[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021
Because of the corona virus issue? If it does not happen then worst affected will be people whose interview is stuck, around 600-700 such people I think are yet to appear for their interview.
@neyawn sir and others, what is your take?
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@Weltschmerz bhai IIT and UPSC me jamin aasman ka antar hai tabhi toh itna socially acclaimed hone and cllg me 3 saal padhne ke baad bhi inhe generally 3+ attempts lag rahe.nyway ya kam seats mak xam more challenging!
Are u high.Upsc is just a recruitment body.CSe is just a general study exam where after clearing u Will became a civil Servant.with iit u can change the world,discover new things and propel the economy.Like Iit Delhi is doing with Corona test.thats the problem Most Indians are obsessed with power. That's why the competition.in Ret of world particularly Europe and us no one gives a f about govt job.govg job are not even in top 5 . TheUS govt recruit u based on ur degree and talent not some GS based exam.thats why us diplomacy is finest . Meanwhile we are still in a system developed by British to fill the bureaucracy.
Adi_das,
plmokn25688524,
How many IITians are literally changing the world?
GS serves the role of hunting the talent through a common platform on awareness basis and balanced thought process, which is utmost needed in this country where diversity is the bane and the boon at the same time.
@SA If you get time, do watch "Virus". Its a 2019 Malayalam Movie based on how the scientists and administration handled Nipah outbreak. The country needs both generalist administrators filled with empathy and specialist researchers.
Moreover, very very few among IITians choose their respective domains. Most line up for MBAs, investment banking, consultancy jobs. Hardly 5% of my IIT batchmates are actually inventing things. Rest all are managing things just like other generalists.
@PowerPuffMojo I think everyone who is a good citizen and earning honestly is serving the nation. All civil servants are doing their jobs and should not be glorified just for their tags. Regarding stature, i think you can found ample example where civil servants has resigned for private sector or research opportunities, so in the end for many of us it comes down to our own aspiration and likeness.
Also as you have compared research of IITs with other global leading institutions, why not compare our bureaucracy with the other topmost bureaucracy and see where we stand where many civil servants say that they are in there for serving the nation. I think everyone should do the work assigned to them efficiently and honestly and not demean other jobs as we all are working for our nation.
Be happy Contribute wherever u can with full vigour.We all work in a system and in collaboration.Against any challenge,we win or lose together.We People keep fighting on the basis of caste religion colour region now also add colleges to the list while the Chinese shows their aggression.Every chain is important in an ecosystem, be it civil servants or technocrats.
Another thing I would point,I am also from an old IIT and most of the professors had their PhD from top foreign universities.The problem is not that they go to foreign institutes,the problem arises when they refuse to come back.See its good that they learn innovative things from best universities and bring back to India.Thats how RnD develops.Thats how China is growing.I have also worked closely with IISc a top notch institute and most of their faculties have PhD from abroad.
My intentions r not to boast about myself but I had pretty high CGPA with research papers and was getting admission in top 10 tech colleges in the world.I refused to go because my priority was to work at grassroot level directly with common people.
And to all those who r saying that researchers go abroad for money,I would recommend u to stop criticising based on perception when u don't know the facts or have any experience.Its not about the money.The instruments quality is outdated in India.We Indians perform better research than many of our counterparts but when it's time to peer review it,other countries doubt the precision of our instruments.
I remember 6 years before, Japanese refused to give the critical technology,the rail joints configuration details of high speed rail.Our team at IISc worked day and night to get the dynamic modelling correct and eventually they got it right after which Japanese were amazed.
Their r so many stories of success in research but still we fail to provide an ecosystem in RnD and blame "IITians" that they run away.
Therefore it's advisable that we focus on solving the problems rather than just shifting blame on other people.
From the wide course to the gruelling training, when you will realise the expanse of it, you will see how well equipped all our officers are. They are recruited as highly qualify generalists but then are trained for a year and a half in the specific domain they choose. What more specialisation is needed?
To run a company you do not need to know how a building is constructed or how every machine works in the factory. An IAS officer is much like a CEO, an aggregator of ideas and taking the best decisions according to his wide awareness and experience of things.
Take for example an IRS, he can have specialist CA and other experts to give input. Due to his extensive general and specific training, he can filter out what is needed and make the best decisions. That's what an IAS does, decision making.
Those specialists are better than generalists would have crucified Steve Jobs because he was not a master programmer. Neither was a certified expert in design and technology.
Policymaking needs a wide view, that is what CSE provides.
Destiny93,
@PowerPuffMojo I think everyone who is a good citizen and earning honestly is serving the nation. All civil servants are doing their jobs and should not be glorified just for their tags. Regarding stature, i think you can found ample example where civil servants has resigned for private sector or research opportunities, so in the end for many of us it comes down to our own aspiration and likeness.
Also as you have compared research of IITs with other global leading institutions, why not compare our bureaucracy with the other topmost bureaucracy and see where we stand where many civil servants say that they are in there for serving the nation. I think everyone should do the work assigned to them efficiently and honestly and not demean other jobs as we all are working for our nation.
well said bro
mehuifs,I agree not everyone in IIT does great but so is true with any other organisation.Does every CS does well.Arent many corrupt and choke the system.There will be always good and bad in every area.Doesnt ISRO fail sometimes?
Neither is CS exam a test of intelligence but society gives them prestige.Its society.Power n money r valued by many hungry.
And also I don't agree that just that u r an IIT gives u an edge .U have to work hard and smart.If someone says so please don't believe.Neither do I subscribe to such view nor do I recommend u .If someone says that being IIt gives edge ask them.
Regarding my personal work,I have worked in diverse fields. I have mentioned high speed railway before.Me and professors have worked with ITBP in Ladakh .U don't know how much solid waste is produced their and it's becoming difficult to supply water to them as well.When waste accumulates a lot,they invite wild animals and also birds.Too much birds interfere with operations of fighter jets.
Apart from that we worked with Guwahati district administration to manage solid n liquid waste after NGT was irked with its callous attitude.
Another one was in assessing the impact of tencel fibres which have much lower water n carbon footprint.The shirts n jeans we wear,u don't know how much water they consume in making them.
There r number of good projects everyone is working with in IITs n IISc and I will advise u to look IITs and IISc from the holistic perspective rather than looking them from just the lens of UPSC.U can do more research on what these institutions r building.Check their websites for more awareness.
sparshc4048204,Just compare the way vehicle traffic works in the USA and in India and make a connection with the complexity of nature of topmost bureaucracies and our civil services.
This prestige is a very shallow concept.
Destiny93,No 1
PowerPuffMojo,@WillbeIAS preparing for Civil Services with the viewpoint like "Neither is CS exam a test of intelligence but society gives them prestige.Its society.Power n money r valued by many hungry." is the problem where Civil Servant fails.
This prestige is a very shallow concept.It is engraved into minds of many aspirants and that's why they want to be IAS/IPS only, because other services are not as glamorous as these in the eyes of 'society'.
It's Ur choice to judge so quickly.Neither I have said that's why they prepare nor am I like that but u can't change the fact It's still the bitter truth.Its Ur choice to have an exercise in floccinaucinihilipilification. P.S Spellchecked
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