[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021
Because of the corona virus issue? If it does not happen then worst affected will be people whose interview is stuck, around 600-700 such people I think are yet to appear for their interview.
@neyawn sir and others, what is your take?
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@MaxBlack he us asking for postponement not for wasting an entire year!
Postponing now means cancellation.. According to him vaccine will come in 80 days.. Assuming 100 days and then vaccinating the entire country.. And fir uske baad prelims.. This means postpone lobby wants the exam in feb/march.. How is it possible when 2021 prelims is in june? Isn't it better ki exam is held on 4th oct and all are given an extra attempt especially age factor waale.. Obviously this won't satisfy all but it is a lot better than cancellation..
What kind of insensitive argument is that nobody is forcing you?
There are no compulsions in many things in life yet we all do them as our life depends on it. Preaching is easy from above.
To the gentleman saying it is just an exam, sir, as you said, your money dried up so fast in the lockdown that you had to go out and work in these terrible times just to sustain yourself. With such wretched financial situation, you are still preparing for such a highly uncertain exam. Just like you have aspirations, others have theirs.
The compulsion here is time. This exam cycle. My time, my opportunities. The attempt age ratio I have in mind slipping through, several economic compulsions I do not wish to state here( no poverty porn on display) Will argue from just point of view. All I demand is equality of opportunity. Living in a democracy my demand is very well versed with the fundamental rights and directive principles.
Why should I be okay with a system where I am to suffer due to no fault of mine while the privileged ones are able to salvage their year? Is my time of no worth?
Where did I ask for a merger next year? Today we have a piece of news from serum institute that vaccines to be available after 73 days. We can have after that and push the next year prelims till August(like it used to be).
It is a privilege to say those who are not able to, do it next year. I thought we were trying to make society as equal as possible. My bad.
Anyway, NCERT 11th Political Theory has Justice as chapter 4. It contains John Rawls Theory of Justice. Quoting it verbatim as I find it useful here-
//So how do we reach a decision that would be both fair and just? John Rawls has tried to answer this question. He argues that the only way we can arrive at a fair and just rule is if we imagine ourselves to be in a situation in which we have to make decisions about how society should be organised although we do not know which position we would ourselves occupy in that society. That is, we do not know what kind of family we would be born in, whether we would be born into an ‘upper’ caste or ‘lower’ caste family, rich or poor, privileged or disadvantaged. Rawls argues that if we do not know, in this sense, who we will be and what options would be available to us in the future society, we will be likely to support a decision about the rules and organisation of that future society which would be fair for all the members. Rawls describes this as thinking under a ‘veil of ignorance’. He expects that in such a situation of complete ignorance about our possible position and status in society, each person would decide in the way they generally do, that is, in terms of their own interests. But since no one knows who he would be, and what is going to benefit him, each will envisage the future society from the point of view of the worst-off. It will be clear to a person who can reason and think for himself, that those who are born privileged will enjoy certain special opportunities. But, what if they have the misfortune of being born in a disadvantaged section of society where few opportunities would be available to them? Hence, it would make sense for each person, acting in his or her own interest, to try to think of rules of the organisation that will ensure reasonable opportunities to the weaker sections. The attempt will be to see that important resources, like education, health, shelter, etc., are available to all persons, even if they are not part of the upper class.//
Surely, nothing is bigger than life. But is not about just survival, isn't it? Let us not treat the less fortunate like farm animals where survival is the most important. I want to live my life with dignity, which is stripped away layer by layer if someone gets ahead of me due to their privilege and I am left behind with no fault of mine. I will raise my voice against it.
All the best to everyone. May a decision come which is acceptable to the majority.
Peace.
whatever u said would have been true only if truth was based on wishes..73 days for vaccine right even if I consider it true which has no surety? how many days will it take to vaccinate 140 cr people? any guesses? Lets not talk about covaxin..which might come by dec end..WHO says it will take 2yrs to normalise the situation.so when shld upsc take the exam? any realistic timeline based on certainty? no scientist in the wrld can say..how can u...till when upsc shld postpone? no one knows when situation will be normal..This time upsc wont postlone it will cancel this yr exam..and.while u dont want to miss an year why force others to miss their year out of your fear? And my money has not dried up I am part of essential services so I go to work daily.while going out I see many.who have to work tirelessly to sustain their family..for them coming out is not a choice its a compulsion..If you dont want to attempt this yr ask for an extra attempt but I want to sit for exam why force me to skip ? insensitivity is also abt just thinking about oneself while ignoring plight of others thinking only they are in precarious situation...This is an extraordinary situation and in such situation equal rules cant b applicable to all...need is to be fair to all and also realistic...ask for xtra attempt nt further postponement
This is an extraordinary situation,Exam postponement means it had to be merged with 2021 cycle, and that will be negative for all aspirant.So its better that tbose who want to appear are allowed to give exam of 4th,Those who are worried about corona can appear in 2021. Waise bhi they are aspiring for 2021.
Kuch bhi?!
Katy_Singh,
@sjl_mndl1369 hi not related to the argument. How are you managing both. It's becoming hectic for me.
didnt strt for prelims yet..will strt from next week...will do some selective study...cnt cover everything now..waise veteran hu...hope will complete things before 4th :)
Ispe kara tha tag 😂
hahahaha
Rather than the apprehension that appearing for exams might lead to spread of the infection -against which there are some solid counterarguments, now that everything is open-being the sole argument,one ought to put into account the fact that going by the trends, in two weeks preceding the exams at least 7-8 lakhs people will be detected positive.
There is no point in not assuming that many of them will be either the aspirants themselves or someone in their family.
In normal times we can blame one's luck or whatever for falling sick or meeting an unfortunate incident .
But this is pandemic when so many are prone to falling sick on a daily basis.
Denying them the opportunity to appear or forcing to make a choice in such situations of uncertainty is highly immoral.
And no the argument that appear next year is not insightful at all.
One of the arguments put forward by SC talked about the future of students being related to these exams,but what about those unfortunate souls who will have to forcefully lose a year especially when there is a bar on no. of attempts and age.
Overall holding a competitive exam during a raging pandemic does not seem moral at all.
TONYSTARK90011,
these points are equally applicable for upsc prelims..pandemic has not impacted the privileged few the way it has impacted others..no one wants to stay stuck in this perpetual exam cycle..but these are unprecedented times..once in a century situation..and 2/3 extra months wouldn't help someone who hasn't prepared till now..agar itne mahine kaafi nahi the toh 2 aur mahine kuch nahi kar sakte hai...hum sab serious candidate hai tabhi itna invested hai, its about other issues that we are grappling with(health concern, not having access to transport, we dont have pvt cars..personal rooms to quarantine ...cant afford medical expenses and so on)
TONYSTARK90011,There was a case study question few years ago in CSE ethics if anyone remembers...natural calamity and as a DM whom u will save prioritize and give ranks...In an ideal situation one will save everyone at once but in an extraordinary situation we need to prioritize..In extraordinary situation.Its not about making everyone happy and treating everyone similiarly..but its about taking the right decision optimisation of resources...Choices are not given they have to be made in that sitiation..we as a nation have failed to counter the pandemic..but thats the truth..need to accept that and move forward..life cant stop.and as Kejriwalji said.we have to live with corona...
clearly in that optimised choice you are not being left behind..people rationalise such things only when they are not at the receiving end ..when they are not collateral damage..
but by using this premise of yours i can justify and hence vindicate all the ills and disparities that pervades our society..
So last comment on this thread, as I have been seeing a lot many of my fellow brethren wasting their time here putting forth arguments like some polished lawyer of the Hon'ble Supreme Court.
Well here are two cents (try not to get offended)
1. If there is one thing we have learnt about this govt in the past 6years is that it will do what it deems fit to do, irrespective of what the popular opinion is. So, basically no matter how nuanced your opinions and facts are, they really do not mean Jack...sorry for the wordings but that's the truth. You can fool yourself all you want and have a battle of egos but none of it will make a difference to anything in the grand scheme. If exam is to happen it will happen, if it is getting postponed just remember it didn't happen because of some argument of yours.
2. As an aspirant our job is simply to study, if you can do that great. If you cannot due to any reason or circumstances, which I am sure many of you out here must be for valid reasons. Find ways to overcome that, that is what a bureaucrat's life is all about. He is expected to run a sprint, not only run but also win it with both his hands and legs tied. So yes, you may be going through some real adversities right now but you have to fight your way out of it, fight for your dream. Projecting oneself as the victim of circumstances won't help anyone.
So your job is to study now, get to it. Maybe if one day you become a secretary or Cab sec or DG or someone in power, remember and reflect on these days and then with compassion address the problems of then students/general populace. Your time will come to do all these arguments and to actually do something with them.
Till such time, the time right now demands you to study and I would strongly advise to not waste any more time out here bickering and reasoning with each other. Coz whatever has to happen will happen based on the decisions made by those in power. And clearly none of us over here are at any of those positions, had we been, we wouldn't be having this discussion :)
P.s. you want your voice to be heard ? Then this exam is your best bet, the fastest and easiest way to get there. For all other routes although effective require either loads of patience and hardwork, or loads of money.
Be selfish for a while, before you become selfless for the rest of your life.
There was a case study question few years ago in CSE ethics if anyone remembers...natural calamity and as a DM whom u will save prioritize and give ranks...In an ideal situation one will save everyone at once but in an extraordinary situation we need to prioritize..In extraordinary situation.Its not about making everyone happy and treating everyone similiarly..but its about taking the right decision optimisation of resources...Choices are not given they have to be made in that sitiation..we as a nation have failed to counter the pandemic..but thats the truth..need to accept that and move forward..life cant stop.and as Kejriwalji said.we have to live with corona...clearly in that optimised choice you are not being left behind..people rationalise such things only when they are not at the receiving end ..when they are not collateral damage..
but by using this premise of yours i can justify and hence vindicate all the ills and disparities that pervades our society..
you are thinking about your future I am thinking abt mine...neither u are wrong nor I am..neither u hold a moral high grnd nor me...Humans are utterly selfish..so be it
Katy_Singh,
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