Mains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread
Now that 1 week is over, it is time to shift focus to Mains. With barely 103 days left there is no time to waste.
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PM Modi must be the most vilified prime minister in the history of our country. Portraying him as India's Hitler and what not.
How strong our democracy is, has come to be measured by how virulent the dissent is, more apt if it comes out of JNU. But an important measure of democracy has to be the capacity to accept the outcome of elections when anyone opposed to you wins. The anti-BJP parties and allied hucksters would not concede that. They are day-in day-out demanding azadi. But haven't they heard yet that freedom is a state of mind hah...
The government is ever in protest-dousing mode as the protesters have made protests as part of their daily routine. So that they protest against nationwide-NRC which is not in place yet, and against CAA which is discriminatory becauseaisa lag toh rha hai
@visionmancompletely agree with you friend. These discussions don't help anyone in any capacity. Unfortunately Delhi based media tends to overemphasize on issues in the city.
Many of my friends say that reading news makes them feel depressed. I told the same to them that be aware but don't get too indulged in political happenings. Avoiding social media is the best way to do that.
@ManchesterUnitedbecause people have political aspirations in those places. Delhi being capital also leads to that.
I don't oppose student politics but it's become way too much in these institutions. That's really unnecessary and harmful.
@Phooooosaid inMains 2019 Preparation and Discussion Thread:
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@kochikaamejust as we were discussing I read the points being made by this gentleman
@Phooooosome thoughts from my side :
PM Modi most vilified ? Indira Gandhi has been several times potrayed as Hitler ( and for good reasons) there is an entire army of trolls on whatsapp and twitter who can go to lengths to call JN Nehru all sorts of names .
Democracy is rule by consensus strength of democracy should be measured by how well majority and minority were able to have overal and understanding , how well government is able to tag the minorities along with it
Protests are not new , people (student ) protested in 1975 starting JP movement ( eventually establishing morarji desai govt with Jan sangh a key participant ) 2011 people were on streets for IAC . Delhi police was heavily criticised for brutality against Baba Ramdev
Changing narratives to suit ones ideology , calling same entity as divine and helpful when things are flowing in your way and as demons when things are not. Honestly why we should we even debate and fight for these political parties (and loose our peace of mind) - change the time period and one can notice same behaviour by the other when they were in power
If at all you want to do something qualify this exam become civil servant try to make things right
@PhoooooI am not really a fan of Modi but these people have taken their hate to the next level. They have a monopoly over India related news in international newspapers and you'll be shocked knowing what all they write. They call him a Hindu Talibani, fascist etc all the time.
If you ever feel like seeing peak toxicity of left wingers, download Reddit and visit r/India. You'll end up smashing your phone in frustration seeing the viewpoints of people there. They literally want economy to slowdown so that Modi loses.
For about 200 vacancies separate exam and ~120 would be generalists 80 would be engineering
what do you guys think?
@Kira0705Hi, if at any time you feel that my words are pungent, know that I would have spoken them in a very soft manner. Now,
About vilification: please recognize the spirit of my statement. I was not comparing. You are reducing my argument to absurdity by doing so. I said 'MUST BE the most vilified' which is a way to tell that it is a supposition which seems to be true. And by your comparison, it is still not evident that Modi is not the most vilified. You are just saying that others too have been vilified, but who is the most vilified? Too much nitpicking for my taste.
Portraying Indira Gandhi as Hitler can never have good reasons. With all that she did, she was not Hitler even by far stretch. Portraying her so only exposes the imaginative bankruptcy of her critics.
Yes there should be consensus, but it cannot be obtained if there isn't. And if there is no consensus, should the country be on standstill till the time that we arrive at a consensus? That is why laws are passed by majority and not through consensus. Consensus is almost impossible to attain.
On the one hand, people say dissent is the touchstone of democracy. And on the same hand, they say there should be consensus in democracy huh...
The safeguard of rights of minorities is really an indicator of the strength of secularism. But it also is the responsibility of minorities not to be swayed by the mendacious propaganda by opportunists. The opportunists who quote Sachar Committee only to portray Muslims as victims, but not doing anything to improve their lot. In fact, to let them be 'in gutter if they want to be' (Arif Mohammad Khan)
Yes protests are not new, but protest against imaginary acts, and against acts which the protesters haven't even taken the pain to read about, are surely a novelty.
@kochikaameIf you observe election results of Karnataka historically,here elections are usually decided on local issues.
When Indira lost out everywhere post emergency she was given the highest number of MPs and she chose KA to come back to power too because back then INC had a very good leaders and support base was loyal!
But for the first time Karnataka went with national trend by giving 25/28 seats mandate to BJP and large part of it is to ascribed to the fact that elections were fought as modi vs the rest this time!
Even I was unsure about modi in 2018 but seeing the narrative of his opposition demeaning the whole country just for the hatred of one man,my political priorities took a U turn!
Leftists praising Tamil Nadu and Kerala as real Indian states for not giving mandate to BJP was top class cringe!
@Phooooohey man thanks for your well made out reasoning and justification , sorry if you felt I wrote in offending tone , never meant it , all I wanted to say is its all cyclical ,a side in power always does things which they should not do , why then we should become emotional by taking side of one against another (not commenting about you , but people in general ) ) .
Some thoughts :
- I was not trying to reduce your statement to absurdity , I was saying that the leader of our country always has been criticised ( by some groups ) , its nothing new and why to bother even if some people do vilify ? I dont think we can measure vilification and say on a scale of 0 to Mr modi how much are you vilified ?
- Well she did impose emergency , amended constitution at her will and showed several traits of authoritarianism
- it is through dissent and voicing opinions that consensus can be made , without dissent how would we know what different sections are demanding
- true and agree development should not be always sacrificed at the altar of consensus but it doesn't mean that we should not try to arrive at one , all attempts must be made to arrive at most agreeable solution . 100% agreement is not possible to obtain consensus could still be obtained
- Again true but I never said anything about minorities , and how can minorities ensure they are not getting swayed by "mendacious" propaganda - honest ,free press ( which again is an issue now a days)
- dont agree maybe you and I are not finding anything in the act worth protesting for but there are people who are facing discontent and we should hear them out , convince them and if not make changes accordingly .
Anyhow by debating here about these things I am biting my own tail and not practicing what I am preaching . Thanks for great points though
@majormiketangotelegram group se koi khabar?
@ManchesterUnitedi used to think on same lines. But what i feel is most of our exposure is limited to medical and engineering colleges, where majority of the students are more inclined towards shaping individual careers. Students are less politically motivated and there is general aversion towards politics. To be honest, i got to know about these ideologies and ideological differences during UPSC. There is a rat race in normal colleges , where individual worth is identified by his pay package , admission into elite university for masters, CAT, GATE, NEET , a start up or UPSC.
Institutions like JNU are hot beds of ideological warfare, political activity, student politics etc. People here use campuses as launch pad for their future political careers. Oftentimes, i feel the foot soldiers i.e students behind the famous "student leaders" end up no where with no life and career.
To be frank, I am bit confused whether students should pursue political activites or focus on individual careers.
But one thing i feel is change do come from universities. Best example from my own region is , intense political activity of students of Osmania University of hyderabad result in fulfillment of dream of seperate Telangana state , where as less politicized universites like Andhra University in Andhra Pradesh failed to put up an appreciable resistance to an unscientific and haphazard partition, the results which the state is going to experience for long time to come.
@ManchesterUnited
"Leftists praising Tamil Nadu and Kerala as real Indian states for not giving mandate to BJP was top class cringe!"
Absolutely true. Most cringy thing I've heard in some time. They also brought in literacy somehow.
@kochikaameby the way your statement itself shows political leaning.
Right wing also spread toxicity....see so called big news channels.
Even many of us (IAS aspirant) fall in logic of these media channels-->One of my friend said that government has majority and hence they have right to enact any law...and everyone must respect law passed by the parliament because Parliament is supreme and by opposing the law these protesters opposing the parliament and doing anti national thing.(same logic is given by mainstream media)
But we know that in India constitution is supreme and not the parliament...
@abhishek_p
The Parliament derives its authority from the Constitution. Most of its powers, functions (including amendment) are contained in the Constitution itself.
Furthermore, the ‘basic structure’ doctrine ensures that some parts can never be amended, making the Constitution sacro sanct.
In this context, it would be incorrect to state that the Parliament is superior to the Constitution as that would basically mean that the Legislature is also superior to the Courts as well as the executive.
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