Mission Mains 2021: GS 4 Ethics Discussion
This is for those of you who are planning to write Mains 2020. Primarily, the agenda of this thread would be
1. Answer Writing Practice
2. Sharing examples - anecdotes from Current affairs relevant for GS4 Answer writing
3. Any doubts wrt. Paper 4!
Feel free to pool in your suggestions!
» show previous quotes» show previous quotesArre arre Nobody reads it but literacy among muslims is so high that everyone of them starts reading quaran the very day they are born 😆 Btw I don't see the point of bringing Qur'an as a response to hate speeches. Are you really trying to justify those religious bigots. If yes then you don't merit my time . There are certain things over which the society must have a consensus, condemning calls for genocide is one of them. There can be no if or buts here. That guy is in judicial custody if you think he didn't do anything wrong I suggest you go sit on a Gandhian satyagraha and insist for truth 😆😆
Agar Hinduism ka kuch criticism karte kuch quotes chahiye ho toh check out Ambedkar's full work available at MEA website. There he has evaluated how Hinduism performs on metric of liberty , equalit, fraternityy and justice.
Ambedkar had also evaluated Islam and explained in detail why he chose Buddhism over Islam. But you don't need Ambedkar or anyone else to evaluate Islam. 1.4 lakh people died fighting for the ISLAMIC STATE. Millions fought for it, killed and displaced several millions and thats just the glamorous terrorist organization there are countless others and ya 1.8 billion people do read that book. It's the first thing most of them learn to read.
I don't know what logic you used to interpret my comment as saying 1.8 billion people start reading it from birth.
Millions of people don't die because of Hinduism. Every Islamic country has the same story, all it takes is a bit of common sense.
Again i don't understand your grievance. those extremist jihadis keep getting pounded. It's not like being called a jihadi is a matter of pride.if People don't die because of Hinduism then that's a good thing why are you supporting the guy who indeed wants to do what jihadis do? Remember that PBM quote about identity crisis? It so precisely captures the affliction. People need to get out of Victim-Owner syndrome or what Christophe Jaffrelotte calls Majoritarian inferiority complex. Life life with confidence. India has survived for thousands of years , don't let some bigots frighten you into living like a victim.
Ye trad retards ethnic cleansing ki baat kr rhe Dalits ki, muslims ki, bulli bai app bna rhe. If people like you keep standing behind them fir tumhara hinduism ki superiority wala flex Kis baat ka rhega. You will become the very shadow of what you hate. And It's not like everything has been hunky Dory in Hinduism , millions of people have been forced to live a life of slavery and perpetual disgrace with even their shadow being considered a source of pollution. But that's the matter of a different debate. Mine was a simple argument about punishing the extremists and not underestimating them as fringe. I don't know why you had to bring that verse from Quran
You're absolutely right Hinduism is evil and must be eradicated. Trashing Hinduism is the only intellectual way. But there's a catch, none of those people enjoy mass support, the guy mocking them was probably a hindu and millions of hindus will stand outside with their cards and quotes to protest against Trads if they ever became significant.
Quran that uses the words fight and kill over 200 times does enjoy universal support. 100s of millions of people have been killed in its name. So at the very least Islam is not a religion of peace and probably much worse than Hinduism. All those caste discrimination you talk about, they exist in islam as well and are much worse.
I've previously misses cutoff by single digit and people with 50 marks less than me are class 1 officers now. No government can stand without dalits in any state. It's actually high caste Hindus that are the oppressed minorities in this country and they should be, for calling themselves high caste all this time.
My point is, all those 'evil' things you talk about, hindus themselves are dealing death blows to them and it'll go away with time. Do you see a single muslim saying things like ' if my religion tells you to kill people or torture animals then my religion is wrong' because that's what 99% of Hindus will say to groups like trads. I highly recommend everyone who dares call themselves liberal or intellectual, read the books that these 1.8 billion consider infallible, imagine they never read the communist propaganda called 'the hindu' and then tell me which is more dangerous. Hinduism or religion of peace.
It's a video by BBC on what Pakistan books say about hindus. I haven't actually seen it but it's probably pretty disgusting. There are other sources and other videos by bbc. Do watch them. This country was made on the basis of religion of peace and equality. I'm sure there will be defenders of this, at one point someone will throw the word socioeconomic, the commie version of a killshot.
BTW if someone in interview says 2+2 is 5 because of socioeconomic, just accept defeat, bow your head in shame and move on.
@KratosOfPUBG don't project your insecurities through me bro. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said Hinduism is evil and need to be eradicated that's your self victimisation showing up. Dalits are snaching my seat, upper caste are the new minority bla blah give me a break.
In lok sabha 33% MPs are upper caste and what's the population of upper caste in country ? 10%? 15%? And yet upper caste are the minorities. You know what being a minority feels like when you have 20% population(muslims) and yet only 4-6% representation in lok sabha across govts. When you have 50% population (obcs) yet you have merely 15% representation in central group A services, when a dalit woman on average has a lower life expectancy compared to an upper caste woman. While its understanble experiencing pain at missing cutoff by a few marks and to see someone else getting in with less marks than you, but that's the commitment that we as a society have made, and that's what makes us human - to be able to sacrifice one's interest for the interest of others less privileged than you. Any modern civilised society will take steps to ameliorate the situation of its weakest citizens. That's why we have progressive taxation, social security benefits and so on. Like Maithili Sharan Gupt says
वही पशु प्रवृत्ति है कि आप आप ही चरे, वही मनुष्य है कि जो मनुष्य के लिए मरे
Even from a selfish point of view affirmative action is justified. When Aristotle said everywhere inequality is the cause of revolution it wasn't his fancy. If not for the grand bargain of reservation, of a welfare state the country would have split and would have experienced conflicts and disturbances.You are arguing for a society completely based on merit because you know your privileges. If you were placed behind a veil of ignorance ( John Rawls) and if you didn't know whether you will be a dalit or an upper caste, rich or impoverished, hindu or muslim after the veil is removed you will also choose to have some form of affirmative action or endowment sensitive insurance be provided by society.
As to what is being taught in pakistan that's not my concern. I am responsible only for my country, i can only hold my government accountable not Pakistan's. They may teach that sun revolves around the earth for all I care.
As far as I can catch your drift you hate Islam and feel helpless about not being able to do anything about it.there is no cure for this kind of hatred. And Islam is not going anywhere you can seeth underneath as much as you want. Just like Hinduism is not going to disappear even though bigots would want us to believe otherwise. I refuse to participate in the mass psychosis being propagated by the elites, any person with even a bit of self-esteem would.
I just said in my own comment that I'm not against affirmative action. Why the long essay.
It's not just about Pakistan, there is a same basic story in every single muslim majority country. Even in India they are hell bent on not modernizing. They believe Sharia should be the only law. Even the immigrants in USA or any western countries support sharia. Only 1 in 5 muslim support violence to further religious ideologies. So that's a good news but the rest of them don't condemn violence like Hindus do. They even support it.
Yes Hindus are constantly opressed and abused may be because it's not a real religion and everyone is free to express their views but the other side is less diverse than the minions maybe even less diverse than Bureaucrats. So there's a need to have a serious talk about the actual threats to society. The threat that has consumed so many societies and religions and no doubt will consume ours too.
@KratosOfPUBG don't project your insecurities through me bro. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said Hinduism is evil and need to be eradicated that's your self victimisation showing up. Dalits are snaching my seat, upper caste are the new minority bla blah give me a break.
In lok sabha 33% MPs are upper caste and what's the population of upper caste in country ? 10%? 15%? And yet upper caste are the minorities. You know what being a minority feels like when you have 20% population(muslims) and yet only 4-6% representation in lok sabha across govts. When you have 50% population (obcs) yet you have merely 15% representation in central group A services, when a dalit woman on average has a lower life expectancy compared to an upper caste woman. While its understanble experiencing pain at missing cutoff by a few marks and to see someone else getting in with less marks than you, but that's the commitment that we as a society have made, and that's what makes us human - to be able to sacrifice one's interest for the interest of others less privileged than you. Any modern civilised society will take steps to ameliorate the situation of its weakest citizens. That's why we have progressive taxation, social security benefits and so on. Like Maithili Sharan Gupt says
वही पशु प्रवृत्ति है कि आप आप ही चरे, वही मनुष्य है कि जो मनुष्य के लिए मरे
Even from a selfish point of view affirmative action is justified. When Aristotle said everywhere inequality is the cause of revolution it wasn't his fancy. If not for the grand bargain of reservation, of a welfare state the country would have split and would have experienced conflicts and disturbances.You are arguing for a society completely based on merit because you know your privileges. If you were placed behind a veil of ignorance ( John Rawls) and if you didn't know whether you will be a dalit or an upper caste, rich or impoverished, hindu or muslim after the veil is removed you will also choose to have some form of affirmative action or endowment sensitive insurance be provided by society.
As to what is being taught in pakistan that's not my concern. I am responsible only for my country, i can only hold my government accountable not Pakistan's. They may teach that sun revolves around the earth for all I care.
As far as I can catch your drift you hate Islam and feel helpless about not being able to do anything about it.there is no cure for this kind of hatred. And Islam is not going anywhere you can seeth underneath as much as you want. Just like Hinduism is not going to disappear even though bigots would want us to believe otherwise. I refuse to participate in the mass psychosis being propagated by the elites, any person with even a bit of self-esteem would.I just said in my own comment that I'm not against affirmative action. Why the long essay.
It's not just about Pakistan, there is a same basic story in every single muslim majority country. Even in India they are hell bent on not modernizing. They believe Sharia should be the only law. Even the immigrants in USA or any western countries support sharia. Only 1 in 5 muslim support violence to further religious ideologies. So that's a good news but the rest of them don't condemn violence like Hindus do. They even support it.
Yes Hindus are constantly opressed and abused may be because it's not a real religion and everyone is free to express their views but the other side is less diverse than the minions maybe even less diverse than Bureaucrats. So there's a need to have a serious talk about the actual threats to society. The threat that has consumed so many societies and religions and no doubt will consume ours too.
That essay is not only for reservation but is applicable for all kind of things including giving protection to minorities which was my main concern to begin with when I posted that article link about an extremist that has repeatedly gone against everything that this country's constitution stands for. it's ironical that you are pointing out the alleged lack of modern attitudes among muslims while defending a hatemonger that is anything but modern 😆 what do these buffoons that you defend say? Not very modern thoughts I reckon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haridwar_hate_speeches
These buffoons you mock are literally mocked by everyone. They are even abused by people and with impunity i might add. If you dare say anything rational about religion of peace, you'll lose your head. Ask people at Charlie Hebdo. Millions such examples exist. Again my point is that religion of peace is not actually peaceful. You'll find plenty of Hindus criticizing their religion but 1.8 billion people defend the book that has directly caused millions of deaths. This is extremely dangerous.
Again WORDS OF FEW VS DEEDS OF 1.8 BILLION. Which one is more alarming.
» show previous quotesThis magical figure of 1.8 billion does it include 3 year olds too and their deeds . Are those 3 year old riding on stallions from central Asia and giving you nightmares. I shiver at the thought of having to fight those 1.8 billion people bro. Wese Charlie Hebdo brings some name to my head like Mhatma Gandhi, Dhabolkar, Pansare, Gauri Lankesh, i wonder who killed these people.
Ya dude 1.8 billion also includes their demographic dividend. They start training kids at the age of 3 not to ride stallions just plain indoctrination. Do talk to young muslim kids, they aren't very good at hiding their indoctrination. 4 names vs 100s of millions unnamed dead in 59 islamic countries and half their population living as slaves under sharia law.
That's exactly the point I was making. The murderers of those 4 are universally condemned on social media with placards and in our history books by Hindus. Howmany muslims have uploaded their pic with placards saying not my religion. They consider it to be the absolute truth, nothing else can stand in its way. At not least with its head still attached.
Quran 4;60 Have you not observed those who claim that they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, yet they seek Satanic sources for legislation, in spite of being commanded to reject them? Satan means to mislead them far away.
Even shit like this which is pure propaganda stuff, is considered absolute truth. This particular verse I've seen being used multiple times by secular people on social media.
Oh, Arjun! Whenever this religion of duties and occupations (i.e. this religion of Chaturvarna) declines, then I myself will come to birth to punish those who are responsible for its downfall and to restore it--Geeta IV, 7-8.Ya dude 1.8 billion also includes their demographic dividend. They start training kids at the age of 3 not to ride stallions just plain indoctrination. Do talk to young muslim kids, they aren't very good at hiding their indoctrination. 4 names vs 100s of millions unnamed dead in 59 islamic countries and half their population living as slaves under sharia law.
That's exactly the point I was making. The murderers of those 4 are universally condemned on social media with placards and in our history books by Hindus. Howmany muslims have uploaded their pic with placards saying not my religion. They consider it to be the absolute truth, nothing else can stand in its way. At not least with its head still attached.
Quran 4;60 Have you not observed those who claim that they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, yet they seek Satanic sources for legislation, in spite of being commanded to reject them? Satan means to mislead them far away.
Even shit like this which is pure propaganda stuff, is considered absolute truth. This particular verse I've seen being used multiple times by secular people on social media.
Will you disown Gita now ? Will you campaign for removing Manu statue from Rajasthan HC premises ? Or will you say oh it's an exception nobody follows it 😆 but everyone following Islam is reading that verse with intense fervour. For your side sab exception hai , for the othe side it's the rule. Aisa kesa chalega.I can cherrypick quotes from all major religions including Hinduism , Islam , Christianity and paint them in a bad light. And religions being relics of pre modern times have plenty of those.
Universally condemn hota toh Godse zindabad wali Pragya Thakur Parliament me hoti? Mahatma Gandhi ka mock assassination karne wale impunity ke sath ghumte. What's giving these fanatics the confidence to shout ....kaate jayenge ram ram chillayenge in the capital of the country , and then organise other similar events ? Condemnation hota would it have been possible then ? Condemnation karna hota then you wouldn't have started this debate with me on a secular topic. What did I say in my first post - it's just the fringe, did i anywhere question or mention religion of these people , yet your response to it was a quote from Quran for no reason at all. This shows you do associate those people in some way as being representative of Hinduism and feel an attack on these bigots is an attack on Hinduism. Nothing else explains you throwing quaranic quotes in response to a call for condemnation of hatespeeches.
Of course you can quote any religious text to make it sound fanatic. BTW geeta never talked about chaturvarna only dharma. Bible too talks about kill8ng non believers but you don't see and Christian terrorist running around killing millions. Actual empirical evidences are there to back the hate propagated through quran.
Maybe 4-5 or even 20 people were killed because they were constantly abusing an already oppressed religious community. They were no more valuable than any 20 of the millions killed in the name of Islam.
There is no denying that religion and even the concept of God is flawed. If you look carefully prevailing climate in the region and previously existing cultures have moulded the concept of God in every region. I'm not defending Hinduism I'm just saying that of all religions Hinduism leaves the greatest scope for free thinking and Islam leaves the least. This combined with the number of dead bodies it has left makes it the most dangerous religion of the world.
Oh, Arjun! Whenever this religion of duties and occupations (i.e. this religion of Chaturvarna) declines, then I myself will come to birth to punish those who are responsible for its downfall and to restore it--Geeta IV, 7-8.Ya dude 1.8 billion also includes their demographic dividend. They start training kids at the age of 3 not to ride stallions just plain indoctrination. Do talk to young muslim kids, they aren't very good at hiding their indoctrination. 4 names vs 100s of millions unnamed dead in 59 islamic countries and half their population living as slaves under sharia law.
That's exactly the point I was making. The murderers of those 4 are universally condemned on social media with placards and in our history books by Hindus. Howmany muslims have uploaded their pic with placards saying not my religion. They consider it to be the absolute truth, nothing else can stand in its way. At not least with its head still attached.
Quran 4;60 Have you not observed those who claim that they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, yet they seek Satanic sources for legislation, in spite of being commanded to reject them? Satan means to mislead them far away.
Even shit like this which is pure propaganda stuff, is considered absolute truth. This particular verse I've seen being used multiple times by secular people on social media.
Will you disown Gita now ? Will you campaign for removing Manu statue from Rajasthan HC premises ? Or will you say oh it's an exception nobody follows it 😆 but everyone following Islam is reading that verse with intense fervour. For your side sab exception hai , for the othe side it's the rule. Aisa kesa chalega.I can cherrypick quotes from all major religions including Hinduism , Islam , Christianity and paint them in a bad light. And religions being relics of pre modern times have plenty of those.
Universally condemn hota toh Godse zindabad wali Pragya Thakur Parliament me hoti? Mahatma Gandhi ka mock assassination karne wale impunity ke sath ghumte. What's giving these fanatics the confidence to shout ....kaate jayenge ram ram chillayenge in the capital of the country , and then organise other similar events ? Condemnation hota would it have been possible then ? Condemnation karna hota then you wouldn't have started this debate with me on a secular topic. What did I say in my first post - it's just the fringe, did i anywhere question or mention religion of these people , yet your response to it was a quote from Quran for no reason at all. This shows you do associate those people in some way as being representative of Hinduism and feel an attack on these bigots is an attack on Hinduism. Nothing else explains you throwing quaranic quotes in response to a call for condemnation of hatespeeches.
That is the whole point of what I want to say everyone except the religion of peace knows that religion is flawed. Muslims believe killing animals slowly will definitely take them to heaven, imposing sharia is their duty, killing geckos and infidels will get them to heaven. That's the belief of 1.8 billion and counting.
Literally every other religion is more liberal than this.
Oh, Arjun! Whenever this religion of duties and occupations (i.e. this religion of Chaturvarna) declines, then I myself will come to birth to punish those who are responsible for its downfall and to restore it--Geeta IV, 7-8.Ya dude 1.8 billion also includes their demographic dividend. They start training kids at the age of 3 not to ride stallions just plain indoctrination. Do talk to young muslim kids, they aren't very good at hiding their indoctrination. 4 names vs 100s of millions unnamed dead in 59 islamic countries and half their population living as slaves under sharia law.
That's exactly the point I was making. The murderers of those 4 are universally condemned on social media with placards and in our history books by Hindus. Howmany muslims have uploaded their pic with placards saying not my religion. They consider it to be the absolute truth, nothing else can stand in its way. At not least with its head still attached.
Quran 4;60 Have you not observed those who claim that they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, yet they seek Satanic sources for legislation, in spite of being commanded to reject them? Satan means to mislead them far away.
Even shit like this which is pure propaganda stuff, is considered absolute truth. This particular verse I've seen being used multiple times by secular people on social media.
Will you disown Gita now ? Will you campaign for removing Manu statue from Rajasthan HC premises ? Or will you say oh it's an exception nobody follows it 😆 but everyone following Islam is reading that verse with intense fervour. For your side sab exception hai , for the othe side it's the rule. Aisa kesa chalega.I can cherrypick quotes from all major religions including Hinduism , Islam , Christianity and paint them in a bad light. And religions being relics of pre modern times have plenty of those.
Universally condemn hota toh Godse zindabad wali Pragya Thakur Parliament me hoti? Mahatma Gandhi ka mock assassination karne wale impunity ke sath ghumte. What's giving these fanatics the confidence to shout ....kaate jayenge ram ram chillayenge in the capital of the country , and then organise other similar events ? Condemnation hota would it have been possible then ? Condemnation karna hota then you wouldn't have started this debate with me on a secular topic. What did I say in my first post - it's just the fringe, did i anywhere question or mention religion of these people , yet your response to it was a quote from Quran for no reason at all. This shows you do associate those people in some way as being representative of Hinduism and feel an attack on these bigots is an attack on Hinduism. Nothing else explains you throwing quaranic quotes in response to a call for condemnation of hatespeeches.
That is the whole point of what I want to say everyone except the religion of peace knows that religion is flawed. Muslims believe killing animals slowly will definitely take them to heaven, imposing sharia is their duty, killing geckos and infidels will get them to heaven. That's the belief of 1.8 billion and counting.
Literally every other religion is more liberal than this.
Hey, one of 1.8 billion reporting in. Does not believe. Would like you to stop generalising. Thankyou. Have a good day.
Oh, Arjun! Whenever this religion of duties and occupations (i.e. this religion of Chaturvarna) declines, then I myself will come to birth to punish those who are responsible for its downfall and to restore it--Geeta IV, 7-8.Ya dude 1.8 billion also includes their demographic dividend. They start training kids at the age of 3 not to ride stallions just plain indoctrination. Do talk to young muslim kids, they aren't very good at hiding their indoctrination. 4 names vs 100s of millions unnamed dead in 59 islamic countries and half their population living as slaves under sharia law.
That's exactly the point I was making. The murderers of those 4 are universally condemned on social media with placards and in our history books by Hindus. Howmany muslims have uploaded their pic with placards saying not my religion. They consider it to be the absolute truth, nothing else can stand in its way. At not least with its head still attached.
Quran 4;60 Have you not observed those who claim that they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, yet they seek Satanic sources for legislation, in spite of being commanded to reject them? Satan means to mislead them far away.
Even shit like this which is pure propaganda stuff, is considered absolute truth. This particular verse I've seen being used multiple times by secular people on social media.
Will you disown Gita now ? Will you campaign for removing Manu statue from Rajasthan HC premises ? Or will you say oh it's an exception nobody follows it 😆 but everyone following Islam is reading that verse with intense fervour. For your side sab exception hai , for the othe side it's the rule. Aisa kesa chalega.I can cherrypick quotes from all major religions including Hinduism , Islam , Christianity and paint them in a bad light. And religions being relics of pre modern times have plenty of those.
Universally condemn hota toh Godse zindabad wali Pragya Thakur Parliament me hoti? Mahatma Gandhi ka mock assassination karne wale impunity ke sath ghumte. What's giving these fanatics the confidence to shout ....kaate jayenge ram ram chillayenge in the capital of the country , and then organise other similar events ? Condemnation hota would it have been possible then ? Condemnation karna hota then you wouldn't have started this debate with me on a secular topic. What did I say in my first post - it's just the fringe, did i anywhere question or mention religion of these people , yet your response to it was a quote from Quran for no reason at all. This shows you do associate those people in some way as being representative of Hinduism and feel an attack on these bigots is an attack on Hinduism. Nothing else explains you throwing quaranic quotes in response to a call for condemnation of hatespeeches.
That is the whole point of what I want to say everyone except the religion of peace knows that religion is flawed. Muslims believe killing animals slowly will definitely take them to heaven, imposing sharia is their duty, killing geckos and infidels will get them to heaven. That's the belief of 1.8 billion and counting.
Literally every other religion is more liberal than this.
Hey, one of 1.8 billion reporting in. Does not believe. Would like you to stop generalising. Thankyou. Have a good day.
Happy to. Started just because on this forum like everywhere else abusing Hinduism is intellectual. Ignoring ground level evidence is also cool. Grew up in a place with your majority and had to move out. Anyways end of discussion from my side.
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