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[Official] OBC certificate for DAF - Eligibility, DAF Filling, Creamy Layer, NCL, Things to keep in Mind

Plz discuss all your issues for OBC certificate here.

My certificate is post 3 march 2020.. however my state format one is before that date. Plz suggest what to do.. or share your experience.


Note : This is being made the official thread for OBC certificate related issues.

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@Mauryan u must take new one with correct spelling. For now u may attach it with the DAF but u should be ready with the correct one to submit when UPSC ask you.


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Hi 

I am state govt employee and joined as gazetted officer (class 2 )in MP .

But i am OBC and my father retired from his job as class 3 employee fulfiling the criterian of non creamy layer obc certificate.

Am I able to get age relaxation or concession of obc on creamy layer status .


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Hi 

I am state govt employee and joined as gazetted officer (class 2 )in MP .

But i am OBC and my father retired from his job as class 3 employee fulfiling the criterian of non creamy layer obc certificate.

Am I able to get age relaxation or concession of obc on creamy layer status .


Yes, you are. It's your parents' income and status that are taken into account and not yours for non-creamy layer criteria.

Further, the salary and pension of parents belonging to Class 4, 3, 2, and promoted Class 1 officers after the age of 40 are not taken into account while calculating annual income for non-creamy layer criteria.

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There is a spelling mistake in my mother's name in my 10 certificate. Only a letter difference. I have filled according to 10th certificate.Will that be a problem during document verification? please reply
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NC OBC for PSU employee

My community fall into the category of OBC central list. My father joined Food cooperation of India as Grade C employee but later promoted to grade A officer after 40 years, just few years before his retirement. Am I eligible for OBC- reservation?

ssver2,
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My dad is a government employee - a teacher. Can I get the reservation as stated for OBC candidates? 
ssver2,
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query related to OBC criteria for NCL..... 

There is clause that class C government employees can fall under Non creamy layer even if they have salary more than prescribed limit. 

Does any selected candidate face any issue??? 
ssver2,
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https://m.timesofindia.com/india/government-contradicts-self-on-obc-creamy-layer/amp_articleshow/72930771.cms
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PSU and government employees are treated differently when it comes to including salary or not. Some candidates have been denied service in the past because their parents were in PSU and hence, wealth test was applied on them based on salary.
ssver2,
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PSU and government employees are treated differently when it comes to including salary or not. Some candidates have been denied service in the past because their parents were in PSU and hence, wealth test was applied on them based on salary.

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Nearly ever year. At least I know of it since 2009. The government has not done the grading in PSUs and after getting the NCL certificate from HoD in PSU, govt has come up with its own findings and denied NCL benefits.


However, in that case you are treated as a general candidate , and not debarred from misrepresentation of facts or anything.

ssver2,
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tl; dr : yes people face issues, but risk can be taken

Entire legal soup:

So original notification said that in applying income test: "Income from salaries and agriculture operations will not be clubbed with any other sources of income."

To me, it simply means that you don't add salary with other sources to claim that prescribed limit is crossed (8 lacs). Eg 6 lac salary, 3 lac share dividend

But some secy in 2004 interpreted it to mean that you don't count salary at all. Cool.
But weirdly, he also concluded that you count same wrt PSUs etc. Without recording any reason for this differential treatment. (I read somewhere that probably it is so since PSU offers a lot of perks, so cant equate them with ordinary govt employees.  imho, this is not sound legal reasoning)

Now there exist some CAT & HC decisions where they apparently invalidated this distinction. (But still you'd face issues, b/c even SC rulings don't settle stuff in practice, eg s. 66A IT Act FIRs :D)
Moreover there also exist contradictory decisions where they uphold my interpretation of "clubbing" to count salary. All these cases related to PSUs, but I fear similar reasoning can be extended to ordinary employees. In practice, ordinary employees' kids don't face such issues, since, govt only messes up with PSU cases (as per its differential interpretation).

So there exist layers of legal inconsistencies in this area. Ideally, SC should have settled these issues at least a decade ago, but it remains too busy playing an attention seeking bureaucrat (PILs, daily commentary and all that jazz), while EWS case, 50% limit, OBC cut off getting higher than general in some PCS exams etc are pending for years.
Similarly, PSUs etc should have got relevant grading. Income test for them was an adhoc mechanism, after all.

But reservation is a political game. It pays to keep it an ad-hoc mechanism, to play ping pong with electoral promises and judicial review. I think I'll see OBC reservations' phasing out, and sub-categorization exercises making creamy layer concept irrelevant, before SC gives any final word on the aforesaid issues.

This order will answer most questions on the law as it exists now (though some of it may not make sense)
https://documents.doptcirculars.nic.in/D2/D02adm/36033_5_2004-Estt.Res-14102004B.pdf

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All relevant orders in this regard

https://doptcirculars.nic.in/Default.aspx?URL=c1SoiFnAQNeH%20

Neyawn,
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@Neyawn sir, i am obc (ncl) but my father's "Salaried" income is greater than 8 lac, am I eligible for obc reservation?

P.S:- my Father is not in PSU or any group A/B service.

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I am facing issues travelling to my hometown and don't want my 70+ aged parents to go to the govt offices (corona et al). I have already applied using last years certificate dated 4th Feb 2020. Trying to travel and arrange new certificate before last date as well. 

I had read in many posts that OBC certificates are valid for three years and that many people have applied using old certificate and only had to submit a new certificate before the interview. But since this year's notification specifically asks for certificate based on FY 2019-20 I am worried that my candidature might get cancelled. Anyone else facing similar issues? Has anyone applied for CSE 2021 using last year's or older certificate?

Thanks in advance.

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@valkyrie I have applied using my 2019 certificate. Don't worry, upsc will give you time to submit the latest certificate before interview. Candidature is not suspended in the prelim stage just on the basis of old certificate.


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@valkyrie ncl is usually valid only for one financial year. So technically you have to obtain a new one after March every year. Even if Upsc is asking for ncl details of current year, you can apply with old one and during document verification at the time of mains DAF/ interview stage submit the latest one.


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@valkyrie yes applied using obc ncl dated 07-03-2020. Called UPSC helpdesk, they said it's perfectly fine


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@Sk123 I've OBC NCL certificate of 2008, can I apply with that considering the time constraints - and get new one later?


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If one has the obc ncl certificate ...the form asks for authority name below the certificate..so should be write the name of the person or his position?
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Anybody...Plz clarify - : My OBC NCL certificate is of 2008 & as per UPSC notification I need to submit the recent one made with the income of last 3 F.Y.s (also,which is made before closing date of application).

I've visited my district collectorate office for recent certificate issue,perhaps will not be able to get the desired certificate before the closing date of the application due to operator strike in my area after trying out hard. 

Sir, What do I need to do in such case, can I apply with old certificate that I'm having and get the new one as soon as possible? 

Please let me know sir as I'm quite concerned regarding the same.
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