Civil Services Mains 2020 Results: In or Out ? Way ahead, gratitude and Pain
The Civils Mains result has been declared. This thread is for sharing your grief , joy , mixed feelings - absolutely anything and everything.
@ashish854 From 13 sports in 2012 to 18, 83 participants in 2012 to 120 now. I’ll consider these as positive changes. Medals would eventually follow but I’m happy to see that participation and facilities are improving. But like always, people will see the stats they want to see.
It is good, but Medal tally from 6 in 2012 to 2 in 2016 and if now not more than 6, can do harm than these positives.
Medals have that power to transform sporting scenario, because that makes us to believe that we can win. Otherwise the "craze" around sports won't develop. For Example- While Neeraj Chopra is good at what he is doing, but if he wins the medal, that would change the things as common people will get to know about the sports and his journey. (It may not be true in all cases). And in times of Social media it can be a true game changer.
So I hope not only contingent size but medals also grow in number.
D503,
No one here was praising any party or government, simply saying that there have been positive improvements. The governments aren’t responsible if the players lose, and they aren’t the reason if they win. Their only duty is to provide an environment that helps you grow. Despite it being a state subject the central government is giving proper focus to it.
There have been disappointments but not because it’s a governmental fault. The government promised improvement and they delivered. Somehow some people are more concerned with how many medals Congress won and how many did BJP win. And of course to these people olympics are the only sporting events that matter, that too because they were simply looking to ‘prove’ a point.
As an aside, to everyone who feels that because we haven't won medals it is because of X, Y or Z, we have to appreciate that qualifying for olympics itself is often an achievement. In fact, it is probably a better metric of measuring progress since it considers rankings over a longer time for most sports. This reduces the element of luck and gives us the right picture about their skills.
About the medals, we need to realise it is not like other countries and athletes are waiting for us to catch up. They are all still working as hard as they were earlier, if not more. It will take time to compensate for the differential but it will happen just like it is happening in other sectors. As a nation, our priorities for the first 70 years have been different (and probably will remain so in the near future) than the developed world because of our different trajectories. Citizen led development of the sports ecosystem seems to be the right way ahead!
sstarrr,sjerngal
D503,EiChanAs an aside, to everyone who feels that because we haven't won medals it is because of X, Y or Z, we have to appreciate that qualifying for olympics itself is often an achievement. In fact, it is probably a better metric of measuring progress since it considers rankings over a longer time for most sports. This reduces the element of luck and gives us the right picture about their skills.
About the medals, we need to realise it is not like other countries and athletes are waiting for us to catch up. They are all still working as hard as they were earlier, if not more. It will take time to compensate for the differential but it will happen just like it is happening in other sectors. As a nation, our priorities for the first have been different (and probably will remain so in the near future) than the developed world because of our different trajectories. Citizen led development of the sports ecosystem seems to be the right way ahead!
We all are appreciative of the fact that India is doing great. This time we had so many probable medal contenders which we in earlier times did not have and we still have chances.
However my indication was not towards any govt but about the overall structure or the 'system' about how it functions. As someone pointed out, if we remain constant with 2 medals or 3 medals, its going to be a harm to what you call a citizen lead developement of sport ecosystem. Its really about success through these games which will actually allow parents to consider their child for sports.
I really appreciate how this present govt is sending our players to different countries for traning , we have trainers from around the world and the infrastructure improvement. This has reflected upon the perfomance of our players not only at the olympics but in other events as well in world championships etc.
But there were some issues this time and my whole point was giving importance to the players and his needs. If his needs are fulfilled , very basic ones and he is given support he/she ought to do good.
The games aren't over yet. The likes of Bajrang Punia, Vinesh Phogat, Neeraj Chopra are yet to begin their campaign. The boxers are looking good too. There will surely be a surprise win somewhere else. So, hold your horses @ashish854
Archand,
We all are appreciative of the fact that India is doing great. This time we had so many probable medal contenders which we in earlier times did not have and we still have chances.
However my indication was not towards any govt but about the overall structure or the 'system' about how it functions. As someone pointed out, if we remain constant with 2 medals or 3 medals, its going to be a harm to what you call a citizen lead developement of sport ecosystem. Its really about success through these games which will actually allow parents to consider their child for sports.
I really appreciate how this present govt is sending our players to different countries for traning , we have trainers from around the world and the infrastructure improvement. This has reflected upon the perfomance of our players not only at the olympics but in other events as well in world championships etc.
But there were some issues this time and my whole point was giving importance to the players and his needs. If his needs are fulfilled , very basic ones and he is given support he/she ought to do good.
Yes, I do agree that the shock and awe effect or medal wins cannot be replicated with anything else. Hopefully we will get more medal winners in the days to come!
I did not mean to say you were against this government or that government. In fact, I believe that there is only so much a single government can do. Growth in sports will come only when the larger society gets energised and hence the medals are important. My point was that we need to recognise the progress that our athletes have made, specially since a lot of them are facing flak after their far from ideal performances.
Like I said earlier, I think a certain set of problems with sports institutions will go away if politicisation of sports administration stops. This has been present since at least the last 50 years and we have seen that it doesn't really work. Surely if more sportsmen-administrators are involved, then the needs of players will be better taken care of. Fingers crossed!
As an aside, to everyone who feels that because we haven't won medals it is because of X, Y or Z, we have to appreciate that qualifying for olympics itself is often an achievement. In fact, it is probably a better metric of measuring progress since it considers rankings over a longer time for most sports. This reduces the element of luck and gives us the right picture about their skills.
About the medals, we need to realise it is not like other countries and athletes are waiting for us to catch up. They are all still working as hard as they were earlier, if not more. It will take time to compensate for the differential but it will happen just like it is happening in other sectors. As a nation, our priorities for the first have been different (and probably will remain so in the near future) than the developed world because of our different trajectories. Citizen led development of the sports ecosystem seems to be the right way ahead!
We all are appreciative of the fact that India is doing great. This time we had so many probable medal contenders which we in earlier times did not have and we still have chances.
However my indication was not towards any govt but about the overall structure or the 'system' about how it functions. As someone pointed out, if we remain constant with 2 medals or 3 medals, its going to be a harm to what you call a citizen lead developement of sport ecosystem. Its really about success through these games which will actually allow parents to consider their child for sports.
I really appreciate how this present govt is sending our players to different countries for traning , we have trainers from around the world and the infrastructure improvement. This has reflected upon the perfomance of our players not only at the olympics but in other events as well in world championships etc.
But there were some issues this time and my whole point was giving importance to the players and his needs. If his needs are fulfilled , very basic ones and he is given support he/she ought to do good.
Yes, I do agree that the shock and awe effect or medal wins cannot be replicated with anything else. Hopefully we will get more medal winners in the days to come!
I did not mean to say you were against this government or that government. In fact, I believe that there is only so much a single government can do. Growth in sports will come only with the larger society gets energised and hence the medals are important.
Like I said earlier, I think a certain set of problems with sports institutions will go away if politicisation of sports administration stops. This has been present since at least the last 50 years and we have seen that it doesn't really work. Surely if more sportsmen-administrators are involved, then the needs of players will be better taken care of. Fingers crossed!
Yeah. We really need sportsmen-administrators. We really can't have people like IAS or some political leaders being the administrators. They actually drain down efforts put by our players and coaches.
And apart from this and little off topic my wisdom tooth is appearing. Any suggestions to how to tone down the pain associated? Anyone.
Archand,
Archand,https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bjp-mps-walk-out-of-standing-committee-on-it/article35570210.ece?https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/parliamentary-panel-not-allowed-to-discuss-pegasus/article35588921.ece?
imagine a country where a minister is snooped upon and still government is not interested in knowing who did it? someone's running agestapoand media, elites, opposition, judiciary, everyone is either mute or helpless. sometimes i wonder how is it that no hitler was born in this country, given the meekness and proclivity for falling under someone's feet there should have been atleast a handful of dictators by now. but we only got 2. maybe thanks to caste and lingusitic division (paradoxically).
EiChan,ashish854
As an aside, to everyone who feels that because we haven't won medals it is because of X, Y or Z, we have to appreciate that qualifying for olympics itself is often an achievement. In fact, it is probably a better metric of measuring progress since it considers rankings over a longer time for most sports. This reduces the element of luck and gives us the right picture about their skills.
About the medals, we need to realise it is not like other countries and athletes are waiting for us to catch up. They are all still working as hard as they were earlier, if not more. It will take time to compensate for the differential but it will happen just like it is happening in other sectors. As a nation, our priorities for the first have been different (and probably will remain so in the near future) than the developed world because of our different trajectories. Citizen led development of the sports ecosystem seems to be the right way ahead!
We all are appreciative of the fact that India is doing great. This time we had so many probable medal contenders which we in earlier times did not have and we still have chances.
However my indication was not towards any govt but about the overall structure or the 'system' about how it functions. As someone pointed out, if we remain constant with 2 medals or 3 medals, its going to be a harm to what you call a citizen lead developement of sport ecosystem. Its really about success through these games which will actually allow parents to consider their child for sports.
I really appreciate how this present govt is sending our players to different countries for traning , we have trainers from around the world and the infrastructure improvement. This has reflected upon the perfomance of our players not only at the olympics but in other events as well in world championships etc.
But there were some issues this time and my whole point was giving importance to the players and his needs. If his needs are fulfilled , very basic ones and he is given support he/she ought to do good.
Yes, I do agree that the shock and awe effect or medal wins cannot be replicated with anything else. Hopefully we will get more medal winners in the days to come!
I did not mean to say you were against this government or that government. In fact, I believe that there is only so much a single government can do. Growth in sports will come only with the larger society gets energised and hence the medals are important.
Like I said earlier, I think a certain set of problems with sports institutions will go away if politicisation of sports administration stops. This has been present since at least the last 50 years and we have seen that it doesn't really work. Surely if more sportsmen-administrators are involved, then the needs of players will be better taken care of. Fingers crossed!
Yeah. We really need sportsmen-administrators. We really can't have people like IAS or some political leaders being the administrators. They actually drain down efforts put by our players and coaches.
And apart from this and little off topic my wisdom tooth is appearing. Any suggestions to how to tone down the pain associated? Anyone.
Ouch. That must hurt. Clove might help with the pain.
sstarrr,
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