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[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021

Because of the corona virus issue? If it does not happen then worst affected will be people whose interview is stuck, around 600-700 such people I think are yet to appear for their interview.


@neyawn sir and others, what is your take?

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Nikitasaid

@hound I don't think so. But then we now have PM Modi. He is a little tech-savvy and cares for public perception and social media . So you never know. 


Ok. Yes, perhaps.

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Relax people, Prelims will be postponed. We are currently facing an unprecedented situation where the whole world has been shut down. We won't see prelims happening until public transport, lodging/boarding and restaurants are back to normal functioning. And that will take some-time considering the limit of our medical infrastructure at this moment. 


The reason why UPSC is not making any decisions right now is because it has no idea about what will happen after 3rd of May. It is waiting for the central government to provide more clarity on it. Once things are clear about where India will head after 3rd of May, UPSC will give sufficient time for us to overcome the inconvenience caused and then reschedule the dates accordingly (That is what the MoS for DoPT has reiterated in all his interviews regarding this issue). 


 But that doesn't mean that we chill and wait for things to happen. Let's assume that prelims is on May 31st and prepare accordingly. Any extension is bonus and we can then utilize that accordingly. 


Try to be at peace and prepare with full pace. :) 

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Anyone who has given the interview and not read a single word for prelims till now?

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Anyone who has given the interview and not read a single word for prelims till now?

most of us. i was preparing before my interview, but nothing AFTER my interview. :(

and now everything is looking lost!

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pizzzasaid

Relax people, Prelims will be postponed. We are currently facing an unprecedented situation where the whole world has been shut down. We won't see prelims happening until public transport, lodging/boarding and restaurants are back to normal functioning. And that will take some-time considering the limit of our medical infrastructure at this moment. 


The reason why UPSC is not making any decisions right now is because it has no idea about what will happen after 3rd of May. It is waiting for the central government to provide more clarity on it. Once things are clear about where India will head after 3rd of May, UPSC will give sufficient time for us to overcome the inconvenience caused and then reschedule the dates accordingly (That is what the MoS for DoPT has reiterated in all his interviews regarding this issue). 


 But that doesn't mean that we chill and wait for things to happen. Let's assume that prelims is on May 31st and prepare accordingly. Any extension is bonus and we can then utilize that accordingly. 


Try to be at peace and prepare with full pace. :) 

+1 Prelims will be postponed. But that should not be an excuse to postpone one's prelims preparation. Atleast till 3-5th may !

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Anyone who has given the interview and not read a single word for prelims till now?

most of us. i was preparing before my interview, but nothing AFTER my interview. :(

and now everything is looking lost!

Think of those who have their interviews pending !! 

Arrokoth,goldberry
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Anyone who has given the interview and not read a single word for prelims till now?

most of us. i was preparing before my interview, but nothing AFTER my interview. :(

and now everything is looking lost!

Think of those who have their interviews pending !! 

yes sir. the only people who are in worse position than those who have appeared for interview and are wasting time waiting for results are the ones who are waiting for the interview itself!!!!

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houndsaid

why are people not considering the logistical problems?

*the paper needs to be set.
*paper needs to be printed.
*printed paper needs to reach all centres.
*centres which are government school need to be ready(some schools are being used as quarantine centres).
*people need to travel to centre cities

Other UPSC exam notifications and processes are postponed. Admit card usually comes by end of April. I guess we will know it then.

If a govt. can counter a disease with this force and mechanism, trust me, what you're questioning might not take much from them. Govt. imposed restrictions in a snap, it can remove them in a flash.

I feel everything else can be done while following certain norms to prevent the infection but when it comes to people travelling to centre cities there might be a very slight problem. But, I think it can be overcome by giving students enough time to move by making admit cards out a little earlier. Personal opinion, schools cannot be centres of quarantines till 31st May. schools don't have quarantine like facilities, so using them for capacity upgrade is not much viable. Other options, dharamshala, community halls, banquets etc. are better. 

But, a little larger question they face would be , do we need to conduct the exam on 31stMay2020?

Economists would suggest, Yes. Politicians might suggest, No.

And, I see economists winning here, because such exams lead to expenditure and demand creation in the economy, remember how fiscal expenditure can help in recession and slowdown (Keynesian thought). These exams would be important to all lower economic classes which are bearing the burden of this lockdown.

Let's say, a candidate would spend atleast 10₹ to exam centre and 50₹ there , exam happens in two shifts. Taking last year figure, 8lakh people appeared for prelims, 60*8lakhs ~4.8 crore. And you know my nos. are not realistic, so yes, a significant amount would be spent by candidates all across India.

Politicians would say no , due to popular pressure due to sensitivity, social distancing dilemma. But, social distancing can be maintained at individual exam centres by allocating more no. of centres and health norms. All candidates wouldn't be taking exam at one centre, so it looks feasible, if you look from micro level.

Disjointed thought, many central ministries have opened today amid lockdown extension speculation, in that light, all future bureaucrats must be ready for the CSE atleast. 



https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/economy-needs-a-major-stimulus-finance-panel/story-khSCPZRiAEdtiV3cQyUXMP_amp.html

Politicians and Economists suggestions taken. Economists (~economics) leading. It would be interesting to see what are "vehicles of this financial assistance" in sixth para. that Chairman Finance Commission is also asking, would be.

I ,personally, wouldn't be surprised if all India exams (UPSC, NEET, JEE Mains etc.) are part of it as these can have better penetration into the economy and can hit right chords.

My reason

Urban areas don't have schemes like MNREGA, others. Also, these schemes are spatially specific in rural areas too. Since, India's MSME sector is ~111 million (~11crore) , it would be really tough for anyone to absorb them into such schemes too. So, the vehicle of financial assistance has to be really comprehensive and more penetrating. That's why I said, such exams are a definite policy instrument.

Adding on, urban poor people would be hurt more as rurals are self reliant to varying degrees.

Our BPL line is ~1400-1500₹ monthly (for urban, correct me if wrong) from C Rangrajan committee estimates. If 3 exams are conducted and if one guy earns 500₹ (which I think is practically feasible), his monthly income to sustain is provided (atleast according to govt., which according to me is fine provided they get PDS supplies).

Markets have been opened. Let's see, if demand gets created or not. I personally think, it can't be created by itself, though I hope that's not the case. News of social frustration this week among them would be a proxy indicator.

Adding on, creating new vehicles of assistance would come at a cost, which govt. might not want to incur (Budget constraints, time investment, not many long term uses etc.). One example where it got created : UP giving 1000₹ + Raashan to migrants when they come back home ,but, such opportunities are rare, you can't make them come and go again and again. 

Anyway, Delhi Metro plan is ready too.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/after-delhi-metro-opens-you-may-be-denied-ride-without-mask-aarogya-setu-pass/amp-11587649373682.html

Rephrasing original question to, what are chances of prelims being on time? There are and it would be strategic than a popular choice. UPSC can increase one attempt for everyone for compensation of this year (though that would not be perfect but these aren't normal times). If not, it wouldn't be too late. Saying it again, views are personal but I'm open to arguments and questions which are 'n' in numbers. I'm open to questions like "this is a public health emergence, you dumbo are thinking about economy" but please ask.

Lastly, I just want to point out, if this is worse than Great Depression (like many pointing out), I feel, the measures have to be really strict and strategic. And before any of that, we, the citizens, need to internalize it for our own benefit and society as a whole. If not taken, the situation can really hurt us. Let's not file 'n' emotional petitions with same demands, only one can do. The govt. knows the situation already. Please, let panic dissipate and reality sink in. These are tough times. Let's prepare. Peace.


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By this is he signalling that exam is postponed? 

HotBloodPrince,
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@hound I agree with the economic point but the immediate outcome of holding the exam can worsen the public emergency. 

Its almost impossible to maintain social distancing norms in exam centers - look at how markets are running and people are still gathering at religious places. Also, schools will remain as quarantine centers because we barely have any other option. When the lock down ends up, government will need to arrange for more such centers. 

Also, it can be lethal to hold exams in cities like Mumbai, Indore, etc. If people move from one area to another in these areas, it can spread the cases in other areas as well. 
parle ji_,
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Wow, people are coming out with well articulated, technical and very sophisticated arguments to support feasibility of exam on May 31st. I wish things to be miraculously normal soon. But boss, it's not gonna happen. Simple thing is SCHOOLS are not available, (few states already shut them till June), PUBLIC TRASPORT is not gonna resume anytime sooner, ADMINISTRATION (staff, police etc) is busy elsewhere and there is serious possibility of COMMUNITY SPREAD, and last thing UPSC is just a tiny organization(stop treating it like a god) which lacks capacity to conduct exam in current scenario.

So it has to be postponed, nonetheless 'Padhai jaari rakho, aaj nahi to Kal exam to dena hi hai'.


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@Subbu his statement was deliberately vague I feel. UPSC as a constitutional body maintains a certain degree of autonomy, and as such ministry doesn't play a very active role in its day to day functioning. I saw on Google that in 2014 also ministry asked UPSC to delay prelims, but Prelims was held on the scheduled date only. 
Public pressure was building on him to respond, especially wrt SSC for which there are more applicants. So his statement maybe correct for SSC aspirants,but for us unless there's a notification from UPSC, there's no such change


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https://www.jagranjosh.com/articles/ssc-2020-important-notification-released-for-ssc-chsl-tier1-ssc-je-paper1-other-postponed-exam-dates-1587042268-1

SSC postponed its exams,read the statement,its logical and clear.And please use common sense and be street smart not a conspiracy theorist.UPSC demands common sense and street smartness for cracking.

BeingStoic,Gargi__
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https://www.jagranjosh.com/articles/ssc-2020-important-notification-released-for-ssc-chsl-tier1-ssc-je-paper1-other-postponed-exam-dates-1587042268-1

SSC postponed its exams,read the statement,its logical and clear.And please use common sense and be street smart not a conspiracy theorist.UPSC demands common sense and street smartness for cracking.

Hello,

Please avoid using language that passes opinion on others. We are here to debate, not to assign adjectives to each other. That is not how we talk here. 

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@rootnot to demean anyone,just wanted everyone to calm down.Read and analyse.We should not be touchy and sensitive,of course everyone locked in houses for a month so obvious that we brain loses clarity.Its basic psychology,confinement messes up mind.So please,no offense and be logical and factual.Keep feelings in control and everyone is on the edge,so calm down guys.Keep calm,SSC and RBI have taken logical decision and UPSC will do that too.As even my Centre is at Delhi and that place is a hotspot and thus many like me will be there.So keep calm and do not be touchy as 11 year old brat.


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houndsaid

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why are people not considering the logistical problems?

*the paper needs to be set.
*paper needs to be printed.
*printed paper needs to reach all centres.
*centres which are government school need to be ready(some schools are being used as quarantine centres).
*people need to travel to centre cities

Other UPSC exam notifications and processes are postponed. Admit card usually comes by end of April. I guess we will know it then.

If a govt. can counter a disease with this force and mechanism, trust me, what you're questioning might not take much from them. Govt. imposed restrictions in a snap, it can remove them in a flash.

I feel everything else can be done while following certain norms to prevent the infection but when it comes to people travelling to centre cities there might be a very slight problem. But, I think it can be overcome by giving students enough time to move by making admit cards out a little earlier. Personal opinion, schools cannot be centres of quarantines till 31st May. schools don't have quarantine like facilities, so using them for capacity upgrade is not much viable. Other options, dharamshala, community halls, banquets etc. are better. 

But, a little larger question they face would be , do we need to conduct the exam on 31stMay2020?

Economists would suggest, Yes. Politicians might suggest, No.

And, I see economists winning here, because such exams lead to expenditure and demand creation in the economy, remember how fiscal expenditure can help in recession and slowdown (Keynesian thought). These exams would be important to all lower economic classes which are bearing the burden of this lockdown.

Let's say, a candidate would spend atleast 10₹ to exam centre and 50₹ there , exam happens in two shifts. Taking last year figure, 8lakh people appeared for prelims, 60*8lakhs ~4.8 crore. And you know my nos. are not realistic, so yes, a significant amount would be spent by candidates all across India.

Politicians would say no , due to popular pressure due to sensitivity, social distancing dilemma. But, social distancing can be maintained at individual exam centres by allocating more no. of centres and health norms. All candidates wouldn't be taking exam at one centre, so it looks feasible, if you look from micro level.

Disjointed thought, many central ministries have opened today amid lockdown extension speculation, in that light, all future bureaucrats must be ready for the CSE atleast. 



https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/economy-needs-a-major-stimulus-finance-panel/story-khSCPZRiAEdtiV3cQyUXMP_amp.html

Politicians and Economists suggestions taken. Economists (~economics) leading. It would be interesting to see what are "vehicles of this financial assistance" in sixth para. that Chairman Finance Commission is also asking, would be.

I ,personally, wouldn't be surprised if all India exams (UPSC, NEET, JEE Mains etc.) are part of it as these can have better penetration into the economy and can hit right chords.

My reason

Urban areas don't have schemes like MNREGA, others. Also, these schemes are spatially specific in rural areas too. Since, India's MSME sector is ~111 million (~11crore) , it would be really tough for anyone to absorb them into such schemes too. So, the vehicle of financial assistance has to be really comprehensive and more penetrating. That's why I said, such exams are a definite policy instrument.

Adding on, urban poor people would be hurt more as rurals are self reliant to varying degrees.

Our BPL line is ~1400-1500₹ monthly (for urban, correct me if wrong) from C Rangrajan committee estimates. If 3 exams are conducted and if one guy earns 500₹ (which I think is practically feasible), his monthly income to sustain is provided (atleast according to govt., which according to me is fine provided they get PDS supplies).

Markets have been opened. Let's see, if demand gets created or not. I personally think, it can't be created by itself, though I hope that's not the case. News of social frustration this week among them would be a proxy indicator.

Adding on, creating new vehicles of assistance would come at a cost, which govt. might not want to incur (Budget constraints, time investment, not many long term uses etc.). One example where it got created : UP giving 1000₹ + Raashan to migrants when they come back home ,but, such opportunities are rare, you can't make them come and go again and again. 

Anyway, Delhi Metro plan is ready too.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/after-delhi-metro-opens-you-may-be-denied-ride-without-mask-aarogya-setu-pass/amp-11587649373682.html

Rephrasing original question to, what are chances of prelims being on time? There are and it would be strategic than a popular choice. UPSC can increase one attempt for everyone for compensation of this year (though that would not be perfect but these aren't normal times). If not, it wouldn't be too late. Saying it again, views are personal but I'm open to arguments and questions which are 'n' in numbers. I'm open to questions like "this is a public health emergence, you dumbo are thinking about economy" but please ask.

Lastly, I just want to point out, if this is worse than Great Depression (like many pointing out), I feel, the measures have to be really strict and strategic. And before any of that, we, the citizens, need to internalize it for our own benefit and society as a whole. If not taken, the situation can really hurt us. Let's not file 'n' emotional petitions with same demands, only one can do. The govt. knows the situation already. Please, let panic dissipate and reality sink in. These are tough times. Let's prepare. Peace.


Carrying forward your point of centrality to economics, there’s a concept call “economic threshold”. It is used in agriculture, when the potential damage to crops due to pest is more than than the holistic cost incurred on applying pesticide, that’s when pest management is undertaken. 


I think there’ll be a time soon when economic threshold should factor in public policy (and discourse) in India vis a vis Corona management. At some point holistic cost of lockdown will exceed the holistic cost of allowing normalcy, hence sustained lockdown isn’t a prudent choice in the long run. Sustained lockdown will have bearing on growth-employment , which brings about poverty- death/suicide- chronic disease (chronicled during Great Depression and 2008 financial crisis). 


Coming to your point of economics of exams, in theory I agree with you. Your point makes sense in terms of exams adding to economy, but I am not sure if that would be the reason for deciding prelims date (just my assumption, no fact based opinion). I feel the decision of exam will be backed by :-

1. Feasibility- logistical aspects 

2. Public health concern

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rashivsaid

houndsaid

houndsaid

why are people not considering the logistical problems?

*the paper needs to be set.
*paper needs to be printed.
*printed paper needs to reach all centres.
*centres which are government school need to be ready(some schools are being used as quarantine centres).
*people need to travel to centre cities

Other UPSC exam notifications and processes are postponed. Admit card usually comes by end of April. I guess we will know it then.

If a govt. can counter a disease with this force and mechanism, trust me, what you're questioning might not take much from them. Govt. imposed restrictions in a snap, it can remove them in a flash.

I feel everything else can be done while following certain norms to prevent the infection but when it comes to people travelling to centre cities there might be a very slight problem. But, I think it can be overcome by giving students enough time to move by making admit cards out a little earlier. Personal opinion, schools cannot be centres of quarantines till 31st May. schools don't have quarantine like facilities, so using them for capacity upgrade is not much viable. Other options, dharamshala, community halls, banquets etc. are better. 

But, a little larger question they face would be , do we need to conduct the exam on 31stMay2020?

Economists would suggest, Yes. Politicians might suggest, No.

And, I see economists winning here, because such exams lead to expenditure and demand creation in the economy, remember how fiscal expenditure can help in recession and slowdown (Keynesian thought). These exams would be important to all lower economic classes which are bearing the burden of this lockdown.

Let's say, a candidate would spend atleast 10₹ to exam centre and 50₹ there , exam happens in two shifts. Taking last year figure, 8lakh people appeared for prelims, 60*8lakhs ~4.8 crore. And you know my nos. are not realistic, so yes, a significant amount would be spent by candidates all across India.

Politicians would say no , due to popular pressure due to sensitivity, social distancing dilemma. But, social distancing can be maintained at individual exam centres by allocating more no. of centres and health norms. All candidates wouldn't be taking exam at one centre, so it looks feasible, if you look from micro level.

Disjointed thought, many central ministries have opened today amid lockdown extension speculation, in that light, all future bureaucrats must be ready for the CSE atleast. 



https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/economy-needs-a-major-stimulus-finance-panel/story-khSCPZRiAEdtiV3cQyUXMP_amp.html

Politicians and Economists suggestions taken. Economists (~economics) leading. It would be interesting to see what are "vehicles of this financial assistance" in sixth para. that Chairman Finance Commission is also asking, would be.

I ,personally, wouldn't be surprised if all India exams (UPSC, NEET, JEE Mains etc.) are part of it as these can have better penetration into the economy and can hit right chords.

My reason

Urban areas don't have schemes like MNREGA, others. Also, these schemes are spatially specific in rural areas too. Since, India's MSME sector is ~111 million (~11crore) , it would be really tough for anyone to absorb them into such schemes too. So, the vehicle of financial assistance has to be really comprehensive and more penetrating. That's why I said, such exams are a definite policy instrument.

Adding on, urban poor people would be hurt more as rurals are self reliant to varying degrees.

Our BPL line is ~1400-1500₹ monthly (for urban, correct me if wrong) from C Rangrajan committee estimates. If 3 exams are conducted and if one guy earns 500₹ (which I think is practically feasible), his monthly income to sustain is provided (atleast according to govt., which according to me is fine provided they get PDS supplies).

Markets have been opened. Let's see, if demand gets created or not. I personally think, it can't be created by itself, though I hope that's not the case. News of social frustration this week among them would be a proxy indicator.

Adding on, creating new vehicles of assistance would come at a cost, which govt. might not want to incur (Budget constraints, time investment, not many long term uses etc.). One example where it got created : UP giving 1000₹ + Raashan to migrants when they come back home ,but, such opportunities are rare, you can't make them come and go again and again. 

Anyway, Delhi Metro plan is ready too.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/after-delhi-metro-opens-you-may-be-denied-ride-without-mask-aarogya-setu-pass/amp-11587649373682.html

Rephrasing original question to, what are chances of prelims being on time? There are and it would be strategic than a popular choice. UPSC can increase one attempt for everyone for compensation of this year (though that would not be perfect but these aren't normal times). If not, it wouldn't be too late. Saying it again, views are personal but I'm open to arguments and questions which are 'n' in numbers. I'm open to questions like "this is a public health emergence, you dumbo are thinking about economy" but please ask.

Lastly, I just want to point out, if this is worse than Great Depression (like many pointing out), I feel, the measures have to be really strict and strategic. And before any of that, we, the citizens, need to internalize it for our own benefit and society as a whole. If not taken, the situation can really hurt us. Let's not file 'n' emotional petitions with same demands, only one can do. The govt. knows the situation already. Please, let panic dissipate and reality sink in. These are tough times. Let's prepare. Peace.


Carrying forward your point of centrality to economics, there’s a concept call “economic threshold”. It is used in agriculture, when the potential damage to crops due to pest is more than than the holistic cost incurred on applying pesticide, that’s when pest management is undertaken. 


I think there’ll be a time soon when economic threshold should factor in public policy (and discourse) in India vis a vis Corona management. At some point holistic cost of lockdown will exceed the holistic cost of allowing normalcy, hence sustained lockdown isn’t a prudent choice in the long run. Sustained lockdown will have bearing on growth-employment , which brings about poverty- death/suicide- chronic disease (chronicled during Great Depression and 2008 financial crisis). 


Coming to your point of economics of exams, in theory I agree with you. Your point makes sense in terms of exams adding to economy, but I am not sure if that would be the reason for deciding prelims date (just my assumption, no fact based opinion). I feel the decision of exam will be backed by :-

1. Feasibility- logistical aspects 

2. Public health concern

I agree to second para. and specifically time horizon thing.

To others: I agree many of my words ain't good (if that's the word).  It's a tough situation to be in. I try to back with facts to keep it real and not add to anxiousness of situation. Sincere apologies. Ignore me, if possible. :)

I don't know what brat means and don't want to know. 

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No notification =>no exam postponement 

Speculation =>wastage of time in day dreaming =>less revision and mock test =>more negative marking in exam =>missing cutoff by few marks.

Agar aap ko lagta hai ki ias prelims clear ho jayega then aim for clearing  IFoS cut off. 



Sheep,Electric_Girl
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Nothing is impossible with UPSC.It will try to conduct exam as early as possible but it's questionable whether 31st may is feasible.My viewpoint

1.Majority of the centres r hotspots.There may be few people who r in containment zones which means they may be in lockdown even till end of may or June.

2.A central government team has predicted around 6 Lacs cases in Mumbai.I believe UPSC won't leave Mumbai (Please don't take example of Chennai floods 2015 which came in around 8 November It was Ok within 3 weeks and still there was time left in Mains.We don't know when things will be normal in Mumbai Indore Jaipur)

3.Someone said UPSC is a constitutional body it won't listen to central govt but unfortunately it has to listen to state govt as local administration is under state's domain (7th schedule) "It won't be possible for UPSC to conduct exam without states' permission and cooperation " These r not my words but Mr Bassi ,a member of UPSC.

4.Few states including Uttar Pradesh have sealed their border till 30th June which means people like me stranded in different states have to go to centre via train which is the only route available.Ministry has said it's difficult to start all trains immediately.Moreover Railways have issued their plan about how to maintain social distance allowing only 2 people in one compartment In short it means difficulty in getting reservation.

5.The most important point--From my background in microbiology and statistics,I will say sometimes Maths and graphs shows what people tend to hide.With 1600+ cases daily,the peak hasn't reached yet.It is expected between first week of May to 2nd week(Assuming Mumbai Jaipur Indore doesn't go to Stage 3) It is difficult to start transportation at mass scale unless u r out of peak zone.The nation is already angry with the Tablighi Jamaat incident.Im sure UPSC doesn't want to be the next TJ.

Will UPSC conduct on 31st May-I don't know but there is no certainty in life We can only deal in probability.And the probability says No it won't.Prepare for pre Mains whatever u feel like. Everyone is a rational person in his her own sphere of thoughts.Lets hope good sense prevails.


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