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Guys, I am really confused about all the different courses available here for mains and need your help. I did my foundation course from Vision (online mode) in 2021-22. This was my second attempt, and I may not be able to clear prelims this year (82 and 85 in Paper1 and Paper2 respectively). So as Ayush Sir said in 5 June session, I wish to enroll for mains courses. However, there are so many courses, each with a confusing name - GSAP, MGP, MGP+, AWFG etc. I have understood what AWFG is and will surely enroll in it. However, what about MGP and GSAP? MGP has tests. GSAP has both lectures and tests. Is it necessary to join both MGP and GSAP? If I have done my foundation course once (in Vision), won't attending lectures in GSAP be a duplication of efforts? I was told on phone that if you join GSAP, there is no need to join MGP. However, Sir emphasized on joining GSAP in his 5 June interaction. Was this advise (of joining GSAP) for beginners who are just starting their preparation or also for those who might need to sit for prelims again? The info is available on the website but it is overwhelming to continuously switch b/w tabs and compare it. Can someone please help me out here? Please. I also have a small suggestion for ForumIAS faculties - the intentions behind all your courses are noble but they have become too much clumsy and cluttered. Please just make a table comparing similar courses for mains/prelims - what they would and would not cover, duration, start and end date, fee etc etc, and pin it everywhere. Currently it is like iPhone 10, iPhone 10X, iPhone 10S, iPhone 10 Max, iPhone 10Max Pro, iPhone 10 lite, iPhone 10 ultra, iPhone XR, iPhone XS. (Have never owned an iPhone kyonki main gareeb hoon so please don't mind if I named models which don't exist.
LuckyKatt,DancingMaster
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The question set will be provided before exam and we have to prepare from that question paper ? could someone pls clarify ?

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@farejul pls clarify

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@farejul Can't download the Q paper

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@farejul Can't download the Q paper


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Guys, I am really confused about all the different courses available here for mains and need your help. I did my foundation course from Vision (online mode) in 2021-22. This was my second attempt, and I may not be able to clear prelims this year (82 and 85 in Paper1 and Paper2 respectively). So as Ayush Sir said in 5 June session, I wish to enroll for mains courses. However, there are so many courses, each with a confusing name - GSAP, MGP, MGP+, AWFG etc. I have understood what AWFG is and will surely enroll in it. However, what about MGP and GSAP? MGP has tests. GSAP has both lectures and tests. Is it necessary to join both MGP and GSAP? If I have done my foundation course once (in Vision), won't attending lectures in GSAP be a duplication of efforts? I was told on phone that if you join GSAP, there is no need to join MGP. However, Sir emphasized on joining GSAP in his 5 June interaction. Was this advise (of joining GSAP) for beginners who are just starting their preparation or also for those who might need to sit for prelims again? The info is available on the website but it is overwhelming to continuously switch b/w tabs and compare it. Can someone please help me out here? Please. I also have a small suggestion for ForumIAS faculties - the intentions behind all your courses are noble but they have become too much clumsy and cluttered. Please just make a table comparing similar courses for mains/prelims - what they would and would not cover, duration, start and end date, fee etc etc, and pin it everywhere. Currently it is like iPhone 10, iPhone 10X, iPhone 10S, iPhone 10 Max, iPhone 10Max Pro, iPhone 10 lite, iPhone 10 ultra, iPhone XR, iPhone XS. (Have never owned an iPhone kyonki main gareeb hoon so please don't mind if I named models which don't exist.

Ideally GSAP is designed to add value to your already existing notes. Now idk how your notes  from vision ias are, but if you feel confident enough, that your content can fetch you excellent marks in GS, then it's better to work on your presentation skills by practicing answer writing via Awfg/ Mgp.

AB12,Vijaydaksha
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Guys, I am really confused about all the different courses available here for mains and need your help. I did my foundation course from Vision (online mode) in 2021-22. This was my second attempt, and I may not be able to clear prelims this year (82 and 85 in Paper1 and Paper2 respectively). So as Ayush Sir said in 5 June session, I wish to enroll for mains courses. However, there are so many courses, each with a confusing name - GSAP, MGP, MGP+, AWFG etc. I have understood what AWFG is and will surely enroll in it. However, what about MGP and GSAP? MGP has tests. GSAP has both lectures and tests. Is it necessary to join both MGP and GSAP? If I have done my foundation course once (in Vision), won't attending lectures in GSAP be a duplication of efforts? I was told on phone that if you join GSAP, there is no need to join MGP. However, Sir emphasized on joining GSAP in his 5 June interaction. Was this advise (of joining GSAP) for beginners who are just starting their preparation or also for those who might need to sit for prelims again? The info is available on the website but it is overwhelming to continuously switch b/w tabs and compare it. Can someone please help me out here? Please. I also have a small suggestion for ForumIAS faculties - the intentions behind all your courses are noble but they have become too much clumsy and cluttered. Please just make a table comparing similar courses for mains/prelims - what they would and would not cover, duration, start and end date, fee etc etc, and pin it everywhere. Currently it is like iPhone 10, iPhone 10X, iPhone 10S, iPhone 10 Max, iPhone 10Max Pro, iPhone 10 lite, iPhone 10 ultra, iPhone XR, iPhone XS. (Have never owned an iPhone kyonki main gareeb hoon so please don't mind if I named models which don't exist.

82 and 85. You have a pretty good chance of clearing pre this year. 80+ people are speculating for GS1. And u r clearing CSAT with a margin.



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@farejul @Neyawn Hi Sir, will it be possible to have the second entrance test for AWFG on 10th June (Saturday) so that the working professionals could accomodate the time on weekend. Thanks!!

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@DancingMaster Thank You!


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GSAP was for those people who have done 

1) no foundation but are good at prelims ( not clearing but in 10-15 marks margin

2) done weak foundation from mkn, tier 2 towns 

3) done foundation before, but did not have sincereity at that time.


It won't help those who have no background or are getting 10-20 marks in prelims or complete freshers. It is a classroom based program for Mains.


If you have just done foundation properly  from next or vision, you don't need it, you can go ahead with MGP+CA . For daily answer writing practice, awfg is very good.


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dalpha,UK01and3 otherslike this
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Awfg is for anyone EVER hoping to write Mains.

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GSAP includes MGP, so you don't need to join MGP separately.

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Guys, I am really confused about all the different courses available here for mains and need your help. I did my foundation course from Vision (online mode) in 2021-22. This was my second attempt, and I may not be able to clear prelims this year (82 and 85 in Paper1 and Paper2 respectively). So as Ayush Sir said in 5 June session, I wish to enroll for mains courses. However, there are so many courses, each with a confusing name - GSAP, MGP, MGP+, AWFG etc. I have understood what AWFG is and will surely enroll in it. However, what about MGP and GSAP? MGP has tests. GSAP has both lectures and tests. Is it necessary to join both MGP and GSAP? If I have done my foundation course once (in Vision), won't attending lectures in GSAP be a duplication of efforts? I was told on phone that if you join GSAP, there is no need to join MGP. However, Sir emphasized on joining GSAP in his 5 June interaction. Was this advise (of joining GSAP) for beginners who are just starting their preparation or also for those who might need to sit for prelims again? The info is available on the website but it is overwhelming to continuously switch b/w tabs and compare it. Can someone please help me out here? Please. I also have a small suggestion for ForumIAS faculties - the intentions behind all your courses are noble but they have become too much clumsy and cluttered. Please just make a table comparing similar courses for mains/prelims - what they would and would not cover, duration, start and end date, fee etc etc, and pin it everywhere. Currently it is like iPhone 10, iPhone 10X, iPhone 10S, iPhone 10 Max, iPhone 10Max Pro, iPhone 10 lite, iPhone 10 ultra, iPhone XR, iPhone XS. (Have never owned an iPhone kyonki main gareeb hoon so please don't mind if I named models which don't exist.

Fair enough to be confused. Summarizing for you because at one point or another, I have experienced almost all programs of Forum, except CGP.

1. CGP - Foundation - You don't need

2. SFG - Prelims tests everyday - 2 levels - for discipline and value add - not relevant at this time

3. AWFG - Static Mains revision - You kindof know what will be asked next day due to WYSK tabs in excel (What You Should Know - check AWFG excel closer to date, I don't think I am allowed to share excel from last year) - Just show up and write and trust that your static is sorted. Must be done at least once in prep, irrespective of clearing prelims or not. This is time bound - 7 questions in one hour - good to get machinery running in the morning.

4. MGP - Mains Test series - Close to actual Mains exam - includes mix of static and current - appear in a strict time bound manner as if it is an actual exam. You get "Good copies" and "Mentor discussion" - use them as much as you can to compare with peers. Use synopsis to add value to your Vision Foundation Notes - as they may have told you to keep margins in notes - fill those margins :)

5. MGP+ - same as above with Essay - valuable upgrade

6. MGP++ - same as 4 with concept classes on topics usually ignored - since you have taken a good foundation - can avoid as upgrade cost is high

7. MGP++ with Essay - 6 with essay

8. EGP - Essay Guidance Program - pretty good - includes sessions and discussions on Essay tests - take if you are under confident in essay otherwise MGP+ also should do with some mentor sessions

9. Ethics module -@Neyawn sir takes this usually - anything I say will be coating gold with bronze - watch demo classes when this starts - usually 3 classes are offered- and take your call. 

10. GSAP - Mains value addition course - consider this a full time course (4 hours of classes per day) in an intense fashion where you will be taught mains topics only. More importantly it makes you think in a mains oriented framework. Includes a custom MGP plan for you. This is sort of foundation without Prelims.

11. Current Affairs with Dipin Sir - Gold standard for CA prep - Offered with GSAP as addon and separately as well. Some may say this is on the expensive side, so make the most of it.

Now personalized advice - You have done foundation and have a fair chance of clearing prelims - stick with MGP+ and CA combo - add on with Ethics and EGP if needed at all. If your optional is sorted and you have the time, AWFG is also a good way to cover GS topics - you need 3 hours to half day to cover WYSK plus 1 hour on Mon-Wed-Fri to write.

Good luck!!

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HDsaid

@farejul @Neyawn Sir, MGPs were clearly mentioned as part of GSAP in the brochure. It was nowhere mentioned that it included only HLTs. Please resolve this. Even the new batch of GSAP beginning on 9th June includes MGP.

Please allow us 48 hours time to resolve this and get back to you.

@farejul Ayush Sir has confirmed MGP is a part of GSAP and there is no need to join separately. Could you kindly look into the same.

DancingMaster,Existential Enigma
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@farejul @Neyawn I was part of GSAP. 

1. Does it include MGP FLt's? If yes then what's the schedule? 

2. Is there any concession for GSAP students who'll join AWFG?

1. I have checked your course, It didn't include MGP Full-length test. If you want to avail MGP FLT, You have to purchase it separately.

2. There is no discount for GSAP Students

I raised this doubt months back fearing the same. Hope you discuss this with your team and resolve this issue.

@DancingMaster did you get any resolution from the forum team. Even I enrolled in GSAP. So, want to know the status

DancingMaster,
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@Neyawn kindly look into the test plan for AWFG and MGP, if both starts with same gs paper it will be more convinient to synchronize the preparation. Presently Awfg is starting with gs paper 2 , while mgp tests (flts)with gs paper 1. Thanks.

Vijaydaksha,
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@Neyawn @farejul Is AWFG time-controlled, as in we would have timer of 7 minutes on the screen, and have to necessarily switch question once the 7 min window shuts?

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@farejul @Neyawn I was part of GSAP. 

1. Does it include MGP FLt's? If yes then what's the schedule? 

2. Is there any concession for GSAP students who'll join AWFG?

1. I have checked your course, It didn't include MGP Full-length test. If you want to avail MGP FLT, You have to purchase it separately.

2. There is no discount for GSAP Students

I raised this doubt months back fearing the same. Hope you discuss this with your team and resolve this issue.

@DancingMaster did you get any resolution from the forum team. Even I enrolled in GSAP. So, want to know the status

Nothing substantial as of yet.@farejul dekh lo ek baar.

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