Mains 2021 Result declared - In or Out?

Steph_Currysaid

PhilOchssaid

Has anyone of you improved more than 100 marks in mains?

Do you know any toppers who were able to do this without skipping an attempt..?

Capedcrusader1said

@Declared_Dead which group?

Post mains group

Capedcrusader1said

when can a person expect interview call?

if across 4 gs papers marks are average and no question left. and essay is above average and 1 optional paper has become an issue due to time shortage. is there anyone who could get interview call when they least expected them to. what are the parameters to judge oneself regarding interview call.

The word average for gs papers is very subjective..

Due u regard 90 as an average score in gs.??

If so.. u would score around 360+130+250.. around 740.. a decent score in my opinion.. anyone getting around 720+ may hope for personality test call..

Duryodhansaid

Declared_Deadsaid

The forum is so quiet ...

Atleast no nonsense utterances take place here as on tele group... utterly low level texts are posted there.. I don't feel like opening tele now...

Experts may please shed some light on expected mains cut off this year.. how did you find as compared to 2019/2020 paper...

Mujhe toh 2019 nd 2021 ke gs papers similar pattern ke lage . 

How much did you score in 2019 mains...?

Capedcrusader1said

@Declared_Dead i have given forumias mocks.

in the papers from gs 1 to 3, score was 85-88 with i think leaving1 q 10 or 15 marker. gs 4 i was in top 20. marks were 98. so i have kept that as my base. i have given only 4 papers. rest i have given elsewhere. in final exam, no q was left. and i dont think ive particularly messed up ( i havent seen any solutions videos etc).by messed up i mean, demand fulfilled in all qs to best possible extent,vague questions also answered but not accurately, all questions in IBC format

Lets hope for the best..

I think you should make it to the list if optionals went decent enough...

Jesse_pinkmansaid

Declared_Deadsaid

The forum is so quiet ...

Atleast no nonsense utterances take place here as on tele group... utterly low level texts are posted there.. I don't feel like opening tele now...

Experts may please shed some light on expected mains cut off this year.. how did you find as compared to 2019/2020 paper...

Wrote last three mains and in my opinion-

GS-1= almost same level as 2019 but easier than 2020

GS-2= Easier than 2019 but tougher than 2020

GS-3= Easier than 2019 same as 2020

GS-4= Tougher than 2019 easier than 2020

I think cutoff should  be little more than 2020 if marking pattern remained same.

Please also factor in essay paper..

Based on what I could understand from the tg group yesterday.. the insiders said that in essay many are getting marks in double digits.. number of such candidates is more this year...

Also gs3 marking is a bit strict..

These may be speculations but considering the authenticity of the info they gave in the past..it seems to be true..

I think cut off should hover around as last year.. slightly on the lower side though

masteroptimistsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

The forum is so quiet ...

Atleast no nonsense utterances take place here as on tele group... utterly low level texts are posted there.. I don't feel like opening tele now...

Experts may please shed some light on expected mains cut off this year.. how did you find as compared to 2019/2020 paper...

I'm not expert but another helpless aspirant. I strongly feel the reduction in cutoff in 2020 was antithetical to level of difficulty w.r.t. 2019. In other words, 2019 papers were tougher in aggregate than 2020, but  what would have made a difference is the marking related instructions to the evaluators.

My understanding of papers is

1. essay :- difficult than 2020 ( it's not just abstract, the quality of abstraction also increased unnaturally)

2.gs 1 easier than 2020

3. gs2 easier than 2020 if we look at quality of questions and depth of demand of questions of 2020, deeper than Mariana trench ( not even joking)

4. gs3 2020 was a child's play, elite school students of 9th class would get those questions as summer assignment. 2021 was hopelessly difficult.   "exact who guidelines" in terms of hard statistics, blue led, gdp metrics, technical statistics of that air defence system,and specifics of "glasgow gamble" were "soul shattering". So no match (atleast from my perspective and from perspective of common sense)

5. gs 4 - pretty much same 13 questions were easy but that is balanced by unique demands in case studies, where course of action was usually not asked but mere analysis of options available in 5 pages posed some challenge.

6. language - language to sabka ho jata he

7. optional- apna apna dekh lo, mere psir ke to asaan aae the  is baar

overall i hate to say this, but 2021 seemed to be easier as conpared to 2020, just like 2020 was easier as compared to 2019.

but we have seen from falling cutoff from 2019 to 2020 despite falling difficulty level , that aggregate complexity of papers is not the decider. the decider is the "instructions" given to evaluators regarding marking. that is the talisman. therefore it's not much use speculating cutoff since that talisman is beyond us all.

Philip_Marlowesaid

masteroptimistsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

The forum is so quiet ...

Atleast no nonsense utterances take place here as on tele group... utterly low level texts are posted there.. I don't feel like opening tele now...

Experts may please shed some light on expected mains cut off this year.. how did you find as compared to 2019/2020 paper...

I'm not expert but another helpless aspirant. I strongly feel the reduction in cutoff in 2020 was antithetical to level of difficulty w.r.t. 2019. In other words, 2019 papers were tougher in aggregate than 2020, but  what would have made a difference is the marking related instructions to the evaluators.

My understanding of papers is

1. essay :- difficult than 2020 ( it's not just abstract, the quality of abstraction also increased unnaturally)

2.gs 1 easier than 2020

3. gs2 easier than 2020 if we look at quality of questions and depth of demand of questions of 2020, deeper than Mariana trench ( not even joking)

4. gs3 2020 was a child's play, elite school students of 9th class would get those questions as summer assignment. 2021 was hopelessly difficult.   "exact who guidelines" in terms of hard statistics, blue led, gdp metrics, technical statistics of that air defence system,and specifics of "glasgow gamble" were "soul shattering". So no match (atleast from my perspective and from perspective of common sense)

5. gs 4 - pretty much same 13 questions were easy but that is balanced by unique demands in case studies, where course of action was usually not asked but mere analysis of options available in 5 pages posed some challenge.

6. language - language to sabka ho jata he

7. optional- apna apna dekh lo, mere psir ke to asaan aae the  is baar

overall i hate to say this, but 2021 seemed to be easier as conpared to 2020, just like 2020 was easier as compared to 2019.

but we have seen from falling cutoff from 2019 to 2020 despite falling difficulty level , that aggregate complexity of papers is not the decider. the decider is the "instructions" given to evaluators regarding marking. that is the talisman. therefore it's not much use speculating cutoff since that talisman is beyond us all.

Speculating cut off of a subjective paper is meaningless, as you will have to speculate on the marking pattern as well, unlike an objective exam like prelims. So it becomes speculation on speculation😅

Bro.. the cut off prediction is done assuming marking will be done as last year...

If any paper is checked strictly or marked liberally.. then cut off may rise or fall in the same proportion.. as all aspirants almost gain/lose similar marks...

Capedcrusader1said

@masteroptimist no problem. can u or anyone render you thoughts on doubt? firstly how many days do we have between this year prelim and mains i.e 2022 cycle and two, is it wise to join mains test series at this moment itself vs going for value addition in optional, making GS mains notes ( ihave almost none, rely on 365etc) and stasrting prelim prep as well because prelim is a weak point for me and taking the mains mocks scene to post prelims stage. 

A humble suggestion from my phone..

Follow daily editorial analysis of any good channel daily and make notes from that..

It is immensely helpful in gs 2 n 3

I followed analysis of 1 year... Will share the marks and u can then judge the benefits...

masteroptimistsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

Philip_Marlowesaid

masteroptimistsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

The forum is so quiet ...

Atleast no nonsense utterances take place here as on tele group... utterly low level texts are posted there.. I don't feel like opening tele now...

Experts may please shed some light on expected mains cut off this year.. how did you find as compared to 2019/2020 paper...

I'm not expert but another helpless aspirant. I strongly feel the reduction in cutoff in 2020 was antithetical to level of difficulty w.r.t. 2019. In other words, 2019 papers were tougher in aggregate than 2020, but  what would have made a difference is the marking related instructions to the evaluators.

My understanding of papers is

1. essay :- difficult than 2020 ( it's not just abstract, the quality of abstraction also increased unnaturally)

2.gs 1 easier than 2020

3. gs2 easier than 2020 if we look at quality of questions and depth of demand of questions of 2020, deeper than Mariana trench ( not even joking)

4. gs3 2020 was a child's play, elite school students of 9th class would get those questions as summer assignment. 2021 was hopelessly difficult.   "exact who guidelines" in terms of hard statistics, blue led, gdp metrics, technical statistics of that air defence system,and specifics of "glasgow gamble" were "soul shattering". So no match (atleast from my perspective and from perspective of common sense)

5. gs 4 - pretty much same 13 questions were easy but that is balanced by unique demands in case studies, where course of action was usually not asked but mere analysis of options available in 5 pages posed some challenge.

6. language - language to sabka ho jata he

7. optional- apna apna dekh lo, mere psir ke to asaan aae the  is baar

overall i hate to say this, but 2021 seemed to be easier as conpared to 2020, just like 2020 was easier as compared to 2019.

but we have seen from falling cutoff from 2019 to 2020 despite falling difficulty level , that aggregate complexity of papers is not the decider. the decider is the "instructions" given to evaluators regarding marking. that is the talisman. therefore it's not much use speculating cutoff since that talisman is beyond us all.

Speculating cut off of a subjective paper is meaningless, as you will have to speculate on the marking pattern as well, unlike an objective exam like prelims. So it becomes speculation on speculation😅

Bro.. the cut off prediction is done assuming marking will be done as last year...

If any paper is checked strictly or marked liberally.. then cut off may rise or fall in the same proportion.. as all aspirants almost gain/lose similar marks...

Since you are experienced, I'd like to ask something. If marking is done liberally like in ethics 2019, would attempting all questions not put the aspirant at greater advantage in such situations than attempting one or two less but rest ones with precision and depth.

Liberal marking helps those candidates who have better command on the subject...

Eg. 2019 ethics.. toppers scored 150-160

Those who went unprepared scored around 100-110

This creates huge difference..

If marking is tough...

Low score is around 70...

Good score around 100... So overall it matters which subject is inflated and how strong u r in the subject..

If your subject is weak and checking is strict then it favours u and vice versa...

Capedcrusader1said

@Declared_Dead right so, ill start any editorial analysis from today itself for mains 2022. should i also make notes out of it. btw i dont make newspaper notes. i just read it

Yes.. please make notes of it..

The data collected from the editorials is interesting..

I prepared notes of relevant points and revised them twice before mains..

Separate sheets for data and vital reports..

Try to incorporate them in the answers wherever possible..

I have used around 50+ statistics figures in all the answers combined..

Also keep your eyes open for whatever is important and can be used in the answers.. never believe that you can remember just in a single reading without making any notes...I made this mistake earlier.. write it down and keep revising.. I even typed in whatsapp message if I could not write at that particular moment..

Sometimes luck also helps.. like in the hindi/English compulsory paper there was a passage on food productivity decline due to land degradation..

And I used the statistics given there in my geography optional paper.. question was precisely same.. food productivity decline and food security issues due to land degradation

leftfaithinmyselfsaid

@Declared_Dead which analysis will you suggest?

If you are English medium candidate then go through byjus daily the Hindu analysis...

It's remarkable..

I am not suggesting to join any byjus course.. daily editorial analysis and daily current affairs quiz is enough..

They are doing it since last 2-3 years.. I wish I had followed it earlier.. may be the score would have improved a lot.. but it is better late than never..

PS.. now they have started daily editorial analysis for hindi medium students as well ..

Capedcrusader1said

IN the GS 2 and GS 3papers, there are questions which have gone back to 5-6 years. now these questions are either conceptual or simply current affairs. My doubt is how do i go about changing studies and be able to handle these questions should a situation like this arise again. These were the questions that im talking about and they have a reasonable share of marks (if someone aims to do all 20 questions):

- GS3: GDP series , S400 , blue LED, Global AQGs

-GS2: 14th FC 

now though i had fair knowledge of GDP series, i could not attempt it as well as i had expected for a simple reason, im aligned with magazines of past year only. same for s 400, i dont know why s400 suddenly became important. likewise for 14FC too. 

Such questions are asked every year by upsc...

You cannot prepare fully for such questions..

So smart strategy will be to follow last one year current affairs thoroughly and not to worry about such questions .. u need to apply your common sense there to frame an average answer.. that would suffice I guess..

Same logic applies for pre.. if mitakshara type questions come.. all u can do is smart guess or skip.. but u can't and should not waste time trying to study the topics which are not covered by regular magazines/newspapers..

Akkkusaid

@Capedcrusader1 I want to ask guys here does everyone filled all pages in these questions too ? 

Not everyone.. but I know few friends who have filled the pages.. not exactly relevant but average content.. somewhat related

IamShaktimaansaid

Itne attempt ho gaye hain ki 7 min mein answer likhu na likhu, par form bhar deta itne time mein.

masteroptimistsaid

@Declared_Dead  another question broda, i wrote 15 markers first then 10 markers so obviously 10 marker answers were not so charming and attractive, do you think a thing like first impression exists in evaluation?

I too have written 15 markers first..

Infact I have written question no. 20 to 1...

I believe each question is evaluated on merit..so don't worry..

And I have interacted with many veterans.. majority of them attempt 15 markers first.. so don't u worry dear friend..

masteroptimistsaid

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Capedcrusader1said

@masteroptimist i feel that in 3hours, there is no time to think. pick up pen and start writing. now if i know a question well, the relevant points usually start blinking in my mind which are incorporated in answer. In other questions, im hard wired to write intro body conclusion. By the time intro is done, some points usually enter my point. That will make answer average (i think). But in any case, all questions are to be answered. 

don't go with extreme statement pal. people have cleared this exam and scored first rank despite leaving few questions. people have failed to enter interview despite answering all. your extreme statement may misguide other fresh aspirants so be careful with choice of words. your last sentence is extreme.

I agree with you but there is a catch..

Attempting all questions is usually recommended.. because by writing around 100 words on a question u have vague idea is better than not writing it at all..

I won't recommend to fill whole 2/3 pages on such questions but something can certainly be written..

Let's take example of 14 th Finance commission question..

One can write what is finance commission.. art 280

Appointed by the President..

Tenure..2015-20

And regarding the core of the question..

Did it improve the finances of the state..

One can write generic points.. like..

Alloted more funds to the needy states..

Cross subsidization.. transfer of resources from richer to the poorer states .

As strong states make strong India so finance commission serves as balancing wheel of the fiscal federalism has played key role in that aspect..

Point I m making is... All these points are in lakshmikant which we revise upteen number of times..

Even such generic answer can fetch u 3-4 marks which is worth the effort..

Same number of additional words in other questions which you know better.. won't lead to rise in marks to the same extent..

May be 1-2 marks if same time is given to add additional points to other question..

So I feel answering all questions is always better than leaving it altogether

Capedcrusader1said

@Vishnugupta its not a sin. but if i ask someone that. given more time, would he have gone for those absolutely unknown questions, the answer would most probably be yes. people clearly had no idea of blue LED and most probably 14 FC, but would they leave it just on an ethical ground that "Oh, i dont want to be seen like im trying to fool the commission, or ill lose marks", well then ground itself is shaky. What if commision itself wants to  check whether you can answer an unknown question with basic knowledge or not. these are all my views.you may differ but amongst the top most principles that i came across in mains was., "come what may, you do not leave any question". 

I agree with your view completely dear friend..

I too believe thatcommission wants to  check whether you can answer an unknown question with basic knowledge or not.

leftfaithinmyselfsaid

In some questions I have not written conclusion, mostly 10 marker. Will that affect my marks?

Nothing to worry..

Time crunch is so much that we tend to forget key points sometimes leave alone the conclusion..

In the microfinance question.. I knew that malegam committee is related to it and I should mention it.. so I wrote in the question paper to write it in the body of the answer..

And guess what..

When I finished the paper and submitted it I saw the question paper again to realise that I missed writing it..

So what is done cannot be undone.. that's the beauty of the exam..

It's a race which u must enjoy and not feel pain due to minor shortcomings

Philip_Marlowesaid

masteroptimistsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

leftfaithinmyselfsaid

In some questions I have not written conclusion, mostly 10 marker. Will that affect my marks?

Nothing to worry..

Time crunch is so much that we tend to forget key points sometimes leave alone the conclusion..

In the microfinance question.. I knew that malegam committee is related to it and I should mention it.. so I wrote in the question paper to write it in the body of the answer..

And guess what..

When I finished the paper and submitted it I saw the question paper again to realise that I missed writing it..

So what is done cannot be undone.. that's the beauty of the exam..

It's a race which u must enjoy and not feel pain due to minor shortcomings

 now i realise how tough competition is. malegam didn't even cross my mind😂😂

Hearing of Malegam for the first time😏

You would have heard about it,had you followed the Hindu editorials...

Villanellesaid

D503said

Opposition was raising the matter of rising unemployment in the country but how can there be no employment generation when the size of the GDP, FDI, and number of unicorns have increased multiple times in the country.

Thoughts ?

A K shaped recovery would entail a recovery in capital and tech intensive industries at a faster rate which creates lesser jobs, and which drives FDI and Unicorns. So basically the pattern of growth could be highly skewed.

Plus, small business and labour intensive sectors like MSMEs were disproportionately affected by pandemic which worsened unemployment. 

Also, we’ve never really focused on labour intensive industries to absorb the surplus labour from agriculture. 

+1

Philip_Marlowesaid

zombielandsaid

Philip_Marlowesaid

Declared_Deadsaid

Philip_Marlowesaid

masteroptimistsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

leftfaithinmyselfsaid

In some questions I have not written conclusion, mostly 10 marker. Will that affect my marks?

Nothing to worry..

Time crunch is so much that we tend to forget key points sometimes leave alone the conclusion..

In the microfinance question.. I knew that malegam committee is related to it and I should mention it.. so I wrote in the question paper to write it in the body of the answer..

And guess what..

When I finished the paper and submitted it I saw the question paper again to realise that I missed writing it..

So what is done cannot be undone.. that's the beauty of the exam..

It's a race which u must enjoy and not feel pain due to minor shortcomings

 now i realise how tough competition is. malegam didn't even cross my mind😂😂

Hearing of Malegam for the first time😏

You would have heard about it,had you followed the Hindu editorials...

Ok. didn't even touch the Hindu (or any newspaper in that regard). 

I tried to make notes fron the hindu. Bt soon realized that i was giving lot of time to this exercise. I shifted back to coaching's CA. I just read news coming as notification in mobile app.

Same here. Understood it after my first prelims went kaput. Master your optional, develop your answer writing skills, prepare for prelims well; the lessons learnt so far. If you've covered prelims well, then that's enough content for mains as well. 

This idea is flawed..

Mains requires rigorous preparation..

If you feel you have enough content without going through the editorials then it is highly likely that you will fall into the vicious cycle of appearing for pre and mains every year..

Opinions may vary.. I feel editorials add a lot to the quality of the answers..

And I had been in the phase where you are now.. feeling what I had done was enough.. but it wasn't..

Rest is your choice

Philip_Marlowesaid

Declared_Deadsaid

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zombielandsaid

Philip_Marlowesaid

Declared_Deadsaid

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masteroptimistsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

leftfaithinmyselfsaid

In some questions I have not written conclusion, mostly 10 marker. Will that affect my marks?

Nothing to worry..

Time crunch is so much that we tend to forget key points sometimes leave alone the conclusion..

In the microfinance question.. I knew that malegam committee is related to it and I should mention it.. so I wrote in the question paper to write it in the body of the answer..

And guess what..

When I finished the paper and submitted it I saw the question paper again to realise that I missed writing it..

So what is done cannot be undone.. that's the beauty of the exam..

It's a race which u must enjoy and not feel pain due to minor shortcomings

 now i realise how tough competition is. malegam didn't even cross my mind😂😂

Hearing of Malegam for the first time😏

You would have heard about it,had you followed the Hindu editorials...

Ok. didn't even touch the Hindu (or any newspaper in that regard). 

I tried to make notes fron the hindu. Bt soon realized that i was giving lot of time to this exercise. I shifted back to coaching's CA. I just read news coming as notification in mobile app.

Same here. Understood it after my first prelims went kaput. Master your optional, develop your answer writing skills, prepare for prelims well; the lessons learnt so far. If you've covered prelims well, then that's enough content for mains as well. 

This idea is flawed..

Mains requires rigorous preparation..

If you feel you have enough content without going through the editorials then it is highly likely that you will fall into the vicious cycle of appearing for pre and mains every year..

Opinions may vary.. I feel editorials add a lot to the quality of the answers..

And I had been in the phase where you are now.. feeling what I had done was enough.. but it wasn't..

Rest is your choice

Well, you have to understand and decide what works for you. My previous year GS marks were better than some of the toppers I knew that year (I'm in an accounts service). So, the idea isn't flawed, the execution can be flawed. 

I agree that not everyone who gets selected goes through them.. but chances increase if one follows the editorials regularly..

Jesse_pinkmansaid

brownianMotionsaid

With due respect to so-called 'insiders', I think we should believe their words at our own risk. This just adds to speculation.

I can also make a prediction that since essays were tough, many people will be scoring low. While, one who have given 'original content' (dont know what is that) are getting rewarded with 140+ score.

I remember trusting their 'sources' at the time of prelims result. While the result came out that day itself, the date of the result was already provided by media 2~3 days back. While in the TG group, it was presented as if .....

They have no Idea. 

In few days they will say results will be out around 12-15 or something like that ' deadline is 18 march'

and when the date is close they start looking for Friday and the game starts. After this every day is result day since morning to evening  they keep you in horror by making it seem like result can be out at any moment now.

And result will come eventually because they already told you  so but they do it every night before you go to sleep and listen to ' Yahi raat antim yahi raat bhari' and next day from morning to evening you will be feeling like going potty and waste entire day.

Be prepared for this :D

With due respect..

I have observed that they have credible info regarding results..

During 2019 mains result.. they said result will be out in 10 min and it was 12.30 in the night..and indeed it came in the night and they had precise information that the results were being uploaded..

I m not a blind follower but I also cannot ignore the reality...

Akkkusaid

@Declared_Dead Exactly, such precise infos show the credibility. 🤐 One such insider who is also admin in such groups and in past has given credible info told me about seeing his answer copies. 😌😌

I m unable to decipher whether it is statement in support of insiders or mockery of them...

Jesse_pinkmansaid

Akkkusaid

@Declared_Dead Exactly, such precise infos show the credibility. 🤐 One such insider who is also admin in such groups and in past has given credible info told me about seeing his answer copies. 😌😌

Yes it's true. I know such person who personally saw his copies of CSM 16. This insider also told him the procedure how things work inside. Some interesting facts too :D

But I don't think things are still the same. 

Would you like to share the interesting facts with us?

SergioRamossaid

With the amount of absurdity regarding copy evaluation being discussed, someone should also come up and claim that the examiners roll dice and give marks accordingly. :)

Awesome observation boss

RaGasaid

In 2019, i was confident of gs 1, was hoping to get 95, instead got 65, gs 2 went pathetic was expecting 60-70 and got 65 here too. There is simply no way I still can't compare how both the papers got similar marks. 

But i have learnt one thing, that it's useless to think about marks once it's over. Sometimes feeling of elation after attempting may also be false. Better to simply focus on the task ahead and work for that, ie pre and interview prep, but we all know it's easier said than done.

What factors made u believe that you will score well in gs 1 in 2019..

How were your papers in 2020 and 2021...

I also came across a post somewhere.. the candidate was expecting 100+ .. drew 3 world maps for better presentation.. ended up getting 57 in gs 1..

RaGasaid

In 2019, i was confident of gs 1, was hoping to get 95, instead got 65, gs 2 went pathetic was expecting 60-70 and got 65 here too. There is simply no way I still can't compare how both the papers got similar marks. 

But i have learnt one thing, that it's useless to think about marks once it's over. Sometimes feeling of elation after attempting may also be false. Better to simply focus on the task ahead and work for that, ie pre and interview prep, but we all know it's easier said than done.

Steph_Currysaid

To all of you lovely people who wrote mains last month, how are you dividing time right now between

1. Interview
2. Mains content improvement
3. Prelims

Trying hard to prepare for UPPSC mains..

But not getting the same motivation as earlier..

Anyone has any tips how to get back to usual preparation mode..

I have time and study material resources.. but the inertia is proving to be a bit too much..

I feel sorry about my state of affairs

Steph_Currysaid

Declared_Deadsaid

Steph_Currysaid

To all of you lovely people who wrote mains last month, how are you dividing time right now between

1. Interview
2. Mains content improvement
3. Prelims

Trying hard to prepare for UPPSC mains..

But not getting the same motivation as earlier..

Anyone has any tips how to get back to usual preparation mode..

I have time and study material resources.. but the inertia is proving to be a bit too much..

I feel sorry about my state of affairs

When is the exam?

From 23 March to 27 March

Capedcrusader1said

@Declared_Dead my phone has fortunately died due to battery failure. its in a situation where i charge it for a whole day and it loses charge in like 2 minutes or so. i am actually enjoying the turmoil going on inside me right now. not going to have it sorted now.

I'd suggest you to give your phone to parents and ask them to enforce your accountability or just turn it off and keep it away. you will see the difference. you will have no choice but to sit back down and study, with or without focus, you will eventually study. 

motivation will thus follow from being practical

ofcourse all this is wrt distraction from phone. something i wasted time on for way beyond the limits in this prep.

And, dont rely on motivation. friendly advice.

If mobile dies.. don't you open your laptop..

Asking out of curiosity..

zombielandsaid

Declared_Deadsaid

RaGasaid

In 2019, i was confident of gs 1, was hoping to get 95, instead got 65, gs 2 went pathetic was expecting 60-70 and got 65 here too. There is simply no way I still can't compare how both the papers got similar marks. 

But i have learnt one thing, that it's useless to think about marks once it's over. Sometimes feeling of elation after attempting may also be false. Better to simply focus on the task ahead and work for that, ie pre and interview prep, but we all know it's easier said than done.

Do you mean to suggest that marking is done arbitrarily and not done on merit..

I think it is the self assessment part where we are mistaken.. maybe we tend to overestimate/ underestimate ourselves..

Pointing towards arbitrariness will make the whole mains preparation pointless

Bro, marking is objective and not arbitrary. Exceptions may exist but that is rare and not a regular affair. (I can tell this with my own experience)

Many a times students dont write the actual demand of the question. They think that they have attempted well bt end up getting poor marks. Also students haphzardly attempt last 5-6 questions n claim full attempt. In such scenarios they get disappointed with their marks.

Agreed with your points boss...

Particularly that demand of the question is not always addressed but points written is considered by the candidates to gauge quality of answers..

Also time issues at the end is equally responsible for low marks..

zombielandsaid

Admgenalanezhsaid

I constantly get dreams of the mains exam. In my dreams, the exam is yet to happen and I have not yet revised my optional paper...saari neend kharab ho jati hai🤭😀

Ye toh fir bhi acha h.. main toh sapna dekhta hoon ki main sota reh gya aur paper choot gya

Itne overlapping sapne...

Maine v kuchh aisa hi dekha..

Moreover,  I could not complete the Hindi compulsory paper.. could barely write few sentences..

Adarsh0said

@Declared_Dead from which source you are preparing for UP specific questions?

Watching YouTube videos and trying to get into rhythm.. not following any specific book.. I don't think devoting time for up specific questions is needed.. as only 1-2 up specific questions are asked..

VarshaKsaid

sjerngalsaid

If I am not wrong "The hand that rocks the cradle" was an essay topic in some previous paper as well.. I don't remember the year..

2005 

I believe the cradle topic is essentially about women empowerment..

Rest.. the upsc in its wisdom may decide otherwise..

indian1234said

@Sahilkumar  I feel you have written one of a good essay that can fetch you very good marks provided...

1. Coherence of thoughts

2. You explained your premise clearly after the introduction

3. Shown optimism and sprinkled good examples.

Because, this is not a topic as straight as Good parenting makes good world.

So, there is lot of scope of creativity and upsc wants that originality.

If we think the topic means motherhood, we feel we are deviated. 

But there is no such thing called it means motherhood only, except in English litterature and that too in the annotation of that particular poem.

So, chill.

It's symbolism of unity in diversity shown by UPSC.

You are right bro..

Next time question comes on border management then we should write about nuclear deterrence to expand the scope of creativity.. because both are related to security aspects.. we can highlight about NPT, CTBT, Iran Nuclear deal ... Cyber attack by Israel on Iranian nuclear facility, killing of Iranian nuclear scientists.. so on and so forth..

You see, one essay topic can open up multiple dimensions..They just need to be explored and presented beautifully..

Topics are given so that you can write first few paras about that.. rest you can write anything what creativity permits..

In my essay I clubbed content from all 8 essay topics to make it more appealing and look more creative.. it added to more dimensions that one can imagine..

Creativity is the key to get higher marks...

Capedcrusader1said

@Declared_Dead who got 10 mark

Room partner of Rachit Raj AIR 3 CSE 2013..

He told this while sharing his strategy during an interactive session..

Chulbulsaid

Hi. I need a suggestion. I read some people suggesting Byju's daily editorial analysis. Is it necessary to make notes from these or the monthly current affairs magazine of Byju covers the content of the video?

Make notes.. it will help you immensely

Capedcrusader1said

@Philip_Marlowe yes they have mentioned that coherence is important. the moment i put subheadings in there, this coherence is lost

Subheadings add value to the essay..

They give a good idea of what is to follow in the para..

Many toppers wrote subheadings n scored 150+..

I see nothing wrong with subheadings..

Sahilkumarsaid

is it possible to clear mains without writing a single test? 

Possible..

Around 80% candidates join test series..

But do all of them get selected..no..

The aim is answer writing practice and to improve upon your weaknesses..

If you can do that without test series.. it's ok.. many clear without test series

Capedcrusader1said

@Declared_Dead value toh nai add karta hai. content achha likha hoga. baki coherence kaise banega pata nai muje. waise maine kisi topper ko suna nai ye bolte ki subheading daalna hai. mocks me air 1 ka koi subheading nai mila muje. zaada copies nai dekha but jitne bhi toppers ka dekha h kisime bhi subheading nai hai. 

Bhai..

Maine to jitne v toppers k videos dekhe hain.. most of them recommended subheadings..

I scored 131 n 135 in 19 n 20 mains..

My content was not great..in 2020 mains essay paper..I went to exam hall after barely sleeping for 3 hours.. during second essay I struggled to concentrate due to sleepiness..

I don't say that it was only due to subheadings.. but I only mean to say that subheadings don't break coherence..

AureliusMsaid

Akkkusaid

@AureliusM Thats a great score in GS 3 given low scores in 2020 too and that too after leaving 25 marks. May be all other questions were well handled. 👍

I don't know. Frankly speaking after looking at my score I started having doubts on the wisdom of what toppers say. I didn't write point wise, relied completely on paragraph format because this is what happens when you don't know how to answer a question accurately. In most of the answers, rather than giving 5-6 points I wrote 2-3 and elaborated upon that to fill space. I didn't underline any keywords in the answer sheet. After walking out  it felt like a terrible mess. Still I got 92. This is a mystery that has baffled me for the last 5 months.

Nothing like mystry in this..

May be the examiner checked your papers after a series of even lower quality papers..so yours looked little better..

One time exception should not be taken up as norm.. competition is heavy..

People practicing variety of diagrams, case studies, statistics.. do you mean to say that it doesn't matter.. it actually does..

Sahilkumarsaid

@zombieland this time gs 1 was easier or tougher as per u? 

Paper GS1 appears to be easy..

But it is actually slightly on the tougher side..

I have geography optional but I really struggled to write the difference between impact of melting of arctic ice and Antarctic glaciers..

Measures by society to conserve values..

There were many such questions..

Opinions may vary..

KingSlayer23said

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KingSlayer23said

commendable energy you all have....still discussing the exam after over a month

Rozgar lene hetu yeh sab vartalaap karne hi padthe hain mitr😃

ya'all getting paid to discuss? 

Is this really a valid query.....

I wonder how can people post here whatever they feel like.

RaGasaid

Declared_Deadsaid

Sahilkumarsaid

@zombieland this time gs 1 was easier or tougher as per u? 

Paper GS1 appears to be easy..

But it is actually slightly on the tougher side..

I have geography optional but I really struggled to write the difference between impact of melting of arctic ice and Antarctic glaciers..

Measures by society to conserve values..

There were many such questions..

Opinions may vary..

I will be honest here, but I really didn’t recall having seen this question until I saw the paper again.

I hope as u say gs 1&4 is marked liberally

Capedcrusader1said

constitutional morality: current affairs monthly november 2019 vision ias : page 14 small box

How many revised 2019 monthly magazine for 2021 mains..

I certainly didn't...

zombielandsaid

Capedcrusader1said

easy in the sense that 

- one could write a structured answer

-understanding demand of questions wasnt tough

-society questions have no data , commitee etc. so its generally easy to write some points provided you had time

for all i know, GS2 was toughest, GS3 also tough. Gs4 one cant guage essay tough

For me gs3 was toughest. GS4 much lengthy. For the first time I took more than 90 minutes to complete case studies section.

Essay was tougher. It took around 30 minutes to brainstorm in first essay. ( never took so much time in earlier attempts.

GS1 and Gs2 were okay. I will not rate them as tough.

Anthro optional paper1 was eaiser as compared to last year. Paper 2 was tricky. Writing ten markers like anthro answer and not gs type was tricky. Although paper2 was doable but i believe getting good marks will b difficult.

U mean u completed case studies in shorter time earlier??

How short??

What were your scores in gs 4 earlier if you don't mind

Sahilkumarsaid

@D503  Covid ka impact kuch ayega ya nhi cutoff me? sb to bimar pde the

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Declared_Deadsaid

zombielandsaid

Capedcrusader1said

easy in the sense that 

- one could write a structured answer

-understanding demand of questions wasnt tough

-society questions have no data , commitee etc. so its generally easy to write some points provided you had time

for all i know, GS2 was toughest, GS3 also tough. Gs4 one cant guage essay tough

For me gs3 was toughest. GS4 much lengthy. For the first time I took more than 90 minutes to complete case studies section.

Essay was tougher. It took around 30 minutes to brainstorm in first essay. ( never took so much time in earlier attempts.

GS1 and Gs2 were okay. I will not rate them as tough.

Anthro optional paper1 was eaiser as compared to last year. Paper 2 was tricky. Writing ten markers like anthro answer and not gs type was tricky. Although paper2 was doable but i believe getting good marks will b difficult.

U mean u completed case studies in shorter time earlier??

How short??

What were your scores in gs 4 earlier if you don't mind

Earlier in 90 minutes (1.30hr) This year 105 minutes(1.45hr). Last year score was 98

Capedcrusader1said

when are results coming?

Expect just before holi

Philip_Marlowesaid

@Declared_Dead I don't believe in filling up pages just for the sake of it. There are many questions where you have so many points, but not enough time. So, better spend your time there, instead of filling up empty spaces, hoping to get an extra 0.5 marks.

Capedcrusader1said

has any youtube video or coaching predicted mains cutoff

I heard one..

They said around 725..

No logical reason provided though.. they said based on the analysis of the marks of candidates in last few years...

zombielandsaid

Somebody plz send the link of post mains telegram bakar group

Its ultra low quality bakar group..

U will get headache if you go through the discussions taking place there

zombielandsaid

Bubba_gumpsaid

@zombieland imho this time exam was slightly easier than last time. Wht do u think .

No, i dont think paper was easier than last year. Essay was much tougher. GS1 + GS3 similar to 2020. GS4 lengthier than last year.

Difficulty level of optional may vary. For anthro optional,  paper was easier but last year marking pattern was liberal. So it cannot be said that since paper was easy then people will get higher marks compared to 2020.

Essay was indeed difficult..

I found GS 1 also a bit difficult..

Optional was almost same as last year...

Capedcrusader1said

gs 2 me ye toh halat h ki points hi nai mil rahe the.

if they give marks for only relevant points then im gone case.

because i was scrambling for points in many qs

I struggled in all papers.. I think my preparation was not as good as it is needed to make it to the list

Street_lampsaid

First mains ,gave just iasbaba free mock a week before mains and few pyq on my own

In the few mocks I wrote ,I was struggling to complete 17 questions (marks were around 80) due to time constraints

But on the day of exam, I started attempting from 15 m and then 10m in GS ,in essay I just alloted 5 min for structure formation

Surprisingly I completed all questions on time and had 9-10 minutes remaining during which I added any missing terms ,underlining double underlining heading and terms like it's done in school 

I'm sure that neither quality of answers nor handwriting was relevant and legible enough

The person sitting next to me gave a weird look like how the heck  you got time to underline stuff even in Ethics😬

I know the marks cannot be predicted but I'm really afraid on finishing fast my papers although the average content and legible handwriting was there ,did anyone else experience similar surprising powers in exam hall ?

This is great..

You are the first candidate I m coming across who claimed to have completed the papers 10 minutes before the scheduled time..

You can teach us on time management..

Bubba_gumpsaid

@Declared_Dead    somewhat same condition with me too  😑

I tried to beautify my answers in the beginning..

Started with question number 20 and backwards..

Had entered exam hall will great plans..

Will sort easy questions first..

Will write key points first..

Proper introduction and conclusion

Write with subheadings

Underlining key words

..

But alas.. all plans fell flat...

Took 12 minutes for first answer..

15 for the second..

N then felt I have lost the race and the anxiety took over.. couldn't recall even obvious points.. like great depression.. treaty of Versailles for world history question..

Don't know how I will score

Dipsaid

@Akkku human rights commissions mein Khali NHRC likhna tha kya? It was a plural 's' so jabarjasti women's commission,. NCSC, NCST bhi meant to protect HR likh diya. 

Human rights commissions means..

State n NHRC.. I think

Capedcrusader1said

one doubt wrt ethics case studies:

i have not used the concepts of part A in case studies by specifically mentioning (ex: i have not written "as per utilitarian perpective iwill do this... or , by going for rights apporach to solve ethical dilemma)

reason for not doing so is that i feel that theory is tested i part A. they need solutions now and analysis.

also, i have scored fine (as per me) in case studies of mocks without writing the abovementioned

is it an issue?

I have one doubt..

Regarding question 1a and 1 b in ethics section A

(a) Identify five ethical traits on which one can plot the performance of a civil servant. Justify their inclusion in the matrix.

(b)   Identify ten essential values that are needed to be an effective public servant. Describe                 the /ways and means to prevent non-ethical behaviour in the pubic servants.

The values asked in both questions were overlapping..

Is it okay to repeat the same.. because how can the desired values change in 2 different answers..

Should we deliberately try to write different values for uniqueness or focus more on consistently of thoughts..

Capedcrusader1said

@zombieland exactly . even now if i look at the question and see this model answer or whatever mindmap this is, i cant replicate this much info in exam. not in 11 mins. 

All points cannot be written..

It's how you prioritise the points that matters..

Guesswhosheresaid

i have heard from some people that result could be due this week. Is it true? any one has any updates, i have exited all the telegram groups so im woefully unaware.

That is just to make mahaul..

I don't think results will come before 20 March..

Looks like speculation season is peaking

Bubba_gumpsaid

@zombieland problem of prioritising points is first world problem for me .

Yaha to point hi nhi milte likhne ko priority se kya kre. 😑

Agreed bro... Not easy to organize points considering the time crunch we face..

Guesswhosheresaid

i have heard from some people that result could be due this week. Is it true? any one has any updates, i have exited all the telegram groups so im woefully unaware.

D503said

Guesswhosheresaid

i have heard from some people that result could be due this week. Is it true? any one has any updates, i have exited all the telegram groups so im woefully unaware.

Result nhi aayega kabhi nhi aayega. Result ko Koko le gyi

What/who is Koko??