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I think we aspirants most of the times tend to overestimate our competence. Coming with safron paste on forehead is his personal choice and right too. And allegations about corruption remain allegations only, unless proven. Having respect for members, not for the sake of it but genuinely, will help when one interacts with them in actual interview. One’s body language speaks what words don’t. Imagine yourself a UPSC member and you sense that the candidate despises you. Will you award marks to him or her liberally?
Dear friend, many people despise hearing anything against UPSC, for it harms their subconscious optimism. So I would like to make some points clear.1- UPSC as a constitutional body is a pride of our democracy. Though many tainted persons enter it through political connections, the institution remains largely unaffected by any individual. UPSC conducts exams as fairly as possible. 2- UPSC takes very seriously any issue that affects the fairness of the exam, be it coaching or cramming or language translation or controversial question. UPSC addresses all issues sincerely. I personally sent a representation on 2020 prelims economics question. The question was cancelled as the options were wrong. If that had not been cancelled, I could not have qualified 2020 prelims. 3- UPSC deals with candidates kindly. I forgot to bring photocopies of my original certificates during interview. The staff asked me to appear for interview first without any tension. After interview I was taken to their exam section, they photocopied my certificates in office and returned my certificates. 4- Prelims and mains written logistics preparation is a humongous work. UPSC does it flawlessly well in time. UPSC publishes results in a time bound manner. 5 My only concern is subjectivity and prejudices in main written and interview, for which academics, not UPSC, are to blame. Baswan sir has addressed this comprehensively. The sooner his recommendations are implemented the better. Total interview marks should be reduced.
Hi seniors, I know this is not the right time to ask this Q but I need your help
I have flunked my 2 prelims bcz of CSAT but i did prepare for mains in my both attempts
Thing is I am Unable to complete my paper in most cases
i have done good amount of ans writing but yet to finish papers(Including socio opt)
so what's the mantra to finish paper with right quality of answers
should we aspire for a ideal preparation where we mostly focus on quality in Test series
but in actual exam this is not the case as I have known from ur shared experience
So plz give some insights how to balance and be feel content with mains preparation
are maharaaj paper finish karne ki chinta mat karo. exam hall me tumhara paper finish ho kar raheg kyuki your mind is on fire. wo fire mock test me nahi lagti, aag esi lagai maza a gaya wali fire. aur csat ke karan bahar hona wo bhi 2 bar is concerning. thoda us par dhyan do, English comprehension ka advantage uthao hena kyuki aajkal maths tough a raha he. baki paper to finish ho jaega...
Jajantaram Mamantaram
Spot on in last points . The academics are biased. Did masters from jnu .Don’t know much about beurecrats and army personnel.Academics of india from any colur of political spectrum live in their own self righteousness shell . They are too rigid to reflect on their own biases and stereotypes. For example
1,Many Asspirants are worried about their handwriting. Surprisingly there sre many toppers with poor hand writing . But ,ones a senior professor from jnu ,told me about the test copies of jnu subjective entrance exam . She said we didn’t even use to read copies with bad hand writing just give poor marks . Whatever upsc does to keep process fair this attitude is what determines our marks .
2 .Ideological biases .Every thinking human being have some ideological tilt . In humanities subject if the professor evaluating your copies ,don’t agree with your ideas . For sure your getting less marks . There are always exceptions but this is the rule. Think of the IR questions or questions on impact of LPG .
@Kenshein Zindagi aur hum sab logon ke beech ke phaasle mitenge aaj ? Xd
Spot on in last points . The academics are biased. Did masters from jnu .Don’t know much about beurecrats and army personnel.Academics of india from any colur of political spectrum live in their own self righteousness shell . They are too rigid to reflect on their own biases and stereotypes. For example
1,Many Asspirants are worried about their handwriting. Surprisingly there sre many toppers with poor hand writing . But ,ones a senior professor from jnu ,told me about the test copies of jnu subjective entrance exam . She said we didn’t even use to read copies with bad hand writing just give poor marks . Whatever upsc does to keep process fair this attitude is what determines our marks .
2 .Ideological biases .Every thinking human being have some ideological tilt . In humanities subject if the professor evaluating your copies ,don’t agree with your ideas . For sure your getting less marks . There are always exceptions but this is the rule. Think of the IR questions or questions on impact of LPG .
Only those who have pursued master' s degree in social sciences at top Universities can appreciate your points. I fully agree with you.
Dear friend, many people despise hearing anything against UPSC, for it harms their subconscious optimism. So I would like to make some points clear.1- UPSC as a constitutional body is a pride of our democracy. Though many tainted persons enter it through political connections, the institution remains largely unaffected by any individual. UPSC conducts exams as fairly as possible. 2- UPSC takes very seriously any issue that affects the fairness of the exam, be it coaching or cramming or language translation or controversial question. UPSC addresses all issues sincerely. I personally sent a representation on 2020 prelims economics question. The question was cancelled as the options were wrong. If that had not been cancelled, I could not have qualified 2020 prelims. 3- UPSC deals with candidates kindly. I forgot to bring photocopies of my original certificates during interview. The staff asked me to appear for interview first without any tension. After interview I was taken to their exam section, they photocopied my certificates in office and returned my certificates. 4- Prelims and mains written logistics preparation is a humongous work. UPSC does it flawlessly well in time. UPSC publishes results in a time bound manner. 5 My only concern is subjectivity and prejudices in main written and interview, for which academics, not UPSC, are to blame. Baswan sir has addressed this comprehensively. The sooner his recommendations are implemented the better. Total interview marks should be reduced.
Brother, my comment was an innocent attempt with sole aim of helping you adopt more pragmatic and even a selfish attitude in order to score well in interview. In real world, more than one’s idealism, playing by the rules of the game matters.
Words ‘overestimating competence’ were not meant to target you personally. And I certainly don’t despise criticism of UPSC.
Hi seniors, I know this is not the right time to ask this Q but I need your help
I have flunked my 2 prelims bcz of CSAT but i did prepare for mains in my both attempts
Thing is I am Unable to complete my paper in most cases
i have done good amount of ans writing but yet to finish papers(Including socio opt)
so what's the mantra to finish paper with right quality of answers
should we aspire for a ideal preparation where we mostly focus on quality in Test series
but in actual exam this is not the case as I have known from ur shared experience
So plz give some insights how to balance and be feel content with mains preparation
Most of the aspects are covered by some members comprehensively. I would like to add something. Have very concise content for each topic of syllabus of all 4 GS papers. By concise, I mean not more than 1 A4 sheet per topic. Cover each topic in format- Intro, Pros, Cons, Examples/Case study and Conclusion. Don’t use more than 2 sources for making these notes. You can refer to syllabus wise compilations of a good coaching institutes. Leave some margin and add only very important current affairs points in thess notes. If you prefer e-notes, that’s even better- helps a lot in editing and re-arranging points.
This is the labour part. More important task is to memorise. Yes, literally mug up these 40-50 sheets. You should be able to reproduce around 75% of the content.
Third aspect is answer writing. Nature of mains is such that there’s almost no time to think while writing. If you follow first two steps, you will have quality content at your disposal. Therefore, need to pause and think will hardly arise while writing. Sometimes, notes may not suffice to answer questions with very narrow scope. You will have to be creative while answering them. With practice, this aspect can be improved.
How many above average answers one must write out of 20Qs to get decent(above 100) marks in GS?
Bhai ye kaisa sawal he, manlo koi 12 bole aur apko 16 above average aate he to kya aap jan bujh kar 12 hi likhoge aur baki 4 kharab likhoge? Bhai sare 20 top quality likhne ki koshish karo aur baki bhagwan bharose chhod do. nishkama karma par focus karo.
Jajantaram Mamantaram
Most of the aspects are covered by some members comprehensively. I would like to add something. Have very concise content for each topic of syllabus of all 4 GS papers. By concise, I mean not more than 1 A4 sheet per topic. Cover each topic in format- Intro, Pros, Cons, Examples/Case study and Conclusion. Don’t use more than 2 sources for making these notes. You can refer to syllabus wise compilations of a good coaching institutes. Leave some margin and add only very important current affairs points in thess notes. If you prefer e-notes, that’s even better- helps a lot in editing and re-arranging points.
This is the labour part. More important task is to memorise. Yes, literally mug up these 40-50 sheets. You should be able to reproduce around 75% of the content.
Third aspect is answer writing. Nature of mains is such that there’s almost no time to think while writing. If you follow first two steps, you will have quality content at your disposal. Therefore, need to pause and think will hardly arise while writing. Sometimes, notes may not suffice to answer questions with very narrow scope. You will have to be creative while answering them. With practice, this aspect can be improved.
Wonderfully said. I found answer building through notes as more important than answer writing especially for predictable topics like security, disaster etc(But you must do answer writing as well)
1. A Good intro & conclusion that can be used anywhere no matter how twisted the question is
2. Densely enriched content : With committees/Data etc. As one of the Forum members had guided us "each word should be pregnant with meaning"
3. High brevity : Write as short as you can with as little words as possible. Long sentences cannot be written in the final answers. Strictly, Write only what you can actually produce in the Mains answer
4. Focus on what is reproducible : This has been the most important thing for me. Please don't rattofy 1000 narrow data sets (It's the duty of Vision, Dipin Sir & MK Yadav to give such stuff but you have to be selective) , rather focus on 100 data sets that can be used across answers. Why? : Because you don't know what kind of question UPSC may ask. Narrow data sets should be learnt only for highly predictable or hot topics in news. Eg - For Agriculture, food processing, NGOs & Security , you can learn even narrow data
P. S : Again no authority TILL MARKS ARE RELEASED. My peers can add to my understanding. I am Posting this now because post result, its going to be a little chaotic and since some of our younger friends are genuinely interested in seeking some form of direction.
Also I believe its my responsibility to give back given that I have benefitted a lot by the posts of members like@Patootie and others (I had saved their comments and read them after prelims once again)
Gaitonde’s Den: https://forumias.com/post/detail/Gaitondes-Den-1727638216
How many above average answers one must write out of 20Qs to get decent(above 100) marks in GS?
14-15 good attempt + 4-5 avg or below avg ang 1-2 name sake attempt generally fetches average marks. For instance around 100 in GS 1 or above 90 in GS3
Most of the aspects are covered by some members comprehensively. I would like to add something. Have very concise content for each topic of syllabus of all 4 GS papers. By concise, I mean not more than 1 A4 sheet per topic. Cover each topic in format- Intro, Pros, Cons, Examples/Case study and Conclusion. Don’t use more than 2 sources for making these notes. You can refer to syllabus wise compilations of a good coaching institutes. Leave some margin and add only very important current affairs points in thess notes. If you prefer e-notes, that’s even better- helps a lot in editing and re-arranging points.
This is the labour part. More important task is to memorise. Yes, literally mug up these 40-50 sheets. You should be able to reproduce around 75% of the content.
Third aspect is answer writing. Nature of mains is such that there’s almost no time to think while writing. If you follow first two steps, you will have quality content at your disposal. Therefore, need to pause and think will hardly arise while writing. Sometimes, notes may not suffice to answer questions with very narrow scope. You will have to be creative while answering them. With practice, this aspect can be improved.
Wonderfully said. I found answer building through notes as more important than answer writing especially for predictable topics like security, disaster etc(But you must do answer writing as well)
I would like to attach a sample for the larger benefit of community
What to look for in the sample above
1. A Good intro & conclusion that can be used anywhere no matter how twisted the question is
2. Densely enriched content : With committees/Data etc. As one of the Forum members had guided us "each word should be pregnant with meaning"
3. High brevity : Write as short as you can with as little words as possible. Long sentences cannot be written in the final answers. Strictly, Write only what you can actually produce in the Mains answer
4. Focus on what is reproducible : This has been the most important thing for me. Please don't rattofy 1000 narrow data sets (It's the duty of Vision, Dipin Sir & MK Yadav to give such stuff but you have to be selective) , rather focus on 100 data sets that can be used across answers. Why? : Because you don't know what kind of question UPSC may ask. Narrow data sets should be learnt only for highly predictable or hot topics in news. Eg - For Agriculture, food processing, NGOs & Security , you can learn even narrow data
P. S : Again no authority TILL MARKS ARE RELEASED. My peers can add to my understanding. I am Posting this now because post result, its going to be a little chaotic and since some of our younger friends are genuinely interested in seeking some form of direction.
Also I believe its my responsibility to give back given that I have benefitted a lot by the posts of members like@Patootie and others (I had saved their comments and read them after prelims once again)
Thanks for sharing these samples. I have a few queries:
1) Have you concised the content from a particular source like vision mag or some CA class notes in IBC format or selecting a topic you've brought in content from multiple sources?
2) A lot of these may not be asked in actual exam so your strategy of ans building is for recurring topics or CA ones?
Most of the aspects are covered by some members comprehensively. I would like to add something. Have very concise content for each topic of syllabus of all 4 GS papers. By concise, I mean not more than 1 A4 sheet per topic. Cover each topic in format- Intro, Pros, Cons, Examples/Case study and Conclusion. Don’t use more than 2 sources for making these notes. You can refer to syllabus wise compilations of a good coaching institutes. Leave some margin and add only very important current affairs points in thess notes. If you prefer e-notes, that’s even better- helps a lot in editing and re-arranging points.
This is the labour part. More important task is to memorise. Yes, literally mug up these 40-50 sheets. You should be able to reproduce around 75% of the content.
Third aspect is answer writing. Nature of mains is such that there’s almost no time to think while writing. If you follow first two steps, you will have quality content at your disposal. Therefore, need to pause and think will hardly arise while writing. Sometimes, notes may not suffice to answer questions with very narrow scope. You will have to be creative while answering them. With practice, this aspect can be improved.
Wonderfully said. I found answer building through notes as more important than answer writing especially for predictable topics like security, disaster etc(But you must do answer writing as well)
I would like to attach a sample for the larger benefit of community
What to look for in the sample above
1. A Good intro & conclusion that can be used anywhere no matter how twisted the question is
2. Densely enriched content : With committees/Data etc. As one of the Forum members had guided us "each word should be pregnant with meaning"
3. High brevity : Write as short as you can with as little words as possible. Long sentences cannot be written in the final answers. Strictly, Write only what you can actually produce in the Mains answer
4. Focus on what is reproducible : This has been the most important thing for me. Please don't rattofy 1000 narrow data sets (It's the duty of Vision, Dipin Sir & MK Yadav to give such stuff but you have to be selective) , rather focus on 100 data sets that can be used across answers. Why? : Because you don't know what kind of question UPSC may ask. Narrow data sets should be learnt only for highly predictable or hot topics in news. Eg - For Agriculture, food processing, NGOs & Security , you can learn even narrow data
P. S : Again no authority TILL MARKS ARE RELEASED. My peers can add to my understanding. I am Posting this now because post result, its going to be a little chaotic and since some of our younger friends are genuinely interested in seeking some form of direction.
Also I believe its my responsibility to give back given that I have benefitted a lot by the posts of members like@Patootie and others (I had saved their comments and read them after prelims once again)
Thanks for sharing these samples. I have a few queries:
1) Have you concised the content from a particular source like vision mag or some CA class notes in IBC format or selecting a topic you've brought in content from multiple sources?
2) A lot of these may not be asked in actual exam so your strategy of ans building is for recurring topics or CA ones?
1. I didn't use Vision at all. I first selected a topic and then made notes by searching relevant articles or anything that I had saved while reading newspapers . For eg - Above is largely from The Hindu & Drishti.
2. A lot will not be asked in exam. UPSC is unpredictable You can do this exercise for syllabus pointers like Security, Disaster Topics like Federalism & HOT topics in CA like Agnipath, James Webb etc. It won't be advisable to do this for entire Vision 365
Gaitonde’s Den: https://forumias.com/post/detail/Gaitondes-Den-1727638216