Mains 2021 Result declared - In or Out?
So Mains 2021 has begun. Essay Paper is here
1. https://blog.forumias.com/upsc-ias-mains-2021-essay-question-paper/
2. GS Paper 1 : https://blog.forumias.com/download-upsc-ias-mains-2021-gs-1-question-paper
3. GS Paper 2 : https://blog.forumias.com/download-upsc-ias-mains-2021-gs-2-question-paper
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“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
The solution is NATO giving assurance that they will not admit Ukraine. Ukraine is kind of a buffer state between Europe and Russia. Its geography and history does not allow it to take any side. It at all cost has to find a coexistence with Moscow.
Putin is only asking for assurance that NATO will not be expanded. They have repeatedly violated this assurance and expanded NATO in 5 waves apparently. Putin has no option left but to retaliate. Otherwise, it will be an existential threat to Russia. Economic sanctions/military involvement/Kadi Ninda etc dont matter in front of existential crisis.
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
Can you please provide the source for stating that "AJP TAYLOR view is rejected by most of the historians"? I know you have history optional, would like to read that book myself.
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
Can you please provide the source for stating that "AJP TAYLOR view is rejected by most of the historians"? I know you have history optional, would like to read that book myself.
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
Can you please provide the source for stating that "AJP TAYLOR view is rejected by most of the historians"? I know you have history optional, would like to read that book myself.
I sincerely request you all to support the cause of the aspirants who couldn't attend mains due to covid..
Please support and if possible donate for the court case generously..
It will open gates for extra attempts
Please don't do cyber begging here..
Extra attempt is excuse of failures..
Hard work means to persist inspite of all odds..
I m expecting good score in mains. I have practiced a lot of answer before the mains exam... I am strictly against any such delay tactics..
You don't get it. They (whoever called you DKT) weren't triggered by your claims regarding marks, but by the 'in your face' way of putting it. "Cyber begging"? "Delay tactics"??, and after that you talk about your hard work and performance! I'm no one to judge, but please don't be under the impression that you were name called due to your marks prediction (that too may be a reason, as you've said 100 for GS3, which going by this year's paper and last year's topper marks, looks a bit unrealistic. But who am I to judge? may be you're good in GS3. I don't know, I don't care and I didn't call you any names. using someone's name as an abuse/slang is something I don't agree with. If you get 100 in GS3, good for you 👍🏽).
Well.. someone is expecting 145 in essay for his own performance.. god knows on what grounds..
But my assumption of 100 in GS 3 is unrealistic..wow...
Amazing analysis bro..
Don't be surprised if you land up getting 740 instead of 840.. happens with many by the way.. I m no exception..
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
Can you please provide the source for stating that "AJP TAYLOR view is rejected by most of the historians"? I know you have history optional, would like to read that book myself.
Read the last para, the book itself defends Taylor🤔
A lot rides on the response of west to Putin. If west fails to resist him it will have a domino effect across the region. Already Talibans victory has given some extremists hope of replicating similar thing elsewhere. And if Ukraine crisis also follows same trajectory, then i wint be surprised if the alliances that USA has built in middle East , in western Europe and Asia collapsing. Iran will get an upper hand in negotiations and may even go nuclear which in turn will make Saudi going for same. Already MBS has threatened to go nuclear if Iran does. Germany may rise again and become a military power and a security dilemma will ensue with other European powers also following militarisation , because who knows if some Neo Nazi comes to power in Germany. And then there's china , already watching with glee all that's unfolding in Ukraine. Putin calls his partnership with Xi as a no limit partnership of allied relationship. In short whole global order underpinned by US led institutions and the relative stability that we have come to take for granted may go for a toss.
All of this is hypothetical. Other opinions welcome
I sincerely request you all to support the cause of the aspirants who couldn't attend mains due to covid..
Please support and if possible donate for the court case generously..
It will open gates for extra attempts
Please don't do cyber begging here..
Extra attempt is excuse of failures..
Hard work means to persist inspite of all odds..
I m expecting good score in mains. I have practiced a lot of answer before the mains exam... I am strictly against any such delay tactics..
You don't get it. They (whoever called you DKT) weren't triggered by your claims regarding marks, but by the 'in your face' way of putting it. "Cyber begging"? "Delay tactics"??, and after that you talk about your hard work and performance! I'm no one to judge, but please don't be under the impression that you were name called due to your marks prediction (that too may be a reason, as you've said 100 for GS3, which going by this year's paper and last year's topper marks, looks a bit unrealistic. But who am I to judge? may be you're good in GS3. I don't know, I don't care and I didn't call you any names. using someone's name as an abuse/slang is something I don't agree with. If you get 100 in GS3, good for you 👍🏽).
Well.. someone is expecting 145 in essay for his own performance.. god knows on what grounds..
But my assumption of 100 in GS 3 is unrealistic..wow...
Amazing analysis bro..
Don't be surprised if you land up getting 740 instead of 840.. happens with many by the way.. I m no exception..
No issues. That's why it's called 'expectations'. It's not always true.
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
Can you please provide the source for stating that "AJP TAYLOR view is rejected by most of the historians"? I know you have history optional, would like to read that book myself.
Read the last para, the book itself defends Taylor🤔
For Taylor, ( Aisa likha h )
Book ne jo conclusion dia h woh Maine daala h . Dekho ek baar.
Philip_Marlowe,“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
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why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
look pal your answer exposes your bias and grand ignorance on the issue. you didn't counter my logical arguments by logic but by some weird statements or weird statements of "rhetoricians"
BATTLE FOR UKRAINE IS NOT BATTLE FOR EUROPE. Lithuanian leader is just into rhetoric mode. it knows nato will defend it but sadly you don't.
well i don't support violence or war but an eye for an eye will make whole world blind. you write it in gs4 and essay but fail to apply it beyond. anyways you were asking for solution, here are they
1. Ukraine must not be allowed to become nato member and if it is, a SECURITY GUARANTEE to Russia with adequate and clear clauses in it be provided.
2. Ukraine should engage with russia instead of begging the west.
3. Ukraine must concede because continuing the war will only hurt human rights of Ukrainian citizens and russian soldiers more and more.
russia isn't attacking Ukraine for "PLEASURE". I'm against all war but Putin's side should also be heard, where is your tolerance?
would you support it if turkey helped directly to Pakistan in conflict with india in 1965 or 1971 on the some false pretexts like "something" in danger?
No sensitive person wants violence or would support it. But quoting some old man and trying to fabricate and link something with hitler is pure class stupidity.
Putin may not be doing a moral thing, I concede. But tell me one thing, what options did the west leave for him? Putin doesn't believe in "Jab aag lagehi tab kua khodenge"
American Nuclear long range cruise missiles in NATOfied Ukraine are not just a possibility but a very strong one.
So abandon rhetoric, embrace logic.
"My logical arguments" and "your ignorance and biases"! Nice way to counter. Make it personal right? Sorry, doesn't work with me. Read the comment again and you may understand it.
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
Can you please provide the source for stating that "AJP TAYLOR view is rejected by most of the historians"? I know you have history optional, would like to read that book myself.
Read the last para, the book itself defends Taylor🤔
For Taylor, ( Aisa likha h )
Book ne jo conclusion dia h woh Maine daala h . Dekho ek baar.
ukraine if comes under nato will invite full scale war
russian side repeatedly is saying that this is a military operation. if they wanted to go to war, then given russian military might they wouldnt take 7 days. there is also a narative of neo nazism in ukraine being endorsed by russia. i have not yet searched this but cant dismiss it as russian propaganda.
why is russia not worried about economic sanctions
I assume its Putin's ego now. He thought the entire operation can be done in 2-3 days( ie. replacing the current regime with a pro-Russian Government). He wouldn't have imagined that the entire West would come together so quickly either. However the War has stretched and it doesn't look like ending soon. His reputation has already took a severe hit and he can't turn back now. Besides how much would the sanctions personally impact him?
Russians would be hit hard obviously. The Central Bank might hold for sometime but the economy will fail without a doubt. The Citizens are protesting but all that may not have any short term impact.
Western nations shouldn't sanction Russia because this will affect the "Human Rights" of innocent Russian citizens who weren't actually involved. West would be committing great sin if it's sanctions affect day to day lives of russian citizens. And probably Putin understands that.
This is a valid argument. Large anti-war protests r taking place in Russia. Police has cracked down upon those protestors. They r already suffering due to dictatorship of putin. Sanctions will only increase their sufferings. On one hand west is claiming themselves as protector of human rights in Ukraine On the other hand they r committing human rights violation in russia.
So what should the West do? Kadi ninda?
Obviously kadi ninda Other option is to sanction russua and destroy lives and human rights of innocent russian citizens while rich and powerful people like Putin aren't one percent affected by them.
and let Putin continue this madness in Ukraine? Next in line would be Latvia Lithuania etc. Keep on doing kadi ninda? Unfortunately, the only other alternative to economic sanctions is all out war. The Russian people would suffer, but may be then, they will do something to oust this mad man.
1. reasons for Russia's engagements in Ukraine don't apply to Latvia or Lithuania
2. you may not know it/, be ignorant towards the fact that Latvia Lithuania are nato allies while Ukraine isn't but putin knows that necessary fact very well.
3. west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations. if nato is so holy should've given membership to Ukraine. use UN to criticize though, who's stoppin ya?
4. Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever. the war began without their consent, they aren't perpetrators.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS BELONGING TO NON DEMOCRATIC REGIMES ARE EQUAL ABSOLUTELY TO THOSE BELONGING TO DEMOCRATIC REGIMES AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
“The battle for Ukraine is a battle for Europe. If Putin is not stopped there, he will go further,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis warned last week in a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Looks like Lithuania doesn't think that way. In world history, AJP Taylor has assessed the actions of Hitler as a gamble. He states that more the West (mainly France and UK) tried to avoid confronting him, the more encouraged he became, and started his next invasion. The appeasement policy was one of the main reasons for World war 2. When another mad man, who even threatens nuclear annihilation, invades a democratic country, "we should not do anything but only condemn his actions" doesn't appear a wise thing to me.
"west has no locus standi here it's between these two nations": yeah, so let them fight it out right? Wow! Didn't know there are still supporters for the law of the jungle.
"Russian people don't deserve to suffer for any reason whatsoever": agreed, so do Ukrainians. Russian soldiers shouldn't die too. They're simply following orders and may even be brain washed to believe this mad man. The only solution is to stop war. If you've a solution other than kadi ninda (seriously? 🙏🏽), say it.
Ajp taylor's theory is accepted by very few historians,most of them reject his views .
Imposing harsh economic sanctions without trying to solve the problem diplomatically is quite similar to the treaty of Versailles after ww1. And that didn't end very well for Europe.
Assuming that a cornered Russia will lead to Putin's fall at home is problematic, it may well go the other way. All I can see is Usa nd china will benefit nd world ( Europe in particular) will be much more unsafe nd unstable.
Can you please provide the source for stating that "AJP TAYLOR view is rejected by most of the historians"? I know you have history optional, would like to read that book myself.
Read the last para, the book itself defends Taylor🤔
For Taylor, ( Aisa likha h )
Book ne jo conclusion dia h woh Maine daala h . Dekho ek baar.
Chalo thankfully he wrote that we could make up our own minds
Philip_Marlowe,The solution is NATO giving assurance that they will not admit Ukraine. Ukraine is kind of a buffer state between Europe and Russia. Its geography and history does not allow it to take any side. It at all cost has to find a coexistence with Moscow.
Putin is only asking for assurance that NATO will not be expanded. They have repeatedly violated this assurance and expanded NATO in 5 waves apparently. Putin has no option left but to retaliate. Otherwise, it will be an existential threat to Russia. Economic sanctions/military involvement/Kadi Ninda etc dont matter in front of existential crisis.
But don't you think its a bit naïve to believe Putin's version of the story? - the same one which says Russia is facing an existential threat. If that is the case, then why doesn't he enjoy domestic support for this invasion? Its his mad adventure to cling to power, coupled by the old Soviet nostalgia which can't stand former states flourishing once out of its sphere of influence.
And even if there are security concerns, surely an invasion and indiscriminate bombing of cities, including civilian buildings, is not the answer. Russia is the aggressor, not the victim.
As for Ukraine, its a sovereign country, with every right to decide which alliance to join, especially for self defence. If Putin's agenda was to stop NATO expansion in Europe, then his moves have been laughable. All this while, with what's going on Ukraine, he's displaying exactly why European countries need NATO. This is manifest in how Finland is in the process to expedite its joining of NATO or how Switzerland and some other states have abandoned their age-old policy of neutrality to help Ukraine with arms, and support sanctions against Russia.
I guess it is highly faulty to compare Hitler and Putin, Hitler belonged to a different era which was nearing its end- the era of imperialism and colonialism. His policy was essentially expansionist towards the east, he was softer(comparatively) towards France and UK and ultimately, the concept of total war was quite widely applied in initial years to the Eastern front, thats why we have records of attrocities in Poland, Soviet republics, eastern Europe and not in France.
Putin on the other hand is fighting this as a defensive war, Ukraine has been marred with various revolutions in the past 20 years. Essentially Ukraine is divided east and west along political lines, west Ukraine favours close contact( business and military) with the western countries while east U favours it's old ties with Russia and old Soviet nations.
2004- orange revolution, pro west yanukovich(pardon spellings here) won after reelection was ordered.
2010- new president yanukovich was elevated with pro Russian leanings
2014- euromaiden protests were organised, and democratically elected govt was outsted. Reason was yanukovich dint agree to sign economic agreement for close association with EU while stopping eco agreement already in place with Russia. (It is said that it was widely supported by the western Intel agencies- if we see wiki pages this is called revolution of dignity).
2014 Russo-Ukraine war essentially a response to this 'coup', leading to annexation of Crimea, as Russia feared losing access to the black sea if Ukraine entered EU and subsequently NATO.
Now the existence of NATO itself is questionable since cold war ended, in addition steady expansion of NATO eastwards has been seen to be a threat to Russia.
The present war is in the background that Ukraine has been seeking membership of EU and NATO, though it hasn't been granted. Now if NATO gains access to Ukraine where does it leave Russia? It will have missiles pointing at Moscow which could reach it within 5-7 mins. Does that sound like Russia should allow that to happen?? We(Indians) are concerned about Chinese string of pearls for precisely this reason - to have an enemy up so close and at multiple points.
There is a precedent like this in history too, 1962 -cuban missile crisis. Where Soviets placed nuclear missiles in Cuba, in response to NATO nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. By logic if USA had an agreement with turkey and Italy to place missiles which were sovereign nations then so did Soviet union and Cuba, hence no nation should have problen. But USA precipitated nuclear crisis to prevent nuclear weapons within 90miles of it's coast. The fact is no great powers like to have interference within its sphere of influence. And in Europe, which has primarily based it's inter-country relations on the concept of Balance of power since the French revolution, loss of Ukraine's neutrality will lead to dangerous weakening of Russia.
I don't think Russia is wrong in its security concerns, i don't think war was not an option either. It is a calculated risk, just like Hitler had thought of quick victory in 1941, his famous words were " we just need to knock the door and the whole communist structure would come stumbling down", Putin is hoping for a quick victory and change of Ukraine govt and some security aggreements. Let's see how it plays out.
While we may profess sovereignty, democracy and peaceful negotiations , the game is far bigger here than that.
We Indians should rather protect our interests which are at the moment with Russia and quite proudly advocate "kadi ninda" than go for grandstanding and lose a valuable ally.
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