Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain
The Civils Mains result has been declared. This thread is for sharing your grief , joy , mixed feelings - absolutely anything and everything.
I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
Just one thing I would like to point out. I joined Shubhra Ranjan PSIR course this year. It began in July and ended in April. She took about 25 lectures only on Plato.
So in general people go for multiple readings or mugging up?Isn't multiple readings done to mug up?
Actually reading multiple times does not help you in mugging up. Mugging up can be done best only with active recall. You may not call it active recall but if you are great at mugging up, you are most probably active recalling in some form.
There are two different things: One isrecognizingand one isknowing. Multiple reading helps us recognize the things more. There is a chapter in the book"Make it Stick"called 'Avoiding Illusions of Knowing". It argues that multiple reading only gives us illusion of reading. But in reality, we are just getting more and more familiar with the text and not the underlying context, ideas and concepts. What I mean is that suppose you read a Shakespearean sonnet multiple times, it doesn't mean you understand it better. You may understand it better, that is a different thing. But most often what happens is that you become more familiar with how that sonnet sounds, its words, its language etc. You get familiar with the language, not the underlying ideas.
Call it mugging up or whatever, But you will be able to regurgitate a data, a specific quote, a line, keywords, etc. only when you employ the technique of active recall in some form. This can be achieved by testing more. Asking yourself questions & answering them yourself & repeating till you get it exactly right, reviewing Flashcards, drawing Mind Maps without referring to the source.
Yes this is what I do.
I sit, read things loudly,mug it up.Hide the answer with my hand and try to say aloud the answer again.
Will do this for question 1-5,then 6-10 then 1-10 then 11-15, then 1-15 then 16-20 and then 1-20.
In this way each question gets revised 4 times in 1 sitting of 2-3 hours.
Maybe that explains why don'nt forget things I have read once and maybe that also explains why am I not left with any time to write answers.Its like we used to do in class 5th or 6th.
Thanks@nerdfighter for putting it in words.
I meant the same thing but was'nt able to explain it in words
I am trying this for my PSIR optional. I've seen that I know stuff. Like, I can take a class on Plato but I kindda fail when writing an answer on Plato especially in the time limit. So, some kind of mugging up is important, I feel. Like, if you have some quote or some lines on tip of your tongue, the engine doesn't need a lot of time studying. Less of thinking on the time of actual writing.
Still this is what I am trying. Let's see if this what I stick to in the long term.
I feel we should be ready with Intro and generic conclusion for PSIR paper1 and 2 as well. I attempted questions of PSIR and felt points should be on finger tios to finish in 10 minutes to go upto 3 rd page.
nerdfighter,Jammu
@Ajatashatru This doubt tormented me so much during this year mains. I usually have a habit of mugging up and I did the same for my optional notes. It was taking very long so I decided to read instead , but was not able to get the satisfaction which I used to derive when I byhearted. Also , it felt incomplete (FOMO was at an all time high as I feared I won't be able to remember in exam). It took some time to get used to it, still not perfect at it.
I have realized that although mugging makes you recall better but it's not useful until you revise. Also , one downfall I think is that you tend to recall the exam same wordings rather than the main idea which yoy want to write . It gets really difficult when there is so much of syllabus and so less time .
PS: Very relieved that I'm not alone and others also grapple with this issue
Bhai, I have grappled with this issue for 2 mains. FOMO is the exact term.
Now I feel , intro and conclusions, stats for gs and quotes for psir should be by hearted. But rest should be read, multiple times
EiChan,I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
Get mam notes and listen this playlist. Her dictation and notes matches exactly. So you will feellike you are doing coaching.
Except Paper 2B I think you can refer this..
dalpha,@Ajatashatru This doubt tormented me so much during this year mains. I usually have a habit of mugging up and I did the same for my optional notes. It was taking very long so I decided to read instead , but was not able to get the satisfaction which I used to derive when I byhearted. Also , it felt incomplete (FOMO was at an all time high as I feared I won't be able to remember in exam). It took some time to get used to it, still not perfect at it.
I have realized that although mugging makes you recall better but it's not useful until you revise. Also , one downfall I think is that you tend to recall the exam same wordings rather than the main idea which yoy want to write . It gets really difficult when there is so much of syllabus and so less time .
PS: Very relieved that I'm not alone and others also grapple with this issue
Bhai, I have grappled with this issue for 2 mains. FOMO is the exact term.
Now I feel , intro and conclusions, stats for gs and quotes for psir should be by hearted. But rest should be read, multiple times
Exactly.. Generic Intro conclusions I feel we should make notes atleast..
Jammu,
I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
I sorry I saw your post on the PSIR thread but it completely slipped my mind to reply. I wouldn’t suggest joining a classroom course at this point of time for the 2021 attempt. You simply do not have the time or energy to invest unfortunately. I would suggest really sitting down and figuring out the concepts as best as you can. You have the time to devote almost a month per theory section right. So take your time and read your material as many times as is required to drill the concepts into your head. The whole game of PSIR is to know the ins and outs of your theory which I realised in the exam hall (it was too late by then, but oh well). The rest after prelims, if you are more or less sure of clearing, SR comes out with a crash course (which has its own merits and de-merits) which will hep you cover lost ground.
I’m not sure of Chaubey sir’s classes since I haven’t attended them, so I cannot comment on their quality
Actually reading multiple times does not help you in mugging up. Mugging up can be done best only with active recall. You may not call it active recall but if you are great at mugging up, you are most probably active recalling in some form.
There are two different things: One isrecognizingand one isknowing. Multiple reading helps us recognize the things more. There is a chapter in the book"Make it Stick"called 'Avoiding Illusions of Knowing". It argues that multiple reading only gives us illusion of reading. But in reality, we are just getting more and more familiar with the text and not the underlying context, ideas and concepts. What I mean is that suppose you read a Shakespearean sonnet multiple times, it doesn't mean you understand it better. You may understand it better, that is a different thing. But most often what happens is that you become more familiar with how that sonnet sounds, its words, its language etc. You get familiar with the language, not the underlying ideas.
Call it mugging up or whatever, But you will be able to regurgitate a data, a specific quote, a line, keywords, etc. only when you employ the technique of active recall in some form. This can be achieved by testing more. Asking yourself questions & answering them yourself & repeating till you get it exactly right, reviewing Flashcards, drawing Mind Maps without referring to the source.
Yes this is what I do.
I sit, read things loudly,mug it up.Hide the answer with my hand and try to say aloud the answer again.
Will do this for question 1-5,then 6-10 then 1-10 then 11-15, then 1-15 then 16-20 and then 1-20.
In this way each question gets revised 4 times in 1 sitting of 2-3 hours.
Maybe that explains why don'nt forget things I have read once and maybe that also explains why am I not left with any time to write answers.Its like we used to do in class 5th or 6th.
Maybe this explains why I could never read many sources for a single topic
Thanks@nerdfighter for putting it in words.
I meant the same thing but was'nt able to explain it in words
@SunnyParashar After mugging up something, after how much time do you revise it ?
I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
Replied on the psir thread :)
Anduin,@Ajatshatru @Villanelle @Jammu @nerdfighter @D503 @DeekshitaP @hashtag2020 @Rewl1 @dalpha @whatonly
All from PSIR??//
I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
Just one thing I would like to point out. I joined Shubhra Ranjan PSIR course this year. It began in July and ended in April. She took about 25 lectures only on Plato.
ohh that's quite a lot. better not to join. thanks :)
I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
Get mam notes and listen this playlist. Her dictation and notes matches exactly. So you will feellike you are doing coaching.
Except Paper 2B I think you can refer this..
okay thanks a lot :) this seem helpful
I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
I sorry I saw your post on the PSIR thread but it completely slipped my mind to reply. I wouldn’t suggest joining a classroom course at this point of time for the 2021 attempt. You simply do not have the time or energy to invest unfortunately. I would suggest really sitting down and figuring out the concepts as best as you can. You have the time to devote almost a month per theory section right. So take your time and read your material as many times as is required to drill the concepts into your head. The whole game of PSIR is to know the ins and outs of your theory which I realised in the exam hall (it was too late by then, but oh well). The rest after prelims, if you are more or less sure of clearing, SR comes out with a crash course (which has its own merits and de-merits) which will hep you cover lost ground.
I’m not sure of Chaubey sir’s classes since I haven’t attended them, so I cannot comment on their quality
not an issue. you're right joining classes might overwhelm me. i'll try reading material again and again and focus on understanding theories properly. but in mam's postal notes sometimes i find some points are missing and some disconnect is there. so what should be done for that ? any reference book or anything else. which you might've referred to? thank you :)
@Ajatashatru This doubt tormented me so much during this year mains. I usually have a habit of mugging up and I did the same for my optional notes. It was taking very long so I decided to read instead , but was not able to get the satisfaction which I used to derive when I byhearted. Also , it felt incomplete (FOMO was at an all time high as I feared I won't be able to remember in exam). It took some time to get used to it, still not perfect at it.
I have realized that although mugging makes you recall better but it's not useful until you revise. Also , one downfall I think is that you tend to recall the exam same wordings rather than the main idea which yoy want to write . It gets really difficult when there is so much of syllabus and so less time .
PS: Very relieved that I'm not alone and others also grapple with this issue
Bhai, I have grappled with this issue for 2 mains. FOMO is the exact term.
Now I feel , intro and conclusions, stats for gs and quotes for psir should be by hearted. But rest should be read, multiple times
I agree with you. Stats, quotes, books, should be mugged . Also, I would add to the list, key terms and their definitions. The rest can be imbibed by reading multiple times.
Golden mean of Artistotle should be the way.
PS: Still grasping with it and figuring it out. Hope this time, it will be much easier
@Ajatshatru @Villanelle @Jammu @nerdfighter @D503 @DeekshitaP @hashtag2020 @Rewl1 @dalpha @whatonly
All from PSIR??//
Avengers assemble?
I know this might not be correct thread to post this but, not getting reply on relevant thread. So please if anyone can help me regarding this ? if you people can't reply here then please pm me. But i'm really stressed about this.
Need some help regarding psir preparation. I have read basic material once but facing difficulties in grasping everything properly. going to write exam in 2021. i was thinking of joining any classroom course. so can anyone suggest what to do ? because shubhra mam's course will run for 6 months starting this july so i don't think that's a viable option. should i join some other classroom course ? also i found some audios of mam's 2018 batch on telegram so would those be reliable ? another option i have heard of is chaubey sir and some other free youtube series. so please anyone who has taken any classroom course before please help me out.
Thank You
I sorry I saw your post on the PSIR thread but it completely slipped my mind to reply. I wouldn’t suggest joining a classroom course at this point of time for the 2021 attempt. You simply do not have the time or energy to invest unfortunately. I would suggest really sitting down and figuring out the concepts as best as you can. You have the time to devote almost a month per theory section right. So take your time and read your material as many times as is required to drill the concepts into your head. The whole game of PSIR is to know the ins and outs of your theory which I realised in the exam hall (it was too late by then, but oh well). The rest after prelims, if you are more or less sure of clearing, SR comes out with a crash course (which has its own merits and de-merits) which will hep you cover lost ground.
I’m not sure of Chaubey sir’s classes since I haven’t attended them, so I cannot comment on their quality
not an issue. you're right joining classes might overwhelm me. i'll try reading material again and again and focus on understanding theories properly. but in mam's postal notes sometimes i find some points are missing and some disconnect is there. so what should be done for that ? any reference book or anything else. which you might've referred to? thank you :)
I’ve never been one to entirely depend on ma’am’s notes, as someone with a liberal arts bg that sounds kinda blasphemous to me (also many concepts weren’t entirely new to me). So I did refer to books and am making/updating my notes from those sources. But tbh I wouldn’t recommend that to you right now given that you need to understand the concepts properly right now. As@whatonly mentioned in the PSIR thread, focus on understanding the concepts by reading them 2-3 times (it does take a while to get the hang of them, but you’ll eventually get it). As for the stuff that you feel is missing I’m sure it wouldn’t be for theory because her notes are quite comprehensive for the theory portion. For the dynamic portion you can add stuff from newspaper editorials and magazines. But if you do really want to read a book I would recommend OP Gauba for theory.
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