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[Results] Prelims 2020 Over - Gearing for 2021

Because of the corona virus issue? If it does not happen then worst affected will be people whose interview is stuck, around 600-700 such people I think are yet to appear for their interview.


@neyawn sir and others, what is your take?

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jack_Sparrow,curious_kidand137 otherslike this
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@God discrimination is still there amoung lower castes....... How to deal with them????  The creamy layer concept that too with₹  4/5 lakh  income annually and not 8-9 lakh should be there for all reserved category....... 
Poor is poor and discrimination is there for upper castes poor too(generally by their brethern and less by others).... That's why 10% was given from 50% open seats...... The only so called sufferer here are GENERAL MALE CANDIDATES..... as there is reservation for women, divyang, dependent of freedom fighter etc........ 


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Leaving this here. :P

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Godsaid

What is reservation based on ?


Is it affirmative action to uplift the poor ? : No , its then schemes and other assistance  would be enough.


Then why is reservation implemented ? Aren't lower caste people poor?


Answer: To understand reservation , we should understand caste system . Caste system is a socio - economic political system . This multi dimensional system has lead to multi dimensional deprivation in social , economic and political status of the people who are considered to be in lower hierarchy of the system. This has led to these communities to be ostracized socially , economically and politically.

The repercussions of this system has both psychological results such as caste discrimination ...etc , and physical results such as certain caste members live in bad parts of villages , most Indian village's residential setup is segregated on caste basis.



So thats y reservation was devised , to give bump to the people who were deprived of the social , economical and political aspects.


People generally compare economic status to social status or even political status to social status.

I have know an ias officer who was discriminated by his subordinates when he was posted as sdm due to he belonging to SC.

here if you see even though he has reached a good position his social status according to to the society is lower. 


Ews : Everyone vulnerable should be given a hand . but the thing is there are different levels of vulnerability and there are different causes of this vulnerability . Reservation according to indian constitution is for people who are socially , economically , educationally and politically disadvantaged due to the practice of caste system that lasted 1500-2000 years. 


All poor people should be given a helping hand so ews should be given other government aids so that they are uplifted.

 All that being said Reservation is not the best system , but the root cause is the attitudeal sickness of caste system that is in our society . Since our society is not ideal , to have justice we have a not so ideal system  called reservation which is the best we can do as of now .


peace ✌️😎

 is it fare to put son of a ST/SC IAS officer and son of a st/sc mgnrega worker to same level of competition ?? Only selected groups are getting the benefit with in the community itself...


   Now if u r open to think beyond those books which are expired is it fare to say that son of st/sc IAS officer or son of a st/sc family with 3 generation of group A officer is socially more discriminated than that of a son of a poor upper cast who is ether a small land holder or a mgnrega worker...   Will puffed rice (muri) breakfast , govt school teaching of a son of poor upper cast stand a chance against oatmeal + apple breakfast + Saint merry teaching  of son of a rich/ IAS lower cast.....

Its time to think why so many "meena " are on the selected list while u hardly find any "majhi" , :sabar"

Thanos_,
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what if tomorrow, Mukesh Ambani goes bankrupt and loses all his property. Will his son/daughter get benefit of reservation through EWS despite studying in best schools and having best facilities out there?
Emerald24,
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@rnksinghal71890 reservation for women? In upsc? Are you sure?! 


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@rnksinghal71890 Jab post-recruitment verification hoga EWS ka...my guess is that 50% will fail. Let me know if you want a EWS certificate, I'll get it for you too :P ;)  Reservations were never meant to level economic inequalities - 2019 election desperation mei kiya gaya hai yeh EWS tamasha. SC ko strike down karna chaahiye jaldi se jaldi. They have time to hear Rhea Chakraborty and take Suo-Motu contempt charges...but not these constitutional matters. God help us!


bahut se logon ne fake banaye hong hi ews certf. i dont think so itna minute level pe checking hoga ews ka selection ke baad 

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@rnksinghal71890 reservation for women? In upsc? Are you sure?! 


Women, irrespective of how wealthy they may be, are socially backward and underrepresented.  Changing that is the central purpose of reservation. 

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Although, I understand the concerns of those advocating postponement of exam ,but I think that further postponement is not a good idea .I hold this view because of some recent developments / news like the one where Dr.Swaminathan of WHO has said that mass vaccination will be possible only by mid '21 .WHO has recently said that we might never have a silver bullet in fight against CoVID and in the end social distancing ,face masks etc are the solutions .Even after vaccine we have to follow these guidelines .So, in a way this virus is going to be there may be for several more months or may be an year or so.Then ,how practical is this to just keep on postponing the exam when it seems pretty likely that things won't improve in near future.
sjl_mndl1369,
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Reservation itself has bred discrimination against reserved people in service. Imagine someone with a 400 rank getting  IAS whereas someone with rank in 90s getting IRS/IPS. You really think they'd not be bothered by it? Especially when so many of these reserved category people are not really marginalised/poor but from well to-do families? And if it doesn't stop here, see them getting promoted also over and above them? 

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@rafael My fellow consciousness . If you read my replies i always maintained that reservation is not a perfect system and needs rationalization. Concept of creamy layer can be introduced after a family enjoys reservation for 2 or 3 generations too in SC and ST... or some other reforms of rationalisation of reservation.

The point here was EWS doesn't qualify for the constitutionally mandated provision of reservation . And other strong affirmative action should be taken to uplift EWS people.

Peace ✌️😎


GaryVee,rafaeland1 otherslike this
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@Patootie There is no reservation for women in UPSC is my point. 


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as directed by chanakya, i wrote test-33 of gsscore. 63 attempted. 57 correct .. final score 110/200.

final comments:- could have done better by answering 3 or 4 more bits.

i should work on some advanced macro economics sort ( if at all they be asked), and some current affairs part in depth..


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ball to ball commentary:-

1 pulitzer don’t know 2 cvigil direct 3 doctrines direct 4 disq direct 5 day direct 6 goods direct 7 util curves elimination 8 psbloans elimination 9 cgtmse direct 10 rbi sch guess 11 digi pay direct 12 hunter don’t know 13 arya samaj strong gut feeling 14 swadeshi direct 15 karachi direct 16 settlemt direct 17 communal easiest bit ever 18 mahila sabhas heard for first time 19 quit indi direct 20 ambedkar don’t know 21 acts another easy bit 22 jute read it somewhere 23 seas wrong guess 24 boung direct 25 vembanad reverse guess from options 26 passes read somewhere but left out 27 fronts read somewhere but left out 28 rivers reverse guess from options 29 peaks I know about gurusikhar, then wrong guessed other 30 pvtg read about abujmarias and rest is option reverse working 31 NSS read about NCC-NSS at school. 32 cttees don’t know at this depth 33 sch easy 34 siva reddy read somewhere 35 plan bee read somewhere 36 rodra saw it for first time 37 sppel saw it for first time 38 art 178 easy 39 rupa easy 40 cj hc easy. Why should he exclude gov 41 spl status got confused with options 42 autonomous just this mrng discussed with a friend 43 pil bad guess about british. 44 rights another easy bit 45 jurisdiction easy 46 thrift easy 47 keynesian confused hence unattempted 48 elasticitiy easy 49 pfms confused hence unattempted 50 utkarsh easy 51 diem 25 unknown 52 nab unknown 53 philips curve fumbled due to options hence unattempted 54 IAT first time 55 capital reciept easy 56 fiscal deficit easy 57 zbb reverse guess from options 58 public instructio committee easy 59 chavang kut any kut will be of mizo. Hence easy 60 kailasa temple don’t know at this depth 61 kalidaasa easy. I heard both stories on AIR 62 IVC I thought they would have eliminated aryan debate. My bad 63 sarcenic style don’t know 64 jain god wrongly marked. I regret for this 65 bronze easy 66 mughal zamin easy 67 pari khanda don’t know 68 puppets reverse guess from options 69 samudrayaan don’t know 70 saffir simpson first time 71 palm oil read an editorial and marked correct. One of the most satisfying bits 72 mist and fog easy 73 minerals don’t know 74 IEMF first time 75 UNNaTEE confused hence unattempted 76 wipo easy 77 GRIHA read on pib 78 chakrashila I knew that its in assam,but nothing further 79 terms the term rhizo means root. That made the answer easy 80 crocodile don’t know much 81 ecological succession easy and eliminatio based 82 replan couldn’t recall much 83 pygmy hog don’t know at this depth 84 carbon credits confused hence unattempted 85 ramsar easy and eliminatio based 86 bioleaching read somewhere but left out 87 forest rights the paper setter is lenient to give such easy options 88 solar mission don’t know 89 hygo easy 90 oic worked from first option and great 91 osaka don’t know 92 ecosoc read in shankars 93 sacep don’t know 94 launchpad don’t know 95 prithvi 2 confused hence unattempted 96 cac read somewhere and attempted. Luckily its correct 97 exercises my banker cousin made me "rat maro" these 98 DPC a bit confused, but should have attempted this 99 RISAT 2B easy 100 folds don’t know much


overall:- I don’t think saraswati samman, pulitzer are asked in upsc some options are given in a very easy way some questions have flavors of previous papers. could have answered three or four bits score 110/200

Chanakya,Chaotic_homo
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@Joeyisthebest not in upsc but majority of states have women reservation now.....in future 

It will be at central level too..... 

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@God constitutionally reservation was not supposed to last forever at all. 


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Reservation itself has bred discrimination against reserved people in service. Imagine someone with a 400 rank getting  IAS whereas someone with rank in 90s getting IRS/IPS. You really think they'd not be bothered by it? Especially when so many of these reserved category people are not really marginalised/poor but from well to-do families? And if it doesn't stop here, see them getting promoted also over and above them? 

Yes. So we must do away with reservation and continue monopolisation by forward castes as was the case before. "Reserved category people", it seems. 

Emerald24,
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bahut se logon ne fake banaye hong hi ews certf. i dont think so itna minute level pe checking hoga ews ka selection ke baad 

Well ye toh nahi pata but post recruitment the cross checking process is a confidential one. It is done via the DM with the help of police machinery. A certain amount of risk is involved. Why take risk. Itni mehnat se aaoge and raddh kar denge selection...kya faayda?

They are well aware of the fact about faking for original certificates.

Raillife,
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@rafael I believe the most shameless guy on planet are those SC/ST/OBC people whose parents are top bureaucrats nd rich influential people of the society yet seek reservation..It's gross injustice to the deserving ones among those communities...tina-mina-diga of such people should not be given any respect at all..Bhai aap apne hi community ke logo ke sath nainsafi kaise kr skte ho??


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I finished 100 tests today ...   biggest concern is now revising them all   :grin:

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@rafael I believe the most shameless guy on planet are those SC/ST/OBC people whose parents are top bureaucrats nd rich influential people of the society yet seek reservation..It's gross injustice to the deserving ones among those communities...tina-mina-diga of such people should not be given any respect at all..Bhai aap apne hi community ke logo ke sath nainsafi kaise kr skte ho??


If you think Caste goes away because you hold an influential position, you should also know that our President was denied entry at a temple only recently. I don't understand why people think untouchability goes away with wealth. 

Emerald24,
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@Patootie Definitely not. 

1. There are generations of officers from one family taking benefit of reservation. If they are not stopped, the benefits of reservation will never reach the ones who truly need them. This clearly needs to stop. 
2. Once in service if you continue giving them promotions, it will never let the prejudice die. In fact the difference may become stark leading to more discrimination in office as well as outside the workplace. 


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