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[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021

Because of the corona virus issue? If it does not happen then worst affected will be people whose interview is stuck, around 600-700 such people I think are yet to appear for their interview.


@neyawn sir and others, what is your take?

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jack_Sparrow,curious_kidand137 otherslike this
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meanwhile.....

in UPSC Bhawan

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2019cutoff :-98 (prelims) 751 (mains) 961 (final)


And Pradip Joshi ji appointed as chairman of UPSC. Earlier he worked as chairman of Chattisgarh and MP PSC boards


I think this is highest difference betwn ifos and cse ..   18 marks

Divine Shakti,
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@Chanakya i think form this year onwards gen and ews will have same cutoff?


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@curiouscse yeah I guess so too, a little lower than general maybe. 


curiouscse,
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@sulawesi  Yesterday I asked about the trend #UPSC_Scam on twitter here. No one knew what it is. Neither I care. And now even chairman got changed. 

Saxsena got replaced. He never used to give good marks in interview. Always  average. 
:p


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@sulawesi  let's begin with raus test series 2020, full tests only. (Assuming most of us would have covered vision forum etc)Full test 1. Those who don't have it can get from freeupscmaterial.org
Test slot 3-5. full test. hope it's not against community rules✌️


Slight change of plan, raus full test are not available. We'll start with gs score, test 33(1st full test). Available of freeupscmaterials.org

Divine Shakti,
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EWS is the greatest scam in recent times. "Reservations effect merit" wale log dikh nahin rhe aaj kal....what hypocrites.
sjl_mndl1369,Mariposa27and2 otherslike this
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EWS is the greatest scam in recent times. "Reservations effect merit" wale log dikh nahin rhe aaj kal....what hypocrites.

Reservation itself is a big scam especially OBC reservations. Purely political. Anyways general cat has no option but to top in any exam ie come in top 30% since no UR seats are reserved.

Joeyisthebest,Oshoand2 otherslike this
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@vikhcu2073 isko doosri tarah se dekhe to jb gen  category (irrespective of religion) k economically weaker section ka ye haal h to SC, ST aur OBC k sections ka kya hoga kyuki waha to reservation largely hereditary type ho chuka h..... Wahi 4-5% family aur unke hi generations..... 


Tangent,
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Ews quota ko 50percent wali limit main lao..atleast 50 percent to ho generals ko fight krne k liye
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Anyone else feels the prelims cutoff is kind of low? I didn't give it in 2019 - but 100+ doable tha. Was definitely not AS difficult as 2018. IMHO.
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Ews quota ko 50percent wali limit main lao..atleast 50 percent to ho generals ko fight krne k liye

General ko koi 50% nahi tha EWS k pehle bhi they have 0 seats exclusive to them. Eventually in coming years there will be a time when majority if not all seats are taken by those who are already reserved in the 60% quota buckets since your 40%UR seats are open to all and when reserved players clear gen cutoff they have first right to UR seat. So that will be the endgame of general category and reservations. When it happens is a matter of time.

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@rnksinghal71890 Jab post-recruitment verification hoga EWS ka...my guess is that 50% will fail. Let me know if you want a EWS certificate, I'll get it for you too :P ;)  Reservations were never meant to level economic inequalities - 2019 election desperation mei kiya gaya hai yeh EWS tamasha. SC ko strike down karna chaahiye jaldi se jaldi. They have time to hear Rhea Chakraborty and take Suo-Motu contempt charges...but not these constitutional matters. God help us!


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@Agog Reservations for historically privileged upper-castes is not "progressive" bro. It is a cynical and regressive step. There is a logic (legal and philosophical) behind the concept of affirmative action - EWS makes a mockery out of that logic.

In principle I support that there should be a cap on how many generations can avail reservations. But some people argue that if you debar all "advanced" SCs/STs/OBCs from reservations, they will never be able to crawl up sufficiently once inside the service. This would then require reservations in promotions. The issue is complicated. 


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The whole reservation issue is complex, politically motivated(now a days) and debatable..... But one thing is very clear-----

1--- As a poor dalit, obc, tribal student is unable to match a upper caste rich student then he/she is equally unable to compete with a rich person of his/her community too..... 

2---Generalisation is anti equality..... Thinking all uper caste people as rich, privileged etc is wrong and considering all SC, ST's as marginalised is also wrong. 

I think, a well educated man like equality, progress of nation etc BUT how it will possible if a poor reserved class person remain poor as their own community members eating their share(many candidates got selected in reserved categories for 5/6 posts as they have such level in competitive exams..... 

Jis intention k sath reservation policy aayi thi wo fulfill honi chahiye poori..... 

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What is reservation based on ?


Is it affirmative action to uplift the poor ? : No , its then schemes and other assistance  would be enough.


Then why is reservation implemented ? Aren't lower caste people poor?


Answer: To understand reservation , we should understand caste system . Caste system is a socio - economic political system . This multi dimensional system has lead to multi dimensional deprivation in social , economic and political status of the people who are considered to be in lower hierarchy of the system. This has led to these communities to be ostracized socially , economically and politically.

The repercussions of this system has both psychological results such as caste discrimination ...etc , and physical results such as certain caste members live in bad parts of villages , most Indian village's residential setup is segregated on caste basis.



So thats y reservation was devised , to give bump to the people who were deprived of the social , economical and political aspects.


People generally compare economic status to social status or even political status to social status.

I have know an ias officer who was discriminated by his subordinates when he was posted as sdm due to he belonging to SC.

here if you see even though he has reached a good position his social status according to to the society is lower. 


Ews : Everyone vulnerable should be given a hand . but the thing is there are different levels of vulnerability and there are different causes of this vulnerability . Reservation according to indian constitution is for people who are socially , economically , educationally and politically disadvantaged due to the practice of caste system that lasted 1500-2000 years. 


All poor people should be given a helping hand so ews should be given other government aids so that they are uplifted.

 All that being said Reservation is not the best system , but the root cause is the attitudeal sickness of caste system that is in our society . Since our society is not ideal , to have justice we have a not so ideal system  called reservation which is the best we can do as of now .


peace ✌️😎

Fytto,GaryVeeand3 otherslike this
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@God yes, u r correct....... But the point is that there exists a caste hierarchy in reserved categories too..... There are certain tribes whose members gets nearly 50-60% ST seats in exam like UPSC and there are others who r still living in forests...... It is the difference..... 
Second, I don't think that many of the castes under OBC's faces discrimination.... Some are so much influential (empire in past) and have land, political power at their disposal...... 
What is required is REFORM in the system to give the due to those who still are at lowest rungs.... 


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Most of the institutes were predicting cut off to be more than 100, some even said 103-104

For eg, Clear Ias prediction 


  • General Category – 105 ±2
  • EWS – 104 ±2
  • OBC – 103 ±2
  • SC – 93 ±2
  • ST – 93 ±2

Clear ias is the stupidest site ive come across in this game of cutoff prediction,they base their cutoffs on some absurd methodology which is technically incorrect

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@Agog @rnksinghal71890  I hail from a village , im my village there is a physical residential difference between higher caste and lower caste people . The part which lower caste people reside till 1960 had no graduates , every one were so poor . Then there was a boom 3 people became teachers (thru reservation) . they came and cultivated a culture to pursue government jobs and to persue higher studies. Now in my small village from the section considered to be a lower caste there 3 group 1 officers , 2 civil service officers , every one Perseus graduation and get good enough jobs and everyone is well off atleast 50 times then what they where in 1960 . The single reason being there was Reservation , an entire section on a village was uplifted. But the sad part is still people discriminate (even though not widespread) the section of people who are considered lower caste in many nuanced ways. 

Ofcourse like i said there are scope for reforms like no reservation after 2 or 3 generation if they qualify in some creamy layer system that exists for OBC , so that all people get equal opportunity , but the provision of reservation is being misused with the EWS category. Im not denying that these people need help . But it should be through schemes , assistance...etc. Reservation is for people who are disadvantaged due to the practice of Caste system.


peace ✌️😎

Caesar,EiChanand7 otherslike this
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this is the reality we aspirants are made to wait for the sake of covid spread measures and others keep outing .this is the real scenario of mumbai. directly watch at 4.10 mnts. i just want to express that when everything is running with ease why not exams with standard SOP.

may 31st was better than oct 4th

oct 4th will be better than dec 31st

dec 31st will be better than march 2021


til mid of 2021 we wont get everyone vaccinated that too without proper vaccines


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