I think we needed someone to really stir things up here..
First time ?
This is something@Neyawn and his team does here.
How would they bring crowd to long dead forum.
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@necromancer Then, a such larger section was anti-Indian when they started violence to stop implementation of the Sabarmila judgment.
Sabrimala and education institutions are same ?
Great defence.
PS : Sabrimala majority judgement was wrong.
This will ruffle a few feathers but this judgement and the reaction to it shows how distinctively anti-Indian a very large section of Muslims are.The court asked the petitioners to prove that hijab is an essential practice which incidentally finds no mention whatsoever in the Quran. All it asks for us to be dressed modestly. To my understanding, Hijab as a cultural artefact has gained prominence in the recent times, post the increasing dominance of the Saudi theologians.On a personal observation basis, Hijab wasn’t so prominent as recently as 10-15 years back.Yet the way Muslims are reacting to this verdict, calling it ‘apartheid’, ‘nazism’ and what not just shows how ‘Indian’ they truly are.No respect for the rules and laws of the land and that too in favour of what is largely a cultural import from a foreign nation. Since when did objects of patriarchy become a symbol of power? Only in the Muslim world I guess.I’ve always maintained that a reform against the hijab must originate from Muslim women themselves. Today I can confidently say that in order to chase the ‘persecution dopamine’, Muslim women are completely willing to subject themselves to ‘loving patriarchy’ in the name of ‘culture’.The colleges maintained a stand they’ve had since forever, wear what you want outside the gates, inside, you wear the uniform. A stand that’s been very consistent. Now with the rise of institutions like PFI, you suddenly see all these new formed ‘existential’ issues for Muslims. Surprisingly (or not), the so called educated, ‘intellectual’ elite are on the wrong side of the debate (again).I don’t consider myself an opportune feminist, my stand is clear, under no pretext must objects of patriarchy be justified. Ghungat, Purdah, Hijab and the ilk have no other justification for their existence outside of dictations by men who have traditionally held power. ‘It’s religious’, ‘it’s our faith’ has no argumentative standing.Courts and laws have broken down what were forever considered essential religious practices even before this country officially existed. Why can’t the great learned feminists and Muslim intellectuals recognise what the real problem here is? I haven’t seen one person from the famous intellectual cabal decry the creeping imposition of hijab.I’m a Hindu but I’m an Indian first, I didn’t burst crackers on Diwali because it’s not an essential practice and it harms the environment, I don’t believe in casteism because it’s not an essential practice, I couldn’t keep long hair at school because it’s not an essential practice. All this requires respect for the law of the land. On the other hand, despite court orders, loudspeakers are still growing in number- no power can get them to even lower the volume; new controversies are routinely being generated as evident from this hijab fiasco.Funnily enough, it’s now the state that’s denying these ‘bright’ girls education by not allowing them to wear the hijab in college.Absolutely baffles me how people don’t see a problem with this
So true. Anand Margis case and Tandav ! Essential religious practice.
For some community in India "their" brotherhood is above anything and other people are lowly creatures ( should I say it here ?) who deserves to be punish. Leave aside other religion. Other gender itself is consider 2nd class to serve the 1st gender.
If before partition communalism by radicals (you know what they follow) is not enough for us to learn then Kashmir files is already an eye opener for us before we see Kerala files and west bengal files soon.
Peace.
I think those who follow sanatan dharma in their personal space should keep themselves out of it.
A community itself is facing the wrath of time because of fundamentalism (lacking in socio-eco-pol) and giving priority to religion over constitution and State. Not only in India they are called out everywhere in the world. Even some country in middle East that follow that particular religion as their state religion has adopted few reforms in recent times. If they don't want to its upto them.
It is our responsibility to strengthen the sanatan values in our society and progress with modernization by including these values and not let these fundamentalist culture affect our family, society and nation-state.
@babu_bisleri Haha. All judgments need to be followed. You are not super court to decide!
Lol minority judgement is already under appeal along with the question of why women not allowed in specific section in place of worship of "that" peaceful religion.
@Akkku which violence are you talking about? Last I checked, protest was legal in the country. Even in that case, though I support the judgement, that was a blatant overreach by the judiciary imo. Additionally, wasn’t one of the petitioners a Muslim? What role does she have in a religion and a sect that doesn’t concern her?Plus, the situation we’re talking about isn’t comparable. But of course this is the kind of whataboutery expected from your ilk of spineless cowards.like the way you cement your arguments
this should be done in current scenario where suddenly a veil of victimhood has become a norm
i usually dont mince words when something is going on in the name of something else (you know what this is). i take stand, unless i am writing a upsc answer in which case a 'nuanced' stance is needed
This victimhood is continuing since ever. For this judgement also which is declared by state to bring reforms in a country against a practice which is protested almost everywhere in the world will be called Nazism and some particular religious group which forms majority in this country will be blamed.
Just like how Barkha Dutt justified genocide of minority in Kashmir by people of "peaceful" faith.
@Akkku which violence are you talking about? Last I checked, protest was legal in the country. Even in that case, though I support the judgement, that was a blatant overreach by the judiciary imo. Additionally, wasn’t one of the petitioners a Muslim? What role does she have in a religion and a sect that doesn’t concern her?Plus, the situation we’re talking about isn’t comparable. But of course this is the kind of whataboutery expected from your ilk of spineless cowards.like the way you cement your arguments
this should be done in current scenario where suddenly a veil of victimhood has become a norm
i usually dont mince words when something is going on in the name of something else (you know what this is). i take stand, unless i am writing a upsc answer in which case a 'nuanced' stance is needed
This victimhood is continuing since ever. For this judgement also which is declared by state to bring reforms in a country against a practice which is protested almost everywhere in the world will be called Nazism and some particular religious group which forms majority in this country will be blamed.
Just like how Barkha Dutt justified genocide of minority in Kashmir by people of "peaceful" faith.
Just saw The Kashmir Files yesterday, cried and cursed secular/ peaceful faith.
I know what it feels like to wait for mob of peace to attack. The movie triggered a lot of painful memories. It's a great tragedy that Hindus are being murdered and we don't even recognize it as a genocide.
There was a committee made after Godhra "Sabarmati train" burning that said 2000 peaceful people assembled for peaceful purposes and fire was an accident. If you're a Hindu there's a constant fear that peaceful religion will kill you and nobody will care.
Issue is this only, none from "peaceful" community will condemn the wrong done by their community members and will also defend to their because of loyalty toward brotherhood rather than humanity or country. Those calling it out will be issued a special order ("sar tan se juda" how peaceful this slogan is ! )
Let's see if judiciary has spine to take notice of contempt of court by some of the verified profiles on twitter who are saying they don't align with such constitution and calling judiciary as "zaalim" and much more worse and obviously bashing the majority and a political party (who are not related to this case.)
Probability of me getting contempt for this comment is more than twitter ones. :)
ek baat to sureshot hai.
hame UPSC ki tareeke pe doubt nai karna chaiye
their notice should be taken with utmost seriousness.
If they were unsure of results date, they would have said anything but last week of march.
baki sab moh maya h
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