mine faced, WHEN SHE WAS BURNT ALIVE, opposing the dowry in her in-laws house. I still remember those scenes, when that police officer shooed us away when we went to register that FIR. I don't want that any other working women faces glass ceiling (that's why that particular episode of Yes Minister is my fav) that a very close friend of mine is facing while she works in a corporate job. I don't want that my teenager sister frantically calling me and crying coz a leech harrassed her online. I don't want that men demand "nude picks" and send "dick picks" the moment they loose civility online. Ask someone who has faced all this trauma because men . occupies such spaces. I don't want that the she is married at the gun point of dowry. I don't want that she faces harrassment while traveling in public transport (remembering how once in one of these forum thread, someone has to actually come forward and explain why first compartment in delhi metro is actually reserved). I don't want to see how some of the brightest of women i have met, is struggling emotionally AND PHYSICALLY to a toxic marriage. You know why our labour participation is low? Coz she is busy serving her husband, cleaning, washing, and care giving activities, while men invisibles her work. I don't want to see any girl.....the list is endless. But the issues are not.
Sorry for writing this long post. I dunno if this will contribute anything to the discussions, but I felt writing it. Have poured my fear and apprehensions. And this is why having such discussions are important. Be it a tvf series, or be it a real life series.
Patriarchy hurts. Everyone.
Thankyou for writing this. :-)
12432TrivendrumRajdhani,
Is it only me or does the NITI Aayog's plan for the Great Nicobar Island appears really ill thought ? For one, it's going to practically destroy the ecology of a very sensitive region. Second, earthquakes and tsunamis ! Third, indigenous communities like Shompen and Nicobarese who are already prone to changes in the environment will be further threatened. Wildlife - leatherback turtle etc, other plant and animal species of the tropical evergreen forests.
And more importantly, it makes ZERO economic sense. If they're developing it into a port, Singapore is just nearby so why would any ship spend huge amounts in docking at a minor port in Nicobar ? No nearby markets, industries etc that other ports can't cater to. So at best, it is going to be a regular functioning port drawing taxpayer's money and never the grand invention it is being projected to be.
Just my opinion, will be thankful if someone can share theirs. Wish to understand the logic behind the plan.
The Hindu article dated 20 March. Bookmark karna tab kaam aa gaya. :P
It has some good points-------
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Delhi-May-12-2021.pdf
Infinitybeyondinfinity,mehuifs
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