Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain
The Civils Mains result has been declared. This thread is for sharing your grief , joy , mixed feelings - absolutely anything and everything.
Bhai log how are you people studying with all these negativities around us? Need some advice 🥺🥺The question should be: "Are you studying?"
I am not even studying half as much as I should be. This has been happening for a month now. I just told myself not to judge my performance too harshly. It will only push into a deeper spiral of unhappiness. I was very sad last week. Now, I feel a little better. The happiness is coming back gradually. And I hope productivity will come back soon. Until then:
@LeoMessi Not a timetable guy but following Insights' revision schedule (which might be irrelevant now lmao) has been helpful, might be worth a shot? It's all divided into small portions per day so it's easy to work according to how much you wanna do.Just don't scroll to the comments of the daily quizzes, monsters lurk there.
I am also following same revision plan.. its helping to keep on track. Although I am unable to finish subjects in their planned days I am moving to other subjects keeping record what is yet to be done.
Dalinar,thepolicydreamer
Okay, this is nothing pertaining to the ongoing discussion. I just felt sharing it here, as I feel much more safer here vis a vis any other platform.
I was reading about 15th Finance Commission (FC), when this thread was witnessing it's peak on gender discussion. While revising the FC's ToR, recommendations, constitutional provisions etc (you know, the usual stuff), I realised something interesting.
I dunno how and why, but my mind automatically posed me a question: why there are no women member in 15th FC?
The feminist in me could not resist the temptation of digging more on this. And I am extremely proud while I say this being a man myself. Having constantly been involved with women's issues of various manifestations, both in my personal and professional capacity, I might be tad bit more attuned to the problems women face both generally and in specific situations.
I started my research, and here is the conclusion- It was disheartening to obs that only one women (Smt Sushma Nath 14FC), SINCE 1947, was found worthy to find a place at FC, despite India producing a galaxy of stalwart women economists and public finance experts.
Why I am writing this? What's the purpose of retreating this fact? The answer is simple- Glass ceiling hurts. Everyone.
It's because of these reasons, the question of marginalization should never be absent from our radars. Specially when we all are eying for positions of power in society.
I understand that not everybody feels comfortable with loaded terms like feminism, especially because it is grossly misunderstood, but I believe all men and women should have at least a basic and sympathetic comprehension of women's issues if we are to progress as a society. I hope all of us can consciously give it a thought, without preconceived prejudices and with well-informed outlook.
Let me share with you all something really personal. Everyone has that one single spark, which propels one to really work hard for this exam. Everyone is driven by that one incentive, which serves as a reminder to bounce back from your low points. For me, the main aim for sitting for civils is exactly this. Of all the marginalities, issues faced by women is something very close to me. I don't want that every other girl in my village faces the same fate, pertaining to hinderance in her higher studies, which was faced by my sister. I don't want to see the discrimination, I know someone who faced, when all the resources in her household was readily spent on his brother's convent english education, while she was forced to study in a resource less sarkaari school, despite she toping every exam she wrote. I don't want to see a similar fate of my friend, who was married off to a stranger, against her wishes, while she was at peak of her studies. I don't want that a girl faces restrictions, which I know someone faced, when she was all set to represent her school at the state level, just because "her periods clashed with the tournament" and those blood stains stained her career forever. I don't want a similar fate, which a close relative of mine faced, WHEN SHE WAS BURNT ALIVE, opposing the dowry in her in-laws house. I still remember those scenes, when that police officer shooed us away when we went to register that FIR. I don't want that any other working women faces glass ceiling (that's why that particular episode of Yes Minister is my fav) that a very close friend of mine is facing while she works in a corporate job. I don't want that my teenager sister frantically calling me and crying coz a leech harrassed her online. I don't want that men demand "nude picks" and send "dick picks" the moment they loose civility online. Ask someone who has faced all this trauma because men . occupies such spaces. I don't want that the she is married at the gun point of dowry. I don't want that she faces harrassment while traveling in public transport (remembering how once in one of these forum thread, someone has to actually come forward and explain why first compartment in delhi metro is actually reserved). I don't want to see how some of the brightest of women i have met, is struggling emotionally AND PHYSICALLY to a toxic marriage. You know why our labour participation is low? Coz she is busy serving her husband, cleaning, washing, and care giving activities, while men invisibles her work. I don't want to see any girl.....the list is endless. But the issues are not.
Sorry for writing this long post. I dunno if this will contribute anything to the discussions, but I felt writing it. Have poured my fear and apprehensions. And this is why having such discussions are important. Be it a tvf series, or be it a real life series.
Patriarchy hurts. Everyone.
Have made this case for postponement based on common sense, so that in times of these uncertainties, everyone can move forward in a more efficient manner and can restrain ourselves from thinking about this topic anymore.
Case for Postponement: -
1) The present situation is worse than last year when
the exam got postponed to 04-10-2020.
2) There is already a recent precedent where UPSC
did not conduct the prelims before the completion of the last cycle.
Therefore, at the primary level, it looks, the Prelims should be
postponed at any condition.
Now in case if the exam is not postponed and UPSC comes up with
admit card by last week of May or first week of June, then in such cases,
petitions will be filed in Supreme Court and High Court (which will be ultimately
heard only by SC using Article 139-A)
For their case, UPSC will use the precedent of last year
when Supreme Court on 30-09-2021, denied the request to postpone the exam (from
04-10-2020) any further. (Link to order-https://indiankanoon.org/doc/161644415/)
Now when we analyze this order passed by the supreme court, it
is very unlikely thatthe supreme court will deny this time.Reasons:
-
The situation at present is very different from that of October
2020 because, till date, no exam has been conducted on a national level since the
2ndwave started to collapse our systems, whereas last year exams
like NEET (where more than 14 lakhs students appeared) was conducted in mid-September.
Also, the way system has collapsed this the time where even the examination centers have been converted into vaccination
centers, UPSC will have many logistics issues, in case they decide to conduct. And
there are many different points that makes present situation very different
from last year (that civils daily video also covers those points)
An exception to the above case: - It will not be
postponedonly if(1) the present situation improves drastically by last
week of May or first week of June, and (2) at the same time some other national the exam also gets conducted successfully and (3) also UPSC decides to conduct
prelims even before completing the last cycle and (4) lastly, Supreme Court
denies to postpone it.
Hence after applying the above logic and legal precedents, we can safely predict that in all probability(99.9%) the exam will be postponed, unlessall four conditions (referred in above para)are metsimultaneouslywithin the next 20 days and that too in INDIA!!!
P.S. - Use this case at your own risk,baaki samajdaro ko ishare kaafi hai:)
Okay, this is nothing pertaining to the ongoing discussion. I just felt sharing it here, as I feel much more safer here vis a vis any other platform.
I was reading about 15th Finance Commission (FC), when this thread was witnessing it's peak on gender discussion. While revising the FC's ToR, recommendations, constitutional provisions etc (you know, the usual stuff), I realised something interesting.
I dunno how and why, but my mind automatically posed me a question: why there are no women member in 15th FC?
The feminist in me could not resist the temptation of digging more on this. And I am extremely proud while I say this being a man myself. Having constantly been involved with women's issues of various manifestations, both in my personal and professional capacity, I might be tad bit more attuned to the problems women face both generally and in specific situations.
I started my research, and here is the conclusion- It was disheartening to obs that only one women (Smt Sushma Nath 14FC), SINCE 1947, was found worthy to find a place at FC, despite India producing a galaxy of stalwart women economists and public finance experts.
Why I am writing this? What's the purpose of retreating this fact? The answer is simple- Glass ceiling hurts. Everyone.
It's because of these reasons, the question of marginalization should never be absent from our radars. Specially when we all are eying for positions of power in society.
I understand that not everybody feels comfortable with loaded terms like feminism, especially because it is grossly misunderstood, but I believe all men and women should have at least a basic and sympathetic comprehension of women's issues if we are to progress as a society. I hope all of us can consciously give it a thought, without preconceived prejudices and with well-informed outlook.
Let me share with you all something really personal. Everyone has that one single spark, which propels one to really work hard for this exam. Everyone is driven by that one incentive, which serves as a reminder to bounce back from your low points. For me, the main aim for sitting for civils is exactly this. Of all the marginalities, issues faced by women is something very close to me. I don't want that every other girl in my village faces the same fate, pertaining to hinderance in her higher studies, which was faced by my sister. I don't want to see the discrimination, I know someone who faced, when all the resources in her household was readily spent on his brother's convent english education, while she was forced to study in a resource less sarkaari school, despite she toping every exam she wrote. I don't want to see a similar fate of my friend, who was married off to a stranger, against her wishes, while she was at peak of her studies. I don't want that a girl faces restrictions, which I know someone faced, when she was all set to represent her school at the state level, just because "her periods clashed with the tournament" and those blood stains stained her career forever. I don't want a similar fate, which a close relative of mine faced, WHEN SHE WAS BURNT ALIVE, opposing the dowry in her in-laws house. I still remember those scenes, when that police officer shooed us away when we went to register that FIR. I don't want that any other working women faces glass ceiling (that's why that particular episode of Yes Minister is my fav) that a very close friend of mine is facing while she works in a corporate job. I don't want that my teenager sister frantically calling me and crying coz a leech harrassed her online. I don't want that men demand "nude picks" and send "dick picks" the moment they loose civility online. Ask someone who has faced all this trauma because men . occupies such spaces. I don't want that the she is married at the gun point of dowry. I don't want that she faces harrassment while traveling in public transport (remembering how once in one of these forum thread, someone has to actually come forward and explain why first compartment in delhi metro is actually reserved). I don't want to see how some of the brightest of women i have met, is struggling emotionally AND PHYSICALLY to a toxic marriage. You know why our labour participation is low? Coz she is busy serving her husband, cleaning, washing, and care giving activities, while men invisibles her work. I don't want to see any girl.....the list is endless. But the issues are not.
Sorry for writing this long post. I dunno if this will contribute anything to the discussions, but I felt writing it. Have poured my fear and apprehensions. And this is why having such discussions are important. Be it a tvf series, or be it a real life series.
Patriarchy hurts. Everyone.
Coming this from a man is highly appreciated! You and@SergioRamos have been two people in forum ( read men) who have been vocal of being feminist. Due to my background and the place I belong to , I haven't met people like you, albeit online this has restored my trust that men like you do exists. :)
I see most of the people vehemently opposing reservation but accepting the class difference as given. Why we don't see such voices raising so vehemently for say free higher education or for increasing the number of seats in best colleges or free healthcare and all? People are pointing certain reserved individual flaunting his achievement as unfair while accepting the person who entered in a decent foreign university or made it in start up through parent's money. I see the later kind of people in much more abundance. Does that make every higher class person a culprit? Or is it wrong or unethical for them using their parents money?
Is it because the reservation is as people call it systemic fault and could be 'improved' through one amendment and the idea of class is acceptable because it is somehow more near to merit.
Finally is the whole idea of meritocracy fair? What do you guys think?
Okay, this is nothing pertaining to the ongoing discussion. I just felt sharing it here, as I feel much more safer here vis a vis any other platform.
I was reading about 15th Finance Commission (FC), when this thread was witnessing it's peak on gender discussion. While revising the FC's ToR, recommendations, constitutional provisions etc (you know, the usual stuff), I realised something interesting.
I dunno how and why, but my mind automatically posed me a question: why there are no women member in 15th FC?
The feminist in me could not resist the temptation of digging more on this. And I am extremely proud while I say this being a man myself. Having constantly been involved with women's issues of various manifestations, both in my personal and professional capacity, I might be tad bit more attuned to the problems women face both generally and in specific situations.
I started my research, and here is the conclusion- It was disheartening to obs that only one women (Smt Sushma Nath 14FC), SINCE 1947, was found worthy to find a place at FC, despite India producing a galaxy of stalwart women economists and public finance experts.
Why I am writing this? What's the purpose of retreating this fact? The answer is simple- Glass ceiling hurts. Everyone.
It's because of these reasons, the question of marginalization should never be absent from our radars. Specially when we all are eying for positions of power in society.
I understand that not everybody feels comfortable with loaded terms like feminism, especially because it is grossly misunderstood, but I believe all men and women should have at least a basic and sympathetic comprehension of women's issues if we are to progress as a society. I hope all of us can consciously give it a thought, without preconceived prejudices and with well-informed outlook.
Let me share with you all something really personal. Everyone has that one single spark, which propels one to really work hard for this exam. Everyone is driven by that one incentive, which serves as a reminder to bounce back from your low points. For me, the main aim for sitting for civils is exactly this. Of all the marginalities, issues faced by women is something very close to me. I don't want that every other girl in my village faces the same fate, pertaining to hinderance in her higher studies, which was faced by my sister. I don't want to see the discrimination, I know someone who faced, when all the resources in her household was readily spent on his brother's convent english education, while she was forced to study in a resource less sarkaari school, despite she toping every exam she wrote. I don't want to see a similar fate of my friend, who was married off to a stranger, against her wishes, while she was at peak of her studies. I don't want that a girl faces restrictions, which I know someone faced, when she was all set to represent her school at the state level, just because "her periods clashed with the tournament" and those blood stains stained her career forever. I don't want a similar fate, which a close relative of mine faced, WHEN SHE WAS BURNT ALIVE, opposing the dowry in her in-laws house. I still remember those scenes, when that police officer shooed us away when we went to register that FIR. I don't want that any other working women faces glass ceiling (that's why that particular episode of Yes Minister is my fav) that a very close friend of mine is facing while she works in a corporate job. I don't want that my teenager sister frantically calling me and crying coz a leech harrassed her online. I don't want that men demand "nude picks" and send "dick picks" the moment they loose civility online. Ask someone who has faced all this trauma because men . occupies such spaces. I don't want that the she is married at the gun point of dowry. I don't want that she faces harrassment while traveling in public transport (remembering how once in one of these forum thread, someone has to actually come forward and explain why first compartment in delhi metro is actually reserved). I don't want to see how some of the brightest of women i have met, is struggling emotionally AND PHYSICALLY to a toxic marriage. You know why our labour participation is low? Coz she is busy serving her husband, cleaning, washing, and care giving activities, while men invisibles her work. I don't want to see any girl.....the list is endless. But the issues are not.
Sorry for writing this long post. I dunno if this will contribute anything to the discussions, but I felt writing it. Have poured my fear and apprehensions. And this is why having such discussions are important. Be it a tvf series, or be it a real life series.
Patriarchy hurts. Everyone.
With a driving instinct as pure as that, you're already winning in life as a human :) with your empathy and intelligence you're bound to make a difference wherever you go. thank you for writing this. Knowing that people who think like you are out there, striving to better people's lives, makes me feel so hopeful for the country and for all of us.
Bhai log how are you people studying with all these negativities around us? Need some advice 🥺🥺
So a couple of weeks ago I was studying nil. The past two weeks have been fairly better in terms of my output. I'll share what worked for me as well as my thoughts about this.
1) We are in a situation that's unparalleled by what we've ever faced before collectively. It's unfair to expect the same productivity as before when things were normal. It's okay to languish. We're human beings not machines. Accepting that is the first step
2) This acceptance, however, does not mean we're free not to study. (Unless you're unable to for any reason). Not doing anything will only worsen the negative feelings. Some will feel guilt for wasting their time. Others will be paralysed by anxiety as time goes on without having lessened the load they have to study. Still others will fall into a habit of not studying; making a full recovery from that is hard. So the answer is to study little by little and not ignoring it fully.
3) Before you start studying, make sure you're feeling better. It's hard to start when you're down. So take a break. Watch movies/TV shows. Talk to people. If you wanna talk to a stranger, my inbox is always open. Do anything that makes you feel better. I did all of this for a week and it greatly helped me.
4) Once you're feeling better, start small. Set small daily targets. Achieving them at the end of the day will give you the boost to go further the next day. One thing that has helped me is having an accountability partner. I share my daily goals with my friend in the morning and then in the evening update how much I've done, and vice versa. We encourage each other to keep going even when the days are tough. If you don't have anyone to do this, DM me or find someone else on Forum. There are a lot of helpful folks here.
These are small things I feel will make a difference. Try them. Hope they help you. Right now focus on just getting that consistency back. Over time, the intensity will come.
PS - This text is not meant for someone who suffered from COVID, or lost a loved one or suffered some other kind of trauma. Your mental health is more important than any productivity. Stay safe.
And when we also add the LGBTQ community into our discussions,
there is no end to the list of miseries that they have faced. At present they are just no more criminals (Thanks to the Navtej Singh Johar case 2 years back), and that too without having any rights like marital, guardianship, adoption, and add any other rights that we have.
This is the reason, I often wish that the future must belong to“SHE + LGBTQ community”, because we man had played enough leadership roles for centuries. (You can understand what I am trying to say if you just compare the handling of the COVID crisis both by women and men leaders across countries.)
My feelings are well summed by a quote from Swamy Vivekanada : -
“There is no chance for the welfare of the world unless the condition of woman is improved. It is not possible for a bird to fly on only one wing.
There is no hope for that family or country where there is no estimation of women, where they live in sadness. For this reason, they have to be raised first.”
Peace out!!!
I see most of the people vehemently opposing reservation but accepting the class difference as given. Why we don't see such voices raising so vehemently for say free higher education or for increasing the number of seats in best colleges or free healthcare and all? People are pointing certain reserved individual flaunting his achievement as unfair while accepting the person who entered in a decent foreign university or made it in start up through parent's money. I see the later kind of people in much more abundance. Does that make every higher class person a culprit? Or is it wrong or unethical for them using their parents money?
Is it because the reservation is as people call it systemic fault and could be 'improved' through one amendment and the idea of class is acceptable because it is somehow more near to merit.
Finally is the whole idea of meritocracy fair? What do you guys think?
To answer the question of whether meritocracy is fair or not, it is essential that we define merit first. What is merit? Is it the rank or marks we score in these competitive exams? Is it necessary that it should be based on quantifiable data?Secondly, would a bureaucracy selected purely on the basis of this definition of merit result in a credible and efficient bureaucracy? An administration that would help us in achieving the lofty goals of an egalitarian and just society?For the first question, I believe to confine merit to the restricted space of rank would be patently unfair. To quote Amartya Sen,"merit must not be limited to narrow and inflexible criteria such as one‘s rank in a standardised exam, but rather must flow from the actions a society seeks to reward, including the promotion of equality in society and diversity in public administration".As to the second one, I believe that it would achieve neither a credible bureaucracy nor a just society. The purpose of reservation is not only to undo the past historic wrongs but also to ensure inclusion, diversity and most importantly, representation. All of which are essential in an equitable, just and fair society.To conclude, a UR category candidate might score more marks, but does that also mean he/she "deserves" it more? I doubt that.
Obc,SCs nd STs are also selected on the basis of merit. They compete with each other in their quota. So according to u ,that system is also unfair.
Then what r the solutions, randomly selecting anyone or giving preference to those who r at the bottom of merit list. Imagine,in the sc merit list , candidate who score the least marks is given preference, would that be fare? How would the sc candidates who have scored more will feel?
Again, as someone summed it up correctly,fair mix of merit nd affirmative action is required nd that is being followed as well . 60% reservation affirmative action,open 40% for merit. But the success of system has to be judged not just by its intentions but also by its consequences. This is why, rationalization of reservation system is required.
U r wasting ur time whn sm dnt want soln just theorisation and creating confusion by forcing1 sided view and bringing so many relatively minor issues tht society cant focus on extremely urgent 1s.1 cant find a single cmmnt against "affirmative action" here.On the othr,not a single cmmnt frm supporters to make it fair,strting frm themselves if they r rich,into good cllges,parents lrdy enjoying benefits,why not sacrifice it 4 their own!!Its imp bcauz read shared article, redistribution s seen fair nly if sm r ahead at cost of othrs but whn most r left behind ,it doesnt wrk,thts why Marathas and jats demand.Guha has written how NE convent educated guys corner max benefits though tribes r concentrated in central India but no stil "we r poor" tag,guess poor Bihar has 2 bcm naxalites to gain special status on same lines.Reading stary eyed novels in cosy chambers and preaching is not wisdom,jumping the gun and thn running away reflects poorly.Snt ths hypocrisy?Plz note-personally m just against "1 sidedness" of debate not reservation or gender nything per se,plz dnt drag me there.Peace👍
Okay, this is nothing pertaining to the ongoing discussion. I just felt sharing it here, as I feel much more safer here vis a vis any other platform.
I was reading about 15th Finance Commission (FC), when this thread was witnessing it's peak on gender discussion. While revising the FC's ToR, recommendations, constitutional provisions etc (you know, the usual stuff), I realised something interesting.
I dunno how and why, but my mind automatically posed me a question: why there are no women member in 15th FC?
The feminist in me could not resist the temptation of digging more on this. And I am extremely proud while I say this being a man myself. Having constantly been involved with women's issues of various manifestations, both in my personal and professional capacity, I might be tad bit more attuned to the problems women face both generally and in specific situations.
I started my research, and here is the conclusion- It was disheartening to obs that only one women (Smt Sushma Nath 14FC), SINCE 1947, was found worthy to find a place at FC, despite India producing a galaxy of stalwart women economists and public finance experts.
Why I am writing this? What's the purpose of retreating this fact? The answer is simple- Glass ceiling hurts. Everyone.
It's because of these reasons, the question of marginalization should never be absent from our radars. Specially when we all are eying for positions of power in society.
I understand that not everybody feels comfortable with loaded terms like feminism, especially because it is grossly misunderstood, but I believe all men and women should have at least a basic and sympathetic comprehension of women's issues if we are to progress as a society. I hope all of us can consciously give it a thought, without preconceived prejudices and with well-informed outlook.
Let me share with you all something really personal. Everyone has that one single spark, which propels one to really work hard for this exam. Everyone is driven by that one incentive, which serves as a reminder to bounce back from your low points. For me, the main aim for sitting for civils is exactly this. Of all the marginalities, issues faced by women is something very close to me. I don't want that every other girl in my village faces the same fate, pertaining to hinderance in her higher studies, which was faced by my sister. I don't want to see the discrimination, I know someone who faced, when all the resources in her household was readily spent on his brother's convent english education, while she was forced to study in a resource less sarkaari school, despite she toping every exam she wrote. I don't want to see a similar fate of my friend, who was married off to a stranger, against her wishes, while she was at peak of her studies. I don't want that a girl faces restrictions, which I know someone faced, when she was all set to represent her school at the state level, just because "her periods clashed with the tournament" and those blood stains stained her career forever. I don't want a similar fate, which a close relative of mine faced, WHEN SHE WAS BURNT ALIVE, opposing the dowry in her in-laws house. I still remember those scenes, when that police officer shooed us away when we went to register that FIR. I don't want that any other working women faces glass ceiling (that's why that particular episode of Yes Minister is my fav) that a very close friend of mine is facing while she works in a corporate job. I don't want that my teenager sister frantically calling me and crying coz a leech harrassed her online. I don't want that men demand "nude picks" and send "dick picks" the moment they loose civility online. Ask someone who has faced all this trauma because men . occupies such spaces. I don't want that the she is married at the gun point of dowry. I don't want that she faces harrassment while traveling in public transport (remembering how once in one of these forum thread, someone has to actually come forward and explain why first compartment in delhi metro is actually reserved). I don't want to see how some of the brightest of women i have met, is struggling emotionally AND PHYSICALLY to a toxic marriage. You know why our labour participation is low? Coz she is busy serving her husband, cleaning, washing, and care giving activities, while men invisibles her work. I don't want to see any girl.....the list is endless. But the issues are not.
Sorry for writing this long post. I dunno if this will contribute anything to the discussions, but I felt writing it. Have poured my fear and apprehensions. And this is why having such discussions are important. Be it a tvf series, or be it a real life series.
Patriarchy hurts. Everyone.
It is very rarely that I find people who have a nuanced understanding of gender issues, outside of academic circles. Often most people think that patriarchy is a rural phenomena that is confined to dowry harassment but the undercurrents are ever-present and all pervasive. And this many people seem to forget. Thank you for giving such a well-thought write-up because honestly it restores my faith in humanity.
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