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@KingSlayer23 Thinking of public sector as the chief employer is a problem. Such a situation will obviously lead to a pyramid scheme and finally will result in the 1990 like situation. Only a flourishing private sector, with a government functioning as neutral regulator and facilitator will bring economic growth.

Railways are running at a heavy financial loss, one of the major reasons being inefficiency, which is inherent to public sector. Now, if we keep on employing people in public sector without any reforms or stream lining, how will ultimately the salaries and pensions of government employees be made? Govt will have to print money, simple! Which will make the whole system, the ultimate Ponzi scheme.

The main problem is lack of performance based incentives and promotions. PSUs and government companies can compete with MNCs if they incorporate the best practices of private sector. In the current scenario, most people work hard for government/psu jobs so that they never have to work again and they actually never work again.

Lower the entry barrier like private sector and make entry level employees do the bulk of work. Entry level employees should reach top level and everyone should be recruited at the lowest level. Lateral entry may be allowed but only for exceptional cases.


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RaGasaid

I don't know bout others but i have always seen a clerk in SBI or nurse in government hospital give 100% and working a bit more than working hours. Never thought they wanted to earn money without working as above mentioned post try to convey. 

Most of the psu or govt ills is because of management decisions or lack of quick decisions. The average employee is really a pawn. The places where govt decided to give autonomy many sectors worked really well, for eg ongc which was pretty profitable until 2019 when govt decided to transfer surplus capital to self which left ongc with no cash to invest, you can see where things are going now. The process of governance doesn't have integrity, as they just treat profit making psu as personal fief and impose decisions without any long term considerations.

But has privatisation worked in India? Private investment in media is a best example, what is the status of private media is for everyone to see. What about it sector?? 

There is a reason why Indians have high hopes in government sector jobs, because it has stability, despite salary being low and working condition not upto the mark. The big tragedy of our times is that none of us are skilled beyond rudimentary graduation level skills and many of us are hopelessly inflexible to learn new skills.

PS: unfortunately not the way an aspirant should be looking the problems but this is what I feel it is.

Yeah. I don't understand this thought process where government service = bad and private service = good. People unnecessarily take a dump on SBI and other Public bank employees with the now infamous SBI employees and their lunch quips as if they have committed a crime by going for lunch in their designated lunch hours. People are quick to forget how these bank employees sacrificed their personal lives and worked overtime during demonetization. There are brazen examples of how states have failed due to privatisation like in the post Soviet countries and yet everything government is bad and everything private is good. 


Another aspect is that India doesn't have a good social Security net and that is one of the reason government services are still in vogue. People have this misunderstanding that removing social Security from the government sector is a panacea which will usher in an era of stellar performances. They should on the other hand advocate for more social security on par with government services in private sector so that people have the incentive to join private sector. Who wants to spend their whole day languishing in a cut throat environment where a sword keeps hanging on their throat everytime and 1 single mistake is the difference between employment and unemployment? 

Wow you guys aren't even bureaucrats yet and still more bureaucratic than actual bureaucrats.

ONGC makes profits because it has an excellent incentive system. LIC has the best incentive system among all PSUs. SBI makes profits because is enjoys significant government patronage, has a somewhat weak but still existant incentive system and decent accountability. But still you have to give cuts to managers for loans.

PSUs that got some autonomy, used that autonomy to put in place a performance based incentives system. 

Government departments and PSUs that don't have such systems or high degree of bureaucratic control run in loss or are not performing at all. People here do the bare minimum. I know this because all members of my squad work in different government departments.

We can have a prolonged debate and someone will say socioeconomic and other big words and I'll lose. So I'm not going to prolong this.

I will however urge those with common sense to look for empirical evidences. I have given some examples and I'm sure there are more. PSUs not bureaucratic department, over there it's socioeconomic again.

Last but not least maybe 5% of people are nice everywhere and they do their jobs sincerely but the rest require incentives.

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@brownianMotion 

I'm sorry about the personal shots. I just got frustrated watching people defend a system which has failed across space and time and oppose a system which has succeeded across space and time. 

I've personally seen people do the bare minimum in their jobs. I've personally pretended to be overworked and overburdened with work. Learned this trick from other seniors. Performance based promotions and incentives, if implemented can propel our country towards prosperity as it has done for every single developed country today. It's the single most important thing needed for development. You need to put in place a system that makes sure everyone is doing their jobs well and giving it their full attention. Otherwise people will play pubg at government salary.

Socioeconomic is a great argument. You should use it twice in each paper to ensure you don't overdo it, but still make clear which side you're on.

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Akkkusaid

"For in India, Bhakti or what may be called the path of devotion or hero-worship, plays a part in its politics unequalled in magnitude by the part it plays in the politics of any other country in the world. Bhakti in religion may be a road to the salvation of the soul. But in politics, Bhakti or hero-worship is a sure road to degradation and to eventual dictatorship.”

— Dr. B. R. Ambedkar

Since you've chosen to selectively quote Ambedkar, I urge you to read this book.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/

Particularly chapter 10 where he explains the truth about the secular people. All of that remains true till date.


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The bulk of this amount of Rs. 52 crores which is spent on the Army … is contributed by the Hindu Provinces and is spent on an Army which for the most part consists of non-Hindus! How many Hindus are aware of this tragedy? How many know at whose cost this tragedy is being enacted? Today the Hindus are not responsible for it because they cannot prevent it. The question is whether they will allow this tragedy to continue.

B.R Ambedkar.

He also wanted uniform civil code, hindi to be the official language and he only trusted a hindu army will keep democracy in India.

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I get it. 

For more fruitful discussion we should abuse Hinduism, call people bhakt, post YouTube videos trashing Hinduism by some random guys, hail communism and socialism. These things are really important for mains.

But in all seriousness, these things are really important for mains because your papers will be checked by commies. You know, the people that every developed and sane country calls retards but we call intellectuals.

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Agogsaid

https://m.jagran.com/lite/bihar/bhojpur-six-people-became-assistant-professor-leaving-the-post-of-dsp-and-deputy-collector-22520958.html

You can work in PSC jobs for 25 years, be better than all of your UPSC seniors and still new upsc recruits, who also have studied the same GS, will be promoted before you. They'll get better cars, accommodation and other perks.

They'll be learning the job from you and other underlings not just during training but their entire careers and still won't learn the job. They'll trash your work for not using Bureaucratic English. They'll be sort of managing your day to day work.

Every year you'll have to do Gandhigiri to not get transferred to far flung areas. You'll be forced to do dubious things on command of higher ups. But if you're bent and have no morals this is just a great job and will make you rich.

No such thing in Assistant professor jobs. You may even get the top post one day. People tend to look for jobs where they may reach the top.

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Agogsaid

https://m.jagran.com/lite/bihar/bhojpur-six-people-became-assistant-professor-leaving-the-post-of-dsp-and-deputy-collector-22520958.html

You can work in PSC jobs for 25 years, be better than all of your UPSC seniors and still new upsc recruits, who also have studied the same GS, will be promoted before you. They'll get better cars, accommodation and other perks.

They'll be learning the job from you and other underlings not just during training but their entire careers and still won't learn the job. They'll trash your work for not using Bureaucratic English. They'll be sort of managing your day to day work.

Every year you'll have to do Gandhigiri to not get transferred to far flung areas. You'll be forced to do dubious things on command of higher ups. But if you're bent and have no morals this is just a great job and will make you rich.

No such thing in Assistant professor jobs. You may even get the top post one day. People tend to look for jobs where they may reach the top.

Asst Professor means no transfers! Set for life. Lots of free time, and if you're really interested in your subject, many opportunities for research and travel, Plus automatic "Respect" in society. They usually (should) leave it only for IAS/IPS home cadre or IFS.

Are you seriously comparing the respect a Dy SP or SDM gets to whatever an Assistant Professor gets.

Even your father's cousin's friend's son will brag about his father's friend's cousin's son is Dy SP or SDM. These people can get things done. They also lend people money because they generally have surplus cash. Assistant professors are always asking to borrow money.  Even their children don't think much of them. That's the ugly truth.

But quality of life and work environment is still a lot better in assistant professor




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Agogsaid

https://m.jagran.com/lite/bihar/bhojpur-six-people-became-assistant-professor-leaving-the-post-of-dsp-and-deputy-collector-22520958.html

You can work in PSC jobs for 25 years, be better than all of your UPSC seniors and still new upsc recruits, who also have studied the same GS, will be promoted before you. They'll get better cars, accommodation and other perks.

They'll be learning the job from you and other underlings not just during training but their entire careers and still won't learn the job. They'll trash your work for not using Bureaucratic English. They'll be sort of managing your day to day work.

Every year you'll have to do Gandhigiri to not get transferred to far flung areas. You'll be forced to do dubious things on command of higher ups. But if you're bent and have no morals this is just a great job and will make you rich.

No such thing in Assistant professor jobs. You may even get the top post one day. People tend to look for jobs where they may reach the top.

Asst Professor means no transfers! Set for life. Lots of free time, and if you're really interested in your subject, many opportunities for research and travel, Plus automatic "Respect" in society. They usually (should) leave it only for IAS/IPS home cadre or IFS.

Are you seriously comparing the respect a Dy SP or SDM gets to whatever an Assistant Professor gets.

Even your father's cousin's friend's son will brag about his father's friend's cousin's son is Dy SP or SDM. These people can get things done. They also lend people money because they generally have surplus cash. Assistant professors are always asking to borrow money.  Even their children don't think much of them. That's the ugly truth.

But quality of life and work environment is still a lot better in assistant professor




Haha bro... reality is very different. Dy Collector in Bihar seems like a very prestigious post, but when you get into the services, AIS officers will have superiority over you. I know a person who got into Ssc cgl, got one promotion, went to become Dc inBihar , came back to rejoin in centre

I know this all too well. One of my friends in group b service with loads of extra income got selected as assistant professor, he was thinking of declining it. A few bent people were also advising him to decline it. I persuaded him to take the job. I basically told him that If I was in his place I'd throw my resignation today.

He was getting 6000 grade pay I think above that any amount of extra income won't matter if you're not satisfied with your work environment and career progression.

But you do understand that Deputy collectors carry much more weight in society if not in their offices. One of my long distance cousins got SDM in UP PCS and his parents threw a grand party. The pride his parents show is just something else. He soon got an expensive car and lots of money. He got married too.

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Agogsaid

https://m.jagran.com/lite/bihar/bhojpur-six-people-became-assistant-professor-leaving-the-post-of-dsp-and-deputy-collector-22520958.html

You can work in PSC jobs for 25 years, be better than all of your UPSC seniors and still new upsc recruits, who also have studied the same GS, will be promoted before you. They'll get better cars, accommodation and other perks.

They'll be learning the job from you and other underlings not just during training but their entire careers and still won't learn the job. They'll trash your work for not using Bureaucratic English. They'll be sort of managing your day to day work.

Every year you'll have to do Gandhigiri to not get transferred to far flung areas. You'll be forced to do dubious things on command of higher ups. But if you're bent and have no morals this is just a great job and will make you rich.

No such thing in Assistant professor jobs. You may even get the top post one day. People tend to look for jobs where they may reach the top.

Asst Professor means no transfers! Set for life. Lots of free time, and if you're really interested in your subject, many opportunities for research and travel, Plus automatic "Respect" in society. They usually (should) leave it only for IAS/IPS home cadre or IFS.

Are you seriously comparing the respect a Dy SP or SDM gets to whatever an Assistant Professor gets.

Even your father's cousin's friend's son will brag about his father's friend's cousin's son is Dy SP or SDM. These people can get things done. They also lend people money because they generally have surplus cash. Assistant professors are always asking to borrow money.  Even their children don't think much of them. That's the ugly truth.

But quality of life and work environment is still a lot better in assistant professor




Haha bro... reality is very different. Dy Collector in Bihar seems like a very prestigious post, but when you get into the services, AIS officers will have superiority over you. I know a person who got into Ssc cgl, got one promotion, went to become Dc inBihar , came back to rejoin in centre

I know this all too well. One of my friends in group b service with loads of extra income got selected as assistant professor, he was thinking of declining it. A few bent people were also advising him to decline it. I persuaded him to take the job. I basically told him that If I was in his place I'd throw my resignation today.

He was getting 6000 grade pay I think above that any amount of extra income won't matter if you're not satisfied with your work environment and career progression.

But you do understand that Deputy collectors carry much more weight in society if not in their offices. One of my long distance cousins got SDM in UP PCS and his parents threw a grand party. The pride his parents show is just something else. He soon got an expensive car and lots of money. He got married too.

Seriously? You don't see anything problematic in what you wrote?


Of course I do. We as a society have reached a stage where we condemn corruption and dowry in public but still aspire for it in private. Most people around me would give up a kidney for good postings throughout their careers. That's why people treat seniors offices with more respect than temples. They don't just turn around and walk away. They take few steps backward till they reach the door, bow down then walk away.

Here's a tip, people who are loudest about corruption are the first to sell their souls. Hopefully you'll find out soon. Best of luck.

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Agogsaid

https://m.jagran.com/lite/bihar/bhojpur-six-people-became-assistant-professor-leaving-the-post-of-dsp-and-deputy-collector-22520958.html

You can work in PSC jobs for 25 years, be better than all of your UPSC seniors and still new upsc recruits, who also have studied the same GS, will be promoted before you. They'll get better cars, accommodation and other perks.

They'll be learning the job from you and other underlings not just during training but their entire careers and still won't learn the job. They'll trash your work for not using Bureaucratic English. They'll be sort of managing your day to day work.

Every year you'll have to do Gandhigiri to not get transferred to far flung areas. You'll be forced to do dubious things on command of higher ups. But if you're bent and have no morals this is just a great job and will make you rich.

No such thing in Assistant professor jobs. You may even get the top post one day. People tend to look for jobs where they may reach the top.

Asst Professor means no transfers! Set for life. Lots of free time, and if you're really interested in your subject, many opportunities for research and travel, Plus automatic "Respect" in society. They usually (should) leave it only for IAS/IPS home cadre or IFS.

Are you seriously comparing the respect a Dy SP or SDM gets to whatever an Assistant Professor gets.

Even your father's cousin's friend's son will brag about his father's friend's cousin's son is Dy SP or SDM. These people can get things done. They also lend people money because they generally have surplus cash. Assistant professors are always asking to borrow money.  Even their children don't think much of them. That's the ugly truth.

But quality of life and work environment is still a lot better in assistant professor




Haha bro... reality is very different. Dy Collector in Bihar seems like a very prestigious post, but when you get into the services, AIS officers will have superiority over you. I know a person who got into Ssc cgl, got one promotion, went to become Dc inBihar , came back to rejoin in centre

I know this all too well. One of my friends in group b service with loads of extra income got selected as assistant professor, he was thinking of declining it. A few bent people were also advising him to decline it. I persuaded him to take the job. I basically told him that If I was in his place I'd throw my resignation today.

He was getting 6000 grade pay I think above that any amount of extra income won't matter if you're not satisfied with your work environment and career progression.

But you do understand that Deputy collectors carry much more weight in society if not in their offices. One of my long distance cousins got SDM in UP PCS and his parents threw a grand party. The pride his parents show is just something else. He soon got an expensive car and lots of money. He got married too.

Seriously? You don't see anything problematic in what you wrote?


Of course I do. We as a society have reached a stage where we condemn corruption and dowry in public but still aspire for it in private. Most people around me would give up a kidney for good postings throughout their careers. That's why people treat seniors offices with more respect than temples. They don't just turn around and walk away. They take few steps backward till they reach the door, bow down then walk away.

Here's a tip, people who are loudest about corruption are the first to sell their souls. Hopefully you'll find out soon. Best of luck.

Thanks for the tip. Now I'll look out for those who are "loudest about corruption" along with those who openly celebrate corruption🙏🏽😊👍🏽

In all my years in government, I haven't had a single lucrative posting nor have I ever asked for it, also I can't do the whole bootlicking thing. I don't know how you confused me stating facts with me celebrating corruption.

It's like if I say Northeast people are called c***** by everyone or the word bihari is treated as abusive word in Northwest or fair skin is worshipped, then all of a sudden you think I'm celebrating all these. It's just plain facts, look around you.

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Agogsaid

https://m.jagran.com/lite/bihar/bhojpur-six-people-became-assistant-professor-leaving-the-post-of-dsp-and-deputy-collector-22520958.html

You can work in PSC jobs for 25 years, be better than all of your UPSC seniors and still new upsc recruits, who also have studied the same GS, will be promoted before you. They'll get better cars, accommodation and other perks.

They'll be learning the job from you and other underlings not just during training but their entire careers and still won't learn the job. They'll trash your work for not using Bureaucratic English. They'll be sort of managing your day to day work.

Every year you'll have to do Gandhigiri to not get transferred to far flung areas. You'll be forced to do dubious things on command of higher ups. But if you're bent and have no morals this is just a great job and will make you rich.

No such thing in Assistant professor jobs. You may even get the top post one day. People tend to look for jobs where they may reach the top.

Asst Professor means no transfers! Set for life. Lots of free time, and if you're really interested in your subject, many opportunities for research and travel, Plus automatic "Respect" in society. They usually (should) leave it only for IAS/IPS home cadre or IFS.

Are you seriously comparing the respect a Dy SP or SDM gets to whatever an Assistant Professor gets.

Even your father's cousin's friend's son will brag about his father's friend's cousin's son is Dy SP or SDM. These people can get things done. They also lend people money because they generally have surplus cash. Assistant professors are always asking to borrow money.  Even their children don't think much of them. That's the ugly truth.

But quality of life and work environment is still a lot better in assistant professor




Haha bro... reality is very different. Dy Collector in Bihar seems like a very prestigious post, but when you get into the services, AIS officers will have superiority over you. I know a person who got into Ssc cgl, got one promotion, went to become Dc inBihar , came back to rejoin in centre

I know this all too well. One of my friends in group b service with loads of extra income got selected as assistant professor, he was thinking of declining it. A few bent people were also advising him to decline it. I persuaded him to take the job. I basically told him that If I was in his place I'd throw my resignation today.

He was getting 6000 grade pay I think above that any amount of extra income won't matter if you're not satisfied with your work environment and career progression.

But you do understand that Deputy collectors carry much more weight in society if not in their offices. One of my long distance cousins got SDM in UP PCS and his parents threw a grand party. The pride his parents show is just something else. He soon got an expensive car and lots of money. He got married too.

Seriously? You don't see anything problematic in what you wrote?


Of course I do. We as a society have reached a stage where we condemn corruption and dowry in public but still aspire for it in private. Most people around me would give up a kidney for good postings throughout their careers. That's why people treat seniors offices with more respect than temples. They don't just turn around and walk away. They take few steps backward till they reach the door, bow down then walk away.

Here's a tip, people who are loudest about corruption are the first to sell their souls. Hopefully you'll find out soon. Best of luck.

Thanks for the tip. Now I'll look out for those who are "loudest about corruption" along with those who openly celebrate corruption🙏🏽😊👍🏽

In all my years in government, I haven't had a single lucrative posting nor have I ever asked for it, also I can't do the whole bootlicking thing. I don't know how you confused me stating facts with me celebrating corruption.

It's like if I say Northeast people are called c***** by everyone or the word bihari is treated as abusive word in Northwest or fair skin is worshipped, then all of a sudden you think I'm celebrating all these. It's just plain facts, look around you.

I'm in a govt service too, that too an Accounts service, so I may not need your tuition class about corruption.

You are free to say that someone who talks about corruption is likely to sell their soul, but when the same medicine is given back, you find it bitter. Nice👍🏽

Then you haven't seen enough of government. People who say knowledge a lot are not knowledgable at all and the people who say honesty and integrity a lot always seem to be on lucrative postings. Anyways end of discussion. Women's day functions going on here.

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Hindus are rising against "intellectual" opression. These so called intellectuals are the real terrorists. They take all the money from our temples while other religions are given all the freedom to do social work but conversion really.

10 Hindus die at the hands of Secular people and media reports say Clashes between communities leave 10 dead, 1 Aklakh dies and media and intellectuals act like old women from 80s films who just heard of some tragedy. This is what happens when you supress the voice of dissent perpetually.

54 Hindus died in Godhra nobody talked about, the voices of their loved ones were suppressed and people lashed out. 

Lakhs of Hindus were converted, murdered and driven out of Kashmir. There is no photo, videos, documents, anything remotely related to their plight.

Right now people are just voicing their dissent, they did so in UP and other 3 elections. Supress this voice and this dissent will have to take form of something desperate. 

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D503said

prshant kishor said that bjp has a 3 layer structure which cant be broken which includes nationalism and hindutva and one more

and in this leadership is simple too strong. 

bjp is a ruthless party in my opinion

cangress kya karegi ab

Pesa pesa. Isko kese bhool gye. Bjp spent around 30k crore during 2019 elections. Itna pesa kisi ke paas nhi. Kha se aata hai pesa ye isse pta karlo ki first step after coming to power was corporate tax rate cuts. Corporate benefits from wholesale privatisation and monopolies, and poor gets the illusion of welfare through monetisation of benefits which puts money in hand and which is more effective psychologically in influencing voter choice as a direct correlation can be made between benevolent Prime minister and beneficiaries, compared to mnrega, rte , mid-day meals etc

Prashant kishore has 1 formula that cannot be defeated, astroturfing.

We need new intellectuals because older ones had bhakt and socioeconomic as their Pulitzer prize winning arguments.

They deny Hindu genocide and muslim hatred towards Hinduism. They are pissed at an openly Hindu PM. They are pissed because Modi is a vegetarian and celebrates Yoga and Hindu culture.

For them a religion that tortures animals, treat women like shit,  has never coexisted with any other religion and says kill and fight over 150 times is peaceful and Hindus are terrorists.

We really do need new intellectuals because the retards also argue against performance based promotions in government services. Government is the biggest employer so it's plain common sense that its employees should be giving their full to the country but that's not happening unless their promotions are linked to performance.

There are a million problems with Indian retarded Intellectuals but it will be a long essay.

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Yeah sure women were discriminated 200 years ago and there's animal sacrifice sans any torture, clearly everything Muslims do in the name of Islam is justified now. That was a clinching argument. You've won. You're the intellectual we need.

I've lived through their bigotry and I actually pay a psychiatrist a lot of money, they'll have to live through mine.

Good way to set aside facts,  label it as bigotry.

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@Akkku which violence are you talking about? Last I checked, protest was legal in the country. Even in that case, though I support the judgement, that was a blatant overreach by the judiciary imo. Additionally, wasn’t one of the petitioners a Muslim? What role does she have in a religion and a sect that doesn’t concern her? 
Plus, the situation we’re talking about isn’t comparable. But of course this is the kind of whataboutery expected from your ilk of spineless cowards.

like the way you cement your arguments

this should be done in current scenario where suddenly a veil of victimhood has become a norm

i usually dont mince words when something is going on in the name of something else (you know what this is). i take stand, unless i am writing a upsc answer in which case a 'nuanced' stance is needed

This victimhood is continuing since ever. For this judgement also which is declared by state to bring reforms in a country against a practice which is protested almost everywhere in the world will be called Nazism and some particular religious group which forms majority in this country will be blamed.


Just like how Barkha Dutt justified genocide of minority in Kashmir by people of "peaceful" faith.

Just saw The Kashmir Files yesterday, cried and cursed secular/ peaceful faith.

I know what it feels like to wait for mob of peace to attack. The movie triggered a lot of painful memories. It's a great tragedy that Hindus are being murdered and we don't even recognize it as a genocide.

There was a committee made after Godhra "Sabarmati train" burning that said 2000 peaceful people assembled for peaceful purposes and fire was an accident. If you're a Hindu there's a constant fear that peaceful religion will kill you and nobody will care.

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On the Hizab judgement, I feel people are not differentiating between Burkha and Hizab as seen in image posted in this thread above.

Also for upsc we celebrated how Indian secularism is more inclusive then French and why is it better. In India Hindus too wear tilak and thread on hand etc. Whereas france has strict ban on any religious symbol.

Also in Sabrimala case you are preventing someone else (women) to enter, whereas in Hizab case you want to cover your head and neck. 

Further it is true that wrong has been done to Kashmiri pandits. But it should be remembered it is always powerful (in democracy, it is majority) oppressing minority. In Kashmir muslims did wrong to Hindus, but similar is case when muslims killed in Ayodhya 1992 or Sikhs in 1984 or Muslims in Godhara or Brus in Mizoram. Though Kashmiri pandits could not return to their home that is tragic but I think that is due to terrorism (foreign nation sponsored) and because they were relatively affluent community so translocated. 

In Albert Camus's words, "Democracy is not rule of majority but protection of minorities." 

I was wondering when I'll see the intellectual comment. Big words followed by random quote to justify everything peaceful people have done. Completely ignoring empirical evidences from all over the world.

I agree, it's alright for minorities to kill majority because minorities are always the ones opressed. The only problem is, Hindus were reduced to minorities themselves by pseudo intellectuals, commies/retards and the fact that Hinduism is a disunited and unorganized religion. It's not even a religion but still only Hindus are religious fanatics.

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D503said

On the Hizab judgement, I feel people are not differentiating between Burkha and Hizab as seen in image posted in this thread above.

Also for upsc we celebrated how Indian secularism is more inclusive then French and why is it better. In India Hindus too wear tilak and thread on hand etc. Whereas france has strict ban on any religious symbol.

Also in Sabrimala case you are preventing someone else (women) to enter, whereas in Hizab case you want to cover your head and neck. 

Further it is true that wrong has been done to Kashmiri pandits. But it should be remembered it is always powerful (in democracy, it is majority) oppressing minority. In Kashmir muslims did wrong to Hindus, but similar is case when muslims killed in Ayodhya 1992 or Sikhs in 1984 or Muslims in Godhara or Brus in Mizoram. Though Kashmiri pandits could not return to their home that is tragic but I think that is due to terrorism (foreign nation sponsored) and because they were relatively affluent community so translocated. 

In Albert Camus's words, "Democracy is not rule of majority but protection of minorities." 

I was wondering when I'll see the intellectual comment. Big words followed by random quote to justify everything peaceful people have done. Completely ignoring empirical evidences from all over the world.

I agree, it's alright for minorities to kill majority because minorities are always the ones opressed. The only problem is, Hindus were reduced to minorities themselves by pseudo intellectuals, commies/retards and the fact that Hinduism is a disunited and unorganized religion. It's not even a religion but still only Hindus are religious fanatics.

Bhai classification algorithm hai kya  - pseudo intellectuals, commie retard ,peaceful people. Why can't you put your point without going on a loop of self pity and self victimisation. Did you ever see anyone here Calling Hindus religious fanatics? 

Sab choddo , Chalo aaj ek thought experiment krte hai. Everything you believe in viz muslims are fanatics, violent, backward and so on is accepted. In present times even a cabdriver can be heard parroting these sentiments , thanks to the constant 24*7*365 dehumanisation wherein every tom dick feels entitled to comment on Islam, but presumably you are not a cabdriver, you are an educated modern man and being so you must go beyond a cabdriver to distinguish yourself. You must come up with solutions instead of just pointing problems. So what do the learned prospective bureacrats, including you, propose ought to be done to these 'peaceful people'. Kuch toh solution Krna pdega , because thoughts leads to words to action , 2+2=4. Pitch in your suggestions.

 

Here is my contribution to this noble endeavour - forced assimilation. It's easier and even intuitive : the logic being there's incontrovertible empirical evidence from all over the world that muslims are violent(as argued by this gentleman innumerous times) so why not give the same medicine to them( or as argued by the gentleman earlier - i was object of their bigotry, now they will have to live through mine); it would be poetic justice. Eagerly waiting for your erudite suggestions.

PS - not a big intellectual comment 😆



Didn't read the whole thing. There would be no problem in Kashmir if any religion other than the peaceful people were there. 500000 people lost everything just in Kashmir.

A boy in my neighborhood came back in very small pieces for loving a Muslim woman with bad breath.

Imagine the frustration and despair of all those people when they are told that muslims are opressed not you because you are majority.

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did anyone know about the fact that putin allegedly rigged 2016 US elections to favour Trump? he led a hacking campaign to malign hiliary clinton's image . basically he saw trump as a favourable president(many reasons for this) so that he could gain a free hand in carrying out his misadventures within russia and also syria.

trump in his meeting with putin in washington actually denied all the claims about russia's hand in election of US. putin saw his arch nemesis, president of USA being completely stupid to the core, shooting himself, all to putin's advantage.

i am stating all this to seek a reply from people who claim to say that ukraine wouldnt have happened if trump would have been the president. any arguments to counter me here?

It's rumored that Putin has a golden shower video of Trump. Trump only won because Hillary said she'd tax the rich and the rich cannot let politicians or public believe that you can commit blasphemy and still win an election.

I was watching the Trump-Hillary debate on YouTube back in 2016 and all the comments were on 5 basic themes and all in favor of Trump. The channel was cnn so at least 70% of them should have favored Hillary. Explaning all this will take a long time. Basically it's called astroturfing or fake grassroot the current strategy of prashant kishore. It involves a lot of fake news, rigged election claims, social media comments and posts creating a perception of mass support, creating groups on Facebook or quora buying likes and comments.

Putin probably wasn't responsible for Trump's election but Ukraine wouldn't have happened if Trump was in power, mainly because of the golden shower video and his wife is probably kgb.

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