[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021
Because of the corona virus issue? If it does not happen then worst affected will be people whose interview is stuck, around 600-700 such people I think are yet to appear for their interview.
@neyawn sir and others, what is your take?
This is the official Thread for discussion of Prelims Postponement, Please do not create new threads for the same.
@LeoMessi truth be told, this thread was never meant to be productive ! at least not since the announcement of dates. and yet here we are.
But i do agree...the nature of discussions has gone from intelligent and logical speculation to taking personal jibes and showing off writing skills and command over language. i mean who says, "discomfort in your myelin sheath" ? right ? 😆😆😆😆 Hell i needed auto correct to type the wordMyelincorrectly 😆😆
anyway...good luck with your prep. But you would never get this message coz you have already left .
OR have you ? 😈😈😈😈
I think calling out people for hypocrisy is perfectly alright and a sign of a healthy democracy. However, one must stop short of taking potshots and offering personal jibes. I think people should be able to sit down and discuss about contentious issues, but it is also necessary that such a debate should be on the basis of a certain set of accepted facts.
Here, as@Spectrum pointed out, the instances of untouchability faced by backward castes, especially the Depressed classes, has been documented over decades. It has also been demonstrably proven that social discrimination based on caste has nothing to do with your job or your income. Now, when these basic facts are ignored, it cannot possibly lead to a fruitful debate. I think the basic point@Spectrum is making is that this social discrimination is not a matter of debate. It is a fact. I mean, it's not something you agree or disagree with. Just because you dont think the number five is actually the number five, it doesn't make a difference to the actual fact situation on the ground. Five comes after four and before six. You don't have to agree with it.
I agree with my friend above who said that the debate, as it is happening on the platform, is pointless.That is because it is not constructive the way it is happening. If we can agree on the basic fact that social discrimination is not economic discrimination, but also agree that there is a need to uplift the economically downtrodden,we could always be in a position where we can debate the form in which affirmative action must be undertaken both on the basis of caste and income.I don't understand people ignoring the discussion altogether saying it is pointless. It is one of the most important issues of our time. This is a beautiful democracy if we allow it to be. Please don't shy away from difficult conversations. I think we can always find a way to make them productive.
Sir then there should be seperate thread on such discussion where people willing to debate will discuss there. Me personally don't have any problem with debating on such topics here but they should be concluded somewhere and not consume for some 5-10 pages on the thread. And if the topic is complex and require further time and debate then a separate thread should be created that is all i am trying to say. Yes people come here and refresh pages to pass time when they are bored...may be some are bored all the time but people come here to see and contribute to bakar on speculation of the dates of postponement for which the thread was initially created. Yes, other forms of debates happened on this thread like the one on neoliberalism or something...but they atleast agreed to disagree and topic was concluded amd then we moven on to bakar of speculation dates.....I am not opposed to any forms of fruitful debates i am just saying create seperate thread and invite people there. This thread should be centered around prelims postponement, petitions gor postponement, extra attempt, speculation of dates,etc. Kya pata someone insider info de de just like someone on this thread itself gave 4oct date info.
i do not mean to offend anyone. Thanks.
@LeoMessi truth be told, this thread was never meant to be productive ! at least not since the announcement of dates. and yet here we are.
But i do agree...the nature of discussions has gone from intelligent and logical speculation to taking personal jibes and showing off writing skills and command over language. i mean who says, "discomfort in your myelin sheath" ? right ? 😆😆😆😆 Hell i needed auto correct to type the wordMyelincorrectly 😆😆
anyway...good luck with your prep. But you would never get this message coz you have already left .
OR have you ? 😈😈😈😈
I think calling out people for hypocrisy is perfectly alright and a sign of a healthy democracy. However, one must stop short of taking potshots and offering personal jibes. I think people should be able to sit down and discuss about contentious issues, but it is also necessary that such a debate should be on the basis of a certain set of accepted facts.
Here, as@Spectrum pointed out, the instances of untouchability faced by backward castes, especially the Depressed classes, has been documented over decades. It has also been demonstrably proven that social discrimination based on caste has nothing to do with your job or your income. Now, when these basic facts are ignored, it cannot possibly lead to a fruitful debate. I think the basic point@Spectrum is making is that this social discrimination is not a matter of debate. It is a fact. I mean, it's not something you agree or disagree with. Just because you dont think the number five is actually the number five, it doesn't make a difference to the actual fact situation on the ground. Five comes after four and before six. You don't have to agree with it.
I agree with my friend above who said that the debate, as it is happening on the platform, is pointless.That is because it is not constructive the way it is happening. If we can agree on the basic fact that social discrimination is not economic discrimination, but also agree that there is a need to uplift the economically downtrodden,we could always be in a position where we can debate the form in which affirmative action must be undertaken both on the basis of caste and income.I don't understand people ignoring the discussion altogether saying it is pointless. It is one of the most important issues of our time. This is a beautiful democracy if we allow it to be. Please don't shy away from difficult conversations. I think we can always find a way to make them productive.
Sir then there should be seperate thread on such discussion where people willing to debate will discuss there. Me personally don't have any problem with debating on such topics here but they should be concluded somewhere and not consume for some 5-10 pages on the thread. And if the topic is complex and require further time and debate then a separate thread should be created that is all i am trying to say. Yes people come here and refresh pages to pass time when they are bored...may be some are bored all the time but people come here to see and contribute to bakar on speculation of the dates of postponement for which the thread was initially created. Yes, other forms of debates happened on this thread like the one on neoliberalism or something...but they atleast agreed to disagree and topic was concluded amd then we moven on to bakar of speculation dates.....I am not opposed to any forms of fruitful debates i am just saying create seperate thread and invite people there. This thread should be centered around prelims postponement, petitions gor postponement, extra attempt, speculation of dates,etc. Kya pata someone insider info de de just like someone on this thread itself gave 4oct date info.
i do not mean to offend anyone. Thanks.
Agreed!
Oasis,Itachi
@LeoMessi truth be told, this thread was never meant to be productive ! at least not since the announcement of dates. and yet here we are.
But i do agree...the nature of discussions has gone from intelligent and logical speculation to taking personal jibes and showing off writing skills and command over language. i mean who says, "discomfort in your myelin sheath" ? right ? 😆😆😆😆 Hell i needed auto correct to type the wordMyelincorrectly 😆😆
anyway...good luck with your prep. But you would never get this message coz you have already left .
OR have you ? 😈😈😈😈
I think calling out people for hypocrisy is perfectly alright and a sign of a healthy democracy. However, one must stop short of taking potshots and offering personal jibes. I think people should be able to sit down and discuss about contentious issues, but it is also necessary that such a debate should be on the basis of a certain set of accepted facts.
Here, as@Spectrum pointed out, the instances of untouchability faced by backward castes, especially the Depressed classes, has been documented over decades. It has also been demonstrably proven that social discrimination based on caste has nothing to do with your job or your income. Now, when these basic facts are ignored, it cannot possibly lead to a fruitful debate. I think the basic point@Spectrum is making is that this social discrimination is not a matter of debate. It is a fact. I mean, it's not something you agree or disagree with. Just because you dont think the number five is actually the number five, it doesn't make a difference to the actual fact situation on the ground. Five comes after four and before six. You don't have to agree with it.
I agree with my friend above who said that the debate, as it is happening on the platform, is pointless.That is because it is not constructive the way it is happening. If we can agree on the basic fact that social discrimination is not economic discrimination, but also agree that there is a need to uplift the economically downtrodden,we could always be in a position where we can debate the form in which affirmative action must be undertaken both on the basis of caste and income.I don't understand people ignoring the discussion altogether saying it is pointless. It is one of the most important issues of our time. This is a beautiful democracy if we allow it to be. Please don't shy away from difficult conversations. I think we can always find a way to make them productive.
Sir then there should be seperate thread on such discussion where people willing to debate will discuss there. Me personally don't have any problem with debating on such topics here but they should be concluded somewhere and not consume for some 5-10 pages on the thread. And if the topic is complex and require further time and debate then a separate thread should be created that is all i am trying to say. Yes people come here and refresh pages to pass time when they are bored...may be some are bored all the time but people come here to see and contribute to bakar on speculation of the dates of postponement for which the thread was initially created. Yes, other forms of debates happened on this thread like the one on neoliberalism or something...but they atleast agreed to disagree and topic was concluded amd then we moven on to bakar of speculation dates.....I am not opposed to any forms of fruitful debates i am just saying create seperate thread and invite people there. This thread should be centered around prelims postponement, petitions gor postponement, extra attempt, speculation of dates,etc. Kya pata someone insider info de de just like someone on this thread itself gave 4oct date info.
i do not mean to offend anyone. Thanks.
+1
Read the thread and here are my 2 cents on it:
1. The issue of reservation is a complex one as there are far too many factors/dimensions involved.
2. Social discrimination is a reality, no one in their sane mind can deny it.
3. However we have to keep in mind whether the present way of affirmative action has resolved the problems, or not?
4. Reservation has not yet prevented discrimination, it is present in the higher echelons of the society as well, maybe a bit subdued but omnipresent.
5. It is well documented that the present system has furthered the social divide in the society. It's not that these many years of its exercise has been futile. Obviously our society as a whole has progressed, but achieving a future as envisaged by Ambedkar would require behavioural sensitisation and not some top down affirmative action.
6. It's easy to talk of 'annihilation of caste' sitting in a well lit cozy surroundings. Go to your nearest village and see how people preserve their culture and how it binds the society.
7. Every society or other has an institution which people can hold on to. Not everyone is intellectually/socially perverse as we aspirants maybe. People cling onto their treasures.
8.Long story cut short, this is the time to look ahead of reservation and address the supply side issues. Addressing people as mere commodities won't do, we have to identify and rectify the root causes.
Ciao people. Don't be Marx when you can be Gandhi.
Thanos_,
Tejas14,
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