So a young man commits suicide. Someone like us, or maybe one of us after a few years. DCE - one of the top colleges, some pretty good films in his kitty and yet it all comes down to hanging oneself. How many of you are personally affected by it?
I was so depressed after reading the news that I went in my shell ever since the news broke out. Came on forum and saw no mention of the great man!
I had heard about him through common friends . About a decade back, he had gotten some modelling assignments and I had a friend who was good friends with him at DCE. She was like all the time updating me about him- He has gotten a modelling assignment, he has got a flim and so on, he is not completing college, he was talking about preparing for UPSC , but went to do Cinema instead and blah blah.
I only watched his last movie Chhichhore and kinda liked it. And then this happened. I won't deny that it did blow my mind for last two nights. He represented hope for a lot of people who are trying to do unconventional things, and this comes as a huge setback to anyone is his age group / generation trying new things.
I never saw it that way , but now I do see that he was systematically discriminated against in the industry for being an outsider. Its painful. Its everyone's loss.
I am no knight. Do not call me Sir|Philosophy behind ForumIAS
Same.
Feeling of numbness, a longing.
I think it is just human nature to truly appreciate someone only when they are no more.
He was somehow relatable, maybe because he was an engineer, maybe because he portrayed wholesome life like roles and seemed genuine outside.
Another stark reminder of our own mortality.
Hope he finds peace.
And us in his absence.
Same.
Feeling of numbness, a longing.
I think it is just human nature to truly appreciate someone only when they are no more.
He was somehow relatable, maybe because he was an engineer, maybe because he portrayed wholesome life like roles and seemed genuine outside.
Another stark reminder of our own mortality.
Hope he finds peace.
And us in his absence.
:(
I am no knight. Do not call me Sir|Philosophy behind ForumIAS
I’m just a silent observer but couldn’t resist logging in after seeing this thread ....
Yes it is deeply saddening to see Sushant commit suicide , not because he was a great actor or from a top college but because he was a human being whose life became so hopeless that he found peace in death and none of his friends truly reached out to him , no one saw the signs of suicidal behaviour in him ....
Suicide isn’t an impulsive decision , there are signs of suicidal behaviour which can easily be recognised by people around ...
People truly impacted by his suicide?
May be not many because people will continue to ignore the signs... people will continue to judge each other on hollow parameters of success... people will continue to be too busy to listen to anyone’s cry for help ...
So insensitive of you to say that may b a few years later anyone of us could do this ... if you think that there is a possibility of aspirants committing suicide then you should’ve created something more humane .... talk about life being more precious than any success/failure or glamorising civil services and glorification of rank holders needs to stop ... if there’s anything that deserves glorification is the work done by them ... how about that ?
I’m just a silent observer but couldn’t resist logging in after seeing this thread ....
Yes it is deeply saddening to see Sushant commit suicide , not because he was a great actor or from a top college but because he was a human being whose life became so hopeless that he found peace in death and none of his friends truly reached out to him , no one saw the signs of suicidal behaviour in him ....
Suicide isn’t an impulsive decision , there are signs of suicidal behaviour which can easily be recognised by people around ...
People truly impacted by his suicide?
May be not many because people will continue to ignore the signs... people will continue to judge each other on hollow parameters of success... people will continue to be too busy to listen to anyone’s cry for help ...
So insensitive of you to say that may b a few years later anyone of us could do this ... if you think that there is a possibility of aspirants committing suicide then you should’ve created something more humane .... talk about life being more precious than any success/failure or glamorising civil services and glorification of rank holders needs to stop ... if there’s anything that deserves glorification is the work done by them ... how about that ?
On your last paragraph, few counter points
1. Self awareness is the first step to any recovery/remedy. Being aware that upsc aspirants often find themselves in hard times and alone (often linked to potential causes of depression and suicide) shouldn’t be insensitive. In fact it’s the right first step towards addressing that there is a potential issue in the entire scheme of things.
2. The reason civil service is glamourised is mainly because what it offers is unmatched, and it checks a lot of boxes for people in choosing a career option.
3. About glorying rank holders :-
A. It is in severe decline
B. Very momentary , say 1-2 months
C. Because demand supply mismatch exists, the achievements of rank holders are very justifiably amplified.
4. Now I don’t see how stopping the ‘glorification’ and ‘glamourising’ will help an individual tackle any distressing situation in his quest to be a civil servant
5. I agree with your point that we must publicise- be more aware- and celebrate the good work of civil servants.
@rashiv The ‘glorification’ and ‘glamourising’ isn't something someone can choose, isn't it? We don't become glorious or glamorous unless the society gives us that stamp. Something that society can't take away either.
@rashiv The ‘glorification’ and ‘glamourising’ isn't something someone can choose, isn't it? We don't become glorious or glamorous unless the society gives us that stamp. Something that society can't take away either.
We are very much the part of same society . How many people genuinely want to clear this exam because they are moved by the idea of public service ? Not many ...
Either people want to prove somebody wrong or right , or want to marry someone of their choice or may be they have been so attention starved all their lives that they want to live their lives to show everyone how cool they are .
Everyone who solely prepares to prove anything to anyone else is , in a way glorifying the service... They fuel the mentality that everyone except for an IAS officer is a loser . And in turn inciting failed aspirants to commit suicide ...
So many toppers do nothing but post pictures on social media and create self glorifying YouTube vids ... I wonder how you didn’t come across any of it by now . That’s how this service is glorified... and this is what incites aspirants to commit suicide.
I’ve seen so many people on previous platform suffering emotionally , on the verge of committing suicide and guess how many self proclaimed “mahaan log” reached out to them and tried to help them ? None .. absolutely no one except for fellow empathetic aspirants ....
Empthay for most people is limited to GS4 only ...
People working in the service are equally responsible for creating this environment except for people who created initiatives like humans of LBSNAA .
Kindly dont drag this further .... I don’t want to get into this debate ...
@rashiv The ‘glorification’ and ‘glamourising’ isn't something someone can choose, isn't it? We don't become glorious or glamorous unless the society gives us that stamp. Something that society can't take away either.
Absolutely. Glamourising and glorifying is something which happens outside our individual control, and that’s why I don’t think it’s an effective area of focus on topics like depression and suicide. The area of focus should be on self->what can be done as an individual. And in this light, I agree with what somebody pointed above, being civil with others is a good step.
Branching off slightly from your comment, I also feel the following should be good starting point for aspirants in making their journey less arduous :-
A. Having family support and frank communication with atleast one family member
B. If the above cannot happen, have a good social support in form of genuine friend/friends
C. If the above cannot happen, turn to god(or any form of spirituality). This step really helps in many ways.
@rashiv The ‘glorification’ and ‘glamourising’ isn't something someone can choose, isn't it? We don't become glorious or glamorous unless the society gives us that stamp. Something that society can't take away either.
We are very much the part of same society . How many people genuinely want to clear this exam because they are moved by the idea of public service ? Not many ...
Either people want to prove somebody wrong or right , or want to marry someone of their choice or may be they have been so attention starved all their lives that they want to live their lives to show everyone how cool they are .
Everyone who solely prepares to prove anything to anyone else is , in a way glorifying the service... They fuel the mentality that everyone except for an IAS officer is a loser . And in turn inciting failed aspirants to commit suicide ...
So many toppers do nothing but post pictures on social media and create self glorifying YouTube vids ... I wonder how you didn’t come across any of it by now . That’s how this service is glorified... and this is what incites aspirants to commit suicide.
I’ve seen so many people on previous platform suffering emotionally , on the verge of committing suicide and guess how many self proclaimed “mahaan log” reached out to them and tried to help them ? None .. absolutely no one except for fellow empathetic aspirants ....
Empthay for most people is limited to GS4 only ...
People working in the service are equally responsible for creating this environment except for people who created initiatives like humans of LBSNAA .
Kindly dont drag this further .... I don’t want to get into this debate ...
Your line of thought and display name have such ironical distinction. :)
@rashiv The ‘glorification’ and ‘glamourising’ isn't something someone can choose, isn't it? We don't become glorious or glamorous unless the society gives us that stamp. Something that society can't take away either.
We are very much the part of same society . How many people genuinely want to clear this exam because they are moved by the idea of public service ? Not many ...
Either people want to prove somebody wrong or right , or want to marry someone of their choice or may be they have been so attention starved all their lives that they want to live their lives to show everyone how cool they are .
Everyone who solely prepares to prove anything to anyone else is , in a way glorifying the service... They fuel the mentality that everyone except for an IAS officer is a loser . And in turn inciting failed aspirants to commit suicide ...
So many toppers do nothing but post pictures on social media and create self glorifying YouTube vids ... I wonder how you didn’t come across any of it by now . That’s how this service is glorified... and this is what incites aspirants to commit suicide.
I’ve seen so many people on previous platform suffering emotionally , on the verge of committing suicide and guess how many self proclaimed “mahaan log” reached out to them and tried to help them ? None .. absolutely no one except for fellow empathetic aspirants ....
Empthay for most people is limited to GS4 only ...
People working in the service are equally responsible for creating this environment except for people who created initiatives like humans of LBSNAA .
Kindly dont drag this further .... I don’t want to get into this debate ...
Your line of thought and display name have such ironical distinction. :)
Thanks ♥️.
you must be an offline student of the institute and a newbie . Just a guess .