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[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021

Because of the corona virus issue? If it does not happen then worst affected will be people whose interview is stuck, around 600-700 such people I think are yet to appear for their interview.


@neyawn sir and others, what is your take?

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In hindsight, the policy makers of niti ayog and its regression models have as much credibility as akash chopra and sanjay manjrekars commentary in cricket. In other words,comfortably biased.
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Completely off topic !

Does anyone else struggle to study alone in their rooms and miss the library environment ?
I have seen my productivity dip manifold in the last couple of months. i mean i start early and its all good in the morning sessions. But as the day wears on, i start getting anxious and even panic at times. I never thought that not conversing with people could get to me. But i now realize how important those 5-10 minutes chit chats were in the lobbies of the library. I struggle to calm myself down and despite putting up a good fight through out the day ( ki mein smoke nahi karunga),  i eventually find myself smoking or popping nicotex pills. By evening, my anxiety levels know no bounds and I struggle to get some shut eye.

Very personal thing. but can anyone relate to this ?

If you are struggling to keep yourself calm, then don’t smoke just cigarette but try smoking a “Bhari vali” cigarette.  JK!

P.S.-  I can understand how it feels. Even I have quit smoking on a regular basis but as the D-Day is nearing, due to a kind of pressure to perform well this time, every second evening, there is an urge to light a Sutta. Also, I would like to suggest some things  if you really want to quit smoking completely. Drink as much water as possible, take nicotex( 4mg one) and eat an apple or two  Jab bhi talap uthey. Try going for a run too. See, it is a mental game after all. The moment you will start running, you will realise how worse your stamina regime is and eventually your mind and heart will conclude that you should refrain from smoking when you will run out of breathe while running even half a kilometre. Post few weeks, when your stamina level will increase, you will notice a difference in your retention/memory power too due to better oxygen flow in body. All this will culminate into you experiencing positivity which will again help in preparation. All the best.

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@Agog  bhai ji a lot of it has to do with political will of the people. I don't want to sound rude, but do think about this, how many of us even caste a vote on the basis of what happens at the ground level?

At the end of the day, we also have to realise, that political parties have adopted the "propaganda/foxnews/breitbart Rupert Murdoch Steve bannon" model coz it fucking sells. People don't give a fuck that fellowmen are suffering. They want cheap commercialized drama, like say the whole SSR thing. The death of someone, has been commercialized. Jo log covid mein maids ko 2 3 months ka wages nahi deke bhaga diye wohi log dhumdham se "covid diwali" aka batti jalao celebrate kiya. Ek baat socho, you remember that incident where there was that girl in some station and her mother died and that video became viral, or that case, where that father couldn't go back home in time and his son or daughter passed away? News channels, youtube and so many other platforms made millions in revenue out of the views generated from.the news, out of the clicks, out of the traffic, just out of those 2 news. Had they even shared 5% of the revenue generated of that news with those people these people would have at least jumped out of poverty bracket, wouldn't they? So, they were made a commodity, and sold and profit made out of their sorrow.

Lecturing apart. We live in an apathetic world. A world where we celebrate people like ayn rand. We live in a world where people don't give a fuck about other people and corporates see people as commodities. Unfortunately for us, politicians come from the same gamut of people, they represent "US". 

The problem we have is lack of "good faith governance, economics, policy making", and not of "intellect or capacity"



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@Agog  bhai ji a lot of it has to do with political will of the people. I don't want to sound rude, but do think about this, how many of us even caste a vote on the basis of what happens at the ground level?

At the end of the day, we also have to realise, that political parties have adopted the "propaganda/foxnews/breitbart Rupert Murdoch Steve bannon" model coz it fucking sells. People don't give a fuck that fellowmen are suffering. They want cheap commercialized drama, like say the whole SSR thing. The death of someone, has been commercialized. Jo log covid mein maids ko 2 3 months ka wages nahi deke bhaga diye wohi log dhumdham se "covid diwali" aka batti jalao celebrate kiya. Ek baat socho, you remember that incident where there was that girl in some station and her mother died and that video became viral, or that case, where that father couldn't go back home in time and his son or daughter passed away? News channels, youtube and so many other platforms made millions in revenue out of the views generated from.the news, out of the clicks, out of the traffic, just out of those 2 news. Had they even shared 5% of the revenue generated of that news with those people these people would have at least jumped out of poverty bracket, wouldn't they? So, they were made a commodity, and sold and profit made out of their sorrow.

Lecturing apart. We live in an apathetic world. A world where we celebrate people like ayn rand. We live in a world where people don't give a fuck about other people and corporates see people as commodities. Unfortunately for us, politicians come from the same gamut of people, they represent "US". 

The problem we have is lack of "good faith governance, economics, policy making", and not of "intellect or capacity"



The biggest problem in India and similar countries is the sheer population. Too many people chasing too few resources. This leads to sub par quality whilst having mass quantity in everything from food products to polity and governance. We have a mad rush for competition and one upmanship and are envious naturally when a small fraction of this humomgous population suceeds at anything but the vast majority have mediocre lives that too with 0 quality public infrastructure/support in just about everything. We even had the old bollywood movies justifying this mediocrity written by marxists like hasrat jaipuri potraying the rich guys as villains and the typical working class/mazdoors/coolies as heroes. This thing was firmy entrenched in our psyche just like ancient mythology of the generations previous to them. So there was no real motivation to create/innovate be it in the economic sphere or elsewhere. We all loved this drug of socialism while it lasted till 91(when the then FM had to go with a begging bowl to the IMF and open up unintentionally) and we reproduced like carefree rabbits generating a low level of output and 0 generational wealth for the majority in the decades gone waste. Now simply all of this has gone to another level with the worst of half baked crony capitalism being implemented as a rescue act and will accentuate the problems as the population peaks for the next 2 decades. So this is still the beginning of the rot that is somehow endemic to this once great nation relatively speaking!

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@cat but bhai USA ka covid haal dekho. Population infra ki baat utna nahi hain. Let's be honest, for how so many deaths india and china may not have reported, we have handled covid better than USA, At least till now. Abhi baat to a lot of extent priorities ki hain. Whether you would be ready to insure profits and businesses for the short term and thus throw entire low income population under the Bus, as USA has done, or go for the long term approach. 

I am not a malthusian, in the sense I don't believe population is the problem. Socialism wasn't the drug either. Capitalism has killed millions in the last 2 decades (recessions and covid) and before that in colonialism and neocolonialism. Neoliberal bodies want us to believe there is no solution, but I think they are the problem themselves

On this note, I won't argue with you, coz see we believe in 2 absolutely different schools of thought, so that's how it is


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Meanwhile we overtake US

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Bhailog ..can someone ask arun sax ena ।।what are chances of prelims getting postpone?
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@cat but bhai USA ka covid haal dekho. Population infra ki baat utna nahi hain. Let's be honest, for how so many deaths india and china may not have reported, we have handled covid better than USA, At least till now. Abhi baat to a lot of extent priorities ki hain. Whether you would be ready to insure profits and businesses for the short term and thus throw entire low income population under the Bus, as USA has done, or go for the long term approach. 

I am not a malthusian, in the sense I don't believe population is the problem. Socialism wasn't the drug either. Capitalism has killed millions in the last 2 decades (recessions and covid) and before that in colonialism and neocolonialism. Neoliberal bodies want us to believe there is no solution, but I think they are the problem themselves

On this note, I won't argue with you, coz see we believe in 2 absolutely different schools of thought, so that's how it is


Communism+early Socialism of stalin, mao, Pol pot only have killed more people than ww2 ever could. Capitalism on the other hand is majorly responsible for raising the quality of living/income levels since Industrial revolution. I would add welfare policies/trickle down has also helped but only after the "pie" had gotten bigger(Refer bhagwati v Sen) The share of people living in extreme poverty has drastically reduced in the last 2 centuries relative to those centuries before free markets. This is a well established fact. The vast majority of common people lived a pathetic life throughout the feudal ages and before. Even the famed Greece and Rome of antiquity had 40% of its citizenry as slaves and "plebiaen" life was horrible. Mind you Rome was undoubtedly the pinnacle of the ancient world only comparable to ancient Egypt, greece, China and India. It got even worse in the medieval ages. Today the vast majority is way better off relative to the top 1%(tycoons) than their counterparts vis a vis their 1%(kings+clergy+noblemen)in the ancient and medieval times. Also today's 1% is a changing pool that has superior forces of supply/demand+tech and anyone with the right "setting" can get in/out unlike the olden days of dynastic rule.

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Bhailog ..can someone ask arun sax ena ।।what are chances of prelims getting postpone?

Simple hai if cases are abovs 70k by September(taking recovery data)there's a high chance of no exam till year end. Otherwise lockdown will be lifted and exams conducted.

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@cat quantifiable data is against you.  

On poverty, EAT LANCET commission on sustainable diet has found a minimum of 200 rupees or 2.8 dollars per day requirement. That's higher than the IPL, if you know. Shows us how much of a joke IPL is

World bank has studies aplenty showing how much of a joke trickle down is and that it doesn't even work, but obviously we have hacks like jagdish bhagwati still jumping high on it. 

Atkinson committee on poverty has asked for a movement to "social poverty", and if we fix a line as IPL+ 0.5*median income say bye bye to all poverty indices

Quantifiable data, as I have has shown that NEOLIBERALISM HAS INCREASED POVERTY WORLDWIDE IF WE TAKE CHINA AWAY FROM THE INDICES. In developed countries,<6 childhood poverty has increased

Neoliberal bodies want us to believe that labor reforms must mean going away of all protective measures for employment. But empirically it has been provenremoval of labor laws actually increases exploitation and reduces employment, so such policies are mostly junkyard stuff, sold by crony politician economist nexus to save their corporations


(If link broken, Google "Adascalitei and morano ILO labor laws and employment")

Its sad that even the semblance of relief that we have today in public health care and public health institutions are all relics of nehruvian socialist era and we have added zilch in our "days of growth"

 Data for the above graph  taken from world in inequality database


Trickle down doesn't work:


https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Staff-Discussion-Notes/Issues/2016/12/31/Causes-and-Consequences-of-Income-Inequality-A-Global-Perspective-42986

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@srk121srk25767  As per your e-mail list I had sent the mail to mentioned Govt. Id. My content was



Just received the reply.



You should do as per the reply obtained and file your grievance in the PMO CPGRAMS portal.

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One IBPS exam is scheduled on August 12 though very less number of candidates but will be the first recruitment exam since the lockdown happened


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@cat quantifiable data is against you.  

On poverty, EAT LANCET commission on sustainable diet has found a minimum of 200 rupees or 2.8 dollars per day requirement. That's higher than the IPL, if you know. Shows us how much of a joke IPL is

World bank has studies aplenty showing how much of a joke trickle down is and that it doesn't even work, but obviously we have hacks like jagdish bhagwati still jumping high on it. 

Atkinson committee on poverty has asked for a movement to "social poverty", and if we fix a line as IPL+ 0.5*median income say bye bye to all poverty indices

Quantifiable data, as I have has shown that NEOLIBERALISM HAS INCREASED POVERTY WORLDWIDE IF WE TAKE CHINA AWAY FROM THE INDICES. In developed countries,<6 childhood poverty has increased

Neoliberal bodies want us to believe that labor reforms must mean going away of all protective measures for employment. But empirically it has been provenremoval of labor laws actually increases exploitation and reduces employment, so such policies are mostly junkyard stuff, sold by crony politician economist nexus to save their corporations


(If link broken, Google "Adascalitei and morano ILO labor laws and employment")

Its sad that even the semblance of relief that we have today in public health care and public health institutions are all relics of nehruvian socialist era and we have added zilch in our "days of growth"

 Data for the above graph  taken from world in inequality database


Trickle down doesn't work:


https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Staff-Discussion-Notes/Issues/2016/12/31/Causes-and-Consequences-of-Income-Inequality-A-Global-Perspective-42986

None of this disproves poverty poverty reduction post IR. Labour laws is a separate issue. The argument was based on economic models and their contribution to overall poverty reduction/prosperity. What you repeating is an increase in inequality in capitalism and the garden of eden that nehruvian socialism was. So great and pure that your "hindu" rate of growth was a sub 5%for a whopping 40 odd years! Also at a point of time in the 60s Chinese GDP equalled India's then post 1978 opening up reforms they are now 5x that of India already and an economic giant. Where are we thanks to 45 years of regressive distributive socialism (ironically no growth so what would u distribute in that 0,no?) Anyways proof of the pudding is in the real comparison of India v Chinese models(not Digressive reports on labour refroms or inequality)and we can see with the naked eye the benefits of mere 13 years of early adoption of economic reforms(privatisation, contracting mainly). Now don't say but chinese are "socialist" (they are only on paper though, they have a more capitalist internal and external mkt than ours) or say oh we have better labour laws and environment thanks to Nehru?

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Personally I would prefer a 5% growth rate with most of it going to the poorest rather than 10% with all of it going to the 1%

Too many words, depends on how you define poverty. As I said, eat lancet commission has shown already 2.8 dollars of food requirement for sustainable diet. Yet if you say a dollar a day is poverty reduction, I can't have much to say.

Also, i think on China you are necessarily wrong. A lot of chinas successes is due to a far far better human capital, that developed post GLF, and pre liberalism. Also post liberalism, China has only opened up certain SEZs to globalization. The banking sector, the crucial resources sectors remain closed, and under  close govt control. When capitalists and lobbyists speak about China they forget about the 100s of PSUs that china run till date, some of them just for purpose of employment generation. In globalization, China has had huge economies of scale advantage. It opened up in such sectors that gave it a surplus advantage, but kept sectors that were underdeveloped closed. This has not been for india, where imposed globalization meant opening up most sectors bar agri and dairy, where At least we could achieve food sufficiency. Chinese growth engine was in its human resource. It is still in its human resource. In 90s neoliberal economists used to mock china, in 2000s they said china will be the failure of the century, coz protectionism. 

The rubbish propaganda would call china communist on some days and capitalist on some other, depending on what they want

Meanwhile you really want to see the heavens imposed neoliberalism can create? Check up Washington consensus and its effects on latin america. How it toppled regimes and privatised resources like water. How people came to streets and revolutions happened.

Marcin kalecki had already shown that full employment is very much possible. But it is against the will of capitalists. 




Also, redistribution doesn't depend on growth. It depends on the ownership of growth. Read up on Baran ratio, compare that of India and china with that of USA and come back. 

Also growth depends on demand. Demand depends on expenditure. Expenditure depends on disposable income of household. Disposable income of household depends on wages. Wages, depend on the extent of laws and legal protection. If the major share of output is owned and not redistributed , sooner or later it will lead to secular stagnation and a collapse in growth

What? We have Better labour laws now? What kool aid are you drinking? Please pass on some. Anyways, I would prefer not to respond any further. You need to study a lot more. Please comply.



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@redemption I like your arguments and points. Very well articulated. 
A point I would like to add. Neoliberals are literally short sighted when they talk about unfettered economy. Last we did so, great depression happened. The phase 1950-1980 was a time when welfare state model peaked and we saw inequality going down and people rising out of poverty rapidly. 
But ever Since RAEGAN and Thatcher era came, These classical economists are back calling out state control as bad.
Economic aspect you have covered, I would like to highlight the social impact of this disaster.
Thomas Pikkety quite nicely showed how post 90's Rising inequality has instilled fear and insecurity amongst the masses leading to RW governments all around the world as they provide a sense of security( to the believers). This is inherently unstable. Somewhere down the line, massive uprisings will come up and this neo liberal school will have to pack up.
For example, The existing Black lives Matters protest is not just because of Death of Geoge Floyd. It was just the tipping point. Theu underlying cause for such mass mobilisation is the simmering inequality rising with USA leading the charts.


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Personally I would prefer a 5% growth rate with most of it going to the poorest rather than 10% with all of it going to the 1%

Too many words, depends on how you define poverty. As I said, eat lancet commission has shown already 2.8 dollars of food requirement for sustainable diet. Yet if you say a dollar a day is poverty reduction, I can't have much to say.

Also, i think on China you are necessarily wrong. A lot of chinas successes is due to a far far better human capital, that developed post GLF, and pre liberalism. Also post liberalism, China has only opened up certain SEZs to globalization. The banking sector, the crucial resources sectors remain closed, and under  close govt control. When capitalists and lobbyists speak about China they forget about the 100s of PSUs that china run till date, some of them just for purpose of employment generation. In globalization, China has had huge economies of scale advantage. It opened up in such sectors that gave it a surplus advantage, but kept sectors that were underdeveloped closed. This has not been for india, where imposed globalization meant opening up most sectors bar agri and dairy, where At least we could achieve food sufficiency. Chinese growth engine was in its human resource. It is still in its human resource. In 90s neoliberal economists used to mock china, in 2000s they said china will be the failure of the century, coz protectionism. 

The rubbish propaganda would call china communist on some days and capitalist on some other, depending on what they want

Meanwhile you really want to see the heavens imposed neoliberalism can create? Check up Washington consensus and its effects on latin america. How it toppled regimes and privatised resources like water. How people came to streets and revolutions happened.

Marcin kalecki had already shown that full employment is very much possible. But it is against the will of capitalists. 




Also, redistribution doesn't depend on growth. It depends on the ownership of growth. Read up on Baran ratio, compare that of India and china with that of USA and come back. 

Also growth depends on demand. Demand depends on expenditure. Expenditure depends on disposable income of household. Disposable income of household depends on wages. Wages, depend on the extent of laws and legal protection. If the major share of output is owned and not redistributed , sooner or later it will lead to secular stagnation and a collapse in growth

What? We have Better labour laws now? What kool aid are you drinking? Please pass on some. Anyways, I would prefer not to respond any further. You need to study a lot more. Please comply.



You did have a 5% for most of our post independence existence but that was not transferred to the bottom 10% under the great socialist system who would be their saviour otherwise no? So where does neoliberalism bs come into the picture lol. Demand comes from I+G+X as well not just C. Also how would stifling entrepreneurial activity, restricting free market having laws like MRTP be conducive to demamd really? Also the control of chinese govt sector on economy is negligible. Chinese pvt sector has 80% contribution to GDP, 80% to employment and is a major market top 10player afor both FDI inflow as well as chinese outflow into other markets. China owns a sizeable chunk of US treasury and has a decent investment portfolio world over. Anyways you already have studied everything as a supreme aspirant so chuck it. ATB for getting selected and peace out from a mere mortal😁

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