Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain
The Civils Mains result has been declared. This thread is for sharing your grief , joy , mixed feelings - absolutely anything and everything.
Yar mujhe toh ek din Lahore jaa ke Chole Bhatoore bhi khane hain aur apni Nani ka ghar bhi dekhna hai. Itni hate aur bigotry has neither fetched us anything in the past, nor it ever will. And there are no 'already deep' divisions between the two communities in question, they exist only in the ecosystem that you thrive in! I wish I could lament upon the amity that I have been a witness to at a personal level amidst different communities despite 'the past.'
And@whatonly , RESPECT! 👏
Yar, tu Vox Borders ka India Pakistan wala episode dekh. When kids from India and Pakistan talk to each other through video it's heartwarming :') it's at 12 minutes in the video precisely
I was hoping to not say this because intolerant intellectual are very intolerant of anything criticizing the religion of peace. Also because a few days back i saw a Muslim auto driver go out of his way to help a hindu Covid+ pregnant lady. I've seen a lot of examples of Muslims being more helpful than Hindus.
You probably live in a mostly Hindu state to think of India as Holi and diwali. But in states like kerala, telangana, TN, UP, Bihar, Assam, WB, etc. The picture of India seems a bit different. Crowded Mosque roads on fridays, sea of skull caps and 4 AM wake up call are the norm.
What I mean to say is that the second largest minority is large enough in most state for their backwardness to be of concern to everyone. What Ambedkar said about them in this book http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/index.html#contents still holds true. They still don't believe in real science, just the stuff taught in madatsas. I'm traveling in a train right now. 6 out of 8 people in the cabin and side are Muslims and only I am wearing a mask. May be RSS taught them pseudo science too. Or may be they still believe in the infallibility of very hard sciences mentioned in that book of theirs. They still torture animals because it's halal. What's to say they won't follow the book and try to turn darul harb into darul islam by waging something mentioned in the same book.
Last time partition happened was because they were 23% and religion was more important to them than nation. It still is more so for the educated people working in private sector and even government.
I'm sorry if it sounds rude but by not acknowledging and addressing the backwardness of largest minority, pseudo intellectuals are further deepening the already deep divisions between the two communities.
Narrow reading+ Biased judgements+ Super arrogance= Modern day bigot.
Mr. Whoever you are, if you understood even 1% of what this country is you wouldn't have made such stupid remarks.
You seem to be too interested to quote Ambedkar, Why aren't you bothered about what that man lived for? People like you who quote Ambedkar and ignore the constitution in the same breathe are the biggest misfortunes of this country today.
All you 'observations ' are irritating so better keep it to yourself. Read more and talk less, specially on things you have no idea about.
Knew I was going to be lynched and ostracized the moment I hit submit. So let me apologize for my misguided notions. I was thrown off by empirical evidences. I was clearly wrong.
More muslims leads to a more modern and democratic society, more rights to minorities and women. More socialism leads to more prosperity. Hinduism clearly is the worst religion and all the terror organizations have based their propaganda on Hinduism. We must end Hinduism at once.
When Marx said "religion is the opium of people " he was quite right hai na? Because you seem to be quite high on it. Religion is the central axis of the universe isn't it?
Keep going, no more replies from my side.You don't deserve it.
» hide previous quotesMy original response was about 2 things - identity crisis pe my personal opinion, and glorification of hinduism as something perfect. I agree with you perfectly when you say hinduism is changin gradually. I never contested that. My point is that we are still in a state of flux and during this period of change our multiple identities may come under stress and conflict with eash other leading to identity crisis.
I don’t know if pbm is a hypocrite or stooge of some political masters, that is not what I want to talk about besides uske article mujhe toh smjh nhi aate. My only defence for him was the defence of intellectual freedom to question , probe , scrutinise societal issues, religion etc
Your issue seems to be dont criticise x unless you criticise y and z as well. If that is how we are supposed to proceed then i am never saying rajma chawal sucks unless i also say chole chawal and dal chawal are also not perfect 😂
If you or pbm will try to portray my religion in bad light just because it has some problems,I have every right to compare my religion with other religions on that basis.
When Hindus vote as a group,pbm will cry why Hindus r getting polarised but When Muslims vote as a group,he will term it as victory of secularism.
People like him will cry about how sanskritisation of tribals is happening ,but will not utter a word when missionaries convert the poor tribals en masse , using their rice bag tactics.
So in above cases ,his focus is not on polarization or preserving tribal identify,rather on how to criticize Hindus .
Religion is not rajma chawal ,it is a way of life for us . For u maybe,it is just another commodity like shirt or rajma chawal🤣🤣,that is why u r having an identity crisis perhaps .
You have every right to criticise x ,y or z but if they are living together in a society ,you can't play pick nd choose.
do compare , but be cautious to benchmark with the best not the worst aspects, otherwise it may lead to complacency, stagnation and rigidities like the ones that had come to characterise hinduism during medieval period like caste, superstition, obscurantism.
And this double attitude of labelling groups in not exclusive to hindu- muslim debate, you see the same hypocrisy when backwards vote for any party in group and its called vote bank politics, while when 80% members of an upper caste vote for a party its called vikas.And you can always pick and choose if one group is so dominant that When you think about india the pictire that comes to mind is not of a christian going to church but that do hindu playing holi diwali.80%of higher caste people voting for a lowet caste PM alone should tell you something.
Caste, superstition and other backwardness should be addressed for all the religions equally and immediately. But "intellectualism" in India is interpreted as trashing Hinduism. Putting down Hindus and then keep kicking them. This practice in itself is equally backwards and medieval.
If you want to call yourself intellectual, you should be able to address all the backwardness in society without sounding like a biased elitist.
Ambedkar did it, why can't modern day wannabe intellectuals.
I was hoping to not say this because intolerant intellectual are very intolerant of anything criticizing the religion of peace. Also because a few days back i saw a Muslim auto driver go out of his way to help a hindu Covid+ pregnant lady. I've seen a lot of examples of Muslims being more helpful than Hindus.
You probably live in a mostly Hindu state to think of India as Holi and diwali. But in states like kerala, telangana, TN, UP, Bihar, Assam, WB, etc. The picture of India seems a bit different. Crowded Mosque roads on fridays, sea of skull caps and 4 AM wake up call are the norm.
What I mean to say is that the second largest minority is large enough in most state for their backwardness to be of concern to everyone. What Ambedkar said about them in this book http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/index.html#contents still holds true. They still don't believe in real science, just the stuff taught in madatsas. I'm traveling in a train right now. 6 out of 8 people in the cabin and side are Muslims and only I am wearing a mask. May be RSS taught them pseudo science too. Or may be they still believe in the infallibility of very hard sciences mentioned in that book of theirs. They still torture animals because it's halal. What's to say they won't follow the book and try to turn darul harb into darul islam by waging something mentioned in the same book.
Last time partition happened was because they were 23% and religion was more important to them than nation. It still is more so for the educated people working in private sector and even government.
I'm sorry if it sounds rude but by not acknowledging and addressing the backwardness of largest minority, pseudo intellectuals are further deepening the already deep divisions between the two communities.
thank you very mcuh for elevating my status from an aspirant to intellectual. I didnt know expressing opinion here is synonymous to intellectualism. If you purpose is to improve their socio economic conditions, go ahead and ask the govt to raise the budget of education to 4%, provide scholarship for foreign education, make it mandatory for top educational institutions to have a certain level of diversity in campuses, do everything to find gems like kalam and support them. I dont have any objection to such noble intentions. You have my full support.
I dont know what these terms darul islam etc means, but if its a call for one muslim suprastate, then its a flawed concept - sounds good, doesnt work . I dont see state as a concept for political oganisation being replaced by any other concept in foreseeable future. Arguable asian heartland and gulf are all muslim nations yet the region continues to be the most restive and divided. Bngladesh is a great example of how same religion doesnt mean same interests, India -nepal realtion is also good example. Depsite being majority hindu nations, the relationship has been very difficult to manage.
Or bhai i really feel sad that despite being in majority, despite an apparently pro-hindu government in power, you feel insecure and spend restless nights worrying about a muslim takeover, worrying abut conspiracies by pesudo intellectuals.
I was also not hoping to say this but through your comments you ahve only made the case stronger for that pbm quote. You first said hinduism is the coolest(sense of superiority), then hindus are being put down and being kicked (sense of harm and a sense of weakness). Yhi paradoxical mixtre of sentiment ki to baat kar rha hai wo
and i wont reply on this topic anymore mene jawab de diya hai
Yeah, Yeh baat toh hai when you have pro-hindu govt , dar kis baat ka hai? Abhi bhi dar lag rha toh socho agar congress ya koi aur aagya toh kya karengen?
@whatonly respect for you! for standing against those who are challenging the society we want, for destroying our country with these ideas.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that wasn't my purpose initially. I just wanted to have a conversation about why trashing Hinduism is intellectualism and talking about backwardness of other religions is hate. You have successfully silenced me, i won't be making any comments henceforth. But I want you folks to think, why owaisi talks about killing Hindus and wins elections, why yogi talks about killing muslims and wins elections?
Since we are such a tolerant community. Or may be what i said about tolerant community being very intolerant of any rational criticism of islam was right.
Bye.
babu_bisleri,kartikeybhatt171778
Yar, tu Vox Borders ka India Pakistan wala episode dekh. When kids from India and Pakistan talk to each other through video it's heartwarming :') it's at 12 minutes in the video precisely
Dekh rakha hai maine ye. This and many more like these are heartwarming to the core. When people talk about partition in a casual manner, I get so ticked off. People were butchered from both the sides, there were boys and girls, men and women who had leave their homes forever, their destinies were changed forever by just one line across the map by a man who hadn't even visited India before. And the ones who have gone through partition haven't healed from the trauma it inflicted upon them. The baggage is immense and the most tragic part is, that we the so called woke, educated and rational generation haven't contributed to heal those wounds as expected. Instead humare apne hee raag chal rahe hain aaj bhi. It's just tragic and nothing else! If the horrors of partition cannot teach us the reqd lessons on the horrendous consequences of bigotry and 'my religion is better than yours' syndrome, God knows what will! Though, partition stories on both sides have equal amount of stories of compassion, care and selflessness. I choose to latch onto and associate with the latter!
Yar mujhe toh ek din Lahore jaa ke Chole Bhatoore bhi khane hain aur apni Nani ka ghar bhi dekhna hai. Itni hate aur bigotry has neither fetched us anything in the past, nor it ever will. And there are no 'already deep' divisions between the two communities in question, they exist only in the ecosystem that you thrive in! I wish I could lament upon the amity that I have been a witness to at a personal level amidst different communities despite 'the past.'
And@whatonly , RESPECT! 👏
Yar, tu Vox Borders ka India Pakistan wala episode dekh. When kids from India and Pakistan talk to each other through video it's heartwarming :') it's at 12 minutes in the video precisely
There are many such videos. I once saw a video of 90+ year old man from India who went back to his ancestral home and school in Pakistan. It was covered by Al jazeera.
It's hard to hold back your emotions watching something like that.
babu_bisleri,
first of all, you are not a moderator here . so don't tell people what they should say here nd what not. If something is objectionable ,i m sure moderators will look into nd decide.Here, we all agree on problems but differ greatly on solutions to those problems. Everyone is free to voice his/her opinion ,no matter what the issue is .
Second, his whole argument is about double standards of ''intellectuals'' or whatever . The aim should be to discuss and address the problems of society as a whole most of the times ,rather on focusing on just one religion nd its evils.
For example -when u discuss superstitions nd lack of rationalism - you need to see Indian society as a whole. You can't keep bashing Hindu religion alone for it nd I can't keep bashingMuslims alone for that.
Similarly , it one keeps portraying Hinduism/Islam in poor light by giving example of poor status of women in that particular community ,it would be injustice .you don't want just Hindu women to progress while leaving Muslim women on their own.
If you use all your energy in showing how Vedas , Geeta nd Manu smriti give irrational justifications for caste based discrimination nd poor status of women, while not uttering a word what Quran says about women and non-muslims, it wouldn't do good to our society .
It also doesn't mean that every time you talk about evils of Hinduism , you also have to portray problems of Islam. Not at all. but when someone talks about problems of Muslims ,don't get rattled nd start to give arguments like hate and all. Also, saying that large no. of Muslims are conservative , backwards nd believe in pseudo sciences ,is not a generalization . It also does not mean that they are backwards just because of believing in their religion . They also face stereotypes nd discrimination in the society ,which further leads to their backwardness .
We live in a secular society ,where politicial ,eco and social interests of diff communities are interlinked . If Muslims remain backwards nd only Hindus progress , it would create further problems . As we read in history , how Hindus became more progressive during 19th-20th centuries ,on the other hand Muslims remained conservative and backwards .This was one of the most imp reasons for rise in communalism, along with other imp reasons.
Please don’t read between the lines when there is so much in the lines themselves to read.
I wasn't telling them to not say something here. I was merely suggesting a more receptive platform for it. Given that they have gone so far as to say they feel "lynched" and "ostracized" by the comments here, maybe that is best for them too. (Incredibly tone-deaf words to use in a discussion on religion and caste)
Show me where in that diatribe it said "large number". It was a generalisation, plain and simple. The caveats you have given were not part of the comment I responded to.
How are you speaking of stereotypes and discrimination contributing to backwardness, and defending those same things in the same breath?
I am willing, as I'm sure many of us are, to have a discussion on the causes and solutions for any kind of backwardness. But the comment lacked the understanding and sensitivity needed for such a discussion - it was an inaccurate and provocative rant and I responded to it as such.
It's mighty convenient for people here, to use Ambekdar or Carl Sagan as step ladder to put their tilted arguments without seeing them in totality.
They say don't pick and choose yet they show you only the half the context.
There is the deep and appealing notion that the universe is but the dream of the god who, after a hundred Brahma years, dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep. The universe dissolves with him—until, after another Brahma century, he stirs, recomposes himself and begins again to dream the great cosmic dream. Meanwhile, elsewhere, there are an infinite number of other universes, each with its own god dreaming the cosmic dream. These great ideas are tempered by another, perhaps still greater.It is said that men may not be the dreams of the gods, but rather that the gods are the dreams of men.
You guys have read the first half right am sure, now the second half.
Now for B.R. Ambekdar he also said this
On November 4, 1948, Dr. Ambedkar had cautioned future India withthese words "To diehards who have developed a kind of fanaticism against minority protection I would like to say two things.One is that minorities are an ex-plosive force which, if it erupts,can blow up the whole fabric of the State... The other is that the minorities in India have agreed to place their existence in the hands of the majority... It is for the majority to realize its duty not to discriminate against minorities.
And this
Notwithstanding the crumbling state of Hindu society, these leaders will nevertheless unblushingly appeal to ideals of the past which have in every way ceased to have any connection with the present—ideals which, however suitable they might have been in the days of their origin, have now become a warning rather than a guide.They still have a mystic respect for the earlier forms which makes them disinclined—nay, opposed—to any examination of the foundations of their society.The Hindu masses are of course incredibly heedless in the formation of their beliefs. But so are the Hindu leaders.Andwhat is worse is that these Hindu leaders become filled with an illicit passion for their beliefs when anyone proposes to rob them of their companionship.
Now dont you @ me for I simply don't want to engage with someone who is so absolute in their stance they care for nothing else.
Remember people, only the sith deals in absolute.
@thesleepyhead @sstarrr guys i have not done anything to deserve respect. Kaam toh aage jaake karna hai :)
kartikeybhatt171778,
I was hoping to not say this because intolerant intellectual are very intolerant of anything criticizing the religion of peace. Also because a few days back i saw a Muslim auto driver go out of his way to help a hindu Covid+ pregnant lady. I've seen a lot of examples of Muslims being more helpful than Hindus.
You probably live in a mostly Hindu state to think of India as Holi and diwali. But in states like kerala, telangana, TN, UP, Bihar, Assam, WB, etc. The picture of India seems a bit different. Crowded Mosque roads on fridays, sea of skull caps and 4 AM wake up call are the norm.
What I mean to say is that the second largest minority is large enough in most state for their backwardness to be of concern to everyone. What Ambedkar said about them in this book http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/index.html#contents still holds true. They still don't believe in real science, just the stuff taught in madatsas. I'm traveling in a train right now. 6 out of 8 people in the cabin and side are Muslims and only I am wearing a mask. May be RSS taught them pseudo science too. Or may be they still believe in the infallibility of very hard sciences mentioned in that book of theirs. They still torture animals because it's halal. What's to say they won't follow the book and try to turn darul harb into darul islam by waging something mentioned in the same book.
Last time partition happened was because they were 23% and religion was more important to them than nation. It still is more so for the educated people working in private sector and even government.
I'm sorry if it sounds rude but by not acknowledging and addressing the backwardness of largest minority, pseudo intellectuals are further deepening the already deep divisions between the two communities.
Narrow reading+ Biased judgements+ Super arrogance= Modern day bigot.
Mr. Whoever you are, if you understood even 1% of what this country is you wouldn't have made such stupid remarks.
You seem to be too interested to quote Ambedkar, Why aren't you bothered about what that man lived for? People like you who quote Ambedkar and ignore the constitution in the same breathe are the biggest misfortunes of this country today.
All you 'observations ' are irritating so better keep it to yourself. Read more and talk less, specially on things you have no idea about.
Bolt bhai , dont run too fast to use terms like 'biggest misfortunes of this country' 'modern day bigots' etc.
Say whatever u have to but plz refrain from such adjectives- at least on this platform
Thanks
I am sorry if you felt so.
@KratosOfPUBG whats wrong with a sea of skull caps brother? How does that bother you?
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